Jack,
Boy, that really explained it (long winded or not). I change anything that
I will want to play on the piano. For expample - if it is a harpsichord and
guitar, I will want all of that music to play on the piano because one may
be a continuo and the other have the melody. If it becomes so jumble and a
bad sound, I go back and re-arrange till I get what I want and then I
convert to ESQ.
By the way, I am fairly new at it. So if I ever mislead, I am sorry. I now
know how to do it properly.
Here is a question for the group. I use Cakewalk express Gold 8.0 that came
with my sound card. When I ask for sheet music, it has a staff for each
line. I want to be able to score it for piano and voice. Does any body
know of a software that will score it for two hands and voice on piano????
Buffy (always learning) Hunt
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Schueler <Jack.Schueler@...>
To: <disklavier@egroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 3:41 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Playing piano parts incorrectly
> I can add some information about MIDI files and the Disklavier.
>
> A "normal" Yamaha disk will have the left hand piano notes in channel 1,
> the right hand notes in channel 2 (or is it vice versa), and pedalling
> information in channel 3. You have the ability from your control
> panel to cancel either left or right hand. I believe this is for
> those who are learning and want to play one hand while
> the Disklavier plays the other.
>
> If you have a midi file where the left and right hands are in separate
> channels then leave them this way but make sure to move them to
> 1 and 2. For example, I have midi files from PG Music that have the
> piano left hand and right hand in channels 8 and 9. I moved 8 to 1
> and 9 to 2, rather than combine 8 and 9 into 1. This way I still have
> the ability to use the control panel cancel part feature.
>
> Now my disklavier has the ability to select channels 8 and 9 as
> piano parts but I have to do this manually (which is a pain in the b*).
> The newer disklaviers, from what I understand, can automatically
> identify channels that contain piano parts and will play them. But
> then the channel must contain a "program" command (i.e.,
> "program Piano") to identify the channel as a Piano part).
>
> The midi files that I have from PG Music that are purely piano
> (i.e., no drums, etc.) don't include a "program" command.
> So as the midi files are set up, a MIDI player such as the one
> I use on my personal computer would play channels 8 and 9
> using whatever program or voice (not necessarily piano) was
> last assigned for that channel. Thus I might end up hearing
> something like an OBOE playing channel 8 and a GUITAR
> playing channel 9 (and it'll sound awful).
>
> Ideally, the MIDI files that we want for the Disklavier would use
> channel 1 and 2 for the piano notes, channel 3 for pedalling
> information (which might or might not exist depending on
> how the MIDI file was recorded), channels 4, 5, etc for all
> other instruments with channel 10 always used for drum kits.
> And they would contain "program piano" commands so
> that we can audition the midi file on a PC without having
> to go and reset the voices for all channels. Yamaha describes
> a sort of standard setup for MIDI files and it would be nice
> if everyone followed this but they don't and that's why we
> usually have to work over the MIDI files that you find on the
> Internet. Some of the Disklavier submissions don't follow
> this standard either (likely due to the newer Disklaviers
> being a little bit smarter than older ones). The missing
> "program piano" commands is the most common
> problem (for PC's not the DIsklavier) since I like to listen
> to them on my PC before going through the work of
> transfering them to diskette.
>
> After this long-winded discussion, you might recognize that the
> following post is not quite correct.
>
> > When you open a midi file with an editor you will know what to do. It
is
> > real simple, however, just look for the channel and change anything that
is
> > 3 and above to 1 or 2.
>
> You would only move a channel containing a piano part (or program)
> to 1 or 2. And if channels 1 and 2 are already occupied with, for
> example, a Jazz guitar and a Bass guitar, then you'll have to move
> them to another channel (an unused channel). It can get quite
> complex if all channels are in use. I use Nagler's MIDI utilities
> to convert MIDI to simple text and then use a text editor to switch
> the channels around (you can tell that I'm a software programmer).
> But any decent MIDI sequencer/editor program should allow you
> to do this with some making it easier to do than others.
>
> Ah, the joys of working with MIDI. Have fun.
>
> Jack Schueler
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Taxi" <buffy@...> on 01/03/2000 02:05:28 PM
>
> Please respond to disklavier@egroups.com
>
> To: disklavier@egroups.com
> cc: (bcc: Jack Schueler/SYBASE)
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: Playing piano parts incorrectly
>
>
>
>
> On Tucows, Anvil Studio, is a midi editor. Search on either Anvil Studio
or
> midi (leave off editor)
>
> Buffy
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Warren R. Jason <wjason@...>
> To: <disklavier@egroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 1:27 PM
> Subject: [disklavier] Playing piano parts incorrectly
>
>
> > Buffy,
> >
> > I suspected as much, but I have a few clarifying questions. Are BOTH
> > channels one AND two piano? Does it matter which one you change to? Do
> you
> > have to spend hundreds of dollars on Cakewalk to perform this edit, or
is
> > there a cheaper utility for this limited purpose? Is the change very
> > simple, or do you have to change each note? I'm no MIDI expert and
don't
> > want to take on a huge learning curve. If it's a simple command to do
the
> > job, no problem, but I can't spend hours editing MIDI files.
> >
> > Also, how do I know which channel the piano is mis-located on, so I can
> move
> > it to channel one or two?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Warren
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Buffy [mailto:buffy@...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 4:55 AM
> > To: disklavier@egroups.com
> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: New Addition to Vault ---this email has 2
> > nonmidi attachments as well
> >
> >
> > If you use a midi editor you will find that the channels are set for
> > something other
> > than the piano. I have a five year old MX100 and I have to change
> > everything to channel one
> > and two in order to get it to play all the notes. I have to be careful
> not
> > to include
> > drums or snares or percussion. Sounds wild with them.
> >
> > Buffy
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Warren R. Jason [mailto:wjason@...]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 6:15 AM
> > To: disklavier@...
> > Cc: Todd Muncy
> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: New Addition to Vault ---this email has 2
> > nonmidi attachments as well
> >
> >
> > I have a question for my fellow members:
> >
> > Why is it that many of the MIDI files I download from the Internet, when
> > played on my piano, don't actually play the piano part on the keyboard
and
> > pedals? Instead, the piano part plays via the synthesizer as would the
> > rhythm parts or other instruments. Often, there will be several songs
> that
> > play properly, yet others that don't, from the very same download set.
> The
> > "Billy Joel" zip file in the vault is an example. Most of the songs
play
> > correctly, but a few synthesize the piano part instead of playing the
> > keyboard. Any notion of what's happening?
> >
> > Warren
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Barry Dubner [mailto:cspringb@...]
> > Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 7:21 PM
> > To: disklavier@...
> > Cc: Todd Muncy
> > Subject: [disklavier] New Addition to Vault ---this email has 2 nonmidi
> > attachments as well
> >
> >
> > Hello to all; hope you are all having a great holiday.
> >
> > I just uploaded a file to the vault entitled "Disney Edit". This
contains
> > 26 selections that were derived from a variety of internet sites (but
> mainly
> > from www.dismusic.com ). The files were heavily edited in many cases--I
> used
> > cakewalk and veloset for the most part. I must have started with close
to
> > triple the final amount of songs but kept only those that I felt sounded
> the
> > best.
> >
> > The first 24 files are mostly piano but the last two files have sparse
> > piano. I included these files---Raiders of the Lost Ark (included in
> this
> > collection because Disney's MGM Studio has a Raiders audience
> participation
> > show) and Under the Sea (from Lion King) because they sounded incredible
> on
> > my DC2S. If you feel they don't go along with the rest of the disk,
simply
> > delete these two and you'll have a disk where all selections are
entirely
> or
> > mostly piano.
> >
> > I have attached the song list as a word pad document to this email. If
> you
> > print it out exactly as is, it makes an excellent label for the disk. As
> you
> > can see in the enclosed picture (sorry it is out of focus, but I don't
> have
> > close-up capabilities on my old digital camera), it fits perfectly onto
a
> > standard floppy disk. Just in case people have problems with the
> > attachments, I will also enclose the song list at the end of the body of
> > this letter below.
> >
> > Although it took a lot of work making, I greatly enjoyed putting
together
> > this file. As the father of an 18 month son and with another child on
the
> > way, I hope my family enjoys this disk for years to come. I hope all of
> you
> > also get enjoyment from these songs.
> >
> > I'd also like to thank Todd Muncy again for the tremendous effort he has
> put
> > into forming this group. While I've only had my disklavier for three
> months,
> > I've been able to start on a pretty diverse collection, thanks in part
to
> > this group.
> >
> > Lastly I'd like to wish everyone a happy and healthy holiday season.
> >
> > Barry
> >
> >
> > Heres the playlist (but as I discuss above, print out the wordpad doc
for
> a
> > fitted label):
> >
> > Disney Music--Disklavier Edited
> > **************************************
> > 1.When You Wish Upon a Star 2.Mickey Mouse March
> > 3.Winnie the Pooh 4.Be Our Guest 5.Bare Necessities
> > 6.Its a Small World 7.Something There 8.Beauty and
> > the Beast 9.Bibidibo 10.Chimchimcheree 11.Great
> > Big Beautiful Tomorrow 12.Mine ( from Pocohantas)
> > 13.Once Upon a Dream 14.One Jump 15.Heigh-ho
> > 16.Zipadeedoodah 17.You'll Be in My Heart
> > 18. Wonderful Things About Tiggers 19.Whistle While
> > You Work 20.Supercalifragilistic 21.Pirates of the
> > Carribean 22.Can You Feel the Love Tonight 23.Part
> > Of Your World 24.TikiTiki Room 25.Raiders of the
> > Lost Ark 26.Under the Sea
> >
> >
> >
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