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Re: gray market disklaviers (was owners manual)

2007-08-28 by rondisklavier

I guess it will crack into small pieces....:))
It just does not make sense, does it!!!


--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, John Isella <jjisella@...> wrote:
>
> So what do I do with my Disklavier that I have here in Florida 
when I  
> move to Phoenix?
> 
> 
> 
> On Aug 28, 2007, at 8:16 AM, Carol Beigel wrote:
> 
> > Would be nice maybe, but that is not how it works.  It is 
extremely
> > difficult to get Disklavier parts in the US for graymarket 
units.   
> > The piano
> > parts are often different as their dimensions are not always 
the  
> > same.  The
> > pianos will not hold up very well in dryness caused by central 
heating
> > systems.
> >
> > The electronic parts are not UL approved and therefore can 
create a
> > liability for the supplier.  On a gray market Disklavier, many  
> > connections
> > are soldered and not easy to repair; but their made-for-the US  
> > counterparts
> > have nice little connectors on both the circuit boards and the 
wires.
> >
> > Mostly people who import gray market pianos are smaller 
operators and
> > wholesalers.  They are not bound by Yamaha's service bonds with 
their
> > dealers.
> >
> > And lastly, Yamaha is not just one big corporation.  The U.S.  
> > Division, the
> > Canadian, the Japanese, etc. divisions are completely 
independent  
> > from one
> > another.  They do not have a central supplier.  Pianos are made  
> > differently
> > for these different markets because it costs a lot more money 
to  
> > make a
> > piano for a country that has homes whose moisture contents is 
very low
> > during winter.
> >
> > In my opinion as a piano and Disklavier technician, I would 
never  
> > recommend
> > purchasing a graymarket piano or Disklavier.  Those up front 
supposed
> > savings can be a huge headache if the piano ever needs 
servicing.   
> > One good
> > thunderstorm can wipe out your investment.
> >
> > Carol Beigel
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "rondisklavier" <setiawansr@...>
> > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 1:46 AM
> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: gray market disklaviers (was owners 
manual)
> >
> >
> >> I really believe people also can get gray Yamaha parts easily 
from
> >> abroad. If they can import such a humagous piano, importing 
small
> >> parts should not be a problem. Therefore, I really do not think 
that
> >> people need to worry about buying gray pianos, especially if the
> >> price is very reasonable. I myself just bought MX100II made for 
US.
> >> I personally do not want to have unnecessary hazels if my piano 
is
> >> broken and need to get parts from outside of the US. But for 
those
> >> who have bought gray pianos, I do not think that it is the end 
of
> >> the world if their pianos are broken. The chance of Yamaha 
pianos go
> >> bad is very small.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "George F. Litterst"
> >> <PianoBench@> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Good evening, everyone.
> >>>
> >>> I don't know the details about how parts are controlled. 
However,
> >> my
> >>> local piano technician tells me that he is required to produce 
a
> >>> serial number when he orders a part from Yamaha.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> PianoBench
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Aug 27, 2007, at 11:51 PM, rondisklavier wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "George F. Litterst"
> >>>> <PianoBench@> wrote:
> >>>> I have another question "How does Yamaha know whether they are
> >>>> selling parts to fix a gray market piano?". Does Yamaha only 
sell
> >>>> parts through their dealers?
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you purchase a piano that was not made for North America,
> >> you
> >>>>> cannot get parts and service from Yamaha Corporation of
> >> America.
> >>>> And,
> >>>>> it is advisable to keep up the relative humidity in your home
> >>>> year
> >>>>> round.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> PianoBench
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 26, 2007, at 11:57 PM, rondisklavier wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I always have question regarding the statement below. How
> >> Yamaha
> >>>>>> manufactured for special market, for example US. US climate
> >> is
> >>>> not one
> >>>>>> climate. There are as many climate as those of in Asia (from
> >>>> South
> >>>>>> East Asia to Japan). In addition, when I was in my senior
> >> year in
> >>>>>> college, I had a practical training in Yamaha factory in
> >> Jakarta,
> >>>>>> Indonesia, and I was not aware that they make different
> >> pianos
> >>>> for
> >>>>>> different climates.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" 
<carolrpt@>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Their
> >>>>>>> products are manufactured specifically for different
> >> markets.
> >>>> The
> >>>>>> pianos in
> >>>>>>> particular are not interchangeable!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Carol Beigel
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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