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Analog shift register questions & opservations

2003-11-19 by Larry Hendry

Well, I finally wired up my two ASR modules behind a single MOTM
style Stooge panel. My PCBs have been done for weeks but I have been
waiting for my new Stooge jack only brackets to mount everything up
and wire it.

My impression is that the circuit is working fine, but that I need to
make some changes. I installed 47n caps for Cx per the part list and
used the "box style" metal films per someone's Mouser parts list.

I don't seem to be getting the desired results with these. I think I
am getting some droop when the clock frequenmcy is slow-ish, which
results in a rising CV out (per description). I have VCOs attached
and can detect the voltage change with a rising frequency.

So, I am wondering what parts others have used. According to the
instructions, I should be using a low leakage cap. These may not
quality. So, I am thinking I will change all my Cx out to 100n to
200n range and use polypropylene. Any experience anyone has to offer
will be appreciated.

Next, my initial observation is that a negative voltage at the input
is not going to work at all. Any others care to comment?

My next question conerns the imput impedance. Is there any specific
reason for the 22K input to TL074d? Does it not make any sense to
raise the value of the two 22Ks and apply the same percentage
increase to the 10K feedback resistor to have a higher input
impedance load on sensitive voltages like 1v/oct control? I dunno.
That's why I ask.

And, finally, I am thinking about other ways to use this module.
What if a gate signal was used at the input. Could one use the ASR
for a evenly distributed gate delay?

And, how about a method for controling phase relationship between
synched oscillators? If each outputs were patched to the sync inputs
of three slave oscillators. The sync master oscillator pulse would
go to the ASR input, and the frequency applied at the ASR clock in
could cause the oscillators to sync at varying degrees of phase
shift.
I'm off to try this. :)

Anyhow, I'd love to hear from other ASR users about their experience
with these issues and anything else they would care to discuss about
this interesting circuit.

Larry Hendry


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Re: Analog shift register questions & opservations

2003-11-19 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

>So, I am wondering what parts others have used. According to the
>instructions, I should be using a low leakage cap. These may not
>quality. So, I am thinking I will change all my Cx out to 100n to
>200n range and use polypropylene. Any experience anyone has to offer
>will be appreciated.

Also perhaps changing op-amps will help. Find an op-amp with higher input
impedence than the one used.


>Next, my initial observation is that a negative voltage at the input
>is not going to work at all. Any others care to comment?

It will work. Sure, the analog switch is operation in the positive area
only, but that is what those funny op-amp buffers are their for - they
recuce the range of the input switng, and center it around 7.5V. This also
in part contributes to the faster droop rate, as it is amplified when the
range is restored at the output.

>My next question conerns the imput impedance. Is there any specific
>reason for the 22K input to TL074d? Does it not make any sense to
>raise the value of the two 22Ks and apply the same percentage
>increase to the 10K feedback resistor to have a higher input
>impedance load on sensitive voltages like 1v/oct control? I dunno.
>That's why I ask.

Increase the resistors if you like, but keep the ratios exactly the same for
the above reason.

Ken
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Re: Analog shift register questions & opservations

2003-11-19 by Larry Hendry

Thanks for the response Ken. I may swap out one op amp before I do
anything else to see how I like that.

I was surprised to see your response sinc I had not seem my own post
come through yet.

Best,
Larry H


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--- sasami@... wrote:
>
> >So, I am wondering what parts others have used. According to the
> >instructions, I should be using a low leakage cap. These may not
> >quality. So, I am thinking I will change all my Cx out to 100n to
> >200n range and use polypropylene. Any experience anyone has to
> offer
> >will be appreciated.
>
> Also perhaps changing op-amps will help. Find an op-amp with higher
> input
> impedence than the one used.
>
>
> >Next, my initial observation is that a negative voltage at the
> input
> >is not going to work at all. Any others care to comment?
>
> It will work. Sure, the analog switch is operation in the positive
> area
> only, but that is what those funny op-amp buffers are their for -
> they
> recuce the range of the input switng, and center it around 7.5V.
> This also
> in part contributes to the faster droop rate, as it is amplified
> when the
> range is restored at the output.
>
> >My next question conerns the imput impedance. Is there any
> specific
> >reason for the 22K input to TL074d? Does it not make any sense to
> >raise the value of the two 22Ks and apply the same percentage
> >increase to the 10K feedback resistor to have a higher input
> >impedance load on sensitive voltages like 1v/oct control? I dunno.
>
> >That's why I ask.
>
> Increase the resistors if you like, but keep the ratios exactly the
> same for
> the above reason.
>
> Ken
>
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Re: Analog shift register questions & opservations

2003-11-19 by Larry Hendry

--- Larry Hendry <hendrysr@...> wrote:
> I am thinking about other ways to use this module. What if a gate
> signal was used at the input. Could one use the ASR for a evenly
> distributed gate delay?

I just tried this. Works pretty well. Ran a gate into the ASR IN.
Used the 3 outs as delayed gates. I just gated VCAs to check it out.
However, This could be a cool way to delay the start of EGs. I use
a slow ocs square wave into the clock to control the delay.

Interesting. If the gate shut down early in the ASR cycle, all gates
ended together. But, if the gate was still active at the end of the
pick up cycle, the drop out of the gates followed the pick up and
gate length was retained.

I think this ASR is going to find its way into all kinds of crazy
patches. :)

OTOH, my idea for oscillator sync did not work at all. :-)
Larry



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Re: Analog shift register questions & opservations

2003-11-27 by Fernando

Hi,

I was thinking in switching a couple capacitors in and out for each
of the three shift reg. channels. I'm interested on fast rates for
textural results and slow rates for more perceptible delay results...

I thought that putting a .047 on the board and switching in another
.047 and a .1, I can get .047, .094, .147 and .194 with two switches
per S&H. Would this work?

Fernando
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> > I am thinking about other ways to use this module. What if a gate
> > signal was used at the input. Could one use the ASR for a evenly
> > distributed gate delay?
>
> I just tried this. Works pretty well. Ran a gate into the ASR IN.
> Used the 3 outs as delayed gates. I just gated VCAs to check it
out.
> However, This could be a cool way to delay the start of EGs. I
use
> a slow ocs square wave into the clock to control the delay.
>
> Interesting. If the gate shut down early in the ASR cycle, all
gates
> ended together. But, if the gate was still active at the end of
the
> pick up cycle, the drop out of the gates followed the pick up and
> gate length was retained.
>
> I think this ASR is going to find its way into all kinds of crazy
> patches. :)
>
> OTOH, my idea for oscillator sync did not work at all. :-)
> Larry
>
>
>
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Re: Analog shift register questions & opservations

2003-11-28 by sasami@hotkey.net.au

>I thought that putting a .047 on the board and switching in another
>.047 and a .1, I can get .047, .094, .147 and .194 with two switches
>per S&H. Would this work?

I don't see any reason why it should not work, other than perhaps stray
leakage caused by long wires etc. Use shielded wires, with the shields
connected to the output of the buffer op-amps to create "guard wires".

Ken
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