George, so I could run the calibration program to let me know if my pedal (and everything else) is in adjustment?If not, can I safely opt out of the program in the middle with no harm done? If so, I cannot see a downside to running it.SamOn Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:41 PM, George Frederick Litterst <PianoBench@...> wrote:Good afternoon, everyone.
Sam, if your pedal is in proper mechanical adjustment, running the calibration program is a great idea. The keys should be periodically calibrated as well.If the piano is out of proper mechanical adjustment, the calibration program is not going to achieve the correct results.Someone like Bill should comment on this further. My recollection is that when you calibrate the sustain pedal on older Disklaviers, you have to get involved with the adjustment process, follow directions on the screen, and listen carefully as the piano plays a repeated note. If you don't understand how the calibration system works and why the piano is playing a repeated note, you won't succeed with this.The calibration program on Mark IV and E3 is a lot simpler with respect to its interaction with the user and is more easily run by a consumer. In most cases, with the older Disklaviers, it is best to have a technician first regulate the instrument and then run the calibration programs.Regards,PianoBenchOn Feb 25, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Sam Kanter wrote:
Does anyone know if calibrating pedal (as per link below) is a good idea?George, I used the YAM player to convert FIL to MIDI, but not sure what it did to channel assignments. I think it put everything on ch 1. I will check as soon as I have time...
SamGood afternoon, everyone.
Sam, have you tried copying any of the Piano-e-Competition E-SEQ files to a floppy disk and then playing them in the Disklavier? That would be a good way of testing your instrument's response to the incremental pedal data on channel 3.I don't know with certainty, but I think that one of the programs on the Internet that converts E-SEQ to SMF may do so without making any changes to the channel assignments. If so, that is probably your best way of converting E-SEQ to SMF for playback on your Mark II from a computer.Regards,PianoBenchOn Feb 25, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Skanter123 wrote:So, E-SEQ files separate incremental pedal data to ch3, while MIDI files retain this data but puts everything on ch 1?I originally downloaded FIL (E-SEQ) files, but then changed to MIDI thinking they were the same. Also, the only playback program I found that plays FIL is YAMM, which often has problems. Are there any other programs that will play FIL files?Good morning, everyone.
The Piano-e-Competition has traditionally made files available in the following formats:--XPThis type of file is intended for playback on a Disklavier PRO.This is a Type 0 Standard MIDI File with all piano data on channel 1. It includes the extra MIDI messages (aftertouch and controller messages) that provide the extra bits of resolution that the Disklavier PRO is uniquely capable of utilizing. Although these files can be played on any MIDI instrument, the XP (or Extended Precision) portion of the data will be ignored unless the playback device is a PRO. These files are larger than the SMF files discussed below.--Standard MIDI FileThis type of file is intended for playback on any non-PRO Disklavier that supports the SMF format and which responds to incremental pedal data on channel 1. This means Mark IIXG and later instruments.This is a Type 0 SMF with all of the piano data on channel 1.--E-SEQThis is an older, Yamaha-specific file format and is intended for Mark II and earlier Disklaviers. Note and on/off pedal data are on channel 1 and incremental pedal data is on channel 3.Sam, for Piano-e-Competition files, I recommend that you try downloading the E-SEQ versions. Given your in-depth use of your Disklavier, I encourage you to get the necessary parts from Yamaha Piano Service that would enable you to replace your current control unit with a DKC-850. This would bring your instrument up to modern standards.Regards,PianoBenchOn Feb 25, 2014, at 3:03 AM, Skanter123 wrote:As i look at event lists from DKV files (from eCompetitions) it seems that #67 is soft pedal. Sustain data is all #64, both on/off and incremental.I don't know how to batch copy all pedal data to another channel (at least with the sequencer I have here at home), but I certainly can move everything to ch 1. Ill try this and report back. Thanks!If you have both on/off and incremental on channel 1, then copy all of the pedal data (Controllers 64 and 67) to channel 3.If you can't extract the pedal data from the note data, andif you are making Piano-only music, try just copying ALL of the note and pedal data on channel 1 to channel 3.BillBill, not sure what you mean here. How would I copy MIDI half-pedal (controller #67) from channel 1 to channel 3 on MIDI files that have both on ch 1? I am referring to files that already have the half-pedal data.
On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:04 AM, Bill Brandom <bill.brandom03@gmail.com> wrote:Sam,I believe you can copy your on/off pedal data from channel one to channel 3 on both types of MIDI files. Leave your on/off pedal data on channel 1 and then make your incremental modifications to the on/off pedal data on channel 3. You should be fine.
BillHello everyone,Geoff and Spence have both been incredibly generous in trying to help me with the clunking, noisy damper pedal on my MK II DKV when playing back MIDI files.After trying Spence's pedal on/off program to no avail, we are realizing that the older DKVs like the MKII receive damper on/off data on ch 1, and half-pedal data on ch 3.Can anyone enlighten us on what type of MIDI files (0 or1) have pedal info on ch 3? Is there a way to extract this data that might be embedded on ch 1?Does anyone with older DKVs have this clunking pedal issue, and have they found a way to solve it?Thanks in advance...Geoff, the settings are very helpful. Hopefully I can experiment tomorrow and see how they work. I will report back and update. Thanks!
Sam*(Sent from phone - please excuse brevity and typos.)Sam
The attached screenshot is of the settings I found best, but it depends on the regulation of the piano. On mine, the dampers just clear all of the strings at a midi value of 60 (I created a test file with various levels to ascertain that figure). So I set it at a max of 70 to ensure strings were undamped. At 40 all strings were fully damped. So a range of 40 to 70 minimises the pedal travel. However, the ramps of midi 64 controllers thus created still descend to 0 if time permits, so I’m not quite sure what the pedal off threshold of 40 determines. It does seem to put a shoulder in the ramp at the 40 mark and affects the position of the ramp. This is always a compromise. The sustain pedal will take effect at a later point in time and will come off earlier and I think that the threshold levels are intended to position the ramps so that the sustain actuation occurs as close as possible to where the former on/off controllers occurred. It’s not perfect because damper lift-off is not perfect. On my piano, which is new, the damper lift-off range is about 50 to 60.
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The soft pedal is not so critical. For the soft pedal, the ramp is set to run the full range from 0 to 127, as you would expect. I’m again not sure of the significance of the on and off threshold values, but these settings worked for me.
Kind regards
Geoff
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Subject: Re: [disklavier] DKV volume
Geoff, do you have an idea what would be good starting settings for MPX100II?
This is a mark II DKV, not mark II XG.
Sam
On Feb 20, 2014, at 1:26 AM, Spencer Chase <lists@...> wrote:
i wrote the program but Geoff did the testing and has a DKV to test on so he is the authority for appropriate settings, at least for pianos similar to his.
On 2/19/2014 10:16 PM, Sam Kanter wrote:
Wow - this looks like just what the doctor ordered to fix the noisy on/off pedaling issue. Can't wait to test it during day hours. Thanks!
Sam Kanter
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(212) 684-3304
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 1:05 AM, Spencer Chase <lists@spencerserolls.com> wrote:
i uploaded the new version of the pedal modifier program do not use the link in the last e-mail because the name has changed. go to the download page of my site spencerserolls.com and find the On Off to Gradual Pedal converter program
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Re: [disklavier] DKV volume
2014-02-25 by George Frederick Litterst
George
On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:30 PM, Sam Kanter wrote: