Datacolor User to User Support Group.

This is best explained by reposting the thread-opening note from the 
Adobe Forums directly

"PRINTING: The infamous TechNote ID: kb400878 is a major screw-up!
Ramon - 10:19pm May 7, 2007 Pacific

The recent TechNote ID: kb400878 makes no sense.

Its instructions and the technique they describe leave no way or room 
for the user to select a custom or even a canned profile in Photoshop 10 
(CS3).

What is this all about?

http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=kb400878

    Issue

    When you print from Adobe Photoshop to an Epson Stylus printer such
    as the Photo 2200 (Photo 2100 in Europe), Photo 2400, or the Pro
    4000, colors may be too dark or have a magenta or green color cast.

    Solution

    Let the printer manage the colors."



The thread itself is at:
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?50@@.3bc3db82/2

That's JUST brilliant!  Another example of Adobe LITERALLY refusing to 
even acknowledge, much less fix, a problem in CS3.  Heck, who needs 
custom profiles, just let the printer mange your colors!

..and another reason to use QImage for printing instead.

Someone please congratulate Adobe for shipping a Premier graphics 
program that can't even print properly. What gigantic asses!

(For those who don't know Ramon is a longtime regular at the Adobe 
Forums, he's not some half-crazed anti-Adobe bomb-thrower.)

-- 

 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"

 

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Here's the problems all in one place.

We have new undocumented features and new paradigms:

"CS3 Print Feature? - Forgetting settings!"
Kirk Dickinson, "CS3 Print Feature? - Forgetting settings!" #, 25 Apr 
2007 1:05 pm <http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?50@@.3bc3c10c>

"Adobe, what happened to a wonderful company/product?!"
Solo, "Adobe, what happened to a wonderful company/product?!" #, 13 May 
2007 7:45 pm <http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?14@@.3bc3e74b>


"PRINTING: The infamous TechNote ID: kb400878 is a major screw-up!"
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?50@@.3bc3db82/2


"CS3 Printing has a major bug or programming Issue."
http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?128@@.3bc3c894

and other comments on this last one are here:

Message #86
http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16391&st=80 
<http://luminous-landscape.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=16391&st=80>

Ok, MY question is WHY would any company promise to resolve the printing 
issues before shipping Gold (which Adobe committed to during Beta), and 
then ship broken software, instead telling people it's a new paradigm 
and/or feature set?



 
Keith Krebs

"Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON printer 
User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
Publications), at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
"For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks together 
guys"

 

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While it is an admirable goal to have an "all-in-one" program do 
everything, I expect that it is also an unreasonable goal.

PS is a great image refiner/manipulator.  It is not a great tool for 
printing, resizing/upsizing (interpolating), or anything else 
associated with printing.  Qimage is....and....BTW...provides a much 
better, easier workflow.

Downloading from CF card or camera is another area.  Downloader Pro 
runs circles around PS or Lightroom.

Noise and sharpening are other examples.  PS capability improves, but 
products such as Focal Blade or Photokit, for sharpening, and Noise 
Ninja or Neat image, for noise, continue to give much better results.

I am a pretty straighforward person.  I long ago decided I could 
either "keep hitting my head against the wall until it stopped 
hurting" or I could find the best path/tool to used that does the job 
I want and use it.  For me, it is, among others, the tools listed 
above.

John








--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, "Editor P.O.V. Image 
Service" <editor@...> wrote:
>
> This is best explained by reposting the thread-opening note from 
the 
> Adobe Forums directly
> 
> "PRINTING: The infamous TechNote ID: kb400878 is a major screw-up!
> Ramon - 10:19pm May 7, 2007 Pacific
> 
> The recent TechNote ID: kb400878 makes no sense.
> 
> Its instructions and the technique they describe leave no way or 
room 
> for the user to select a custom or even a canned profile in 
Photoshop 10 
> (CS3).
> 
> What is this all about?
> 
> http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/knowledgebase/index.cfm?id=kb400878
> 
>     Issue
> 
>     When you print from Adobe Photoshop to an Epson Stylus printer 
such
>     as the Photo 2200 (Photo 2100 in Europe), Photo 2400, or the Pro
>     4000, colors may be too dark or have a magenta or green color 
cast.
> 
>     Solution
> 
>     Let the printer manage the colors."
> 
> 
> 
> The thread itself is at:
> http://www.adobeforums.com/cgi-bin/webx?50@@.3bc3db82/2
> 
> That's JUST brilliant!  Another example of Adobe LITERALLY refusing 
to 
> even acknowledge, much less fix, a problem in CS3.  Heck, who needs 
> custom profiles, just let the printer mange your colors!
> 
> ..and another reason to use QImage for printing instead.
> 
> Someone please congratulate Adobe for shipping a Premier graphics 
> program that can't even print properly. What gigantic asses!
> 
> (For those who don't know Ramon is a longtime regular at the Adobe 
> Forums, he's not some half-crazed anti-Adobe bomb-thrower.)
> 
> -- 
> 
>  
> Keith Krebs
> 
> "Just some guy," caretaker of the Multiverse's largest EPSON 
printer 
> User Community (highly recommended by Vogon Poets and MegaDodo 
> Publications), at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EPSON_Printers/
> and  the Multiverse's largest Canon printer User  Community at:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Canon-printers
> "For the rest of you out there, the secret is to bang the rocks 
together 
> guys"
> 
>  
> 
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Copyright, 
> Keith Krebs, 2001-2006, All Rights Reserved. It is expressly for 
the 
> sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and 
> privileged information. Absent the express written authorization of 
the 
> author, any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, transfer, or 
> distribution is explicitly prohibited and taken at your own risk. 
If you 
> are not, or are unsure whether you are, the intended recipient, 
please 
> contact the sender immediately and destroy all copies of the 
original 
> message. Violations will be prosecuted to the FULL extent allowed 
under 
> applicable civil and criminal law. Imagery published or distributed 
in 
> violation of these conditions shall be subject to a $1500/image 
> liquidated damages charge, in addition to any applicable Copyright 
> violation penalties.
> 
> POV IMage Service Banner
> ****************************************************************
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image.com/ }
>

Where does all this come from? I'm using CS3 on windows and it prints 
perfectly using my own custom profiles just like CS2 did on my Epson 
2100. Soft proof matches print.

Is this a Mac thing because there's no problem on my machine? No 
double profiling nonsense.

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:

> No, actually most of the issues with CS3 are Windows-based, and a 
number of 
> them Vista-inspired. If you aren't having issues, then just enjoy 
your good 
> luck. For those who do have problems, keeping a copy of Photoshop 
CS2 on your 
> machine to print from, at least until version CS3.0.1 comes out 
with some fixes, 
> might be necessary.
> 

I have in fact kept CS2 on my machine in case problems develop.
BTW I'm looking forward to trying out the new shadow detail slider in 
PFP 2.1. I've been making my profiles for my 2100 using +23 output in 
levels for both printing the patches and as an adjustment before 
printing an image. It works very well but maybe your new gizmo works 
better.