Datacolor User to User Support Group.

Hi guys,
Thanks for the advices. I did follow most of the advice. After a 
while I think I got quite dizzy from the patches and had to block 
them out with a piece of paper – which helped me also to align the 
readings. 

My suggestion for the patch print would be to put the row numbers and 
alphabets on all sides, currently its just on the left side and top. 
Once you lose focus, you can get quite disorient on where you are.

With much anticipation, I then loaded my regular prints and 
softproofed it in PS. I was quite dismayed at the softproof on dark 
blue t-shirts. Where there are folds in the t-shirt and in shadows, 
the softproof showed pitch shining black, totally devoid of details.

I proceeded to print (with all printer controls set to zero) with the 
new profile and while general colors were in the vicinity, it was too 
cyanish or bluish. Looks like I'm not going to get a spot-on match 
the first time.  No choice now but to go into repetitive rebuilding 
of  the profile with color adjustments to match what I see on the 
softproof. I plan to do this on the weekend where I can get some 
daylight next to the print.

Can someone help to explain how I can get better more accurate 
softproof? I guess I have to tinker around with the ref whie and 
black settings to see what's the differences it makes but with my 
initial try last night I couldn't see any difference when I enabled 
the paper white and monitor black in printfix pro.
Just wanted to know more about the softproof part before I spend more 
time in it.

Thank-you everyone.

Ed.

>
>With much anticipation, I then loaded my regular prints and
>softproofed it in PS. I was quite dismayed at the softproof on dark
>blue t-shirts. Where there are folds in the t-shirt and in shadows,
>the softproof showed pitch shining black, totally devoid of details.

No, that shouldn't happen.

>I proceeded to print (with all printer controls set to zero) with the
>new profile and while general colors were in the vicinity, it was too
>cyanish or bluish. Looks like I'm not going to get a spot-on match
>the first time. No choice now but to go into repetitive rebuilding
>of the profile with color adjustments to match what I see on the
>softproof. I plan to do this on the weekend where I can get some
>daylight next to the print.

Also recommended:

- Check your measurements. Go back to the Read Patches screen, switch
to the bottom half, select your measurement file, View/Measure to open
it up in the Target window again, and switch the popup in the bottom right
corner to show the measured colors. Eyeball this, alongside your target
print, and make sure that your measurements look right (if not, any "off"
measurements should stand out like a sore thumb on the 729 patch target).
Assuming you did the 3 letter-size page version, switch to all the pages
and check them all. (If any are off, you can use the cursor keys to go
back to any patches you like, and remeasure them).

- If you'd like, email me a copy of your measurement .xml file and I can
have a quick look at it, too. (Stuff, or zip, the file, and email it to
me at davem@...).


-- 
David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
ColorVision

Hi David,
Thank-you very much for the quick reply. I remember while measuring 
and looking at the screen a few squres had a very slightly different 
tone/color to the suggesed colors while some were more consisten. 
Hmmmmm......

If you say that the below should not be happening - I'll go back home 
and relook at the measured patches on the screen. 

I'm hoping it was something i have done wrong......because i was not 
looking forward to the iterative color adjustment thingy. I did that 
when i first got the printer and it sure ate up a lot of time, 
effort, paper and ink.

Ed.


--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...> 
wrote:
>
> >
> >With much anticipation, I then loaded my regular prints and
> >softproofed it in PS. I was quite dismayed at the softproof on dark
> >blue t-shirts. Where there are folds in the t-shirt and in shadows,
> >the softproof showed pitch shining black, totally devoid of 
details.
> 
> No, that shouldn't happen.
> 
> >I proceeded to print (with all printer controls set to zero) with 
the
> >new profile and while general colors were in the vicinity, it was 
too
> >cyanish or bluish. Looks like I'm not going to get a spot-on match
> >the first time. No choice now but to go into repetitive rebuilding
> >of the profile with color adjustments to match what I see on the
> >softproof. I plan to do this on the weekend where I can get some
> >daylight next to the print.
> 
> Also recommended:
> 
> - Check your measurements. Go back to the Read Patches screen, 
switch
> to the bottom half, select your measurement file, View/Measure to 
open
> it up in the Target window again, and switch the popup in the 
bottom right
> corner to show the measured colors. Eyeball this, alongside your 
target
> print, and make sure that your measurements look right (if not, 
any "off"
> measurements should stand out like a sore thumb on the 729 patch 
target).
> Assuming you did the 3 letter-size page version, switch to all the 
pages
> and check them all. (If any are off, you can use the cursor keys to 
go
> back to any patches you like, and remeasure them).
> 
> - If you'd like, email me a copy of your measurement .xml file and 
I can
> have a quick look at it, too. (Stuff, or zip, the file, and email 
it to

> me at davem@...).
> 
> 
> -- 
> David Miller
> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> ColorVision
>

Hi DAvid,

Should i be comparing the measured patches to the suggested patches 
for conformity? I didn't do that. What i did do last night after the 
measurement was to bring up the printed patches and matched that to 
the measured patches on the screen - I did that to check that I had 
measured all patches correctly. i had not compared using the 
suggested patch color because earlier on during measuring I saw a few 
patches were slightly different from its suggested color.

Ed.

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...> 
wrote:
>
> >
> >With much anticipation, I then loaded my regular prints and
> >softproofed it in PS. I was quite dismayed at the softproof on dark
> >blue t-shirts. Where there are folds in the t-shirt and in shadows,
> >the softproof showed pitch shining black, totally devoid of 
details.
> 
> No, that shouldn't happen.
> 
> >I proceeded to print (with all printer controls set to zero) with 
the
> >new profile and while general colors were in the vicinity, it was 
too
> >cyanish or bluish. Looks like I'm not going to get a spot-on match
> >the first time. No choice now but to go into repetitive rebuilding
> >of the profile with color adjustments to match what I see on the
> >softproof. I plan to do this on the weekend where I can get some
> >daylight next to the print.
> 
> Also recommended:
> 
> - Check your measurements. Go back to the Read Patches screen, 
switch
> to the bottom half, select your measurement file, View/Measure to 
open
> it up in the Target window again, and switch the popup in the 
bottom right
> corner to show the measured colors. Eyeball this, alongside your 
target
> print, and make sure that your measurements look right (if not, 
any "off"
> measurements should stand out like a sore thumb on the 729 patch 
target).
> Assuming you did the 3 letter-size page version, switch to all the 
pages
> and check them all. (If any are off, you can use the cursor keys to 
go
> back to any patches you like, and remeasure them).
> 
> - If you'd like, email me a copy of your measurement .xml file and 
I can
> have a quick look at it, too. (Stuff, or zip, the file, and email 
it to

> me at davem@...).
> 
> 
> -- 
> David Miller
> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> ColorVision
>

>>Should i be comparing the measured patches to the suggested patches
for conformity?

Only in terms of toggling the number one and number three keys to help 
you see that all patches you have measured match the pattern they 
should; not the exact colors of the target patches, just the color 
pattern: eg, a gray one, then a blue one, then a yellow one. Not 
exactly which gray, blue, and yellow. In the gradient sections you can 
check the gradients against the adjacent patches, instead of toggling 
to compare them to the target colors.

>> I didn't do that. What i did do last night after the
measurement was to bring up the printed patches and matched that to
the measured patches on the screen - I did that to check that I had
measured all patches correctly.


Thats not a good test of profile quality, but can be used to check for 
patch reading errors...

>> i had not compared using the
suggested patch color because earlier on during measuring I saw a few
patches were slightly different from its suggested color.

Slightly different is fine (after all, not all printers print the same, 
so differences are inevitable), its mistakes in color pattern or 
gradient that is of concern. Just go back and reread the suspect 
patches.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision, Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

-----Original Message-----
From: ed_limmy@...
To: colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 1:17 AM
Subject: [colorvision_group] Re: Soft proofing is way out.

   Hi DAvid,

Should i be comparing the measured patches to the suggested patches
for conformity? I didn't do that. What i did do last night after the
measurement was to bring up the printed patches and matched that to
the measured patches on the screen - I did that to check that I had
measured all patches correctly. i had not compared using the
suggested patch color because earlier on during measuring I saw a few
patches were slightly different from its suggested color.

Ed.

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...>
wrote:
>
> >
> >With much anticipation, I then loaded my regular prints and
> >softproofed it in PS. I was quite dismayed at the softproof on dark
> >blue t-shirts. Where there are folds in the t-shirt and in shadows,
> >the softproof showed pitch shining black, totally devoid of
details.
>
> No, that shouldn't happen.
>
> >I proceeded to print (with all printer controls set to zero) with
the
> >new profile and while general colors were in the vicinity, it was
too
> >cyanish or bluish. Looks like I'm not going to get a spot-on match
> >the first time. No choice now but to go into repetitive rebuilding
> >of the profile with color adjustments to match what I see on the
> >softproof. I plan to do this on the weekend where I can get some
> >daylight next to the print.
>
> Also recommended:
>
> - Check your measurements. Go back to the Read Patches screen,
switch
> to the bottom half, select your measurement file, View/Measure to
open
> it up in the Target window again, and switch the popup in the
bottom right
> corner to show the measured colors. Eyeball this, alongside your
target
> print, and make sure that your measurements look right (if not,
any "off"
> measurements should stand out like a sore thumb on the 729 patch
target).
> Assuming you did the 3 letter-size page version, switch to all the
pages
> and check them all. (If any are off, you can use the cursor keys to
go
> back to any patches you like, and remeasure them).
>
> - If you'd like, email me a copy of your measurement .xml file and
I can
> have a quick look at it, too. (Stuff, or zip, the file, and email
it to
> me at davem@...).
>
>
> --
> David Miller
> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> ColorVision
>







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