Datacolor User to User Support Group.

Antonio,

Your response is a little ambiguous and confusing in part due to the fact that you fail to neglect to say what Windows operating system you are referring to. Windows XP had a color management sub-system but it was embedded in the print manager for the most part and did not have a separate color management panel in the Control Panel that the user could access or which furnished anything like sophisticated controls over color profiles and color management by the operating system. Around about the time of Vista's introduction, Microsoft introduced as a separate downloadable upgrade a version of the color management panel and module that was to be included in Vista which could be installed in Windows XP. Vista included a new version of Microsoft's color management system and engine along with its own Control Panel Item within the Vista Control Panel. This also what was included in Win 7.

Your comments are probably more appropriate for Windows Vista and Win 7 systems (and possibly those Windows XP systems in which the color module and control panel was downloaded and installed) than for the unmodified Windows XP systems. I am not referring here to the possibility of associating generic standard or custom device specific ICC color profiles with a particular printer, which can be done via the print manager in Windows XP and earlier versions of Windows since Windows 98, and making a specific printer profile the default profile for a printer by listing it first in the list of associated profiles, but to the ability to introduce new generic and custom profiles into the mix for a variety of devices (printers and monitors) and to control more or less the profiles associated with devices other than printers as well as those associated with printers with greater ease and flexibility. However, even with the new Microsoft Windows color management panel and system, you cannot pick and choose different color profiles for a device (printer or monitor) to be the default one for different given purposes (regular working space viewing or soft proofing) or different papers/ink combinations when printing from within an application - be it a color managed program or a non-color managed program; instead, the user must go back into the color management panel in the Windows Control Panel and make the color profile change manually each time a change is called for.

In addition, the new color management panel and process in Windows does not permit the user to tag or embed color profiles with the image file so that they will travel with that file should the user want to view it or print it on a different system, monitor, and/or printer. In short the operating systems' color management process to does not furnish portability as many color managed image editing applications do. Thus color management in this respect is limited.

Nevertheless, as I believe CD Tobie noted in his bridge analogy, for operating system based color management to work with color managed and non-color managed programs, you need for the initial original image file to have a color profile tagged to it which describes its color space and color values as defined within that gamut so that the profiled monitor and profiled printer have something to translate into their particular color spaces with their specific color gamuts. Many initial original image files do not come with such a tag and typically either are assigned one in color managed image editing programs or are assumed to have some arbitrary working space color profile in non-color managed image viewing and editing programs. This makes for valid and reliable and repeatable color management haphazard and uncertain when used with applications that do not support color management.

From: Antonio Bayma Jr

Sent: Monday, July 26, 2010 4:19 PM

To: datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com

Subject: Re: [datacolor_group] Print from Any Software with Right ICC

To use a profile in any non-color managed application, you should rely on Windows color management. The problem is that Windows CM does only work if you set an specific option on drivers' settings. There's usually an option on those Canon/Epson driver settings called ICM. To be your profile valid for non-managed applications, you should print targets using ICM on, and no profile (custom nor Canon/Epson-made) selected on Windows color management panel for the printer. There, you should select "use my own settings", "manual" and remove any profile that remains on the list. After you print the targets and build the profile(s), you can finally fill that Windows CM panel with the recently made one(s). Everytime you print using a non-CM application, you should be sure the proper profile is selected as default one. You can also select the rendering intent using the same Windows CM panel.

Alternatively, maybe it would be possible to replace the default profiles with your own generated profiles, with the same filename and header of those original ones, so they would be selected and applied automatically. I had never tried this, though.

2010/7/25 kandisyy <kandisyy@...>

Hello everybody!
Im new in this Group. My name is Chris and im from Germany.
I start with my question.
I created a Profile for a Epson P50.
I want to use this Profile in every Application, like Word, Main Picture Program, etc.
But i only get the real Profile if I use the Spyder3Print Software. (I think PS with a Profile choose could make it too).
If I Print a pic from Windows Picture Wizard, it looks like Garbage.

I tried nearly everything, but it wont work.

Any Ideas?