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Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

2007-11-14 by kgoroway

<sorry if this is a duplicate>

Neal, everything there is to be said about this project is on this
thread (and a bit more in the README file in the project).

You can download the project right from this yahoo group:

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/disklavier/files/All%20new%20uploads%20go%20here%21/

It's called DKVBrowser.rar

You are correct that it runs on a PC that is part of the wifi network
that the Mark IV makes available.

-Kevin

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Neal Polan" <carwizard@...> wrote:
>
> Second request.
> 
> I think what you are doing is fantastic. Can you fill me in? It
sounds like
> this runs on a PC that's part of the wifi network that the Disklavier is
> hooked to. Could you please point me in the right direction for
trying this
> and knowing what going on?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Neal
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of Kevin Goroway
> Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:27 AM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
> 
>  
> 
> Glad you are enjoying it.  You can change album and song titles for
anything
> in the pianosoft or user catalog in verion 0.2 (uploaded last night).
> 
> Drag and drop from the computer to the piano is already supported by the
> piano (assuming you are connected to it's physical networking port
somehow),
> and isn't a feature that the interface DKVBrowser is sitting on top of
> provides.  I should probably support the to/from piano folder though.
> 
> -Kevin
> 
> Cheetham <cheetham@...> wrote:
> 
> Kevin,
> This is great being able to control the piano from my office via the 
> computer. 
> Is the ability to change song titles already built in or are you 
> working on that? Using the PDA to do this is painfully slow.
> Alos wonder if you plan to add drag and drop from a computer folder 
> to the piano?
> Great job and thanks to the Christopoher and Matthew at UCI for 
> starting this.
> Howard
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogro <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com>
ups.com,
> hugofon@ wrote:
> >
> > Kevin,
> > 
> > I think it would be a good idea if the playlists?on the PDA can be 
> copied to DKVBrowser.??And you are right about the PDA being 
> clunky.....?So if DKVBrowser can support drag and drop playlists 
> similar to most of the media players out there, it would be a great 
> time saving tool to create new playlists suitable for the mood of the 
> evening.? Would it be possible for the DKVBrowser playlists to be 
> copied to the PDA/piano?? I am not really sure?if that information is 
> stored on the PDA or the piano.
> > 
> > Editing the song info in the Browser would indeed be a nice feature 
> to have too.? I remember reading many previous posts with questions 
> about editing the metadata of the songs.? It sounds like the 
> possibilities are endless here.? 
> > 
> > I did not have an issue with the IP address.? My laptop?was 
> configured to accept DHCP assignment, and the Disklavier access point 
> assigned the same dummy IP of 192.168.88.14 to my wireless card every 
> time a connection was made.??I also noticed that?a connection could 
> be made even when the paino was?in standby mode. Perhaps the access 
> point was simply waiting for the PDA to be turned on.? Also, by 
> launching the DKVBrowser and searching for softwares, the piano came 
> out of the standby mode and could start playing.
> > 
> > Please keep up the good work.? Thanks again.
> > 
> > Hugo
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@>
> > To: disklavier@yahoogro <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
> > Sent: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 8:08 am
> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
> > 
> > 
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> > 
> > Wow, Hugo, thank you!
> > 
> > I was really concerned that it wouldn't work at all, so this is 
> really encouraging!
> > 
> > How would you envision the playlists working?? Just mimic the 
> playlists that are already on the piano?? That might be simplest.? 
> Since I'm so new to the piano itself, I haven't played with playlists 
> at all.? The PDA/table interface feels clunky, so I'd really like 
> DKVBrowser to evolve into something that supports drag and drop to 
> create playlists.? Also, editing of song titles, etc. right in the 
> browser would be nice as well.
> > 
> > -Kevin
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: "hugofon@" <hugofon@>
> > To: disklavier@yahoogro <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:40:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Kevin,
> > 
> > 
> > I just tried your alpha release.? Wow, it works great on my DC2 
> Mark IV. I don't have any problem at all.? I have a database of 
> approximately 500 songs on the hard drive, and the browser produces a 
> very accurate list of my softwares.? 
> > 
> > 
> > I have been following this discussion closely, but I have not 
> participated in the discussion as I am really not a computer guy and 
> have nothing techical to contribute.? Thank you so much for taking 
> your time to work on this project.? Your work is greatly 
> appreciated.? I can't wait for your future releases with more 
> functionalities. ..... Perhaps a playlist or my favorites would be 
> wonderful.? Thanks again.
> > 
> > Hugo
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com>
> > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 4:23 pm
> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
> > 
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> > 
> > Well, I uploaded the alpha release.
> > 
> > Please try it out and let me know how it goes.? This is my first 
> ever java app, and getting these things into a working jar file was 
> an experience!? The uploaded rar file includes the swt.jar for 
> windows, with instructions for where to find it for other operating 
> systems.
> > 
> > It's pretty crude at the moment, and doesn't yet support exporting 
> the data.? There's probably lots of other things it doesn't support 
> as well, since I have limited experience with the piano itself.? It 
> also has only been tested against my piano which has very little 
> data, so I don't know how well it behaves with HUGE databases.? Okay, 
> enough disclaimers. ..Have fun!
> > 
> > -Kevin
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
> > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 6:00:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I believe <remake_db/> is sent when a usb drive is inserted or 
> removed.? There may be some attributes on there that tell you which 
> db, or it might be something like "Update your local cache of the db 
> now".? 
> > If you make a query while the software is building the table, you 
> will see the songs that have been added at that point in time.? This 
> shouldn't be of much concern; it usually only takes 30 sec to add 
> everything to the songs table, even for large amounts of files on a 
> drive. 
> > 
> > I don't think there was a column for artist.? If there was, I think 
> it contained the same info as the title.? But yes, Yamaha seems to 
> put the artist within the title.? I believe you can set the comment 
> on the song and album using the PRC's keyboard.? Hardly anyone would 
> want to though - quite a laborious task poking tiny buttons.? I also 
> seem to remember being able to set the songs rating from 1 to 5 stars 
> using the PRC/TRC.? Never investigated that much personally though. 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote: 
> > 
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> > Matthew,
> > 
> > I'm at work, so I can't check now, but does the piano send any 
> notification of when it has finished building the table? 
> > 
> > I've seen <remake_db /> come out for both the CD and the FD even 
> though there was nothing mounted.
> > 
> > Any way to query for what is already mounted? 
> > 
> > Otherwise...
> > 
> > There had been a request for the ability to search by artist, but I 
> don't see anything explicit in the schema for artist.? It looks like 
> it is normally stored as part of the song title (judging from the 
> demos).? This will work fine with my current search. 
> > 
> > The fields which might be interesting to search by are as follows:
> > song filename (already done)
> > song rating (is there any current way to give a song a rating?? If 
> not, I wouldn't want to assume one and break a future release.)
> > song "your_record" (No idea what is here, maybe nothing, and no way 
> to set it? 
> > song comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)
> > song title (already done)
> > song subtitle (already done)
> > song genre (is there any way to enter this currently?)
> > album rating (see song rating)
> > album comment (is there any way to enter this currently?) 
> > album title (already done)
> > album subtitle (are these used?)
> > 
> > Anyway, adding others is trivial at this point.? So, I'll have to 
> investigate what is in the database when I get home.
> > 
> > -Kevin
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
> > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:27:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The tables for each media (ex. usb_album and usb_song) are only 
> created when that media is inserted.? It takes a few seconds for the 
> software to create the table, so if you insert and immediately query, 
> you will miss results.? The tables are recreated each insertion.? 
> This is discussed more in our paper. 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway < kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote: 
> > 
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> > 
> > I made a bunch of progress last night.? Search is fully 
> implemented, and works great (and FAST).? Of course, my database is 
> tiny compared to some of yours, so I'll have to get some feedback 
> from those of you who try it. 
> > 
> > I did expect the USB and FLOPPY tables to exist in the database 
> even when they weren't mounted...but that turned out not to be the 
> case.? So, tonight I have to work on some code to understand when 
> those are mounted and when they aren't. 
> > 
> > I have no plans to support the copying of files between the 
> sources, especially the protected ones.? 
> > 
> > Release this weekend (as an alpha version) is looking quite likely.
> > 
> > -Kevin
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@nc. rr.com >
> > 
> > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> > 
> > 
> > Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:29:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for 
> MKIV 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Kevin,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It is scenario no. 3 below that describes how my Mark IV is 
> connected.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Again, thanks for working on this and I look forward to ultimately 
> trying out your work when you are ready to release it. ? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Tom
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Well, one of things everyone will need to understand is the 
> requirements for using it...so no harm in leaving it in this thread 
> for now.
> > 
> > I still think we have some confusion over what you are seeing on 
> wireless.? So, let me try again. 
> > 
> > Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your computer, you have 
> nothing connected to your DKV's ethernet port.
> > 
> > In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you that there is a 
> wireless access point out there, and you can hop on it, but there is 
> nothing to be found.? And, you have no access whatsoever to the 
> To/From PC folder. 
> > 
> > Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire connection to your 
> router/switch from the DKV's ethernet port.
> > 
> > Like the first scenario, but now you have access to the To/From PC 
> folder.
> > 
> > Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless hardware to 
> the DKV's ethernet port, turning it into a wireless device. 
> > 
> > In this situation, your wireless card has 2 choices.? One is the 
> access point connected to the DKV's ethernet port, the other is the 
> access point that the PDA/Tablet use.? If your wireless card attached 
> to one, you'll see the To/From PC folder, if it attaches to the 
> other...there' s nothing to be found. 
> > 
> > Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can use the software, 
> just as long as you can convince your wireless card to hop onto the 
> access point that is there for the PDA.
> > 
> > Your wife can certainly contact me directly.? I plan to put the 
> searching in this weekend, and have the source code ready for release 
> before Monday.? (although you threw in the new feature of being able 
> to search by artist which I hadn't considered. :-)? ) 
> > 
> > -Kevin
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