Disklavier

Well said Buffy, I knew you were a class act.

To Joe,
You're right.  Volume control is an extremely hot issue, for a small number
of people.  The activity on the DUG board proves it.  Yes, I'm tired of the
volume control issue and made a humorous (most people say) remark about how
fatuous (look it up) the conversation had become.  It would shock and dismay
me to know that anyone misinterpreted my comment to be a true effort at
censoring conversation.  Have you lost all sense of humor?  Why are you so
mad and why are you mad at me or this group?   I feel compelled (happens a
lot) to point out a few things 96% of the group is already aware of:

1. I don't work for Yamaha
2. I don't get anything out of this site except a chance to meet mostly
great people and swap stuff.
3. It's a pretty thankless job, cheerleading a large group of people, too
many of whom take, but don't give to the group.
4. I haven't replaced DUG and forced your amazing anger toward Yamaha
through a new censored channel.  Speaking of censorship, start talking price
and service (more important to many than volume) on the DUG channel and see
what happens.
5. DUG is still there and virtually all our members are members of DUG and
will receive any and all rantings and ravings about volume you send there.
I read all of them, regardless of subject line.  But I can read all of this
group's mail first and put the DUG stuff off until I'm done with important
stuff like clipping my toenails.
6. The idea of different groups is different interests.  We are interested
in swapping non-classical music.  Should I expect all caps rants from
classical music lovers who feel left out.

I have a very elegant and totally democratic solution for you.  Go to
www.egroups.com and start a new group (took me 8 minutes when I did it).
Suggested name: DkVolume@egroups.com  then send a posting here and to DUG
announcing the group.  I'll be happy to join and post long dissertations on
the situation in Bosnia, in the interest of free speech and democratic
principles.  If you just complain about the well-intentioned efforts of
others, and don't take positive action, how can we take you seriously?

The strongest way to state your obvious displeasure with me or the group is
to send an e-mail to disklavier-unsubsribe@egroups.com  .  Not one person
has done that yet and I would certainly take notice if they did.

Apologies for wasting the time of 96% of you!

P.S.
If you take my attitude to be arrogant, obnoxious, self-serving and very
sarcastic, you are now aware of something everyone else already knows.  As
Popeye once said:  I yam what I yam.  Some people enjoy, many probably
don't, but most like the group and no one is forced to listen.

-----Original Message-----
From: Taxi <buffy@...>
To: disklavier@egroups.com <disklavier@egroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 9:39 AM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Rules of Etiquette and Use of Yamaha in
Conservatories and Colleges


>I guess you are shouting because you are in all caps.  You sound pretty
>angry.
>
>I enjoy using this list regardless of the type of mail it is.  I believe
the
>purpose of most email lists is to be able to discuss any topic that
pertains
>to the group type.  One of the most important etiquette rules of most lists
>is to put the subject of your email in the space indicated for subject.
>That way if you don't wish to read the email, then you can delete it.
>
>Limiting any subject tends to surpress, and then eventually turn the member
>off to any response.
>
>I subscribe to several lists and if I want to read the mail because of the
>subject I do, if not I just delete it.
>
>Joe, it is very difficult to read mail that is in all caps.  I use to do it
>until someone pointed out that rules of etiquette for writing say that
>unless you are absolutely angry as hell, don't type in all caps. I am very
>interested in (so far) in all the mail coming from this list, as it is very
>informative.  I think your point is well taken (although I could do without
>the shouting!).  I hope that we will all realize that this a place that we
>can all learn a great deal from, as well as a place to voice our
complaints.
>I think it is rather calous of Yamaha to take the view that they have taken
>on volume.
>
>New Subject: Use of Yamaha in Music Education
>
>Does anyone in the group know of schools or colleges using the Yamaha for
>rehearsal purposes or for teaching?
>
>I do not have much to contribute because I basically use my piano for Opera
>and Lieder rehearsal only.  If there are any members that are interested in
>the files that I have converted to ESQ for Opera or Lieder (specifically
for
>Soprano) then please email me privately.  I will be glad to upload these
>midi files if there is any interest.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Joe Arnold <ujarnold@...>
>To: <disklavier@...>
>Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 9:20 AM
>Subject: [disklavier] Re: No Subject
>
>
>> I AM GLAD TO HEAR THAT WHAT EVER YOUR PERCEIVED INTERESTS
>> ARE ( YAWN ), THAT THE OTHER USERS WILL FIND THEM MORE INTERESTING
>> THAN THE VOLUME DISCUSSION.
>>
>> IT SEEMS ME  THAT THE VOLUME OF E-MAILS ON THIS SUBJECT SPEAKS FOR
ITSELF.
>> FOR YOU AND OTHERS WANT TO PRETEND THAT IT IS A NON-ISSUE
>> AMOUNTS  TO TELLING THOSE OF US W/ THE CONCERN TO BUZZ OFF.
>>
>> OBVIOUSLY YAMAHA HASN'T FIGURED OUT A GOOD SOLUTION AND IF YOU WERE
>READING
>> THE
>> CORRESPONDENCE CAREFULLY, YOU WOULD REALIZE, THAT SOME INDIVIDUALS
>> THAT HAVE OWNED DIFFERENT MODELS OR DIFFERENT GENERATIONS
>> OF YAMAHA PIANO'S WITH DISKLAVIER  ELECTRONICS HAVE NOTICED
>> EXCESSIVE DIFFERENCES IN THE VOLUME ASSOCIATED WITH THE ELECTRONICS.
>> ON PERSON FOUND THAT THE CHANGE FROM A LARGE GRAND TO A SMALLER
>> GRAND W/ NEWER ELECTRONICS CAME WITH SUBSTANTIALLY LOUDER VOLUME AT
>>  LOWER LISTENING LEVELS !
>>
>> I RESENT THIS PUREST ATTITUDE THAT SEEMS TO EXIST AND ACCEPTS THIS WITH A
>MY
>> GOSH, THIS
>> IS A GRAND PIANO, WHAT DO YOU EXPECT ATTITUDE. WHAT I EXPECT IS THAT THE
>> ELECTRONICS OUGHT TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE PIANO PLAY AS SOFTLY
>> AS IF A PERSON WERE AT THE PIANO. !!!
>>
>> JOE
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Marie Jeffries <smram@...>
>> To: <disklavier@...>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 8:07 AM
>> Subject: [disklavier] No Subject
>>
>>
>> > I'm brand new to both the DUG and this group, since I just bought my
>> > piano/Disklavier two weeks ago.  Glad to find all these friendly people
>> > out there.  Also glad to find volume discussions are BANNED from this
>> > one!  [YAWN]  Re the guy from Yamaha, in one of the DUG messages that
>> > he sent accidentally to someone, he didn't recommend the person buying
>> > some extra memory or add-on because it was so enormously overpriced,
>> > and he was honest enough to say that to the guy (and unknowingly to
>> > everone).  I'm sure Yamaha's "DUG monitors" slapped him around for that
>> > one.  But if he's honest, I definitely say "let him in".
>> >
>> > Also, re uploading - I have no collection of favorite disks laying on
>> > my piano YET since I'm still trying to figure out what buttons do what,
>> > but in time, my friends . . .
>> >
>> > Marie
>> >
>> >
>>
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