Datacolor User to User Support Group.

Hello all, BikerJim here again.
I received such a great answer to my last question I thought I'd try another question. The trouble is I'm not even sure what the question is! But I'll try asking anyway. 
Lets say I build a profile for HP Advanced Photo Paper Glossy. Now what am I looking for in my print and/or screen to tell if it is better or worst than the canned HP Glossy profile. They look different, one is slightly more saturated than than the other. How do I tell if one is better than the other. What am I looking for in my new profile? When I softproof the image I can change the saturation to match the other profile. If it appears that I'm very confused, then appearances are right!

Thanks, Jim

There is a fairly thorough tutorial in SpyderProof Help describing what each of the images covers that would be a start. But in the long run it's a matter of what you want, what your artistic intent is, that matters most. A profile isn't something that software should just do to your images; its a tool you should use, and tune, to get the results and effects you want. 

C. D. Tobie
Global Product Technology Mngr.
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
Datacolor.com
CDTobie@...

On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:51 AM, "jimbiker@rocketmail.com" <jim@...> wrote:

> Hello all, BikerJim here again.
> I received such a great answer to my last question I thought I'd try another question. The trouble is I'm not even sure what the question is! But I'll try asking anyway. 
> Lets say I build a profile for HP Advanced Photo Paper Glossy. Now what am I looking for in my print and/or screen to tell if it is better or worst than the canned HP Glossy profile. They look different, one is slightly more saturated than than the other. How do I tell if one is better than the other. What am I looking for in my new profile? When I softproof the image I can change the saturation to match the other profile. If it appears that I'm very confused, then appearances are right!
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> Thanks, Jim
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Thanks to the other David (the Tobie one) for your quick response. I see what you mean in your reply. But I also think I may have stumbled on to the thing that was confusing me in the first place. 
   When I softproof using the canned profile and then print using that profile, my printed image doesn't exactly match what's shown on the screen in softproof mode. But when I softproofed and printed using my new Spyder profile my printed image is identical or very close to the softproof image on the screen.
   Am I getting it right?

Thanks again, a less confused (I think) BikerJim

PS; A good tutorial you linked to on the images and what to look for, in the Spyder program. But some of the technical data is a little dated, it does not cover SR and its associated dialog box options or revisions.


--- In datacolor_group@yahoogroups.com, Cdtobie <CDTobie@...> wrote:

>
> There is a fairly thorough tutorial in SpyderProof Help describing what each of the images covers that would be a start. But in the long run it's a matter of what you want, what your artistic intent is, that matters most. A profile isn't something that software should just do to your images; its a tool you should use, and tune, to get the results and effects you want. 
> 
> C. D. Tobie
> Global Product Technology Mngr.
> Digital Imaging & Home Theater
> Datacolor.com
> CDTobie@...
> 
> On Nov 5, 2010, at 12:51 AM, "jimbiker@..." <jim@...> wrote:
> 
> > Hello all, BikerJim here again.
> > I received such a great answer to my last question I thought I'd try another question. The trouble is I'm not even sure what the question is! But I'll try asking anyway. 
> > Lets say I build a profile for HP Advanced Photo Paper Glossy. Now what am I looking for in my print and/or screen to tell if it is better or worst than the canned HP Glossy profile. They look different, one is slightly more saturated than than the other. How do I tell if one is better than the other. What am I looking for in my new profile? When I softproof the image I can change the saturation to match the other profile. If it appears that I'm very confused, then appearances are right!
> > 
> > Thanks, Jim
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------------
> > 
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > 
> > 
> >
>

On Nov 5, 2010, at 1:52 AM, jimbiker@... wrote:

>   Thanks to the other David (the Tobie one) for your quick response. I see what you mean in your reply. But I also think I may have stumbled on to the thing that was confusing me in the first place. 
>   When I softproof using the canned profile and then print using that profile, my printed image doesn't exactly match what's shown on the screen in softproof mode. But when I softproofed and printed using my new Spyder profile my printed image is identical or very close to the softproof image on the screen.
>   Am I getting it right?

Well, more precise softproofs are one virtue of custom profiles. Tuneability (both for print, and of the accuracy of the softproof at representing the print) are also key.

C. David Tobie
Global Product Technology Manager
Digital Imaging & Home Theater
CDTobie@...