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Epson 4880 target printing

2009-06-03 by Myron Gochnauer

A few days ago I bought a new (for me) paper, and set about profiling  
it. I don't recall having any problems with the process once I got  
over the initial confusions and errors.

I am using a Macbook Pro, running the Mac version of Spyder3Print.

This time, though, the result was way off.   So I started all over  
again, thinking I'd just made some silly error.  I then noticed that  
when I tried to print the high quality target from within  
Spyder3Print, the Epson print dialogue that came up included the item  
"Color Matching", and this item gave me the choice of  
"ColorSync" [which uses existing color profiles] or "Epson Color  
Controls".  There was no choice for "No color management".

I then called up the high quality target in Photoshop and printed it  
that way, setting Color Management to "no color management".  When the  
Epson print dialogue came up, ColorSync gave me no options (since  
color management was turned off).  This time the resulting profile was  
pretty much as I expected.

Has anyone else had a problem with printing targets from Spyder3Print  
on the 4880 with a Mac?

I have no idea when this behaviour started.  It is as though  
Spyder3Print cannot, or does not, turn off or disable color management  
in the printer driver.

OS X 10.5.7
Printer driver  Epson SP 4880 version 6.12
Spyder3Print 3.5b9

Myron

Re: Epson 4880 target printing

2009-06-03 by shreymel

Hi

Spider3Print does the same with an HP B9180 using a Mac.

A workaround, like you found is to use Photoshop (or similar) to print the targets.

I have already posted this on the forum, but no one has yet offered a Spider3Print solution.

Having said that, a Universal Binary version of the app would be nice as well!

Shrey

--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, Myron Gochnauer <goch@...> wrote:
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>
> A few days ago I bought a new (for me) paper, and set about profiling  
> it. I don't recall having any problems with the process once I got  
> over the initial confusions and errors.
> 
> I am using a Macbook Pro, running the Mac version of Spyder3Print.
> 
> This time, though, the result was way off.   So I started all over  
> again, thinking I'd just made some silly error.  I then noticed that  
> when I tried to print the high quality target from within  
> Spyder3Print, the Epson print dialogue that came up included the item  
> "Color Matching", and this item gave me the choice of  
> "ColorSync" [which uses existing color profiles] or "Epson Color  
> Controls".  There was no choice for "No color management".
> 
> I then called up the high quality target in Photoshop and printed it  
> that way, setting Color Management to "no color management".  When the  
> Epson print dialogue came up, ColorSync gave me no options (since  
> color management was turned off).  This time the resulting profile was  
> pretty much as I expected.
> 
> Has anyone else had a problem with printing targets from Spyder3Print  
> on the 4880 with a Mac?
> 
> I have no idea when this behaviour started.  It is as though  
> Spyder3Print cannot, or does not, turn off or disable color management  
> in the printer driver.
> 
> OS X 10.5.7
> Printer driver  Epson SP 4880 version 6.12
> Spyder3Print 3.5b9
> 
> Myron
>

Re: [datacolor_group] Re: Epson 4880 target printing

2009-06-03 by Cdtobie

UB version coming right up...

C. D. Tobie
Global Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor.com
CDTobie@...
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Jun 3, 2009, at 1:45 PM, "shreymel" <smni.chandaria@...> wrote:

> Hi
>
> Spider3Print does the same with an HP B9180 using a Mac.
>
> A workaround, like you found is to use Photoshop (or similar) to  
> print the targets.
>
> I have already posted this on the forum, but no one has yet offered  
> a Spider3Print solution.
>
> Having said that, a Universal Binary version of the app would be  
> nice as well!
>
> Shrey
>
> --- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, Myron Gochnauer <goch@...>  
> wrote:
>>
>> A few days ago I bought a new (for me) paper, and set about profiling
>> it. I don't recall having any problems with the process once I got
>> over the initial confusions and errors.
>>
>> I am using a Macbook Pro, running the Mac version of Spyder3Print.
>>
>> This time, though, the result was way off.   So I started all over
>> again, thinking I'd just made some silly error.  I then noticed that
>> when I tried to print the high quality target from within
>> Spyder3Print, the Epson print dialogue that came up included the item
>> "Color Matching", and this item gave me the choice of
>> "ColorSync" [which uses existing color profiles] or "Epson Color
>> Controls".  There was no choice for "No color management".
>>
>> I then called up the high quality target in Photoshop and printed it
>> that way, setting Color Management to "no color management".  When  
>> the
>> Epson print dialogue came up, ColorSync gave me no options (since
>> color management was turned off).  This time the resulting profile  
>> was
>> pretty much as I expected.
>>
>> Has anyone else had a problem with printing targets from Spyder3Print
>> on the 4880 with a Mac?
>>
>> I have no idea when this behaviour started.  It is as though
>> Spyder3Print cannot, or does not, turn off or disable color  
>> management
>> in the printer driver.
>>
>> OS X 10.5.7
>> Printer driver  Epson SP 4880 version 6.12
>> Spyder3Print 3.5b9
>>
>> Myron
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Re: [datacolor_group] Re: Epson 4880 target printing

2009-06-03 by David Miller

On Jun 3, 2009, at 2:45 PM, shreymel wrote:

>
>
> Hi
>
> Spider3Print does the same with an HP B9180 using a Mac.
>
> A workaround, like you found is to use Photoshop (or similar) to  
> print the targets.
>
> I have already posted this on the forum, but no one has yet offered  
> a Spider3Print solution.
>
> Having said that, a Universal Binary version of the app would be  
> nice as well!
>
> Shrey
>
>

There's an easy answer for this. (and I think I've already posted it  
here, but
I'll repeat it now).

When you printing from Leopard, you MUST -NOT- CHOOSE COLORSYNC in the
Color Matching section of the Leopard print driver. (In Spyder3Print,
this section of the drive is dual radio buttons, both are selectable;
the leftmost button is ColorSync, and the rightmost button's naming
varies depending on the printer manufacturer. For Epson, it will be
labelled "Epson Color Controls", for Canon, it will be labelled
"Vendor Matching", and for HP.... I'm not sure).

In any case, you MUST NOT choose ColorSync. You need to choose the
other radio button, so in the case of Epson, you MUST CHOOSE
Epson Color Controls.

IN ADDITION to that: you must still turn off color management in the
printer-specific section of the Leopard print dialog.

For Epson: That means choosing both "Epson Color Controls" and
"Off - No Color Management".

For Canon: That means choosing "Vendor Matching" and using the "Off"
setting in a popup that's supposed to appear in the Canon-specific
settings area. This popup only appears if you have a CUPS-compatible
(updated specifically for Leopard) print driver installed, AND if you've
installed it correctly (even CUPS drivers can be installed two different
ways, and with one of those, you never see the popup that lets you turn
color management off).

For HP: That means choosing the rightmost radio button (whatever it's
non-ColorSync labelling is) and then choosing "Application Managed  
Colors"
in the HP section of the driver.

Sorry that we can't do anything ourselves to make any of this simpler;
this is all beyond our control, we can only observe what happens with
different iterations of printer drivers and operating systems and
how they interact, and then try to keep up with documenting this for
our users.


David Miller
Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
Datacolor

Re: Epson 4880 target printing

2009-06-04 by shreymel

Thanks David, I'll give that a try.

I had a preset which set Application Managed Colour when used in Photoshop etc, but it seems in Spider3Print, it does something slightly different. It does not select Vendor Matching in the Color Matching section.

I'll report back once I have tried it.

Shrey

--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@...> wrote:
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>
> 
> On Jun 3, 2009, at 2:45 PM, shreymel wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > Hi
> >
> > Spider3Print does the same with an HP B9180 using a Mac.
> >
> > A workaround, like you found is to use Photoshop (or similar) to  
> > print the targets.
> >
> > I have already posted this on the forum, but no one has yet offered  
> > a Spider3Print solution.
> >
> > Having said that, a Universal Binary version of the app would be  
> > nice as well!
> >
> > Shrey
> >
> >
> 
> There's an easy answer for this. (and I think I've already posted it  
> here, but
> I'll repeat it now).
> 
> When you printing from Leopard, you MUST -NOT- CHOOSE COLORSYNC in the
> Color Matching section of the Leopard print driver. (In Spyder3Print,
> this section of the drive is dual radio buttons, both are selectable;
> the leftmost button is ColorSync, and the rightmost button's naming
> varies depending on the printer manufacturer. For Epson, it will be
> labelled "Epson Color Controls", for Canon, it will be labelled
> "Vendor Matching", and for HP.... I'm not sure).
> 
> In any case, you MUST NOT choose ColorSync. You need to choose the
> other radio button, so in the case of Epson, you MUST CHOOSE
> Epson Color Controls.
> 
> IN ADDITION to that: you must still turn off color management in the
> printer-specific section of the Leopard print dialog.
> 
> For Epson: That means choosing both "Epson Color Controls" and
> "Off - No Color Management".
> 
> For Canon: That means choosing "Vendor Matching" and using the "Off"
> setting in a popup that's supposed to appear in the Canon-specific
> settings area. This popup only appears if you have a CUPS-compatible
> (updated specifically for Leopard) print driver installed, AND if you've
> installed it correctly (even CUPS drivers can be installed two different
> ways, and with one of those, you never see the popup that lets you turn
> color management off).
> 
> For HP: That means choosing the rightmost radio button (whatever it's
> non-ColorSync labelling is) and then choosing "Application Managed  
> Colors"
> in the HP section of the driver.
> 
> Sorry that we can't do anything ourselves to make any of this simpler;
> this is all beyond our control, we can only observe what happens with
> different iterations of printer drivers and operating systems and
> how they interact, and then try to keep up with documenting this for
> our users.
> 
> 
> David Miller
> Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> Datacolor
>

Re: Epson 4880 target printing

2009-06-04 by Myron Gochnauer

> When you printing from Leopard, you MUST -NOT- CHOOSE COLORSYNC in the
> Color Matching section of the Leopard print driver. (In Spyder3Print,
> this section of the drive is dual radio buttons, both are selectable;
> the leftmost button is ColorSync, and the rightmost button's naming
> varies depending on the printer manufacturer. For Epson, it will be
> labelled "Epson Color Controls", for Canon, it will be labelled
> "Vendor Matching", and for HP.... I'm not sure).

Ah Ha!  *That* makes sense.  I'm sorry I didn't pick up on it before.  
I tend not to read about printers other than my own. (Too much  
temptation!)

I only chose colorsync to verify that there was no color management  
enabled...  only to discover that *some* management was automatically  
enabled.  What I did not understand until now is that it was the act  
of choosing Colorsync that switched on management.

Hmmm.  Why have I never been tempted to make this mistake when I print  
in Photoshop?

Re: [datacolor_group] Re: Epson 4880 target printing

2009-06-04 by Cdtobie

Because in Photoshop these two options are automatically grayed out,  
so that if is not possible to make a choice.

C. D. Tobie
Global Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor.com
CDTobie@...
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Jun 4, 2009, at 4:27 PM, Myron Gochnauer <goch@...> wrote:

>
>
>> When you printing from Leopard, you MUST -NOT- CHOOSE COLORSYNC in  
>> the
>> Color Matching section of the Leopard print driver. (In Spyder3Print,
>> this section of the drive is dual radio buttons, both are selectable;
>> the leftmost button is ColorSync, and the rightmost button's naming
>> varies depending on the printer manufacturer. For Epson, it will be
>> labelled "Epson Color Controls", for Canon, it will be labelled
>> "Vendor Matching", and for HP.... I'm not sure).
>
> Ah Ha!  *That* makes sense.  I'm sorry I didn't pick up on it  
> before. I tend not to read about printers other than my own. (Too  
> much temptation!)
>
> I only chose colorsync to verify that there was no color management  
> enabled...  only to discover that *some* management was  
> automatically enabled.  What I did not understand until now is that  
> it was the act of choosing Colorsync that switched on management.
>
> Hmmm.  Why have I never been tempted to make this mist ake when I  
> print in Photoshop?
>
>
>

Re: Epson 4880 target printing

2009-06-05 by shreymel

Tried it and it works.

Thanks

I just a post further down, Photoshop doesn't have this problem!

Shrey

--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, "shreymel" <smni.chandaria@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> Thanks David, I'll give that a try.
> 
> I had a preset which set Application Managed Colour when used in Photoshop etc, but it seems in Spider3Print, it does something slightly different. It does not select Vendor Matching in the Color Matching section.
> 
> I'll report back once I have tried it.
> 
> Shrey
> 
> --- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, David Miller <dm2363@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Jun 3, 2009, at 2:45 PM, shreymel wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Spider3Print does the same with an HP B9180 using a Mac.
> > >
> > > A workaround, like you found is to use Photoshop (or similar) to  
> > > print the targets.
> > >
> > > I have already posted this on the forum, but no one has yet offered  
> > > a Spider3Print solution.
> > >
> > > Having said that, a Universal Binary version of the app would be  
> > > nice as well!
> > >
> > > Shrey
> > >
> > >
> > 
> > There's an easy answer for this. (and I think I've already posted it  
> > here, but
> > I'll repeat it now).
> > 
> > When you printing from Leopard, you MUST -NOT- CHOOSE COLORSYNC in the
> > Color Matching section of the Leopard print driver. (In Spyder3Print,
> > this section of the drive is dual radio buttons, both are selectable;
> > the leftmost button is ColorSync, and the rightmost button's naming
> > varies depending on the printer manufacturer. For Epson, it will be
> > labelled "Epson Color Controls", for Canon, it will be labelled
> > "Vendor Matching", and for HP.... I'm not sure).
> > 
> > In any case, you MUST NOT choose ColorSync. You need to choose the
> > other radio button, so in the case of Epson, you MUST CHOOSE
> > Epson Color Controls.
> > 
> > IN ADDITION to that: you must still turn off color management in the
> > printer-specific section of the Leopard print dialog.
> > 
> > For Epson: That means choosing both "Epson Color Controls" and
> > "Off - No Color Management".
> > 
> > For Canon: That means choosing "Vendor Matching" and using the "Off"
> > setting in a popup that's supposed to appear in the Canon-specific
> > settings area. This popup only appears if you have a CUPS-compatible
> > (updated specifically for Leopard) print driver installed, AND if you've
> > installed it correctly (even CUPS drivers can be installed two different
> > ways, and with one of those, you never see the popup that lets you turn
> > color management off).
> > 
> > For HP: That means choosing the rightmost radio button (whatever it's
> > non-ColorSync labelling is) and then choosing "Application Managed  
> > Colors"
> > in the HP section of the driver.
> > 
> > Sorry that we can't do anything ourselves to make any of this simpler;
> > this is all beyond our control, we can only observe what happens with
> > different iterations of printer drivers and operating systems and
> > how they interact, and then try to keep up with documenting this for
> > our users.
> > 
> > 
> > David Miller
> > Senior Software Developer, Digital Color Solutions
> > Datacolor
> >
>

Re: Epson 4880 target printing

2009-06-09 by shreymel

Is there an ETA on the UB version?

Thanks.

Shrey

--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>
> UB version coming right up...
> 
> C. D. Tobie
> Global Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor.com
> CDTobie@...
> 
> On Jun 3, 2009, at 1:45 PM, "shreymel" <smni.chandaria@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > Spider3Print does the same with an HP B9180 using a Mac.
> >
> > A workaround, like you found is to use Photoshop (or similar) to  
> > print the targets.
> >
> > I have already posted this on the forum, but no one has yet offered  
> > a Spider3Print solution.
> >
> > Having said that, a Universal Binary version of the app would be  
> > nice as well!
> >
> > Shrey
> >
> > --- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, Myron Gochnauer <goch@>  
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> A few days ago I bought a new (for me) paper, and set about profiling
> >> it. I don't recall having any problems with the process once I got
> >> over the initial confusions and errors.
> >>
> >> I am using a Macbook Pro, running the Mac version of Spyder3Print.
> >>
> >> This time, though, the result was way off.   So I started all over
> >> again, thinking I'd just made some silly error.  I then noticed that
> >> when I tried to print the high quality target from within
> >> Spyder3Print, the Epson print dialogue that came up included the item
> >> "Color Matching", and this item gave me the choice of
> >> "ColorSync" [which uses existing color profiles] or "Epson Color
> >> Controls".  There was no choice for "No color management".
> >>
> >> I then called up the high quality target in Photoshop and printed it
> >> that way, setting Color Management to "no color management".  When  
> >> the
> >> Epson print dialogue came up, ColorSync gave me no options (since
> >> color management was turned off).  This time the resulting profile  
> >> was
> >> pretty much as I expected.
> >>
> >> Has anyone else had a problem with printing targets from Spyder3Print
> >> on the 4880 with a Mac?
> >>
> >> I have no idea when this behaviour started.  It is as though
> >> Spyder3Print cannot, or does not, turn off or disable color  
> >> management
> >> in the printer driver.
> >>
> >> OS X 10.5.7
> >> Printer driver  Epson SP 4880 version 6.12
> >> Spyder3Print 3.5b9
> >>
> >> Myron
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [datacolor_group] Re: Epson 4880 target printing

2009-06-09 by CDTobie


Is there an ETA on the UB version?
No, but its in the works. Since the non-UB version is fully functional under the existing Mac OS versions, its not really critical, just appropriate, as the Mac moves forward.

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor
CDTobie@...
www.datacolor.com/Spyder3


-----Original Message-----
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From: shreymel
To: datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 4:23 pm
Subject: [datacolor_group] Re: Epson 4880 target printing

Is there an ETA on the UB version?

Thanks.

Shrey

--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie  wrote:
>
> UB version coming right up...
> 
> C. D. Tobie
> Global Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor.com
> CDTobie@...
> 
> On Jun 3, 2009, at 1:45 PM, "shreymel"  wrote:
> 
> > Hi
> >
> > Spider3Print does the same with an HP B9180 using a Mac.
> >
> > A workaround, like you found is to use Photoshop (or similar) to  
> > print the targets.
> >
> > I have already posted this on the forum, but no one has yet offered  
> > a Spider3Print solution.
> >
> > Having said that, a Universal Binary version of the app would be  
> > nice as well!
> >
> > Shrey
> >
> > --- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, Myron Gochnauer   
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> A few days ago I bought a new (for me) paper, and set about profiling
> >> it. I don't recall having any problems with the process once I got
> >> over the initial confusions and errors.
> >>
> >> I am using a Macbook Pro, running the Mac version of Spyder3Print.
> >>
> >> This time, though, the result was way off.   So I started all over
> >> again, thinking I'd just made some silly error.  I then noticed that
> >> when I tried to print the high quality target from within
> >> Spyder3Print, the Epson print dialogue that came up included the item
> >> "Color Matching", and this item gave me the choice of
> >> "ColorSync" [which uses existing color profiles] or "Epson Color
> >> Controls".  There was no choice for "No color management".
> >>
> >> I then called up the high quality target in Photoshop and printed it
> >> that way, setting Color Management to "no color management".  When  
> >> the
> >> Epson print dialogue came up, ColorSync gave me no options (since
> >> color management was turned off).  This time the resulting profile  
> >> was
> >> pretty much as I expected.
> >>
> >> Has anyone else had a problem with printing targets from Spyder3Print
> >> on the 4880 with a Mac?
> >>
> >> I have no idea when this behaviour started.  It is as though
> >> Spyder3Print cannot, or does not, turn off or disable color  
> >> management
> >> in the printer driver.
> >>
> >> OS X 10.5.7
> >> Printer driver  Epson SP 4880 version 6.12
> >> Spyder3Print 3.5b9
> >>
> >> Myron
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>




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