Sam,I believe you can copy your on/off pedal data from channel one to channel 3 on both types of MIDI files. Leave your on/off pedal data on channel 1 and then make your incremental modifications to the on/off pedal data on channel 3. You should be fine.
BillHello everyone,Geoff and Spence have both been incredibly generous in trying to help me with the clunking, noisy damper pedal on my MK II DKV when playing back MIDI files.After trying Spence's pedal on/off program to no avail, we are realizing that the older DKVs like the MKII receive damper on/off data on ch 1, and half-pedal data on ch 3.Can anyone enlighten us on what type of MIDI files (0 or1) have pedal info on ch 3? Is there a way to extract this data that might be embedded on ch 1?Does anyone with older DKVs have this clunking pedal issue, and have they found a way to solve it?Thanks in advance...Geoff, the settings are very helpful. Hopefully I can experiment tomorrow and see how they work. I will report back and update. Thanks!
Sam*(Sent from phone - please excuse brevity and typos.)
Sam
The attached screenshot is of the settings I found best, but it depends on the regulation of the piano. On mine, the dampers just clear all of the strings at a midi value of 60 (I created a test file with various levels to ascertain that figure). So I set it at a max of 70 to ensure strings were undamped. At 40 all strings were fully damped. So a range of 40 to 70 minimises the pedal travel. However, the ramps of midi 64 controllers thus created still descend to 0 if time permits, so I\u2019m not quite sure what the pedal off threshold of 40 determines. It does seem to put a shoulder in the ramp at the 40 mark and affects the position of the ramp. This is always a compromise. The sustain pedal will take effect at a later point in time and will come off earlier and I think that the threshold levels are intended to position the ramps so that the sustain actuation occurs as close as possible to where the former on/off controllers occurred. It\u2019s not perfect because damper lift-off is not perfect. On my piano, which is new, the damper lift-off range is about 50 to 60.
The soft pedal is not so critical. For the soft pedal, the ramp is set to run the full range from 0 to 127, as you would expect. I\u2019m again not sure of the significance of the on and off threshold values, but these settings worked for me.
Kind regards
Geoff
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Geoff, do you have an idea what would be good starting settings for MPX100II?
This is a mark II DKV, not mark II XG.
Sam
On Feb 20, 2014, at 1:26 AM, Spencer Chase <;lists@spencerserolls.com> wrote:
i wrote the program but Geoff did the testing and has a DKV to test on so he is the authority for appropriate settings, at least for pianos similar to his.
On 2/19/2014 10:16 PM, Sam Kanter wrote:
Wow - this looks like just what the doctor ordered to fix the noisy on/off pedaling issue. Can't wait to test it during day hours. Thanks!
Sam Kanter
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Spencer Chase <lists@...> wrote:
i uploaded the new version of the pedal modifier program do not use the link in the last e-mail because the name has changed. go to the download page of my site spencerserolls.com and find the On Off to Gradual Pedal converter program (New) actually, this link might work from e-mail but best to visit the download page instead.
On 2/19/2014 8:20 PM, Skanter123 wrote:
Geoff, what is the exact name of Spencer's pedal program? I could not find it...
Sam
On Feb 19, 2014, at 11:18 PM, Geoff Ward <gward1211@...> wrote:
Just following up on Spencer\u2019s comments about his program to apply up and down ramps to on-off pedal controllers. The program works best with type 0 midi files and it works well to remove pedal noise from my MKIV when playing low volume midi files. File of just piano music can be easily converted from type 1 to type 0 in a program like Cakewalk, or Spencer also has a program to do it.
(Spencer, the pedal modifier program on your website is not the latest \u2013 the latest version displays parameters for both sustain and soft pedals).
If someone wants to use this program, I have worked out the settings which give good results for my MKIV. If anyone wants them, please let me know.
Kind regards
Geoff Ward
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my computer is screwing up after that last win8 update. not sure how much i can do while traveling. hope it recovers. it looks like the most recent version of on off to gradual pedaling is on the download page of my web site. Geoff reads this list. he recently had some "problems" with the program but it turned out to be misunderstanding of what it could do. he remembers better than i so can probably answer questions. i know he has successfully used it to reduce both soft and sustain pedal noise. be sure to use the on off to gradual, not the reverse. the program has to interpolate ramped controllers. it does the best it can but you have to choose settings for some strange files??? probably best to use the default settings until you figure out something better.
http://spencerserolls.com/Files4Download.htmlOn 2/18/2014 9:10 AM, Skanter123 wrote:
Thanks Spence - I would be interested...
Sam
On Feb 18, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Spencer Chase <lists@spencerserolls.com> wrote:
about pedals, i have a program that interpolates progressive pedaling in to MIDI files. not sure if i put it on my web site or not. i recently went through testing with Geoff Ward and i believe we found the program to do what it should. it definitely reduces pedal noise. i am really busy right now getting ready for a trip but will probably be stuck in the airport for hours later today (weather) and can make sure a working version is posted to my server.
if anyone is interested, let me know. i have a lot to do so will not bother unless people want it.On 2/18/2014 12:01 AM, Skanter123 wrote:
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Sorry about that. I mis-read your question. George will need to respond on your Controller 7 question about how it affects the Disklavier. I just know that Controller 7 is set to 100 at the beginning of Yamaha PianoSoft Disklavier files.
Hmmm...I'm wondering how MIDI volume (controller 7) can affect an acoustic piano. It seems the only way to affect volume on a DKV is by velocity or soft pedal (bringing hammers closer),
I have not seen any sort of volume control curve for Disklavier.
Noisy pedals - This is usually the result of playing MIDI files that have ON/OFF pedaling, instead of incremental pedaling. During playback, ON/OFF pedaling goes from full OFF to full ON and then back to full OFF. This is much noiser (and much less musical) than incremental pedaling. I imagine that when you record on your Disklavier, the playback of the pedals is much better, right?
Yes! This makes sense. Â I wonder if there is a simple way to control this when playing MIDI files that only have ON/OFF? Probably some utility somewhere...
Thanks again!
Bill
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On Feb 18, 2014, at 1:36 AM, Bill Brandom <billbrando@...>Bill, thanks for your detailed reply. I'm still confused about a few things, though.
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You stated that you are reducing MIDI velocities and not hearing a difference on the Disklavier. My guess is that your music must be playing pretty softly and the Disklavier will not attempt to play it any softer, even with the velocities reduced. Just to confirm that your velocity changes are or are not working, take a very high velocity note and reduce its velocity considerably and see if the Disklavier plays it back considerable softer.
I said that lowering MIDI VOLUME (not velocity) produced no affect. I'm not sure how changing MIDI volume (controller #7) affects the DKV if at all. Is it supposed to?
The built in volume control on the Disklavier compresses the playback, reducing the highest velocity notes much more than the lower velocity notes. On your MPX100II, at a certain volume level (I think -7, the hammer rest rail of your piano moves the hammers much closer to the strings, thereby making the piano play much softer.)
On my DKV, the velocity seems to decrease as I bring it down from 0 to -10, but I'm not sure what the curve is. Is there a graphic showing this curve? I assume the  volume control affects velocity only, and not the soft pedal?
Another unrelated issue i have is that, on some MIDI file playback, the damper pedal is quite noisy. It is sustaining notes properly but moving up and down more than it needs to (like some of my beginning students who stamp on the pedal until they learn to use it). Â Is there a way to control the continuous movement of the pedal to limit it's movement somewhat so it will be quieter?
Thanks in advance for your help...
Bill
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Thanks, George.
Being a synthesist as well as pianist, I was there at MIDI9;s start, and know my way around SYSEX charts, but am still confused about how MIDI volume and velocity affects an acousto-electric instrument like the DKV.Â&nbs (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
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2014-02-25 by Sam Kanter
Bill, not sure what you mean here. How would I copy MIDI half-pedal (controller #67) from channel 1 to channel 3 on MIDI files that have both on ch 1? I am referring to files that already have the half-pedal data.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Bill Brandom <bill.brandom03@gmail.com> wrote: