Jack, Boy, that really explained it (long winded or not). I change anything that I will want to play on the piano. For expample - if it is a harpsichord and guitar, I will want all of that music to play on the piano because one may be a continuo and the other have the melody. If it becomes so jumble and a bad sound, I go back and re-arrange till I get what I want and then I convert to ESQ. By the way, I am fairly new at it. So if I ever mislead, I am sorry. I now know how to do it properly. Here is a question for the group. I use Cakewalk express Gold 8.0 that came with my sound card. When I ask for sheet music, it has a staff for each line. I want to be able to score it for piano and voice. Does any body know of a software that will score it for two hands and voice on piano???? Buffy (always learning) Hunt ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Schueler <Jack.Schueler@...> To: <disklavier@egroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 3:41 PM Subject: [disklavier] Re: Playing piano parts incorrectly > I can add some information about MIDI files and the Disklavier. > > A "normal" Yamaha disk will have the left hand piano notes in channel 1, > the right hand notes in channel 2 (or is it vice versa), and pedalling > information in channel 3. You have the ability from your control > panel to cancel either left or right hand. I believe this is for > those who are learning and want to play one hand while > the Disklavier plays the other. > > If you have a midi file where the left and right hands are in separate > channels then leave them this way but make sure to move them to > 1 and 2. For example, I have midi files from PG Music that have the > piano left hand and right hand in channels 8 and 9. I moved 8 to 1 > and 9 to 2, rather than combine 8 and 9 into 1. This way I still have > the ability to use the control panel cancel part feature. > > Now my disklavier has the ability to select channels 8 and 9 as > piano parts but I have to do this manually (which is a pain in the b*). > The newer disklaviers, from what I understand, can automatically > identify channels that contain piano parts and will play them. But > then the channel must contain a "program" command (i.e., > "program Piano") to identify the channel as a Piano part). > > The midi files that I have from PG Music that are purely piano > (i.e., no drums, etc.) don't include a "program" command. > So as the midi files are set up, a MIDI player such as the one > I use on my personal computer would play channels 8 and 9 > using whatever program or voice (not necessarily piano) was > last assigned for that channel. Thus I might end up hearing > something like an OBOE playing channel 8 and a GUITAR > playing channel 9 (and it'll sound awful). > > Ideally, the MIDI files that we want for the Disklavier would use > channel 1 and 2 for the piano notes, channel 3 for pedalling > information (which might or might not exist depending on > how the MIDI file was recorded), channels 4, 5, etc for all > other instruments with channel 10 always used for drum kits. > And they would contain "program piano" commands so > that we can audition the midi file on a PC without having > to go and reset the voices for all channels. Yamaha describes > a sort of standard setup for MIDI files and it would be nice > if everyone followed this but they don't and that's why we > usually have to work over the MIDI files that you find on the > Internet. Some of the Disklavier submissions don't follow > this standard either (likely due to the newer Disklaviers > being a little bit smarter than older ones). The missing > "program piano" commands is the most common > problem (for PC's not the DIsklavier) since I like to listen > to them on my PC before going through the work of > transfering them to diskette. > > After this long-winded discussion, you might recognize that the > following post is not quite correct. > > > When you open a midi file with an editor you will know what to do. It is > > real simple, however, just look for the channel and change anything that is > > 3 and above to 1 or 2. > > You would only move a channel containing a piano part (or program) > to 1 or 2. And if channels 1 and 2 are already occupied with, for > example, a Jazz guitar and a Bass guitar, then you'll have to move > them to another channel (an unused channel). It can get quite > complex if all channels are in use. I use Nagler's MIDI utilities > to convert MIDI to simple text and then use a text editor to switch > the channels around (you can tell that I'm a software programmer). > But any decent MIDI sequencer/editor program should allow you > to do this with some making it easier to do than others. > > Ah, the joys of working with MIDI. Have fun. > > Jack Schueler > > > > > > > "Taxi" <buffy@...> on 01/03/2000 02:05:28 PM > > Please respond to disklavier@egroups.com > > To: disklavier@egroups.com > cc: (bcc: Jack Schueler/SYBASE) > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Playing piano parts incorrectly > > > > > On Tucows, Anvil Studio, is a midi editor. Search on either Anvil Studio or > midi (leave off editor) > > Buffy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Warren R. Jason <wjason@...> > To: <disklavier@egroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 1:27 PM > Subject: [disklavier] Playing piano parts incorrectly > > > > Buffy, > > > > I suspected as much, but I have a few clarifying questions. Are BOTH > > channels one AND two piano? Does it matter which one you change to? Do > you > > have to spend hundreds of dollars on Cakewalk to perform this edit, or is > > there a cheaper utility for this limited purpose? Is the change very > > simple, or do you have to change each note? I'm no MIDI expert and don't > > want to take on a huge learning curve. If it's a simple command to do the > > job, no problem, but I can't spend hours editing MIDI files. > > > > Also, how do I know which channel the piano is mis-located on, so I can > move > > it to channel one or two? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Warren > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Buffy [mailto:buffy@...] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 4:55 AM > > To: disklavier@egroups.com > > Subject: [disklavier] Re: New Addition to Vault ---this email has 2 > > nonmidi attachments as well > > > > > > If you use a midi editor you will find that the channels are set for > > something other > > than the piano. I have a five year old MX100 and I have to change > > everything to channel one > > and two in order to get it to play all the notes. I have to be careful > not > > to include > > drums or snares or percussion. Sounds wild with them. > > > > Buffy > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Warren R. Jason [mailto:wjason@...] > > Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 1999 6:15 AM > > To: disklavier@... > > Cc: Todd Muncy > > Subject: [disklavier] Re: New Addition to Vault ---this email has 2 > > nonmidi attachments as well > > > > > > I have a question for my fellow members: > > > > Why is it that many of the MIDI files I download from the Internet, when > > played on my piano, don't actually play the piano part on the keyboard and > > pedals? Instead, the piano part plays via the synthesizer as would the > > rhythm parts or other instruments. Often, there will be several songs > that > > play properly, yet others that don't, from the very same download set. > The > > "Billy Joel" zip file in the vault is an example. Most of the songs play > > correctly, but a few synthesize the piano part instead of playing the > > keyboard. Any notion of what's happening? > > > > Warren > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Barry Dubner [mailto:cspringb@...] > > Sent: Monday, December 20, 1999 7:21 PM > > To: disklavier@... > > Cc: Todd Muncy > > Subject: [disklavier] New Addition to Vault ---this email has 2 nonmidi > > attachments as well > > > > > > Hello to all; hope you are all having a great holiday. > > > > I just uploaded a file to the vault entitled "Disney Edit". This contains > > 26 selections that were derived from a variety of internet sites (but > mainly > > from www.dismusic.com ). The files were heavily edited in many cases--I > used > > cakewalk and veloset for the most part. I must have started with close to > > triple the final amount of songs but kept only those that I felt sounded > the > > best. > > > > The first 24 files are mostly piano but the last two files have sparse > > piano. I included these files---Raiders of the Lost Ark (included in > this > > collection because Disney's MGM Studio has a Raiders audience > participation > > show) and Under the Sea (from Lion King) because they sounded incredible > on > > my DC2S. If you feel they don't go along with the rest of the disk, simply > > delete these two and you'll have a disk where all selections are entirely > or > > mostly piano. > > > > I have attached the song list as a word pad document to this email. If > you > > print it out exactly as is, it makes an excellent label for the disk. As > you > > can see in the enclosed picture (sorry it is out of focus, but I don't > have > > close-up capabilities on my old digital camera), it fits perfectly onto a > > standard floppy disk. Just in case people have problems with the > > attachments, I will also enclose the song list at the end of the body of > > this letter below. > > > > Although it took a lot of work making, I greatly enjoyed putting together > > this file. As the father of an 18 month son and with another child on the > > way, I hope my family enjoys this disk for years to come. I hope all of > you > > also get enjoyment from these songs. > > > > I'd also like to thank Todd Muncy again for the tremendous effort he has > put > > into forming this group. While I've only had my disklavier for three > months, > > I've been able to start on a pretty diverse collection, thanks in part to > > this group. > > > > Lastly I'd like to wish everyone a happy and healthy holiday season. > > > > Barry > > > > > > Heres the playlist (but as I discuss above, print out the wordpad doc for > a > > fitted label): > > > > Disney Music--Disklavier Edited > > ************************************** > > 1.When You Wish Upon a Star 2.Mickey Mouse March > > 3.Winnie the Pooh 4.Be Our Guest 5.Bare Necessities > > 6.Its a Small World 7.Something There 8.Beauty and > > the Beast 9.Bibidibo 10.Chimchimcheree 11.Great > > Big Beautiful Tomorrow 12.Mine ( from Pocohantas) > > 13.Once Upon a Dream 14.One Jump 15.Heigh-ho > > 16.Zipadeedoodah 17.You'll Be in My Heart > > 18. 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[disklavier] Re: Playing piano parts incorrectly
1999-12-22 by Buffy