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Skin Tones Help...

Skin Tones Help...

2007-01-17 by Doug Lenos

I got a new set of inks with my InkRepublic CIS and I am have a hard time dialing in the profile w/ PFPro 2.0... all my skin tones come out too hot/red ... the highlight areas seem to appear as if the person is sunburnt... what should I be adjusting in the software to compensate? Is this enough info to go on ?
Thanks,
Doug

Re: [colorvision_group] Skin Tones Help...

2007-01-17 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 1/16/07 11:42:16 PM, doug@... writes:


I got a new set of inks with my InkRepublic CIS and I am have a hard time dialing in the profile w/ PFPro 2.0... all my skin tones come out too hot/red ... the highlight areas seem to appear as if the person is sunburnt... what should I be adjusting in the software to compensate? Is this enough info to go on ?


The profiling process should be taking care of this already. Are you printing the standard test image directly from the Print Preview screen of PFP2? Do the skintones on that image, printed that way, show these issues? Do they show on screen in that step as well, when you check Soft Proof?

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

Re: [colorvision_group] Skin Tones Help...

2007-01-17 by Doug Lenos

Thanks for reply - I sent David M the measurements late last night to look at- along w/ an image.
Previously, I had used/profiled Media Street inks for the R1800 and had them pretty much spot on. Their CIS though gave me too many issues - when my R1800 developed a hardward tracking problem Epson exchanged it out - for the new / replacement R1800 I bought InkRepublics CIS and inks - these - while working perfectly (no clogs, CIS issues) are not profiling well at all.
I did a 255 patch profile (three times) and results are the same every time - the skins tones come out too orange/red and areas like the cheeks and upper fore arms - softproof in qimage and ps cs2 both look great - it is only in the print. All other colors look fine - red in uniforms/border many be slightly over sat'd but actually look very good - proportionally they should be way blown out (over sat'd) as the skin tones are.
Here is one image http://lenos.us/dpr/example1.jpg http://lenos.us/dpr/example2.jpg is marked up - the red is where the skins look over sat'd / sunburned - the green areas come out too 'bright' / hot - this is interesting - onscreen it looks fine but the slight hotspot on the forehead (green) looks more pronounced in print - like a higher contrast adj has been applied.
At David req I reduced the sat in the PFPro 2.0 software to -8 and Cyan/Red a -4 - that solved the sunburn but desat'd the rest of image (basketball/indian) etc just enough to not be (to my eye comparing to prev prints) acceptable ... I made it -6, -2 and I can get by with that for this team - the sunburn is subtle but there (they will never notice it) - but I really need it resolved - or go back to the MS inks.
Printing the test print does show the problem on the kid on the far right and slightly on the 2nd from left - kids 2 and 4.. though not as pronounced... due to their light/soft skin tones I'm sure.
One last item I should mention... I updated the Epson R1800 driver to this last week... I did go back to the old driver and that did not resolve it but I thought I would mention it.
Printer Driver v5.5bAs
Windows XP, Windows 2000
epson12112.exe - 11.4MB - posted on 12/19/06
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In a message dated 1/16/07 11:42:16 PM, doug@... writes:


I got a new set of inks with my InkRepublic CIS and I am have a hard time dialing in the profile w/ PFPro 2.0... all my skin tones come out too hot/red ... the highlight areas seem to appear as if the person is sunburnt... what should I be adjusting in the software to compensate? Is this enough info to go on ?


The profiling process should be taking care of this already. Are you printing the standard test image directly from the Print Preview screen of PFP2? Do the skintones on that image, printed that way, show these issues? Do they show on screen in that step as well, when you check Soft Proof?

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Unit
Datacolor Inc.
CDTobie@colorvision.com
www.colorvision.com

Re: Skin Tones Help...

2007-01-17 by John Vitollo

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Lenos" <doug@...> wrote:
>
> I got a new set of inks with my InkRepublic CIS and I am have a hard time dialing in the 
profile w/ PFPro 2.0... all my skin tones come out too hot/red ... the highlight areas seem to 
appear as if the person is sunburnt... what should I be adjusting in the software to 
compensate?

Are you printing through Mac Photoshop CS2 version 9.0.1 as your description sounds a lot 
like the printing problem with that version? If so upgrade to 9.0.2

Re: [colorvision_group] Re: Skin Tones Help...

2007-01-17 by Doug Lenos

PC Version 9.02... Thanks though for the thought.
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--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Doug Lenos" wrote:
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> I got a new set of inks with my InkRepublic CIS and I am have a hard time dialing in the
profile w/ PFPro 2.0... all my skin tones come out too hot/red ... the highlight areas seem to
appear as if the person is sunburnt... what should I be adjusting in the software to
compensate?

Are you printing through Mac Photoshop CS2 version 9.0.1 as your description sounds a lot
like the printing problem with that version? If so upgrade to 9.0.2

Re: Skin Tones Help...

2007-01-18 by Doug Lenos

Just returned from Costco - they now have their Prem glossy paper 8.5x11 in 150 sheet count box for $18...

I had several boxes of the 125 count at home (I had bought 6 boxes several months ago) and I have been struggling w/ profiling it (see below) - to 125 count box says Made in Switzerland on the back - the new 150 count box is made in USA.

Initial comparison - USA is much 'whiter' - SWZ paper has a blue tint to it, is thinner, and the surface feels slicker...

I am going to profile and test the new paper - my guess is that it will perform much better and more like the paper they sold before...

----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Lenos
Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:52 PM
Subject: Skin Tones Help...

I got a new set of inks with my InkRepublic CIS and I am have a hard time dialing in the profile w/ PFPro 2.0... all my skin tones come out too hot/red ... the highlight areas seem to appear as if the person is sunburnt... what should I be adjusting in the software to compensate? Is this enough info to go on ?
Thanks,
Doug

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