Antonio,
Your response is a little ambiguous and confusing in
part due to the fact that you fail to neglect to say what Windows operating
system you are referring to. Windows XP had a color management sub-system
but it was embedded in the print manager for the most part and did not have a
separate color management panel in the Control Panel that the user could
access or which furnished anything like sophisticated controls over color
profiles and color management by the operating system. Around about the
time of Vista's introduction, Microsoft introduced as a separate
downloadable upgrade a version of the color management panel and module that was
to be included in Vista which could be installed in Windows XP. Vista
included a new version of Microsoft's color management system and engine along
with its own Control Panel Item within the Vista Control Panel. This
also what was included in Win 7. ;
Your comments are probably more appropriate for
Windows Vista and Win 7 systems (and possibly those Windows XP systems in which
the color module and control panel was downloaded and installed) than for
the unmodified Windows XP systems. I am not referring here to the
possibility of associating generic standard or custom device specific ICC color
profiles with a particular printer, which can be done via the print manager in
Windows XP and earlier versions of Windows since Windows 98, and making a
specific printer profile the default profile for a printer by listing it first
in the list of associated profiles, but to the ability to introduce new generic
and custom profiles into the mix for a variety of devices (printers and
monitors) and to control more or less the profiles associated with
devices other than printers as well as those associated with printers with
greater ease and flexibility. However, even with the new Microsoft Windows
color management panel and system, you cannot pick and choose different
color profiles for a device (printer or monitor) to be the default one for
different given purposes (regular working space viewing or soft
proofing) or different papers/ink combinations when printing
from within an application - be it a color managed program or a non-color
managed program; instead, the user must go back into the color management panel
in the Windows Control Panel and make the color profile change manually each
time a change is called for.
In addition, the new color management panel and process
in Windows does not permit the user to tag or embed color profiles with the
image file so that they will travel with that file should the user want to view
it or print it on a different system, monitor, and/or printer. In short
the operating systems' color management process to does not furnish
portability as many color managed image editing applications do. Thus
color management in this respect is limited.
Nevertheless, as I believe CD Tobie noted in his bridge
analogy, for operating system based color management to work with color managed
and non-color managed programs, you need for the initial original image file to
have a color profile tagged to it which describes its color space and color
values as defined within that gamut so that the profiled monitor and profiled
printer have something to translate into their particular color spaces with
their specific color gamuts. Many initial original image files do not come
with such a tag and typically either are assigned one in color managed image
editing programs or are assumed to have some arbitrary working space color
profile in non-color managed image viewing and editing programs. This
makes for valid and reliable and repeatable color management haphazard and
uncertain when used with applications that do not support color
management.
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 4:19 PM
Subject: Re: [datacolor_group] Print from Any Software with Right
ICC
To use a profile in any non-color managed application, you should rely on
Windows color management. The problem is that Windows CM does only work if you
set an specific option on drivers' settings. There's usually an option on those
Canon/Epson driver settings called ICM. To be your profile valid for non-managed
applications, you should print targets using ICM on, and no profile (custom nor
Canon/Epson-made) selected on Windows color management panel for the
printer. There, you should select "use my own settings", "manual" and remove any
profile that remains on the list. After you print the targets and build the
profile(s), you can finally fill that Windows CM panel with the recently made
one(s). Everytime you print using a non-CM application, you should be sure the
proper profile is selected as default one. You can also select the rendering
intent using the same Windows CM panel.
Alternatively, maybe it would be possible to replace the default profiles
with your own generated profiles, with the same filename and header of those
original ones, so they would be selected and applied automatically. I had never
tried this, though.
2010/7/25 kandisyy
<kandisyy@yahoo.com>
Hello everybody!
Im new in this Group. My name is Chris and im from
Germany.
I start with my question.
I created a Profile for a Epson P50.
I want to use this Profile in every Application, like Word, Main Picture
Program, etc.
But i only get the real Profile if I use the Spyder3Print
Software. (I think PS with a Profile choose could make it too).
If I Print
a pic from Windows Picture Wizard, it looks like Garbage.
I tried
nearly everything, but it wont work.
Any Ideas?