I can add some information about MIDI files and the Disklavier. A "normal" Yamaha disk will have the left hand piano notes in channel 1, the right hand notes in channel 2 (or is it vice versa), and pedalling information in channel 3. You have the ability from your control panel to cancel either left or right hand. I believe this is for those who are learning and want to play one hand while the Disklavier plays the other. If you have a midi file where the left and right hands are in separate channels then leave them this way but make sure to move them to 1 and 2. For example, I have midi files from PG Music that have the piano left hand and right hand in channels 8 and 9. I moved 8 to 1 and 9 to 2, rather than combine 8 and 9 into 1. This way I still have the ability to use the control panel cancel part feature. Now my disklavier has the ability to select channels 8 and 9 as piano parts but I have to do this manually (which is a pain in the b*). The newer disklaviers, from what I understand, can automatically identify channels that contain piano parts and will play them. But then the channel must contain a "program" command (i.e., "program Piano") to identify the channel as a Piano part). The midi files that I have from PG Music that are purely piano (i.e., no drums, etc.) don't include a "program" command. So as the midi files are set up, a MIDI player such as the one I use on my personal computer would play channels 8 and 9 using whatever program or voice (not necessarily piano) was last assigned for that channel. Thus I might end up hearing something like an OBOE playing channel 8 and a GUITAR playing channel 9 (and it'll sound awful). Ideally, the MIDI files that we want for the Disklavier would use channel 1 and 2 for the piano notes, channel 3 for pedalling information (which might or might not exist depending on how the MIDI file was recorded), channels 4, 5, etc for all other instruments with channel 10 always used for drum kits. And they would contain "program piano" commands so that we can audition the midi file on a PC without having to go and reset the voices for all channels. Yamaha describes a sort of standard setup for MIDI files and it would be nice if everyone followed this but they don't and that's why we usually have to work over the MIDI files that you find on the Internet. Some of the Disklavier submissions don't follow this standard either (likely due to the newer Disklaviers being a little bit smarter than older ones). The missing "program piano" commands is the most common problem (for PC's not the DIsklavier) since I like to listen to them on my PC before going through the work of transfering them to diskette. After this long-winded discussion, you might recognize that the following post is not quite correct. > When you open a midi file with an editor you will know what to do. It is > real simple, however, just look for the channel and change anything that is > 3 and above to 1 or 2. You would only move a channel containing a piano part (or program) to 1 or 2. And if channels 1 and 2 are already occupied with, for example, a Jazz guitar and a Bass guitar, then you'll have to move them to another channel (an unused channel). It can get quite complex if all channels are in use. I use Nagler's MIDI utilities to convert MIDI to simple text and then use a text editor to switch the channels around (you can tell that I'm a software programmer). But any decent MIDI sequencer/editor program should allow you to do this with some making it easier to do than others. Ah, the joys of working with MIDI. Have fun. Jack Schueler "Taxi" <buffy@...> on 01/03/2000 02:05:28 PM Please respond to disklavier@egroups.com To: disklavier@egroups.com cc: (bcc: Jack Schueler/SYBASE) Subject: [disklavier] Re: Playing piano parts incorrectly On Tucows, Anvil Studio, is a midi editor. Search on either Anvil Studio or midi (leave off editor) Buffy ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren R. Jason <wjason@...> To: <disklavier@egroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 1:27 PM Subject: [disklavier] Playing piano parts incorrectly > Buffy, > > I suspected as much, but I have a few clarifying questions. Are BOTH > channels one AND two piano? Does it matter which one you change to? Do you > have to spend hundreds of dollars on Cakewalk to perform this edit, or is > there a cheaper utility for this limited purpose? Is the change very > simple, or do you have to change each note? I'm no MIDI expert and don't > want to take on a huge learning curve. If it's a simple command to do the > job, no problem, but I can't spend hours editing MIDI files. > > Also, how do I know which channel the piano is mis-located on, so I can move > it to channel one or two? > > Thanks, > > Warren > > -----Original Message----- > From: Buffy [mailto:buffy@...] > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 4:55 AM > To: disklavier@egroups.com > Subject: [disklavier] Re: New Addition to Vault ---this email has 2 > nonmidi attachments as well > > > If you use a midi editor you will find that the channels are set for > something other > than the piano. I have a five year old MX100 and I have to change > everything to channel one > and two in order to get it to play all the notes. I have to be careful not > to include > drums or snares or percussion. Sounds wild with them. > > Buffy > > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren R. Jason [mailto:wjason@...] > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 6:15 AM > To: disklavier@... > Cc: Todd Muncy > Subject: [disklavier] Re: New Addition to Vault ---this email has 2 > nonmidi attachments as well > > > I have a question for my fellow members: > > Why is it that many of the MIDI files I download from the Internet, when > played on my piano, don't actually play the piano part on the keyboard and > pedals? Instead, the piano part plays via the synthesizer as would the > rhythm parts or other instruments. Often, there will be several songs that > play properly, yet others that don't, from the very same download set. The > "Billy Joel" zip file in the vault is an example. Most of the songs play > correctly, but a few synthesize the piano part instead of playing the > keyboard. Any notion of what's happening? > > Warren > > -----Original Message----- > From: Barry Dubner [mailto:cspringb@...] > Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 7:21 PM > To: disklavier@... > Cc: Todd Muncy > Subject: [disklavier] New Addition to Vault ---this email has 2 nonmidi > attachments as well > > > Hello to all; hope you are all having a great holiday. > > I just uploaded a file to the vault entitled "Disney Edit". This contains > 26 selections that were derived from a variety of internet sites (but mainly > from www.dismusic.com ). The files were heavily edited in many cases--I used > cakewalk and veloset for the most part. I must have started with close to > triple the final amount of songs but kept only those that I felt sounded the > best. > > The first 24 files are mostly piano but the last two files have sparse > piano. I included these files---Raiders of the Lost Ark (included in this > collection because Disney's MGM Studio has a Raiders audience participation > show) and Under the Sea (from Lion King) because they sounded incredible on > my DC2S. If you feel they don't go along with the rest of the disk, simply > delete these two and you'll have a disk where all selections are entirely or > mostly piano. > > I have attached the song list as a word pad document to this email. If you > print it out exactly as is, it makes an excellent label for the disk. As you > can see in the enclosed picture (sorry it is out of focus, but I don't have > close-up capabilities on my old digital camera), it fits perfectly onto a > standard floppy disk. Just in case people have problems with the > attachments, I will also enclose the song list at the end of the body of > this letter below. > > Although it took a lot of work making, I greatly enjoyed putting together > this file. As the father of an 18 month son and with another child on the > way, I hope my family enjoys this disk for years to come. I hope all of you > also get enjoyment from these songs. > > I'd also like to thank Todd Muncy again for the tremendous effort he has put > into forming this group. While I've only had my disklavier for three months, > I've been able to start on a pretty diverse collection, thanks in part to > this group. > > Lastly I'd like to wish everyone a happy and healthy holiday season. > > Barry > > > Heres the playlist (but as I discuss above, print out the wordpad doc for a > fitted label): > > Disney Music--Disklavier Edited > ************************************** > 1.When You Wish Upon a Star 2.Mickey Mouse March > 3.Winnie the Pooh 4.Be Our Guest 5.Bare Necessities > 6.Its a Small World 7.Something There 8.Beauty and > the Beast 9.Bibidibo 10.Chimchimcheree 11.Great > Big Beautiful Tomorrow 12.Mine ( from Pocohantas) > 13.Once Upon a Dream 14.One Jump 15.Heigh-ho > 16.Zipadeedoodah 17.You'll Be in My Heart > 18. 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[disklavier] Re: Playing piano parts incorrectly
1999-12-22 by Jack Schueler