Datacolor User to User Support Group.

Hi,

I need help with 2 issues that are related. PSP 1.1.1 on PC XP Pro.

Unless "average profiles" is invoked on the last page (one with the 
options to modify a profile using sliders etc.) a message appears and 
states "out of bounds and must close.  Please report and restart PSP"

When able to start the averaging process the drop downs do not contain 
the profiles I wish to average. (They are present, as they appear on 
all the other drop down lists)

Any help with this will be appreciated.  Thanks.

Paul

>Hi,
>
>I need help with 2 issues that are related. PSP 1.1.1 on PC XP Pro.
>
>Unless "average profiles" is invoked on the last page (one with the
>options to modify a profile using sliders etc.) a message appears and
>states "out of bounds and must close. Please report and restart PSP"
>
>When able to start the averaging process the drop downs do not contain
>the profiles I wish to average. (They are present, as they appear on
>all the other drop down lists)
>
>Any help with this will be appreciated. Thanks.
>
>Paul
>

I'm a little puzzled.

In PrintFIX PRO 1.1.1, or any previous version (we -are- talking about the
same software, correct? I don't know what PSP is, do you mean PFP?)...

There is no "average profiles" command or control on the page that lets
you build profiles. (The one with the sliders).

There is an Average command in its Tools menu, but that's a separate process
from profile building. That command simply lets you take two measurement
profiles and average them to create a 3rd file of averaged measurements; it
doesn't do anything with profiles themselves at all.

The Tools:Average command also assumes that you have -measurement- files
available to average. If you're running PFP in "PRO" mode, these would
be measurement files in the Data:PRO folder. If you're running PFP in
"PLUS" mode (no spectro, PLUS serial #), these would be any of the existing
measurement files in the Data:PLUS folder.

To repeat: you can't average profiles; only measurement files.

If you're running as PLUS, the Tools:Average command should show a long list
of measurement files in both of the "to-average" popups (these are all of
pre-supplied files).

If you're running as PRO, with a spectro, there aren't any measurement to
average until you've printed targets, measured, and saved some measurement
files.


Best regards,

-- 
David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
ColorVision

Hi David,
Thanks for the quick reply.  I am sorry I was incomplete and 
confusing in my post.  PSP was a typo.  I am talking about 
measurement files created with the spectro.

I have Print Fix Pro, version 1.1.1.  I have measured a particular 
paper several times with the spectro. Files; Ep2200_IGSG1440, 
Ep2200_IGSG1440b and Ep2200_IGSG1440c. These are visable in the pull 
down on the Read Patches Page under "existing"  When I try to open 
the average program (under tools) on this page (Read Patches) the PFP 
closes itself after the message I paraphrased in my original post. If 
I click on average on any other page the program does NOT close, but 
the drop down does not show all of the measured files listed 
under "existing measurements", onlyEp220_IGSG1440c and  2 other 
papers I have measured but not the b and c version of 
Ep2200_IGSG1440.  Thus the measurements of the same paper are not 
available to average.  What am I doing wrong?

Thanks,

Paul

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...> 
wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >I need help with 2 issues that are related. PSP 1.1.1 on PC XP Pro.
> >
> >Unless "average profiles" is invoked on the last page (one with the
> >options to modify a profile using sliders etc.) a message appears 
and
> >states "out of bounds and must close. Please report and restart 
PSP"
> >
> >When able to start the averaging process the drop downs do not 
contain
> >the profiles I wish to average. (They are present, as they appear 
on
> >all the other drop down lists)
> >
> >Any help with this will be appreciated. Thanks.
> >
> >Paul
> >
> 
> I'm a little puzzled.
> 
> In PrintFIX PRO 1.1.1, or any previous version (we -are- talking 
about the
> same software, correct? I don't know what PSP is, do you mean 
PFP?)...
> 
> There is no "average profiles" command or control on the page that 
lets
> you build profiles. (The one with the sliders).
> 
> There is an Average command in its Tools menu, but that's a 
separate process
> from profile building. That command simply lets you take two 
measurement
> profiles and average them to create a 3rd file of averaged 
measurements; it
> doesn't do anything with profiles themselves at all.
> 
> The Tools:Average command also assumes that you have -measurement- 
files
> available to average. If you're running PFP in "PRO" mode, these 
would
> be measurement files in the Data:PRO folder. If you're running PFP 
in
> "PLUS" mode (no spectro, PLUS serial #), these would be any of the 
existing
> measurement files in the Data:PLUS folder.
> 
> To repeat: you can't average profiles; only measurement files.
> 
> If you're running as PLUS, the Tools:Average command should show a 
long list
> of measurement files in both of the "to-average" popups (these are 
all of
> pre-supplied files).
> 
> If you're running as PRO, with a spectro, there aren't any 
measurement to
> average until you've printed targets, measured, and saved some 
measurement

> files.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> -- 
> David Miller
> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> ColorVision
>

>Hi David,
>Thanks for the quick reply. I am sorry I was incomplete and
>confusing in my post. PSP was a typo. I am talking about
>measurement files created with the spectro.
>
>I have Print Fix Pro, version 1.1.1. I have measured a particular
>paper several times with the spectro. Files; Ep2200_IGSG1440,
>Ep2200_IGSG1440b and Ep2200_IGSG1440c. These are visable in the pull
>down on the Read Patches Page under "existing" When I try to open
>the average program (under tools) on this page (Read Patches) the PFP
>closes itself after the message I paraphrased in my original post.

Ok, got it!

That would be a bug. (adding it to the (small) list of things that need
to be addressed)

Simple answer: make sure you're not on the Read Patches screen when you
use the Average command. Any other screen; not that one. (At least, until
the next version is out)

>If
>I click on average on any other page the program does NOT close,

Good (that's not a bug)

>but
>the drop down does not show all of the measured files listed
>under "existing measurements", onlyEp220_IGSG1440c and 2 other
>papers I have measured but not the b and c version of
>Ep2200_IGSG1440. Thus the measurements of the same paper are not
>available to average. What am I doing wrong?

I have a hunch...

Once you select the first file to average (top popup), then the 2nd popup
is rebuilt, but using only files that "match" the one you've selected in the
top. The important thing here is: # of measurements.

If you select a 729 patch target in the top, then you'll only see other 729
patch targets in the bottom. 225 patches in the top? Only 225 patches are
listed in the bottom.

Does that help...?


Best regards,

-- 
David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
ColorVision

Hi David,

See below

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...> 
wrote:
 
> >but
> >the drop down does not show all of the measured files listed
> >under "existing measurements", onlyEp220_IGSG1440c and 2 other
> >papers I have measured but not the b and c version of
> >Ep2200_IGSG1440. Thus the measurements of the same paper are not
> >available to average. What am I doing wrong?
> 
> I have a hunch...
> 
> Once you select the first file to average (top popup), then the 2nd 
popup
> is rebuilt, but using only files that "match" the one you've 
selected in the
> top. The important thing here is: # of measurements.
> 
> If you select a 729 patch target in the top, then you'll only see 
other 729
> patch targets in the bottom. 225 patches in the top? Only 225 
patches are
> listed in the bottom.
> 
> Does that help...?

I tried renaming the data files (all of which are 729 patch readings 
from the same printed patch pages), a b and c to see if the drop down 
would allow me to see all three.  The drop down showed only "c" which 
corresponded to  Ep2200_IGSG1440c renamed and the files of other 
paper types, and NOT "a" or "b".  What puzzles me is that these 
measurement files are clearly present in the Pro folder of 
ColorVision and present on the drop down on read patches page 
("existing"  Don't know what to do next.
Thanks,
Paul

> 
> Best regards,
> 
> -- 
> David Miller
> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> ColorVision
>

> >
>> Does that help...?
>
>I tried renaming the data files (all of which are 729 patch readings
>from the same printed patch pages),

(ok)

>a b and c to see if the drop down
>would allow me to see all three. The drop down showed only "c" which
>corresponded to Ep2200_IGSG1440c renamed and the files of other
>paper types, and NOT "a" or "b". What puzzles me is that these
>measurement files are clearly present in the Pro folder of
>ColorVision and present on the drop down on read patches page
>("existing" Don't know what to do next.

I may as well have a look at them..:-)

Can you make a .zip or a .sitx from them, and email the compressed
file to me at davem@...? I'll figure out what the problem
is, and let you know.


Best regards,


-- 
David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
ColorVision

Yes, Pro with spectro, same set of patches on 3 pages measured three 
times a, b, and c.  These measurement files show up in all the drop 
downs except when Tools/Average drop down only shows c.  Am trying to 
send these zipped files to David but not able to attach to message in 
this Yahoo group.
Thanks,
Paul

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 9/9/06 1:35:36 AM, dm2363@... writes:
> 
> 
> > If you're running as PRO, with a spectro, there aren't any 
measurement to
> > average until you've printed targets, measured, and saved some 
measurement
> > files.
> > 
> You will also need to have two or more measurement sets using the 
same number 

> of measurements in the folder, in order to run an average command.
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Division
> DataColor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>

Hi all,

My apologies to the list.  I have learned I probably failed to read 
the white paper as the 729th patch and thus had an incomplete file 
which could be used to create a profile, but was not recognized as 
complete by the average feature and thus did not show in the drop 
down.

Thanks for your tolerance.

Paul

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 9/9/06 2:37:34 PM, bwinkjet@... writes:
> 
> 
> > Yes, Pro with spectro, same set of patches on 3 pages measured 
three
> > times a, b, and c.  These measurement files show up in all the 
drop
> > downs except when Tools/Average drop down only shows c.  Am 
trying to
> > send these zipped files to David but not able to attach to 
message in

> > this Yahoo group.
> > 
> 
> Send directly to him at: DaveM@...
> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Division
> DataColor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>