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Spyder2Pro on a Viewsonic CRT Monitor

Spyder2Pro on a Viewsonic CRT Monitor

2006-04-16 by hanson102

on my attempt to calibrate my monitor, i encountered a problem with
adjust color temperature.  after my spyder did it's preliminary
readings, it was asking me to adjust the RGB sliders to align my RGB
column readings and decrease my difference rate from 4+ down to 0.5

since i was using a preset of 6500K of the monitor, i had to swtich to
manual adjustment to achieve this.  however, my problem is, my RED
slider is already maxed out (it is the column with the lowest value),
my BLUE slider (2nd highest column), i can easily bring down.  worse,
my GREEN slider is fixed by the monitor and i cannot adjust at all
(which is the column with the highest value).

questions:
1. does this mean that my monitor is incompatible?
2. since i cannot align my columns, and achieve 0.5 difference, what
will be my consequence?  spyder2PRO proceeded with its succeeding
calibration and gave me a profile that is quite reddish.  i believe
there is something wrong with this.

any help will be highly appreciated!

thanks!

Re: [colorvision_group] Spyder2Pro on a Viewsonic CRT Monitor

2006-04-16 by John Vitollo

On 4/16/06 7:02 AM, "hanson102" <hanson102@...> wrote:

> on my attempt to calibrate my monitor, i encountered a problem with
> adjust color temperature.  after my spyder did it's preliminary
> readings, it was asking me to adjust the RGB sliders to align my RGB
> column readings and decrease my difference rate from 4+ down to 0.5
> 
> since i was using a preset of 6500K of the monitor, i had to swtich to
> manual adjustment to achieve this.  however, my problem is, my RED
> slider is already maxed out (it is the column with the lowest value),
> my BLUE slider (2nd highest column), i can easily bring down.  worse,
> my GREEN slider is fixed by the monitor and i cannot adjust at all
> (which is the column with the highest value).
> 
> questions:
> 1. does this mean that my monitor is incompatible?
> 2. since i cannot align my columns, and achieve 0.5 difference, what
> will be my consequence?  spyder2PRO proceeded with its succeeding
> calibration and gave me a profile that is quite reddish.  i believe
> there is something wrong with this.


You haven't mentioned what type of monitor...LCD or CRT?

Unless you have a very high end LCD than it's best to avoid the RGB sliders.
Set them to 100% and let the Spyder build the profile. I have a medium
priced LCD and tried many different settings, here's what works for me:

Gamma: 2.2
White Point: Native

Luminance Mode: Measured
Black Lum: 0.30
White Lum: 130.00
Gray Balanced Calibration: ON

Just for the heck of it I did try setting the RGB sliders, but grayscales
had color banding. The above settings work well.

If you have a CRT try using the 6500 preset and don't worry about the RGB
sliders. You might have to try a few different settings until the monitor
looks good. My test is viewing a 100 patch grayscale and checking for
non-neutral patches.

Also read the help files...the latest one is in the Files section here.

Re: [colorvision_group] Spyder2Pro on a Viewsonic CRT Monitor

2006-04-16 by John Vitollo

On 4/16/06 7:02 AM, "hanson102" <hanson102@...> wrote:

> on my attempt to calibrate my monitor, i encountered a problem with
> adjust color temperature.  after my spyder did it's preliminary
> readings, it was asking me to adjust the RGB sliders to align my RGB
> column readings and decrease my difference rate from 4+ down to 0.5
> 
> since i was using a preset of 6500K of the monitor, i had to swtich to
> manual adjustment to achieve this.  however, my problem is, my RED
> slider is already maxed out (it is the column with the lowest value),
> my BLUE slider (2nd highest column), i can easily bring down.  worse,
> my GREEN slider is fixed by the monitor and i cannot adjust at all
> (which is the column with the highest value).
> 
> questions:
> 1. does this mean that my monitor is incompatible?
> 2. since i cannot align my columns, and achieve 0.5 difference, what
> will be my consequence?  spyder2PRO proceeded with its succeeding
> calibration and gave me a profile that is quite reddish.  i believe
> there is something wrong with this.

Guess I should have read your Subject Title better "Viewsonic CRT
Monitor"...sorry no coffee yet!

Re: [colorvision_group] Spyder2Pro on a Viewsonic CRT Monitor

2006-04-16 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 4/16/06 7:03:40 AM, hanson102@... writes:


since i was using a preset of 6500K of the monitor, i had to swtich to
manual adjustment to achieve this. however, my problem is, my RED
slider is already maxed out (it is the column with the lowest value),
my BLUE slider (2nd highest column), i can easily bring down. worse,
my GREEN slider is fixed by the monitor and i cannot adjust at all
(which is the column with the highest value).

questions:
1. does this mean that my monitor is incompatible?


If your red is too low, and can't be raised, while your green if fixed, then you can't adjust your gains manually. Choose the preset, and let the software fix it from there.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Division
DataColor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

Re: Spyder2Pro on a Viewsonic CRT Monitor

2006-04-16 by hanson102

--- In colorvision_group@yahoogroups.com, CDTobie@... wrote:
>
> 
> In a message dated 4/16/06 7:03:40 AM, hanson102@... writes:
> 
> 
> > since i was using a preset of 6500K of the monitor, i had to swtich to
> > manual adjustment to achieve this.  however, my problem is, my RED
> > slider is already maxed out (it is the column with the lowest value),
> > my BLUE slider (2nd highest column), i can easily bring down.  worse,
> > my GREEN slider is fixed by the monitor and i cannot adjust at all
> > (which is the column with the highest value).
> > 
> > questions:
> > 1. does this mean that my monitor is incompatible?
> > 
> 
> If your red is too low, and can't be raised, while your green if
fixed, then 
> you can't adjust your gains manually. Choose the preset, and let the
software 
> fix it from there.


but my problem is that the spyder2PRO gives me profile that has a
reddish cast. ... doesn't this mean that the profile has an error or
something?  it should give me a good 'white' temperature but it's just
too warm.

what is the important of achieving a 0.5 difference on the color
temperature?  
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> 
> C. David Tobie
> Product Technology Manager
> ColorVision Business Division
> DataColor Inc.
> CDTobie@...
> www.colorvision.com
>

Re: [colorvision_group] Re: Spyder2Pro on a Viewsonic CRT Monitor

2006-04-16 by CDTobie@aol.com


In a message dated 4/16/06 2:41:45 PM, hanson102@... writes:



but my problem is that the spyder2PRO gives me profile that has a
reddish cast. ... doesn't this mean that the profile has an error or
something? it should give me a good 'white' temperature but it's just
too warm.

If your red gain is low, the only way to get a 6500k white balance is by allowing the software to compensate for this by lowering your green and blue channel maximum values at the videocard level. This is not ideal, but an older Viewsonic CRT is a low cost, end-of-life situation. Getting a pinkish whitepoint would indicate that the video corrections were too extreme, but my guess is that the overall luminance would suffer a great deal before that would happen, and your result would be, first and foremost, too dim, in order for it to be too red from this cause.

You can tell a lot from the curves window, which should show the drop in max luminance in the green and blue channels, and the relative gamma curves of red, green, and blue, to tell what the color balance will look like elsewhere than at white. If your monitor looks red in Photoshop, but not in non-color managed apps, then its not the calibration thats the culpret, but the profile definition.

You could go through the process of diagnosing this with ColorVision Support, but I suspect, in the end, that getting a new monitor will be the key step to getting controllable color.

C. David Tobie
Product Technology Manager
ColorVision Business Division
DataColor Inc.
CDTobie@...
www.colorvision.com

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