Disklavier

On Wed, 24 Oct 2007, JORGE FERNANDEZ wrote:

> Thanks Kevin.
> 
> Even I don't have a Mark IV DKV (may be will never have one) this
> information is very interesting and of great technical value to some of the
> software "gurus" in the group.
> 
> If any of you have a computer software background, I suggest you to follow
> the link.
> 2007/10/24, kgoroway <kgoroway@...>:
> >
> >   First, a brief introduction. I've already posted once to the list,
> > but without introducing myself.
> >
> > I've recently taken delivery of a DGC1b (Mark 3, with record). We
> > love it. I've spent that last few weeks researching everything I
> > could about this piano, and the Disklavier. We've had it about 3
> > weeks, but, long story short, we are swapping it out for a DC3M4t in
> > the next week or so. I've taken the past few days to read the last few
> > thousand posts in this group. :-)
> >
> > One thing that I didn't find mentioned is this project (maybe I just
> > missed it?)
> >
> > http://music.arts.uci.edu/dobrian/disklavier/
> >
> > It seems very promising. Has anyone heard anything further about this?

>
> First, a brief introduction.  I've already posted once to the list,
> but without introducing myself.
> 
> I've recently taken delivery of a DGC1b (Mark 3, with record).  We
> love it.  I've spent that last few weeks researching everything I
> could about this piano, and the Disklavier.  We've had it about 3
> weeks, but, long story short, we are swapping it out for a DC3M4t in
> the next week or so. I've taken the past few days to read the last few
> thousand posts in this group. :-)
> 
> One thing that I didn't find mentioned is this project (maybe I just
> missed it?)
> 
> http://music.arts.uci.edu/dobrian/disklavier/
> 
> It seems very promising.  Has anyone heard anything further about this?
> 
> Thanks.
> -Kevin
>

> I *do* have a software background...that's why I'm so intrigued.  I've 
> contacted the authors of the paper to see if there has been any progress.
>
> I wonder also if anyone has ever tried mounting the harddrive from the 
> MKIV on a pc running RedHat to see what's there that's visible.  I 
> also wonder how hard it would be to swap out the standard harddrive 
> with a much larger one after moving everything onto the new drive.  Is 
> the drive SATA, or ATA?  Is it a standard 3.5" or is it a laptop drive?
>
> -Kevin
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: JORGE FERNANDEZ <jorgefedez@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 11:39:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
>
> Thanks Kevin.
>
> Even I don't have a Mark IV DKV (may be will never have one) this 
> information is very interesting and of great technical value to some 
> of the software "gurus" in the group.
>
> If any of you have a computer software background, I suggest you 
> to follow the link.
>
>
> 2007/10/24, kgoroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com <mailto:kgoroway@...>>:
>
>     First, a brief introduction. I've already posted once to the list,
>     but without introducing myself.
>
>     I've recently taken delivery of a DGC1b (Mark 3, with record). We
>     love it. I've spent that last few weeks researching everything I
>     could about this piano, and the Disklavier. We've had it about 3
>     weeks, but, long story short, we are swapping it out for a DC3M4t in
>     the next week or so. I've taken the past few days to read the last
>     few
>     thousand posts in this group. :-)
>
>     One thing that I didn't find mentioned is this project (maybe I just
>     missed it?)
>
>     http://music. arts.uci. edu/dobrian/ disklavier/
>     <http://music.arts.uci.edu/dobrian/disklavier/>
>
>     It seems very promising. Has anyone heard anything further about this?
>
>     Thanks.
>     -Kevin
>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Saludos
> Jorge Fern\ufffdndez
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> >
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> >
> >
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----- Original Message ----
From: athomik <mail@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2007 3:57:57 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            



I've barely looked at LINUX, so I'm not sure how useful it is, but there is some code available at 



 



http://www.global. yamaha.com/ download/ disklavier_ markiv/





athomik



On Oct 24 2007, James Fry wrote: 



>I also have a software background (and some hardware experience) and 

>took a look at the MarkIV software.

>

>The MarkIV doesn't run RedHat, its an embedded distribution based on 

>Redhat (as are many distros) that runs on a non-x86 cpu. Mounting the 

>disk is likely easy, but not very useful. You can see quite a lot of 

>stuff on the MarkIV install CDs, but I don't think there is anything 

>useful there for the hobbyist hoping to make a PC based controller - its 

>all for a different CPU, and all of the useful software is proprietary 

>Yamaha software and will likely have licensing restriction. There are 

>some playable media files there, but nothing interesting.

>





    
  

    
    




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> 
> I have inspected the software of version 1.2 downloadable from Yamaha
> site and I found only software used to develop the one used inside DKV.
> Nothing useful to know how DKV works.
> 
> On the contrary the application downloadable at Irvine site is really
> a giant step forward to control DKV remotely.
> 
> Would you consider to open a specific topic discussion on this matter?
> I hope so.
> 
> I hope to contribute to this project.
> 
> Roberto
>

> > Nothing useful to know how DKV works.
> > 
> > On the contrary the application downloadable at Irvine site is really
> > a giant step forward to control DKV remotely.
> > 
> > Would you consider to open a specific topic discussion on this matter?
> > I hope so.
> > 
> > I hope to contribute to this project.
> > 
> > Roberto
> >
>

----- Original Message ----
From: ipermedia <r.fasciani@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, October 26, 2007 4:34:20 AM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            Maybe something more specific than "Alternative to tablet and PDA for

MKIV" could be easier for newsgroup readers to understand what we are

talking about. But sincerely I can't find a good text for it.



I hope the author will answer to your message soon, even to know if

they are working on the project.



About Sourceforge: good idea. But before to start maybe it's better to

get a wish-list on this topic from this newsgroup to discuss the goals

. And we need to collect a wider support of people before to jump

there. Consider that it's difficult to find people that own DKV (and

interested in this project) outside this newsgroup. 



About Flash: maybe it's the weakest tech in the project. It's a

proprietary language not very fitted to these purpouses, but probably

the easiest way to produce an interface without a deep programming.

The use of Flash inside SourceForge seems a bit off topic.... I'm not

sure it could be allowed there because SourceForge allows only open

languages. Maybe a porting into Java would be better. But we have to

find help from people skilled on it.



Roberto



--- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, "kgoroway" <kgoroway@.. .> wrote:

>

> It seems like this topic has already turned into a specific discussion

> on this matter, or were you talking about something else?

> 

> I've tried to contact the author, but have not heard anything back.

> 

> I've asked them if they are willing to move the project to

> SourceForge, for example, so it would be easy for multiple people to

> contribute.  The fact that they "welcome" changes, and provide the

> source makes me think that if they don't respond, we can just go ahead

> and do that anyway (put it on SourceForge) .  I've already started

> gathering information on Flash so that I can make sense of what

> they've done.  

> 

> -Kevin

> 

> 

> --- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, "ipermedia" <r.fasciani@ > wrote:

> >

> > It seems that the page from Irvine University and the paper related

> > open a new scenario for people interested (like me) in a wider use

> of DKV.

> > 

> > I have inspected the software of version 1.2 downloadable from Yamaha

> > site and I found only software used to develop the one used inside

DKV.

> > Nothing useful to know how DKV works.

> > 

> > On the contrary the application downloadable at Irvine site is really

> > a giant step forward to control DKV remotely.

> > 

> > Would you consider to open a specific topic discussion on this matter?

> > I hope so.

> > 

> > I hope to contribute to this project.

> > 

> > Roberto

> >

>





    
  

    
    




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>
> WOW! Lot of interesting news in this thread!
> I may say a brand new one: I just received from Yamaha a CD, a floppy
> disc and a manual with Version 2.10 printed outside!!!!
> 
> I live in Europe and I was afraid this version never comes out.
> Files inside the CD are aged half of August 2007. It seems different
> from your USA version.
> Let me enlist the new features like in the manual:
> ______________________________________________
> NEW FEATURES for DKV MIV series - vers. 2.10
> -- compatible with Interenet data connection (IDC)
> -DisklavierRadio
> -DisklavierMusicStore
> -Network Update to connect Internet
> 
> -- compatible with PianoSoft-PlusGraphics Software
> 
> -- file exchange capability between the dkv and PC
> _______________________________________________
> 
> Please let me know what it's different in your 2.0 version. 
> I am really curious.
> 
> The trouble is that my DKV is out of order and I cannot update and try
> it!!
> A week ago a restart begins not to end, leaving flashing the main
> button in I/O center and the first button on the right as well.
> usually the other 4 buttons light on and then off together. In my dkv
> it remains still without ending boot process.
> Many restart, no sign of start. Obviously the remote control doesn't
> work too.
> I'm waiting for a Yamaha call-back. I hope they will send soon a new
> Mediacenter, as happens in your country. My dkv has only 2 months and
> computer parts (and expecially hard disk) have more risk to reveal a
> problem in the very first stages. It happens.
> 
> About the project in this topic I totally agree that Flash is a
> choiche devoted to a skill in the classroom. The most important clue
> is the protocol and a readable source code, maybe other languages
> could fit better.
> But prior to that we need an architecture and before that to define
> the goal.
> Maybe a PC (or MAC or Linux) could be a good dispatcher to make DKVs
> II-II-IV work in the proper way using Internet, Internet Radio, file
> operations and playing control, creating play-lists, scheduling of
> midi to play, arranging melodies, sync with events from environment or
> other midi sources and so on. Maybe more then that.
> Yamaha could be interested in keep all that to avoid midi exchange but
> maybe a good planned system could interest Yamaha too.
> Maybe a prosumer project as happens in social networks....
> 
> I didn't know (thanks Mark)DKV competitors, very interesting.  
> I hope that competition makes more MIDI available at a reasonable price.
> 
> Please, go on enlisting the features of what we would like to play on DKV!
> 
> Roberto
> 
> P.S.: if my DKV was working this post would have been shorter.... :-)
>

> > 
> > Roberto
> > 
> > P.S.: if my DKV was working this post would have been shorter.... :-)
> >
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>

----- Original Message ----
From: mrmuk7 <mrmuk7@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:40:56 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            Hello all,



I'm certainly surprised and pleased to see such enthusiasm regarding

our software controller for the Disklavier.  I never expected anyone

to actually scrutinize those development notes I made while working on

the project :-)



As Chris mentioned, we choose Flash initially because we suspected the

original software used Flash due to its transparency effects and

animations.  It also seemed like a good choice because it had a built

in class called XMLSocket which would conveniently send XML on ports >

1024, just like the original software.  It is too bad we never got

access to some of Yamaha's UI Elements; with those in place, the

software would have a much more familiar feel to less technical users.



In retrospect, I do agree that the overall architecture of the

software is somewhat of a hack due to the java backend running in a

separate process.  Note that this whole thing was thrown together in

about 4 months with only one person working on it, and no help from

Yamaha, so I had little time to evaluate and implement a more elegant

solution. 



We had already invested a large amount of time in Flash when I

realized I needed a direct database connection.  I couldn't find any

free Flash plugins/source that could send SQL statements

synchronously.  A few existed, but they cost money, and we wanted the

software to be completely free and redistributable.  To get around

this problem, I implemented the Java backend, which of course takes

XML from the Flash app, restructures it into a query, and then sends

the results back to the Flash app asynchronously. 



If members here are interested in rearchitecting the program, I would

 be wary of Flash.  It is not what I would consider an elegant or

powerful language.  Even the simplest tasks took hours to accomplish,

and in the version I was using (Flash 8), there were very annoying

bugs.  For example, in certain cases, the program compilation is

actually affected by where you place comments in the code! 

Ridiculous, I know.  That's not to say that if you didn't use Flash,

you couldn't make a pretty interface.  There are a lot of great

alternatives now that look as good, if not better, than Flash...

including things you can do with WPF 3.0 and Silverlight (though I

haven't worked with them first-hand myself).



When we were asking Yamaha if we could publish the paper disclosing

details of their software, they mentioned that they might incorporate

additional security precautions in future versions.  I don't know if

that is a good or bad thing, but I certainly hope they keep the

protocol open and easy for third party devs to access.  Plus, judging

by their current history of software releases, this shouldn't happen

any time soon.



Regardless of Yamaha's position, a community of Disklavier users

enthusiastic about improving the capabilities of their instrument will

only serve to promote Yamaha's product.  I'll be happy to stop by here

every so often and provide any insight I can.  I do work full time now

doing software development, so when I come home at the end of the day,

writing software is usually quite low on my activity list; but I still

live near the University and will be happy to support any development

efforts that commence (testing, troubleshooting, different firmwares,

etc).



I can help you get the software working if you would be so kind as to

post details such as: firmware version, PostgreSQL JDBC driver

version, java version, exact error messages, and the like.  I know of

at least 3 people around the world that have got it working successfully.



Thanks for your interest!





    
  

    
    




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----- Original Message ----
From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2007 8:07:13 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            
Matt, and Chris,

Thanks so much for joining our conversation!  The background is very interesting.

Matt, I think you've done a wonderful job under the circumstances, and it's opened up a world of possibilities.

I'm wrapping up a pure java implementation that doesn't try to mimic the PRC at all.  Instead it's basically a song and album browser (with search capabilities) and the ability to play them once you find them.  I'm also planning to include the ability to dump your songs and albums to a CSV file so you can move them wherever you'd like (excel, access, whatever), and a rudimentary reporting view so that you can at least get a hardcopy of what you have on your
 Disklavier.  

Like Matt, I program for a living (well, mostly manage now), and with 3 kids at home I don't get much time to write code when I get there...besides, I also want to actually play piano! :-)  So, it may take a little while to actually wrap this up, but it's already got some real functionality.  I plan to release it as source so that others can continue it, and hopefully flesh it out to be more of a tablet/pda replacement.

Thanks again for joining us, and any insight you can provide would be most helpful!

-Kevin

----- Original Message ----
From: mrmuk7 <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:40:56 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









    
            Hello all,



I'm certainly surprised and pleased to see such enthusiasm regarding

our software controller for the Disklavier.  I never expected anyone

to actually scrutinize those development notes I made while working on

the project :-)



As Chris mentioned, we choose Flash initially because we suspected the

original software used Flash due to its transparency effects and

animations.  It also seemed like a good choice because it had a built

in class called XMLSocket which would conveniently send XML on ports >

1024, just like the original software.  It is too bad we never got

access to some of Yamaha's UI Elements; with those in place, the

software would have a much more familiar feel to less technical users.



In retrospect, I do agree that the overall architecture of the

software is somewhat of a hack due to the java backend running in a

separate process.  Note that this whole thing was thrown together in

about 4 months with only one person working on it, and no help from

Yamaha, so I had little time to evaluate and implement a more elegant

solution. 



We had already invested a large amount of time in Flash when I

realized I needed a direct database connection.  I couldn't find any

free Flash plugins/source that could send SQL statements

synchronously.  A few existed, but they cost money, and we wanted the

software to be completely free and redistributable.  To get around

this problem, I implemented the Java backend, which of course takes

XML from the Flash app, restructures it into a query, and then sends

the results back to the Flash app asynchronously. 



If members here are interested in rearchitecting the program, I would

 be wary of Flash.  It is not what I would consider an elegant or

powerful language.  Even the simplest tasks took hours to accomplish,

and in the version I was using (Flash 8), there were very annoying

bugs.  For example, in certain cases, the program compilation is

actually affected by where you place comments in the code! 

Ridiculous, I know.  That's not to say that if you didn't use Flash,

you couldn't make a pretty interface.  There are a lot of great

alternatives now that look as good, if not better, than Flash...

including things you can do with WPF 3.0 and Silverlight (though I

haven't worked with them first-hand myself).



When we were asking Yamaha if we could publish the paper disclosing

details of their software, they mentioned that they might incorporate

additional security precautions in future versions.  I don't know if

that is a good or bad thing, but I certainly hope they keep the

protocol open and easy for third party devs to access.  Plus, judging

by their current history of software releases, this shouldn't happen

any time soon.



Regardless of Yamaha's position, a community of Disklavier users

enthusiastic about improving the capabilities of their instrument will

only serve to promote Yamaha's product.  I'll be happy to stop by here

every so often and provide any insight I can.  I do work full time now

doing software development, so when I come home at the end of the day,

writing software is usually quite low on my activity list; but I still

live near the University and will be happy to support any development

efforts that commence (testing, troubleshooting, different firmwares,

etc).



I can help you get the software working if you would be so kind as to

post details such as: firmware version, PostgreSQL JDBC driver

version, java version, exact error messages, and the like.  I know of

at least 3 people around the world that have got it working successfully.



Thanks for your interest!





    
  








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----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 9:07:27 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            Hi Kevin, 

When you say you've been unable to get our software to work, do you mean specifically the command that switches albums/songs fails, or no commands work?  

We tested the software with firmware 2.0
 and it appeared to work.  Perhaps you are using the 2.1 firmware?  Does the connection on port 3191 connect successfully?

The PRC and TRC used to send an identifier along with their messages to the piano.  Our software did not supply an identifier, with no ill effects.  But that is probably why it is prompting you to upgrade :-).  Cute.


You shouldnt have to install Linux just to sniff wireless traffic.  I used Ethereal on Windows and it worked great.

Matthew


On 11/6/07, Kevin Goroway
 <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:












  


    
            
Update on my progress.

All of the database stuff that I've tried has been pretty simple, so the ability to fetch albums and songs is pretty much complete.


I ran into quite a bit of difficulty once I tried controlling the piano from my java app though (this uses a separate connection).  I can make it do a lot of the simple things (play, stop, etc), but I can't select a different song/album.  It seems that the research paper and project are either out of date (I've been unable to make the project itself work), or I'm just doing something wrong.  What's there already though works well.  The UI and Socket are on separate threads, and there is a thread that heartbeats "<active/>"
 with the piano every 3 seconds.

I did notice that the piano is sending me XML that indicates that I should pop up a message box informing the user that the software is out of date running version "too old to tell", and that they should update to 
2.0.  :-)  That makes me wonder how much of the protocol has changed.

So, I've ended up having to install linux so I can get a wireless card into "monitor" mode so that I can sniff the traffic.  I'll do that tonight to try to solve the simplest of cases (waking up from standby, and selecting an album/song).


-Kevin

----- Original Message ----
From: Kevin Goroway <
kgoroway@yahoo. com>
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Friday, November 2, 2007 8:07:13 AM

Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re:
 Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









    
            
Matt, and Chris,


Thanks so much for joining our conversation!  The background is very interesting.

Matt, I think you've done a wonderful job under the circumstances, and it's opened up a world of possibilities.

I'm wrapping up a pure java implementation that doesn't try to mimic the PRC at all.  Instead it's basically a song and album browser (with search capabilities) and the ability to play them once you find them.  I'm also planning to include the ability to dump your songs and albums to a CSV file so you can move them wherever you'd like (excel, access, whatever), and a rudimentary reporting view so that you can at least get a hardcopy of what you have on your
 Disklavier.  

Like Matt, I program for a living (well, mostly manage now), and with 3 kids at home I don't get much time to write code when I get there...besides, I also want to actually play piano! :-)  So, it may take a little while to actually wrap this up, but it's already got some real functionality.  I plan to release it as source so that others can continue it, and hopefully flesh it out to be more of a tablet/pda replacement.


Thanks again for joining us, and any insight you can provide would be most helpful!

-Kevin


----- Original Message ----
From: mrmuk7 <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
To: disklavier@yahoogro 
ups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:40:56 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









    
            Hello all,



I'm certainly surprised and pleased to see such enthusiasm regarding

our software controller for the Disklavier.  I never expected anyone

to actually scrutinize those development notes I made while working on

the project :-)



As Chris mentioned, we choose Flash initially because we suspected the

original software used Flash due to its transparency effects and

animations.  It also seemed like a good choice because it had a built

in class called XMLSocket which would conveniently send XML on ports >

1024, just like the original software.  It is too bad we never got

access to some of Yamaha's UI Elements; with those in place, the

software would have a much more familiar feel to less technical users.



In retrospect, I do agree that the overall architecture of the

software is somewhat of a hack due to the java backend running in a

separate process.  Note that this whole thing was thrown together in

about 4 months with only one person working on it, and no help from

Yamaha, so I had little time to evaluate and implement a more elegant

solution. 



We had already invested a large amount of time in Flash when I

realized I needed a direct database connection.  I couldn't find any

free Flash plugins/source that could send SQL statements

synchronously.  A few existed, but they cost money, and we wanted the

software to be completely free and redistributable.  To get around

this problem, I implemented the Java backend, which of course takes

XML from the Flash app, restructures it into a query, and then sends

the results back to the Flash app asynchronously. 



If members here are interested in rearchitecting the program, I would

 be wary of Flash.  It is not what I would consider an elegant or

powerful language.  Even the simplest tasks took hours to accomplish,

and in the version I was using (Flash 8), there were very annoying

bugs.  For example, in certain cases, the program compilation is

actually affected by where you place comments in the code! 

Ridiculous, I know.  That's not to say that if you didn't use Flash,

you couldn't make a pretty interface.  There are a lot of great

alternatives now that look as good, if not better, than Flash...

including things you can do with WPF 3.0 and Silverlight (though I

haven't worked with them first-hand myself).



When we were asking Yamaha if we could publish the paper disclosing

details of their software, they mentioned that they might incorporate

additional security precautions in future versions.  I don't know if

that is a good or bad thing, but I certainly hope they keep the

protocol open and easy for third party devs to access.  Plus, judging

by their current history of software releases, this shouldn't happen

any time soon.



Regardless of Yamaha's position, a community of Disklavier users

enthusiastic about improving the capabilities of their instrument will

only serve to promote Yamaha's product.  I'll be happy to stop by here

every so often and provide any insight I can.  I do work full time now

doing software development, so when I come home at the end of the day,

writing software is usually quite low on my activity list; but I still

live near the University and will be happy to support any development

efforts that commence (testing, troubleshooting, different firmwares,

etc).



I can help you get the software working if you would be so kind as to

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----- Original Message ----
From: ipermedia <r.fasciani@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2007 8:15:53 AM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            Hi Kevin,

please let me know about your progress in this develop, I hope to

contribute as soon as mu DKV will work again.

Thanks



Roberto



--- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@.. .> wrote:

>

> Matt, I'm going to reply to this directly since it's probably

outside the scope of this group...

> 

> But here's an update for anyone following along.

> 

> I got my linux installation working, and was able to sniff the

traffic.  I have a good capture now, and I can try to find out why I

am unable to do some of the things I want to do.  

> 

> I did notice something very interesting that I hadn't seen mentioned

before.  It turns out that the tablet interface interacts with the

piano differently from the PDA.  I hadn't expected this at all, but

instead of using XML to request album information, the tablet instead

uses HTTP to access a php page on the server.  I'm surprised they

bothered to have two ways to query the same information.  Since it's

noise in my captures at the moment, I plan to turn off the tablet and

concentrate on the PDA.  I hope to revisit the tablet interface to see

if there is anything more interesting there.

> 

> -Kevin

> 

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@...>

> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

> Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 9:07:27 PM

> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>   

> 

> 

>     

>             Hi Kevin, 

> 

> When you say you've been unable to get our software to work, do you

mean specifically the command that switches albums/songs fails, or no

commands work?  

> 

> We tested the software with firmware 2.0

>  and it appeared to work.  Perhaps you are using the 2.1 firmware? 

Does the connection on port 3191 connect successfully?

> 

> The PRC and TRC used to send an identifier along with their messages

to the piano.  Our software did not supply an identifier, with no ill

effects.  But that is probably why it is prompting you to upgrade :-).

 Cute.

> 

> 

> You shouldnt have to install Linux just to sniff wireless traffic. 

I used Ethereal on Windows and it worked great.

> 

> Matthew

> 

> 

> On 11/6/07, Kevin Goroway

>  <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>   

> 

> 

>     

>             

> Update on my progress.

> 

> All of the database stuff that I've tried has been pretty simple, so

the ability to fetch albums and songs is pretty much complete.

> 

> 

> I ran into quite a bit of difficulty once I tried controlling the

piano from my java app though (this uses a separate connection).  I

can make it do a lot of the simple things (play, stop, etc), but I

can't select a different song/album.  It seems that the research paper

and project are either out of date (I've been unable to make the

project itself work), or I'm just doing something wrong.  What's there

already though works well.  The UI and Socket are on separate threads,

and there is a thread that heartbeats "<active/>"

>  with the piano every 3 seconds.

> 

> I did notice that the piano is sending me XML that indicates that I

should pop up a message box informing the user that the software is

out of date running version "too old to tell", and that they should

update to 

> 2.0.  :-)  That makes me wonder how much of the protocol has changed.

> 

> So, I've ended up having to install linux so I can get a wireless

card into "monitor" mode so that I can sniff the traffic.  I'll do

that tonight to try to solve the simplest of cases (waking up from

standby, and selecting an album/song).

> 

> 

> -Kevin

> 

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: Kevin Goroway <

> kgoroway@yahoo. com>

> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2007 8:07:13 AM

> 

> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re:

>  Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>     

>             

> Matt, and Chris,

> 

> 

> Thanks so much for joining our conversation!  The background is very

interesting.

> 

> Matt, I think you've done a wonderful job under the circumstances,

and it's opened up a world of possibilities.

> 

> I'm wrapping up a pure java implementation that doesn't try to mimic

the PRC at all.  Instead it's basically a song and album browser (with

search capabilities) and the ability to play them once you find them.

 I'm also planning to include the ability to dump your songs and

albums to a CSV file so you can move them wherever you'd like (excel,

access, whatever), and a rudimentary reporting view so that you can at

least get a hardcopy of what you have on your

>  Disklavier.  

> 

> Like Matt, I program for a living (well, mostly manage now), and

with 3 kids at home I don't get much time to write code when I get

there...besides, I also want to actually play piano! :-)  So, it may

take a little while to actually wrap this up, but it's already got

some real functionality.  I plan to release it as source so that

others can continue it, and hopefully flesh it out to be more of a

tablet/pda replacement.

> 

> 

> Thanks again for joining us, and any insight you can provide would

be most helpful!

> 

> -Kevin

> 

> 

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: mrmuk7 <mrmuk7@gmail. com>

> To: disklavier@yahoogro 

> ups.com

> Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:40:56 PM

> Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>     

>             Hello all,

> 

> 

> 

> I'm certainly surprised and pleased to see such enthusiasm regarding

> 

> our software controller for the Disklavier.  I never expected anyone

> 

> to actually scrutinize those development notes I made while working on

> 

> the project :-)

> 

> 

> 

> As Chris mentioned, we choose Flash initially because we suspected the

> 

> original software used Flash due to its transparency effects and

> 

> animations.  It also seemed like a good choice because it had a built

> 

> in class called XMLSocket which would conveniently send XML on ports >

> 

> 1024, just like the original software.  It is too bad we never got

> 

> access to some of Yamaha's UI Elements; with those in place, the

> 

> software would have a much more familiar feel to less technical users.

> 

> 

> 

> In retrospect, I do agree that the overall architecture of the

> 

> software is somewhat of a hack due to the java backend running in a

> 

> separate process.  Note that this whole thing was thrown together in

> 

> about 4 months with only one person working on it, and no help from

> 

> Yamaha, so I had little time to evaluate and implement a more elegant

> 

> solution. 

> 

> 

> 

> We had already invested a large amount of time in Flash when I

> 

> realized I needed a direct database connection.  I couldn't find any

> 

> free Flash plugins/source that could send SQL statements

> 

> synchronously.  A few existed, but they cost money, and we wanted the

> 

> software to be completely free and redistributable.  To get around

> 

> this problem, I implemented the Java backend, which of course takes

> 

> XML from the Flash app, restructures it into a query, and then sends

> 

> the results back to the Flash app asynchronously. 

> 

> 

> 

> If members here are interested in rearchitecting the program, I would

> 

>  be wary of Flash.  It is not what I would consider an elegant or

> 

> powerful language.  Even the simplest tasks took hours to accomplish,

> 

> and in the version I was using (Flash 8), there were very annoying

> 

> bugs.  For example, in certain cases, the program compilation is

> 

> actually affected by where you place comments in the code! 

> 

> Ridiculous, I know.  That's not to say that if you didn't use Flash,

> 

> you couldn't make a pretty interface.  There are a lot of great

> 

> alternatives now that look as good, if not better, than Flash...

> 

> including things you can do with WPF 3.0 and Silverlight (though I

> 

> haven't worked with them first-hand myself).

> 

> 

> 

> When we were asking Yamaha if we could publish the paper disclosing

> 

> details of their software, they mentioned that they might incorporate

> 

> additional security precautions in future versions.  I don't know if

> 

> that is a good or bad thing, but I certainly hope they keep the

> 

> protocol open and easy for third party devs to access.  Plus, judging

> 

> by their current history of software releases, this shouldn't happen

> 

> any time soon.

> 

> 

> 

> Regardless of Yamaha's position, a community of Disklavier users

> 

> enthusiastic about improving the capabilities of their instrument will

> 

> only serve to promote Yamaha's product.  I'll be happy to stop by here

> 

> every so often and provide any insight I can.  I do work full time now

> 

> doing software development, so when I come home at the end of the day,

> 

> writing software is usually quite low on my activity list; but I still

> 

> live near the University and will be happy to support any development

> 

> efforts that commence (testing, troubleshooting, different firmwares,

> 

> etc).

> 

> 

> 

> I can help you get the software working if you would be so kind as to

> 

> post details such as: firmware version, PostgreSQL JDBC driver

> 

> version, java version, exact error messages, and the like.  I know of

> 

> at least 3 people around the world that have got it working

successfully.

> 

> 

> 

> Thanks for your interest!

> 

> 

> 

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Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 10:35:23 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            


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----- Original Message ----
From: jheitzeb1 <jheitzeb1@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 11:04:57 AM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            What makes your program any different than using the pda with your MKIV?



Thanks,

Joan



--- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@.. .> wrote:

>

> Roberto,

> 

> I plan to continue to update the group on my progress (until I'm told to cut it out :-) ).

> 

> I did have a breakthrough last night.  I found out why I couldn't select songs to play.  I 

was sending the piano the song_id and the album_id (which seemed to make perfect 

sense), but the piano wants the album_id and the song sequence number, so, for example, 

"play the third song from album 1024"

> 

> I've got it all working now so I can peruse the pianosoft and the user sections as a tree-

view, select the song I want to hear, and press play.  It's actually quite fun.  The piano 

does have a natural behavior that is a bit counter-intuitive. ..Once you play a song, the 

piano will continue to play the next song on the album when that one is finished, and it 

will keep on going...No big deal, really.

> 

> The software needs some more things.  The ability to search with wildcards, support for 

the other "folders" (usb, floppy, etc), the ability to export the database, and ability to print 

a report on the database.  Ultimately, I'd REALLY love for it to be able to update the 

database (just the simple notion of correcting spelling/case/ titles would be great!).  I think 

this is also trivial though.  There's really nothing on the list that is difficult at all....it's all 

just time.

> 

> That being said, I'd love to release this even as is so people can start playing with it...but 

how many of you are even interested?  It also has absolutely no error checking in it at all, 

currently.

> 

> -Kevin

> 

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: ipermedia <r.fasciani@ ...>

> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

> Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2007 8:15:53 AM

> Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

>   

> 

> 

>     

>             Hi Kevin,

> 

> please let me know about your progress in this develop, I hope to

> 

> contribute as soon as mu DKV will work again.

> 

> Thanks

> 

> 

> 

> Roberto

> 

> 

> 

> --- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@ .> wrote:

> 

> >

> 

> > Matt, I'm going to reply to this directly since it's probably

> 

> outside the scope of this group...

> 

> > 

> 

> > But here's an update for anyone following along.

> 

> > 

> 

> > I got my linux installation working, and was able to sniff the

> 

> traffic.  I have a good capture now, and I can try to find out why I

> 

> am unable to do some of the things I want to do.  

> 

> > 

> 

> > I did notice something very interesting that I hadn't seen mentioned

> 

> before.  It turns out that the tablet interface interacts with the

> 

> piano differently from the PDA.  I hadn't expected this at all, but

> 

> instead of using XML to request album information, the tablet instead

> 

> uses HTTP to access a php page on the server.  I'm surprised they

> 

> bothered to have two ways to query the same information.  Since it's

> 

> noise in my captures at the moment, I plan to turn off the tablet and

> 

> concentrate on the PDA.  I hope to revisit the tablet interface to see

> 

> if there is anything more interesting there.

> 

> > 

> 

> > -Kevin

> 

> > 

> 

> > ----- Original Message ----

> 

> > From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@>

> 

> > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

> 

> > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 9:07:27 PM

> 

> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> >   

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> >     

> 

> >             Hi Kevin, 

> 

> > 

> 

> > When you say you've been unable to get our software to work, do you

> 

> mean specifically the command that switches albums/songs fails, or no

> 

> commands work?  

> 

> > 

> 

> > We tested the software with firmware 2.0

> 

> >  and it appeared to work.  Perhaps you are using the 2.1 firmware? 

> 

> Does the connection on port 3191 connect successfully?

> 

> > 

> 

> > The PRC and TRC used to send an identifier along with their messages

> 

> to the piano.  Our software did not supply an identifier, with no ill

> 

> effects.  But that is probably why it is prompting you to upgrade :-).

> 

>  Cute.

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > You shouldnt have to install Linux just to sniff wireless traffic. 

> 

> I used Ethereal on Windows and it worked great.

> 

> > 

> 

> > Matthew

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > On 11/6/07, Kevin Goroway

> 

> >  <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> >   

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> >     

> 

> >             

> 

> > Update on my progress.

> 

> > 

> 

> > All of the database stuff that I've tried has been pretty simple, so

> 

> the ability to fetch albums and songs is pretty much complete.

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > I ran into quite a bit of difficulty once I tried controlling the

> 

> piano from my java app though (this uses a separate connection).  I

> 

> can make it do a lot of the simple things (play, stop, etc), but I

> 

> can't select a different song/album.  It seems that the research paper

> 

> and project are either out of date (I've been unable to make the

> 

> project itself work), or I'm just doing something wrong.  What's there

> 

> already though works well.  The UI and Socket are on separate threads,

> 

> and there is a thread that heartbeats "<active/>"

> 

> >  with the piano every 3 seconds.

> 

> > 

> 

> > I did notice that the piano is sending me XML that indicates that I

> 

> should pop up a message box informing the user that the software is

> 

> out of date running version "too old to tell", and that they should

> 

> update to 

> 

> > 2.0.  :-)  That makes me wonder how much of the protocol has changed.

> 

> > 

> 

> > So, I've ended up having to install linux so I can get a wireless

> 

> card into "monitor" mode so that I can sniff the traffic.  I'll do

> 

> that tonight to try to solve the simplest of cases (waking up from

> 

> standby, and selecting an album/song).

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > -Kevin

> 

> > 

> 

> > ----- Original Message ----

> 

> > From: Kevin Goroway <

> 

> > kgoroway@yahoo. com>

> 

> > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

> 

> > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2007 8:07:13 AM

> 

> > 

> 

> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re:

> 

> >  Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

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> > 

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> > 

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> > 

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> > 

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> > 

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> > 

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> >     

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> >             

> 

> > Matt, and Chris,

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > Thanks so much for joining our conversation!  The background is very

> 

> interesting.

> 

> > 

> 

> > Matt, I think you've done a wonderful job under the circumstances,

> 

> and it's opened up a world of possibilities.

> 

> > 

> 

> > I'm wrapping up a pure java implementation that doesn't try to mimic

> 

> the PRC at all.  Instead it's basically a song and album browser (with

> 

> search capabilities) and the ability to play them once you find them.

> 

>  I'm also planning to include the ability to dump your songs and

> 

> albums to a CSV file so you can move them wherever you'd like (excel,

> 

> access, whatever), and a rudimentary reporting view so that you can at

> 

> least get a hardcopy of what you have on your

> 

> >  Disklavier.  

> 

> > 

> 

> > Like Matt, I program for a living (well, mostly manage now), and

> 

> with 3 kids at home I don't get much time to write code when I get

> 

> there...besides, I also want to actually play piano! :-)  So, it may

> 

> take a little while to actually wrap this up, but it's already got

> 

> some real functionality.  I plan to release it as source so that

> 

> others can continue it, and hopefully flesh it out to be more of a

> 

> tablet/pda replacement.

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > Thanks again for joining us, and any insight you can provide would

> 

> be most helpful!

> 

> > 

> 

> > -Kevin

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > ----- Original Message ----

> 

> > From: mrmuk7 <mrmuk7@gmail. com>

> 

> > To: disklavier@yahoogro 

> 

> > ups.com

> 

> > Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:40:56 PM

> 

> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

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> > 

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> > 

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> >     

> 

> >             Hello all,

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > I'm certainly surprised and pleased to see such enthusiasm regarding

> 

> > 

> 

> > our software controller for the Disklavier.  I never expected anyone

> 

> > 

> 

> > to actually scrutinize those development notes I made while working on

> 

> > 

> 

> > the project :-)

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > As Chris mentioned, we choose Flash initially because we suspected the

> 

> > 

> 

> > original software used Flash due to its transparency effects and

> 

> > 

> 

> > animations.  It also seemed like a good choice because it had a built

> 

> > 

> 

> > in class called XMLSocket which would conveniently send XML on ports >

> 

> > 

> 

> > 1024, just like the original software.  It is too bad we never got

> 

> > 

> 

> > access to some of Yamaha's UI Elements; with those in place, the

> 

> > 

> 

> > software would have a much more familiar feel to less technical users.

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > In retrospect, I do agree that the overall architecture of the

> 

> > 

> 

> > software is somewhat of a hack due to the java backend running in a

> 

> > 

> 

> > separate process.  Note that this whole thing was thrown together in

> 

> > 

> 

> > about 4 months with only one person working on it, and no help from

> 

> > 

> 

> > Yamaha, so I had little time to evaluate and implement a more elegant

> 

> > 

> 

> > solution. 

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> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > We had already invested a large amount of time in Flash when I

> 

> > 

> 

> > realized I needed a direct database connection.  I couldn't find any

> 

> > 

> 

> > free Flash plugins/source that could send SQL statements

> 

> > 

> 

> > synchronously.  A few existed, but they cost money, and we wanted the

> 

> > 

> 

> > software to be completely free and redistributable.  To get around

> 

> > 

> 

> > this problem, I implemented the Java backend, which of course takes

> 

> > 

> 

> > XML from the Flash app, restructures it into a query, and then sends

> 

> > 

> 

> > the results back to the Flash app asynchronously. 

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> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > If members here are interested in rearchitecting the program, I would

> 

> > 

> 

> >  be wary of Flash.  It is not what I would consider an elegant or

> 

> > 

> 

> > powerful language.  Even the simplest tasks took hours to accomplish,

> 

> > 

> 

> > and in the version I was using (Flash 8), there were very annoying

> 

> > 

> 

> > bugs.  For example, in certain cases, the program compilation is

> 

> > 

> 

> > actually affected by where you place comments in the code! 

> 

> > 

> 

> > Ridiculous, I know.  That's not to say that if you didn't use Flash,

> 

> > 

> 

> > you couldn't make a pretty interface.  There are a lot of great

> 

> > 

> 

> > alternatives now that look as good, if not better, than Flash...

> 

> > 

> 

> > including things you can do with WPF 3.0 and Silverlight (though I

> 

> > 

> 

> > haven't worked with them first-hand myself).

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > When we were asking Yamaha if we could publish the paper disclosing

> 

> > 

> 

> > details of their software, they mentioned that they might incorporate

> 

> > 

> 

> > additional security precautions in future versions.  I don't know if

> 

> > 

> 

> > that is a good or bad thing, but I certainly hope they keep the

> 

> > 

> 

> > protocol open and easy for third party devs to access.  Plus, judging

> 

> > 

> 

> > by their current history of software releases, this shouldn't happen

> 

> > 

> 

> > any time soon.

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > Regardless of Yamaha's position, a community of Disklavier users

> 

> > 

> 

> > enthusiastic about improving the capabilities of their instrument will

> 

> > 

> 

> > only serve to promote Yamaha's product.  I'll be happy to stop by here

> 

> > 

> 

> > every so often and provide any insight I can.  I do work full time now

> 

> > 

> 

> > doing software development, so when I come home at the end of the day,

> 

> > 

> 

> > writing software is usually quite low on my activity list; but I still

> 

> > 

> 

> > live near the University and will be happy to support any development

> 

> > 

> 

> > efforts that commence (testing, troubleshooting, different firmwares,

> 

> > 

> 

> > etc).

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> > 

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> > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > I can help you get the software working if you would be so kind as to

> 

> > 

> 

> > post details such as: firmware version, PostgreSQL JDBC driver

> 

> > 

> 

> > version, java version, exact error messages, and the like.  I know of

> 

> > 

> 

> > at least 3 people around the world that have got it working

> 

> successfully.

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> > Thanks for your interest!

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On Nov 8, 2007, at 11:57 AM, Kevin Goroway wrote:

> Well, one might argue that it's much worse, since it doesn't support  
> most of what the PDA does.
>
> It's what it can do (in the near future) that the PDA can't, though,  
> that makes it interesting.
> 1) search for songs and albums.  You know you've got "chopsticks"  
> saved on there somewhere, but you've completely forgotten where.   
> Type in chopsticks, and there it is...Click on it to play.
> 2) Ability to print out a catalog of what you've got stored on your  
> DKV.  Have a large library on there?  Want to present a list of  
> what's available to some visitors?  Hand them the printout.
>
> The list can go on and on...It's also MUCH faster than the PDA, and  
> has a whole lot more screen space to display album/song  
> titles...though (in my case) it requires going to a different room,  
> since I'm not doing this on a laptop. :-(
>
> There's also the following possibility, which I haven't investigated  
> yet.
>
> Let's say you have a large MIDI library on your computer, but you  
> haven't moved it to your DKV (for whatever reason).  You also don't  
> have a MIDI connection between your computer and your DKV.  I think  
> I can let you point the software are a folder filled with MIDI files  
> on the computer, and have the DKV play them.  Here's how I imagine  
> it would work.
> a) computer copies file to the piano's from/to pc folder
> b) computer forces DKV to "refresh" it's from/to pc folder
> c) computer tells DKV to start playing that file
> d) when song is finished, computer removes file from piano's from/to  
> pc folder
> e) lather/rinse/repeat
>
> -Kevin
>
>

----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 12:43:07 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            Kevin,


I have been following the status results on your program for using a computer as a substitute for the Mark IV's PDA with great interest.  I want to thank you for posting your results here and for offering to make the software available.  I am definitely interested. 


I have owned a DC3M4t since they were introduced into the U.S. in November 2004. I have a huge collection of both Yamaha purchased software and midi files stored on the 80 GB internal HD of my DC3M4t.  In fact, I have so much software on the internal HD that it is filled and I have not purchased any additional software now for over two years while I wait for Yamaha to introduce a larger HD for the Mark IV -- something Yamaha appears to show no interest in doing!  I have also pleaded with Yamaha through many e-mails to update the software for the Mark IV with a keyword search function so that one can find a song or artist among such a huge collection as that stored on my internal HD.  This, too, has fallen on deaf ears at Yamaha even though such a search function is a standard part of any other computer software that I have ever owned. It appears that your software will address this keyword search function and this alone makes it of great interest to me. 


I am delighted to see that individuals like yourself are willing to program features of use to Mark IV owners when Yamaha shows a low level of interest in doing so. So...thanks and please keep up the good work.  


Tom
    
On Nov 8, 2007, at 11:57 AM, Kevin Goroway wrote:

Well, one might argue that it's much worse, since it doesn't support most of what the PDA does.

It's what it can do (in the near future) that the PDA can't, though, that makes it interesting.
1) search for songs and albums.  You know you've got "chopsticks" saved on there somewhere, but you've completely forgotten where.  Type in chopsticks, and there it is...Click on it to play.
2) Ability to print out a catalog of what you've got stored on your DKV.  Have a large library on there?  Want to present a list of what's available to some visitors?  Hand them the printout.  

The list can go on and on...It's also MUCH faster than the PDA, and has a whole lot more screen space to display album/song titles...though (in my case) it requires going to a different room, since I'm not doing this on a laptop. :-(

There's also the following possibility, which I haven't investigated yet.

Let's say you have a large MIDI library on your computer, but you haven't moved it to your DKV (for whatever reason).  You also don't have a MIDI connection between your computer and your DKV.  I think I can let you point the software are a folder filled with MIDI files on the computer, and have the DKV play them.  Here's how I imagine it would work.  
a) computer copies file to the piano's from/to pc folder
b) computer forces DKV to "refresh" it's from/to pc folder
c) computer tells DKV to start playing that file
d) when song is finished, computer removes file from piano's from/to pc folder
e) lather/rinse/ repeat

-Kevin









    
  

    
    




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On Nov 8, 2007, at 12:54 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:

> Tom, you are my target audience. :-)
>
> I've had my DC3M4t for about 3 weeks now, and it has almost no  
> software on it since it's being swapped out for a new one from Japan  
> as soon as it gets here via a slow boat. :-(
>
> Do you have a wireless card on your pc, or a laptop with a wireless  
> card?
>
> A prerequisite for this software to work is that your computer can  
> see the wireless network that your piano presents to the PDA and  
> tablet.  On my PC, it was more than happy to tell me that it found  
> the network...have you seen anything like that?  Have you tried to  
> search for it?
>
> You've inspired me to get the search feature finished next (not that  
> interesting to me since my piano mostly has the demo songs on it!).   
> It also seems like a full hard drive is yet another reason to be  
> able to play songs off of the computer instead.
>
> -Kevin

----- Original Message ----
From: jheitzeb1 <jheitzeb1@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 1:21:51 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            Kevin,  will the software run on Macintosh computers or just PC's?  A search and catalog 

function would be very nice.



Thanks,

Joan



--- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@.. .> wrote:

>

> Well, one might argue that it's much worse, since it doesn't support most of what the 

PDA does.

> 

> It's what it can do (in the near future) that the PDA can't, though, that makes it 

interesting.

> 1) search for songs and albums.  You know you've got "chopsticks" saved on there 

somewhere, but you've completely forgotten where.  Type in chopsticks, and there it 

is...Click on it to play.

> 2) Ability to print out a catalog of what you've got stored on your DKV.  Have a large 

library on there?  Want to present a list of what's available to some visitors?  Hand them 

the printout.  

> 

> The list can go on and on...It's also MUCH faster than the PDA, and has a whole lot more 

screen space to display album/song titles...though (in my case) it requires going to a 

different room, since I'm not doing this on a laptop. :-(

> 

> There's also the following possibility, which I haven't investigated yet.

> 

> Let's say you have a large MIDI library on your computer, but you haven't moved it to 

your DKV (for whatever reason).  You also don't have a MIDI connection between your 

computer and your DKV.  I think I can let you point the software are a folder filled with 

MIDI files on the computer, and have the DKV play them.  Here's how I imagine it would 

work.  

> a) computer copies file to the piano's from/to pc folder

> b) computer forces DKV to "refresh" it's from/to pc folder

> c) computer tells DKV to start playing that file

> d) when song is finished, computer removes file from piano's from/to pc folder

> e) lather/rinse/ repeat

> 

> -Kevin

> 

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: jheitzeb1 <jheitzeb1@. ..>

> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 11:04:57 AM

> Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

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>             What makes your program any different than using the pda with your MKIV?

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> 

> Thanks,

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> Joan

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> 

> 

> --- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@ .> wrote:

> 

> >

> 

> > Roberto,

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> > 

> 

> > I plan to continue to update the group on my progress (until I'm told to cut it out :-) ).

> 

> > 

> 

> > I did have a breakthrough last night.  I found out why I couldn't select songs to play.  I 

> 

> was sending the piano the song_id and the album_id (which seemed to make perfect 

> 

> sense), but the piano wants the album_id and the song sequence number, so, for 

example, 

> 

> "play the third song from album 1024"

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> > 

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> > I've got it all working now so I can peruse the pianosoft and the user sections as a 

tree-

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> view, select the song I want to hear, and press play.  It's actually quite fun.  The piano 

> 

> does have a natural behavior that is a bit counter-intuitive. ..Once you play a song, the 

> 

> piano will continue to play the next song on the album when that one is finished, and it 

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> will keep on going...No big deal, really.

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> > 

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> > The software needs some more things.  The ability to search with wildcards, support 

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> the other "folders" (usb, floppy, etc), the ability to export the database, and ability to 

print 

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> a report on the database.  Ultimately, I'd REALLY love for it to be able to update the 

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> database (just the simple notion of correcting spelling/case/ titles would be great!).  I 

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> this is also trivial though.  There's really nothing on the list that is difficult at all....it's all 

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> just time.

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> > 

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> > That being said, I'd love to release this even as is so people can start playing with 

it...but 

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> how many of you are even interested?  It also has absolutely no error checking in it at 

all, 

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> currently.

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> > 

> 

> > -Kevin

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> > 

> 

> > ----- Original Message ----

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> > From: ipermedia <r.fasciani@ ...>

> 

> > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

> 

> > Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2007 8:15:53 AM

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> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

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> >             Hi Kevin,

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> > please let me know about your progress in this develop, I hope to

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> > contribute as soon as mu DKV will work again.

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> > Thanks

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> > Roberto

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> > --- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@ .> wrote:

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> > > Matt, I'm going to reply to this directly since it's probably

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> > outside the scope of this group...

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> > > But here's an update for anyone following along.

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> > > I got my linux installation working, and was able to sniff the

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> > traffic.  I have a good capture now, and I can try to find out why I

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> > > I did notice something very interesting that I hadn't seen mentioned

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> > before.  It turns out that the tablet interface interacts with the

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> > piano differently from the PDA.  I hadn't expected this at all, but

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> > instead of using XML to request album information, the tablet instead

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> > uses HTTP to access a php page on the server.  I'm surprised they

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> > bothered to have two ways to query the same information.  Since it's

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> > noise in my captures at the moment, I plan to turn off the tablet and

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> > > -Kevin

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> > 

> 

> > > ----- Original Message ----

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> > 

> 

> > > From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@>

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> > 

> 

> > > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

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> > 

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> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 9:07:27 PM

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> > > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

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> > > When you say you've been unable to get our software to work, do you

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> > > We tested the software with firmware 2.0

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> > >  and it appeared to work.  Perhaps you are using the 2.1 firmware? 

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> > > The PRC and TRC used to send an identifier along with their messages

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> > to the piano.  Our software did not supply an identifier, with no ill

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> > I used Ethereal on Windows and it worked great.

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> > > Matthew

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> > > On 11/6/07, Kevin Goroway

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> > > All of the database stuff that I've tried has been pretty simple, so

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> > > I ran into quite a bit of difficulty once I tried controlling the

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> > > -Kevin

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> 

> > > ----- Original Message ----

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> > > From: Kevin Goroway <

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> > > kgoroway@yahoo. com>

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> > 

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> > > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

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> > > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2007 8:07:13 AM

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> > > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re:

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> > >  Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

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> > > Thanks so much for joining our conversation!  The background is very

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> > access, whatever), and a rudimentary reporting view so that you can at

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> > >  Disklavier.  

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> > > Like Matt, I program for a living (well, mostly manage now), and

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> > with 3 kids at home I don't get much time to write code when I get

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> > there...besides, I also want to actually play piano! :-)  So, it may

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> > some real functionality.  I plan to release it as source so that

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> > > Thanks again for joining us, and any insight you can provide would

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> > > -Kevin

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> > > ----- Original Message ----

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> > > From: mrmuk7 <mrmuk7@gmail. com>

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> > > To: disklavier@yahoogro 

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> > > ups.com

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> > > Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:40:56 PM

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> > > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

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----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 1:34:10 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            Hi Kevin,


I would be pleased to help you test your software, especially when you get the search feature working.


I do have a wireless card on my laptop PC and it does see the DKV wireless network.  I can use the PC laptop and my iMac as well to move files from Mark IV to the PC for transmission via e-mail using the To/From PC Folder on the Mark IV.


The really frustrating part about having my internal HD filled on my Mark IV is that I am unable to directly  load new Yamaha software on the external 250 GB USB HD attached to my Mark IV.  Of course, I can add my own recordings to the external USB HD.  I suppose this is due to Yamaha's copy protection, but it has simply prevented me from purchasing any additional Yamaha software since I have no where to store it.


What I would really like to do is to move some of the Yamaha CD software stored on my internal HD of the Mark IV to the external USB HD attached to the Mark IV and play it from there.  This would allow me to purchase additional software and store it on the external USB HD.  Any chance that your software could enable this?  Please note that all of my Yamaha software is legally purchased and I have no desire to share it or otherwise violate Yamaha's copy protection other than to be able to store and play Yamaha software on my own USB HD for my own use only. 


Tom
         
On Nov 8, 2007, at 12:54 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:

Tom, you are my target audience. :-)

I've had my DC3M4t for about 3 weeks now, and it has almost no software on it since it's being swapped out for a new one from Japan as soon as it gets here via a slow boat. :-(

Do you have a wireless card on your pc, or a laptop with a wireless card?

A prerequisite for this software to work is that your computer can see the wireless network that your piano presents to the PDA and tablet.  On my PC, it was more than happy to tell me that it found the network...have you seen anything like that?  Have you tried to search for it?

You've inspired me to get the search feature finished next (not that interesting to me since my piano mostly has the demo songs on it!).  It also seems like a full hard drive is yet another reason to be able to play songs off of the computer instead.

-Kevin







    
  

    
    




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On Nov 8, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:

> Ah, so I think you are in good shape...but one thing you said makes  
> me a little concerned.
>
> The To/From PC folder is exposed only when you are connected to the  
> ethernet port on the DKV (either wired, or wireless).  If you have  
> done that wirelessly, that's NOT the wireless I'm talking about... I  
> hope this makes sense.
>
> Either way, if you are wireless, you should be able to get this to  
> work.  It's just that you have to make sure your wireless card is on  
> the right SSID to talk to the piano (if it is working for anything  
> else, then it's not on the right network).
>
> My software can't do much about the fact that the CDs must be on the  
> internal HD.  I suppose the only thing I can suggest is that you not  
> store the CDs on the HD (they are huge, and are stored uncompressed  
> AFAIK).  Just keep a CD rack nearby?
>
> -Kevin
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----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 2:58:41 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            Kevin,


I did not mean to be misleading about what I am seeing via my wireless card on the PC.  I am seeing the dkv wireless connection.  Of course, other than the To/From PC Folder, I have not been able to do anything with the dkv connection.  Nonetheless, I do see the dkv and thus my wireless connection from the computer is working on it. 


My wife, who is a programmer, is interested in your software and in contacting you.  Would mind if she sent you a private e-mail?  Also feel free, to continue this discussion with me via my private e-mail address if you wish. I am concerned that others on this forum may prefer that we not extensively discuss this on the forum.


Tom
 
On Nov 8, 2007, at 1:57 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:

Ah, so I think you are in good shape...but one thing you said makes me a little concerned.

The To/From PC folder is exposed only when you are connected to the ethernet port on the DKV (either wired, or wireless).  If you have done that wirelessly, that's NOT the wireless I'm talking about... I hope this makes sense.

Either way, if you are wireless, you should be able to get this to work.  It's just that you have to make sure your wireless card is on the right SSID to talk to the piano (if it is working for anything else, then it's not on the right network).

My software can't do much about the fact that the CDs must be on the internal HD.  I suppose the only thing I can suggest is that you not store the CDs on the HD (they are huge, and are stored uncompressed AFAIK).  Just keep a CD rack nearby?  

-Kevin









    
  

    
    




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----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 2:04:28 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            Kevin's program should certainly be able to move the copy protected-songs residing on the Disklavier HD onto your USB drive, should he program it to do so.  In each song table in the database, there is a column called protect which contains a 1 or a 0.  The songs you purchase from Yamaha have the bit set to 1, which means you can't move that song to your usb device.  It would be quite easy to just change that value to 0 for all the songs so that you can move the songs around as you wish.  


This may seem a bit sketchy... but I'm sure it's you're legal right to move purchased media around wherever you want under fair use laws.  

Have you tried using the DLRC software mentioned earlier in this thread?  Kevin was having difficulties getting it to work.


Matthew


On Nov 8, 2007 10:52 AM, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:














  


    
            
Written in straight java so it should work on anything.  That's the plan anyway.  I plan to test from PC and Linux for sure.


----- Original Message ----
From: jheitzeb1 <
jheitzeb1@yahoo. com>
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 1:21:51 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV










    

            
Kevin,  will the software run on Macintosh computers or just PC's?  A search and catalog 

function would be very nice.



Thanks,

Joan




--- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@.. .> wrote:

>



> Well, one might argue that it's much worse, since it doesn't support most of what the 

PDA does.

> 

> It's what it can do (in the near future) that the PDA can't, though, that makes it 

interesting.

> 1) search for songs and albums.  You know you've got "chopsticks" saved on there 

somewhere, but you've completely forgotten where.  Type in chopsticks, and there it 

is...Click on it to play.

> 2) Ability to print out a catalog of what you've got stored on your DKV.  Have a large 

library on there?  Want to present a list of what's available to some visitors?  Hand them 

the printout.  

> 

> The list can go on and on...It's also MUCH faster than the PDA, and has a whole lot more 

screen space to display album/song titles...though (in my case) it requires going to a 

different room, since I'm not doing this on a laptop. :-(

> 

> There's also the following possibility, which I haven't investigated yet.

> 

> Let's say you have a large MIDI library on your computer, but you haven't moved it to 

your DKV (for whatever reason).  You also don't have a MIDI connection between your 

computer and your DKV.  I think I can let you point the software are a folder filled with 

MIDI files on the computer, and have the DKV play them.  Here's how I imagine it would 

work.  

> a) computer copies file to the piano's from/to pc folder

> b) computer forces DKV to "refresh" it's from/to pc folder

> c) computer tells DKV to start playing that file

> d) when song is finished, computer removes file from piano's from/to pc folder

> e) lather/rinse/ repeat

> 

> -Kevin

> 

> ----- Original Message ----

> From: jheitzeb1 <jheitzeb1@. ..>




> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 11:04:57 AM

> Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

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>             What makes your program any different than using the pda with your MKIV?

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> 

> Thanks,

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> Joan

> 

> 

> 

> --- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@ .> wrote:

> 

> >

> 

> > Roberto,

> 

> > 

> 

> > I plan to continue to update the group on my progress (until I'm told to cut it out :-) ).

> 

> > 

> 

> > I did have a breakthrough last night.  I found out why I couldn't select songs to play.  I 

> 

> was sending the piano the song_id and the album_id (which seemed to make perfect 

> 

> sense), but the piano wants the album_id and the song sequence number, so, for 

example, 

> 

> "play the third song from album 1024"

> 

> > 

> 

> > I've got it all working now so I can peruse the pianosoft and the user sections as a 

tree-

> 

> view, select the song I want to hear, and press play.  It's actually quite fun.  The piano 

> 

> does have a natural behavior that is a bit counter-intuitive. ..Once you play a song, the 

> 

> piano will continue to play the next song on the album when that one is finished, and it 

> 

> will keep on going...No big deal, really.

> 

> > 

> 

> > The software needs some more things.  The ability to search with wildcards, support 

for 

> 

> the other "folders" (usb, floppy, etc), the ability to export the database, and ability to 

print 

> 

> a report on the database.  Ultimately, I'd REALLY love for it to be able to update the 

> 

> database (just the simple notion of correcting spelling/case/ titles would be great!).  I 

think 

> 

> this is also trivial though.  There's really nothing on the list that is difficult at all....it's all 

> 

> just time.

> 

> > 

> 

> > That being said, I'd love to release this even as is so people can start playing with 

it...but 

> 

> how many of you are even interested?  It also has absolutely no error checking in it at 

all, 

> 

> currently.

> 

> > 

> 

> > -Kevin

> 

> > 

> 

> > ----- Original Message ----

> 

> > From: ipermedia <r.fasciani@ ...>

> 

> > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

> 

> > Sent: Wednesday, November 7, 2007 8:15:53 AM

> 

> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

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> >             Hi Kevin,

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> > 

> 

> > please let me know about your progress in this develop, I hope to

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> > 

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> > contribute as soon as mu DKV will work again.

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> > 

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> > Thanks

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> > Roberto

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> 

> > --- In disklavier@yahoogro ups.com, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@ .> wrote:

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> > 

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> 

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> > > Matt, I'm going to reply to this directly since it's probably

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> > outside the scope of this group...

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> > > But here's an update for anyone following along.

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> > > I got my linux installation working, and was able to sniff the

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> > traffic.  I have a good capture now, and I can try to find out why I

> 

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> > am unable to do some of the things I want to do.  

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> > 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > > I did notice something very interesting that I hadn't seen mentioned

> 

> > 

> 

> > before.  It turns out that the tablet interface interacts with the

> 

> > 

> 

> > piano differently from the PDA.  I hadn't expected this at all, but

> 

> > 

> 

> > instead of using XML to request album information, the tablet instead

> 

> > 

> 

> > uses HTTP to access a php page on the server.  I'm surprised they

> 

> > 

> 

> > bothered to have two ways to query the same information.  Since it's

> 

> > 

> 

> > noise in my captures at the moment, I plan to turn off the tablet and

> 

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> > concentrate on the PDA.  I hope to revisit the tablet interface to see

> 

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> > if there is anything more interesting there.

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> > 

> 

> > > 

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> > 

> 

> > > -Kevin

> 

> > 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > > ----- Original Message ----

> 

> > 

> 

> > > From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@>

> 

> > 

> 

> > > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

> 

> > 

> 

> > > Sent: Tuesday, November 6, 2007 9:07:27 PM

> 

> > 

> 

> > > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

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> > >             Hi Kevin, 

> 

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> > > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > > When you say you've been unable to get our software to work, do you

> 

> > 

> 

> > mean specifically the command that switches albums/songs fails, or no

> 

> > 

> 

> > commands work?  

> 

> > 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > > We tested the software with firmware 2.0

> 

> > 

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> > >  and it appeared to work.  Perhaps you are using the 2.1 firmware? 

> 

> > 

> 

> > Does the connection on port 3191 connect successfully?

> 

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> > > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > > The PRC and TRC used to send an identifier along with their messages

> 

> > 

> 

> > to the piano.  Our software did not supply an identifier, with no ill

> 

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> > effects.  But that is probably why it is prompting you to upgrade :-).

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> >  Cute.

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> > > You shouldnt have to install Linux just to sniff wireless traffic. 

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> > I used Ethereal on Windows and it worked great.

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> > > Matthew

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> > 

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> > > On 11/6/07, Kevin Goroway

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> > >  <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:

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> > > All of the database stuff that I've tried has been pretty simple, so

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> > the ability to fetch albums and songs is pretty much complete.

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> > > I ran into quite a bit of difficulty once I tried controlling the

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> > piano from my java app though (this uses a separate connection).  I

> 

> > 

> 

> > can make it do a lot of the simple things (play, stop, etc), but I

> 

> > 

> 

> > can't select a different song/album.  It seems that the research paper

> 

> > 

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> > and project are either out of date (I've been unable to make the

> 

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> > project itself work), or I'm just doing something wrong.  What's there

> 

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> > already though works well.  The UI and Socket are on separate threads,

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> > and there is a thread that heartbeats "<active/>"

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> 

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> > > I did notice that the piano is sending me XML that indicates that I

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> > should pop up a message box informing the user that the software is

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> > out of date running version "too old to tell", and that they should

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> > > 2.0.  :-)  That makes me wonder how much of the protocol has changed.

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> > 

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> > > So, I've ended up having to install linux so I can get a wireless

> 

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> > card into "monitor" mode so that I can sniff the traffic.  I'll do

> 

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> > that tonight to try to solve the simplest of cases (waking up from

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> > > -Kevin

> 

> > 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > > ----- Original Message ----

> 

> > 

> 

> > > From: Kevin Goroway <

> 

> > 

> 

> > > kgoroway@yahoo. com>

> 

> > 

> 

> > > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

> 

> > 

> 

> > > Sent: Friday, November 2, 2007 8:07:13 AM

> 

> > 

> 

> > > 

> 

> > 

> 

> > > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re:

> 

> > 

> 

> > >  Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

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> > > Matt, and Chris,

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> > > Thanks so much for joining our conversation!  The background is very

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> > > Matt, I think you've done a wonderful job under the circumstances,

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> > and it's opened up a world of possibilities.

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> > > I'm wrapping up a pure java implementation that doesn't try to mimic

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> > the PRC at all.  Instead it's basically a song and album browser (with

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> > search capabilities) and the ability to play them once you find them.

> 

> > 

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> >  I'm also planning to include the ability to dump your songs and

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> > albums to a CSV file so you can move them wherever you'd like (excel,

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> > access, whatever), and a rudimentary reporting view so that you can at

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> > >  Disklavier.  

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> > > Like Matt, I program for a living (well, mostly manage now), and

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> > > Thanks again for joining us, and any insight you can provide would

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> > > -Kevin

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> > > ----- Original Message ----

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> > > From: mrmuk7 <mrmuk7@gmail. com>

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> > > To: disklavier@yahoogro 

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> > > Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:40:56 PM

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> > > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

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> > > I'm certainly surprised and pleased to see such enthusiasm regarding

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> > > our software controller for the Disklavier.  I never expected anyone

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> > > 1024, just like the original software.  It is too bad we never got

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On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:

> Well, one of things everyone will need to understand is the  
> requirements for using it...so no harm in leaving it in this thread  
> for now.
>
> I still think we have some confusion over what you are seeing on  
> wireless.  So, let me try again.
>
> Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your computer, you have  
> nothing connected to your DKV's ethernet port.
>
> In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you that there is a  
> wireless access point out there, and you can hop on it, but there is  
> nothing to be found.  And, you have no access whatsoever to the To/ 
> From PC folder.
>
> Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire connection to your  
> router/switch from the DKV's ethernet port.
>
> Like the first scenario, but now you have access to the To/From PC  
> folder.
>
> Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless hardware to the  
> DKV's ethernet port, turning it into a wireless device.
>
> In this situation, your wireless card has 2 choices.  One is the  
> access point connected to the DKV's ethernet port, the other is the  
> access point that the PDA/Tablet use.  If your wireless card  
> attached to one, you'll see the To/From PC folder, if it attaches to  
> the other...there's nothing to be found.
>
> Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can use the software,  
> just as long as you can convince your wireless card to hop onto the  
> access point that is there for the PDA.
>
> Your wife can certainly contact me directly.  I plan to put the  
> searching in this weekend, and have the source code ready for  
> release before Monday.  (although you threw in the new feature of  
> being able to search by artist which I hadn't considered. :-)  )
>
> -Kevin

----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:29:46 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            Kevin,


It is scenario no. 3 below that describes how my Mark IV is connected.


Again, thanks for working on this and I look forward to ultimately trying out your work when you are ready to release it.  


Tom

On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:

Well, one of things everyone will need to understand is the requirements for using it...so no harm in leaving it in this thread for now.

I still think we have some confusion over what you are seeing on wireless.  So, let me try again.

Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your computer, you have nothing connected to your DKV's ethernet port.

In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you that there is a wireless access point out there, and you can hop on it, but there is nothing to be found.  And, you have no access whatsoever to the To/From PC folder.

Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire connection to your router/switch from the DKV's ethernet port.

Like the first scenario, but now you have access to the To/From PC folder.

Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless hardware to the DKV's ethernet port, turning it into a wireless device.

In this situation, your wireless card has 2 choices.  One is the access point connected to the DKV's ethernet port, the other is the access point that the PDA/Tablet use.  If your wireless card attached to one, you'll see the To/From PC folder, if it attaches to the other...there' s nothing to be found.

Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can use the software, just as long as you can convince your wireless card to hop onto the access point that is there for the PDA.

Your wife can certainly contact me directly.  I plan to put the searching in this weekend, and have the source code ready for release before Monday.  (although you threw in the new feature of being able to search by artist which I hadn't considered. :-)  )

-Kevin







    
  

    
    




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----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:27:19 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            The tables for each media (ex. usb_album and usb_song) are only created when that media is inserted.  It takes a few seconds for the software to create the table, so if you insert and immediately query, you will miss results.  The tables are recreated each insertion.  This is discussed more in our paper.

Matthew


On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:













  


    
            
I made a bunch of progress last night.  Search is fully implemented, and works great (and FAST).  Of course, my database is tiny compared to some of yours, so I'll have to get some feedback from those of you who try it.


I did expect the USB and FLOPPY tables to exist in the database even when they weren't mounted...but that turned out not to be the case.  So, tonight I have to work on some code to understand when those are mounted and when they aren't.


I have no plans to support the copying of files between the sources, especially the protected ones.  

Release this weekend (as an alpha version) is looking quite likely.

-Kevin


----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@nc. rr.com>
To: 
disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:29:46 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









    
            Kevin,


It is scenario no. 3 below that describes how my Mark IV is connected.


Again, thanks for working on this and I look forward to ultimately trying out your work when you are ready to release it.  



Tom

On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:


Well, one of things
 everyone will need to understand is the requirements for using it...so no harm in leaving it in this thread for now.

I still think we have some confusion over what you are seeing on wireless.  So, let me try again.


Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your computer, you have nothing connected to your DKV's ethernet port.

In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you that there is a wireless access point out there, and you can hop on it, but there is nothing to be found.  And, you have no access whatsoever to the To/From PC folder.


Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire connection to your router/switch from the DKV's ethernet port.

Like the first scenario, but now you have access to the To/From PC folder.

Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless hardware to the DKV's ethernet port, turning it into a wireless device.


In this situation, your wireless card has 2
 choices.  One is the access point connected to the DKV's ethernet port, the other is the access point that the PDA/Tablet use.  If your wireless card attached to one, you'll see the To/From PC folder, if it attaches to the other...there' s nothing to be found.


Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can use the software, just as long as you can convince your wireless card to hop onto the access point that is there for the PDA.

Your wife can certainly contact me directly.  I plan to put the searching in this weekend, and have the source code ready for release before Monday.  (although you threw in the new feature of being able to search by artist which I hadn't considered. :-)  )


-Kevin







    
  








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----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 6:00:48 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            I believe <remake_db/> is sent when a usb drive is inserted or removed.  There may be some attributes on there that tell you which db, or it might be something like "Update your local cache of the db now".  

If you make a query while the software is building the table, you will see the songs that have been added at that point in time.  This shouldn't be of much concern; it usually only takes 30 sec to add everything to the songs table, even for large amounts of files on a drive.


I don't think there was a column for artist.  If there was, I think it contained the same info as the title.  But yes, Yamaha seems to put the artist within the title.  I believe you can set the comment on the song and album using the PRC's keyboard.  Hardly anyone would want to though - quite a laborious task poking tiny buttons.  I also seem to remember being able to set the songs rating from 1 to 5 stars using the PRC/TRC.  Never investigated that much personally though.

Matthew


On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:













  


    
            
Matthew,

I'm at work, so I can't check now, but does the piano send any notification of when it has finished building the table?


I've seen <remake_db /> come out for both the CD and the FD even though there was nothing mounted.

Any way to query for what is already mounted?


Otherwise...

There had been a request for the ability to search by artist, but I don't see anything explicit in the schema for artist.  It looks like it is normally stored as part of the song title (judging from the demos).  This will work fine with my current search.


The fields which might be interesting to
 search by are as follows:
song filename (already done)
song rating (is there any current way to give a song a rating?  If not, I wouldn't want to assume one and break a future release.)
song "your_record" (No idea what is here, maybe nothing, and no way to set it?

song comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)
song title (already done)
song subtitle (already done)
song genre (is there any way to enter this currently?)
album rating (see song rating)
album comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)

album title (already done)
album subtitle (are these used?)

Anyway, adding others is trivial at this point.  So, I'll have to investigate what is in the database when I get home.

-Kevin


----- Original
 Message ----
From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
To: 
disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:27:19 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









    
            The tables for each media (ex. usb_album and usb_song) are only created when that media is inserted.  It takes a few seconds for the software to create the table, so if you insert and immediately query, you will miss results.  The tables are recreated each insertion.  This is discussed more in our paper.

Matthew


On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway <
kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:













  


    
            
I made a bunch of progress last night.  Search is fully implemented, and works great (and FAST).  Of course, my database is tiny compared to some of yours, so I'll have to get some feedback from those of you who try it.


I did expect the USB and FLOPPY tables to exist in the database even when they weren't mounted...but that turned out not to be the case.  So, tonight I have to work on some code to understand when those are mounted and when they aren't.


I have no plans to support the copying of files between the sources, especially the protected ones.  

Release this weekend (as an alpha version) is looking quite likely.

-Kevin



----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@nc. rr.com
>
To: 
disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:29:46 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV










    
            Kevin,


It is scenario no. 3 below that describes how my Mark IV is connected.


Again, thanks for working on this and I look forward to ultimately trying out your work when you are ready to release it.  



Tom

On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:



Well, one of things
 everyone will need to understand is the requirements for using it...so no harm in leaving it in this thread for now.

I still think we have some confusion over what you are seeing on wireless.  So, let me try again.


Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your computer, you have nothing connected to your DKV's ethernet port.

In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you that there is a wireless access point out there, and you can hop on it, but there is nothing to be found.  And, you have no access whatsoever to the To/From PC folder.


Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire connection to your router/switch from the DKV's ethernet port.

Like the first scenario, but now you have access to the To/From PC folder.

Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless hardware to the DKV's ethernet port, turning it into a wireless device.


In this situation, your wireless card has 2
 choices.  One is the access point connected to the DKV's ethernet port, the other is the access point that the PDA/Tablet use.  If your wireless card attached to one, you'll see the To/From PC folder, if it attaches to the other...there' s nothing to be found.


Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can use the software, just as long as you can convince your wireless card to hop onto the access point that is there for the PDA.

Your wife can certainly contact me directly.  I plan to put the searching in this weekend, and have the source code ready for release before Monday.  (although you threw in the new feature of being able to search by artist which I hadn't considered. :-)  )


-Kevin







    
  









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-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV










Well, I uploaded the alpha release.

Please try it out and let me know how it goes.? This is my first ever java app, and getting these things into a working jar file was an experience!? The uploaded rar file includes the swt.jar for windows, with instructions for where to find it for other operating systems.

It's pretty crude at the moment, and doesn't yet support exporting the data.? There's probably lots of other things it doesn't support as well, since I have limited experience with the piano itself.? It also has only been tested against my piano which has very little data, so I don't know how well it behaves with HUGE databases.? Okay, enough disclaimers...Have fun!

-Kevin


----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 6:00:48 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV



I believe <remake_db/> is sent when a usb drive is inserted or removed.? There may be some attributes on there that tell you which db, or it might be something like "Update your local cache of the db now".? 
If you make a query while the software is building the table, you will see the songs that have been added at that point in time.? This shouldn't be of much concern; it usually only takes 30 sec to add everything to the songs table, even for large amounts of files on a drive. 

I don't think there was a column for artist.? If there was, I think it contained the same info as the title.? But yes, Yamaha seems to put the artist within the title.? I believe you can set the comment on the song and album using the PRC's keyboard.? Hardly anyone would want to though - quite a laborious task poking tiny buttons.? I also seem to remember being able to set the songs rating from 1 to 5 stars using the PRC/TRC.? Never investigated that much personally though. 
Matthew



On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:








Matthew,

I'm at work, so I can't check now, but does the piano send any notification of when it has finished building the table? 

I've seen <remake_db /> come out for both the CD and the FD even though there was nothing mounted.

Any way to query for what is already mounted? 

Otherwise...

There had been a request for the ability to search by artist, but I don't see anything explicit in the schema for artist.? It looks like it is normally stored as part of the song title (judging from the demos).? This will work fine with my current search. 

The fields which might be interesting to search by are as follows:
song filename (already done)
song rating (is there any current way to give a song a rating?? If not, I wouldn't want to assume one and break a future release.)
song "your_record" (No idea what is here, maybe nothing, and no way to set it? 
song comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)
song title (already done)
song subtitle (already done)
song genre (is there any way to enter this currently?)
album rating (see song rating)
album comment (is there any way to enter this currently?) 
album title (already done)
album subtitle (are these used?)

Anyway, adding others is trivial at this point.? So, I'll have to investigate what is in the database when I get home.

-Kevin


----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:27:19 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV



The tables for each media (ex. usb_album and usb_song) are only created when that media is inserted.? It takes a few seconds for the software to create the table, so if you insert and immediately query, you will miss results.? The tables are recreated each insertion.? This is discussed more in our paper. 
Matthew



On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway < kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:








I made a bunch of progress last night.? Search is fully implemented, and works great (and FAST).? Of course, my database is tiny compared to some of yours, so I'll have to get some feedback from those of you who try it. 

I did expect the USB and FLOPPY tables to exist in the database even when they weren't mounted...but that turned out not to be the case.? So, tonight I have to work on some code to understand when those are mounted and when they aren't. 

I have no plans to support the copying of files between the sources, especially the protected ones.? 

Release this weekend (as an alpha version) is looking quite likely.

-Kevin


----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@nc. rr.com >

To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com


Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:29:46 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV 



Kevin,




It is scenario no. 3 below that describes how my Mark IV is connected.




Again, thanks for working on this and I look forward to ultimately trying out your work when you are ready to release it. ? 




Tom




On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:





Well, one of things everyone will need to understand is the requirements for using it...so no harm in leaving it in this thread for now.

I still think we have some confusion over what you are seeing on wireless.? So, let me try again. 

Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your computer, you have nothing connected to your DKV's ethernet port.

In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you that there is a wireless access point out there, and you can hop on it, but there is nothing to be found.? And, you have no access whatsoever to the To/From PC folder. 

Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire connection to your router/switch from the DKV's ethernet port.

Like the first scenario, but now you have access to the To/From PC folder.

Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless hardware to the DKV's ethernet port, turning it into a wireless device. 

In this situation, your wireless card has 2 choices.? One is the access point connected to the DKV's ethernet port, the other is the access point that the PDA/Tablet use.? If your wireless card attached to one, you'll see the To/From PC folder, if it attaches to the other...there' s nothing to be found. 

Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can use the software, just as long as you can convince your wireless card to hop onto the access point that is there for the PDA.

Your wife can certainly contact me directly.? I plan to put the searching in this weekend, and have the source code ready for release before Monday.? (although you threw in the new feature of being able to search by artist which I hadn't considered. :-)? ) 

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From: "hugofon@..." <hugofon@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:40:02 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            

Kevin,





I just tried your alpha release.  Wow, it works great on my DC2 Mark IV. I don't have any problem at all.  I have a database of approximately 500 songs on the hard drive, and the browser produces a very accurate list of my softwares.  





I have been following this discussion closely, but I have not participated in the discussion as I am really not a computer guy and have nothing techical to contribute.  Thank you so much for taking your time to work on this project.  Your work is greatly appreciated.  I can't wait for your future releases with more functionalities. ..... Perhaps a playlist or my favorites would be wonderful.  Thanks again.



Hugo





-----Original Message-----

From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com>

To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 4:23 pm

Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV



















Well, I uploaded the alpha release.



Please try it out and let me know how it goes.  This is my first ever java app, and getting these things into a working jar file was an experience!  The uploaded rar file includes the swt.jar for windows, with instructions for where to find it for other operating systems.



It's pretty crude at the moment, and doesn't yet support exporting the data.  There's probably lots of other things it doesn't support as well, since I have limited experience with the piano itself.  It also has only been tested against my piano which has very little data, so I don't know how well it behaves with HUGE databases.  Okay, enough disclaimers. ..Have fun!



-Kevin





----- Original Message ----

From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>

To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 6:00:48 PM

Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV







I believe <remake_db/> is sent when a usb drive is inserted or removed.  There may be some attributes on there that tell you which db, or it might be something like "Update your local cache of the db now".  

If you make a query while the software is building the table, you will see the songs that have been added at that point in time.  This shouldn't be of much concern; it usually only takes 30 sec to add everything to the songs table, even for large amounts of files on a drive. 



I don't think there was a column for artist.  If there was, I think it contained the same info as the title.  But yes, Yamaha seems to put the artist within the title.  I believe you can set the comment on the song and album using the PRC's keyboard.  Hardly anyone would want to though - quite a laborious task poking tiny buttons.  I also seem to remember being able to set the songs rating from 1 to 5 stars using the PRC/TRC.  Never investigated that much personally though. 

Matthew







On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:
















Matthew,



I'm at work, so I can't check now, but does the piano send any notification of when it has finished building the table? 



I've seen <remake_db /> come out for both the CD and the FD even though there was nothing mounted.



Any way to query for what is already mounted? 



Otherwise...



There had been a request for the ability to search by artist, but I don't see anything explicit in the schema for artist.  It looks like it is normally stored as part of the song title (judging from the demos).  This will work fine with my current search. 



The fields which might be interesting to search by are as follows:

song filename (already done)

song rating (is there any current way to give a song a rating?  If not, I wouldn't want to assume one and break a future release.)

song "your_record" (No idea what is here, maybe nothing, and no way to set it? 

song comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)

song title (already done)

song subtitle (already done)

song genre (is there any way to enter this currently?)

album rating (see song rating)

album comment (is there any way to enter this currently?) 

album title (already done)

album subtitle (are these used?)



Anyway, adding others is trivial at this point.  So, I'll have to investigate what is in the database when I get home.



-Kevin





----- Original Message ----

From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>

To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:27:19 AM

Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV







The tables for each media (ex. usb_album and usb_song) are only created when that media is inserted.  It takes a few seconds for the software to create the table, so if you insert and immediately query, you will miss results.  The tables are recreated each insertion.  This is discussed more in our paper. 

Matthew







On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway < kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:
















I made a bunch of progress last night.  Search is fully implemented, and works great (and FAST).  Of course, my database is tiny compared to some of yours, so I'll have to get some feedback from those of you who try it. 



I did expect the USB and FLOPPY tables to exist in the database even when they weren't mounted...but that turned out not to be the case.  So, tonight I have to work on some code to understand when those are mounted and when they aren't. 



I have no plans to support the copying of files between the sources, especially the protected ones.  



Release this weekend (as an alpha version) is looking quite likely.



-Kevin





----- Original Message ----

From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@nc. rr.com >



To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com





Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:29:46 PM

Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV 







Kevin,









It is scenario no. 3 below that describes how my Mark IV is connected.









Again, thanks for working on this and I look forward to ultimately trying out your work when you are ready to release it.   









Tom









On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:










Well, one of things everyone will need to understand is the requirements for using it...so no harm in leaving it in this thread for now.



I still think we have some confusion over what you are seeing on wireless.  So, let me try again. 



Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your computer, you have nothing connected to your DKV's ethernet port.



In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you that there is a wireless access point out there, and you can hop on it, but there is nothing to be found.  And, you have no access whatsoever to the To/From PC folder. 



Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire connection to your router/switch from the DKV's ethernet port.



Like the first scenario, but now you have access to the To/From PC folder.



Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless hardware to the DKV's ethernet port, turning it into a wireless device. 



In this situation, your wireless card has 2 choices.  One is the access point connected to the DKV's ethernet port, the other is the access point that the PDA/Tablet use.  If your wireless card attached to one, you'll see the To/From PC folder, if it attaches to the other...there' s nothing to be found. 



Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can use the software, just as long as you can convince your wireless card to hop onto the access point that is there for the PDA.



Your wife can certainly contact me directly.  I plan to put the searching in this weekend, and have the source code ready for release before Monday.  (although you threw in the new feature of being able to search by artist which I hadn't considered. :-)  ) 



-Kevin





























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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin Goroway
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 5:09 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [PHISHING]: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for
MKIV

 

Wow, Hugo, thank you!

I was really concerned that it wouldn't work at all, so this is really
encouraging!

How would you envision the playlists working?  Just mimic the playlists that
are already on the piano?  That might be simplest.  Since I'm so new to the
piano itself, I haven't played with playlists at all.  The PDA/table
interface feels clunky, so I'd really like DKVBrowser to evolve into
something that supports drag and drop to create playlists.  Also, editing of
song titles, etc. right in the browser would be nice as well.

-Kevin

----- Original Message ----
From: "hugofon@..." <hugofon@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:40:02 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

Kevin,


I just tried your alpha release.  Wow, it works great on my DC2 Mark IV. I
don't have any problem at all.  I have a database of approximately 500 songs
on the hard drive, and the browser produces a very accurate list of my
softwares.  

I have been following this discussion closely, but I have not participated
in the discussion as I am really not a computer guy and have nothing
techical to contribute.  Thank you so much for taking your time to work on
this project.  Your work is greatly appreciated.  I can't wait for your
future releases with more functionalities. ..... Perhaps a playlist or my
favorites would be wonderful.  Thanks again.

Hugo


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com>
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

Well, I uploaded the alpha release.

Please try it out and let me know how it goes.  This is my first ever java
app, and getting these things into a working jar file was an experience!
The uploaded rar file includes the swt.jar for windows, with instructions
for where to find it for other operating systems.

It's pretty crude at the moment, and doesn't yet support exporting the data.
There's probably lots of other things it doesn't support as well, since I
have limited experience with the piano itself.  It also has only been tested
against my piano which has very little data, so I don't know how well it
behaves with HUGE databases.  Okay, enough disclaimers. ..Have fun!

-Kevin

----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 6:00:48 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

I believe <remake_db/> is sent when a usb drive is inserted or removed.
There may be some attributes on there that tell you which db, or it might be
something like "Update your local cache of the db now".  
If you make a query while the software is building the table, you will see
the songs that have been added at that point in time.  This shouldn't be of
much concern; it usually only takes 30 sec to add everything to the songs
table, even for large amounts of files on a drive. 

I don't think there was a column for artist.  If there was, I think it
contained the same info as the title.  But yes, Yamaha seems to put the
artist within the title.  I believe you can set the comment on the song and
album using the PRC's keyboard.  Hardly anyone would want to though - quite
a laborious task poking tiny buttons.  I also seem to remember being able to
set the songs rating from 1 to 5 stars using the PRC/TRC.  Never
investigated that much personally though. 
Matthew

On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com <mailto:kgoroway@...> >
wrote: 

Matthew,

I'm at work, so I can't check now, but does the piano send any notification
of when it has finished building the table? 

I've seen <remake_db /> come out for both the CD and the FD even though
there was nothing mounted.

Any way to query for what is already mounted? 

Otherwise...

There had been a request for the ability to search by artist, but I don't
see anything explicit in the schema for artist.  It looks like it is
normally stored as part of the song title (judging from the demos).  This
will work fine with my current search. 

The fields which might be interesting to search by are as follows:
song filename (already done)
song rating (is there any current way to give a song a rating?  If not, I
wouldn't want to assume one and break a future release.)
song "your_record" (No idea what is here, maybe nothing, and no way to set
it? 
song comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)
song title (already done)
song subtitle (already done)
song genre (is there any way to enter this currently?)
album rating (see song rating)
album comment (is there any way to enter this currently?) 
album title (already done)
album subtitle (are these used?)

Anyway, adding others is trivial at this point.  So, I'll have to
investigate what is in the database when I get home.

-Kevin

----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com <mailto:mrmuk7@...> >
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:27:19 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

The tables for each media (ex. usb_album and usb_song) are only created when
that media is inserted.  It takes a few seconds for the software to create
the table, so if you insert and immediately query, you will miss results.
The tables are recreated each insertion.  This is discussed more in our
paper. 
Matthew

On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway < kgoroway@yahoo. com <mailto:kgoroway@...>
> wrote: 

I made a bunch of progress last night.  Search is fully implemented, and
works great (and FAST).  Of course, my database is tiny compared to some of
yours, so I'll have to get some feedback from those of you who try it. 

I did expect the USB and FLOPPY tables to exist in the database even when
they weren't mounted...but that turned out not to be the case.  So, tonight
I have to work on some code to understand when those are mounted and when
they aren't. 

I have no plans to support the copying of files between the sources,
especially the protected ones.  

Release this weekend (as an alpha version) is looking quite likely.

-Kevin

----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@nc. rr.com <mailto:tnwheeler@...>  >

To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 



Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:29:46 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV 

Kevin,

 

It is scenario no. 3 below that describes how my Mark IV is connected.

 

Again, thanks for working on this and I look forward to ultimately trying
out your work when you are ready to release it.   

 

Tom

 

On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:





Well, one of things everyone will need to understand is the requirements for
using it...so no harm in leaving it in this thread for now.

I still think we have some confusion over what you are seeing on wireless.
So, let me try again. 

Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your computer, you have nothing
connected to your DKV's ethernet port.

In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you that there is a wireless
access point out there, and you can hop on it, but there is nothing to be
found.  And, you have no access whatsoever to the To/From PC folder. 

Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire connection to your
router/switch from the DKV's ethernet port.

Like the first scenario, but now you have access to the To/From PC folder.

Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless hardware to the DKV's
ethernet port, turning it into a wireless device. 

In this situation, your wireless card has 2 choices.  One is the access
point connected to the DKV's ethernet port, the other is the access point
that the PDA/Tablet use.  If your wireless card attached to one, you'll see
the To/From PC folder, if it attaches to the other...there' s nothing to be
found. 

Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can use the software, just as
long as you can convince your wireless card to hop onto the access point
that is there for the PDA.

Your wife can certainly contact me directly.  I plan to put the searching in
this weekend, and have the source code ready for release before Monday.
(although you threw in the new feature of being able to search by artist
which I hadn't considered. :-)  ) 

-Kevin

 

 


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On Nov 10, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:

> Well, I uploaded the alpha release.
>
> Please try it out and let me know how it goes.  This is my first  
> ever java app, and getting these things into a working jar file was  
> an experience!  The uploaded rar file includes the swt.jar for  
> windows, with instructions for where to find it for other operating  
> systems.
>
> It's pretty crude at the moment, and doesn't yet support exporting  
> the data.  There's probably lots of other things it doesn't support  
> as well, since I have limited experience with the piano itself.  It  
> also has only been tested against my piano which has very little  
> data, so I don't know how well it behaves with HUGE databases.   
> Okay, enough disclaimers...Have fun!
>
> -Kevin
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 6:00:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
>
> I believe <remake_db/> is sent when a usb drive is inserted or  
> removed.  There may be some attributes on there that tell you which  
> db, or it might be something like "Update your local cache of the db  
> now".
> If you make a query while the software is building the table, you  
> will see the songs that have been added at that point in time.  This  
> shouldn't be of much concern; it usually only takes 30 sec to add  
> everything to the songs table, even for large amounts of files on a  
> drive.
>
> I don't think there was a column for artist.  If there was, I think  
> it contained the same info as the title.  But yes, Yamaha seems to  
> put the artist within the title.  I believe you can set the comment  
> on the song and album using the PRC's keyboard.  Hardly anyone would  
> want to though - quite a laborious task poking tiny buttons.  I also  
> seem to remember being able to set the songs rating from 1 to 5  
> stars using the PRC/TRC.  Never investigated that much personally  
> though.
> Matthew
>
>
> On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> Matthew,
>
> I'm at work, so I can't check now, but does the piano send any  
> notification of when it has finished building the table?
>
> I've seen <remake_db /> come out for both the CD and the FD even  
> though there was nothing mounted.
>
> Any way to query for what is already mounted?
>
> Otherwise...
>
> There had been a request for the ability to search by artist, but I  
> don't see anything explicit in the schema for artist.  It looks like  
> it is normally stored as part of the song title (judging from the  
> demos).  This will work fine with my current search.
>
> The fields which might be interesting to search by are as follows:
> song filename (already done)
> song rating (is there any current way to give a song a rating?  If  
> not, I wouldn't want to assume one and break a future release.)
> song "your_record" (No idea what is here, maybe nothing, and no way  
> to set it?
> song comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)
> song title (already done)
> song subtitle (already done)
> song genre (is there any way to enter this currently?)
> album rating (see song rating)
> album comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)
> album title (already done)
> album subtitle (are these used?)
>
> Anyway, adding others is trivial at this point.  So, I'll have to  
> investigate what is in the database when I get home.
>
> -Kevin
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:27:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
>
> The tables for each media (ex. usb_album and usb_song) are only  
> created when that media is inserted.  It takes a few seconds for the  
> software to create the table, so if you insert and immediately  
> query, you will miss results.  The tables are recreated each  
> insertion.  This is discussed more in our paper.
> Matthew
>
>
> On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway < kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> I made a bunch of progress last night.  Search is fully implemented,  
> and works great (and FAST).  Of course, my database is tiny compared  
> to some of yours, so I'll have to get some feedback from those of  
> you who try it.
>
> I did expect the USB and FLOPPY tables to exist in the database even  
> when they weren't mounted...but that turned out not to be the case.   
> So, tonight I have to work on some code to understand when those are  
> mounted and when they aren't.
>
> I have no plans to support the copying of files between the sources,  
> especially the protected ones.
>
> Release this weekend (as an alpha version) is looking quite likely.
>
> -Kevin
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@nc. rr.com >
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:29:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
>
> Kevin,
>
>
> It is scenario no. 3 below that describes how my Mark IV is connected.
>
> Again, thanks for working on this and I look forward to ultimately  
> trying out your work when you are ready to release it.
>
> Tom
>
> On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:
>
>> Well, one of things everyone will need to understand is the  
>> requirements for using it...so no harm in leaving it in this thread  
>> for now.
>>
>> I still think we have some confusion over what you are seeing on  
>> wireless.  So, let me try again.
>>
>> Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your computer, you have  
>> nothing connected to your DKV's ethernet port.
>>
>> In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you that there is a  
>> wireless access point out there, and you can hop on it, but there  
>> is nothing to be found.  And, you have no access whatsoever to the  
>> To/From PC folder.
>>
>> Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire connection to your  
>> router/switch from the DKV's ethernet port.
>>
>> Like the first scenario, but now you have access to the To/From PC  
>> folder.
>>
>> Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless hardware to  
>> the DKV's ethernet port, turning it into a wireless device.
>>
>> In this situation, your wireless card has 2 choices.  One is the  
>> access point connected to the DKV's ethernet port, the other is the  
>> access point that the PDA/Tablet use.  If your wireless card  
>> attached to one, you'll see the To/From PC folder, if it attaches  
>> to the other...there' s nothing to be found.
>>
>> Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can use the software,  
>> just as long as you can convince your wireless card to hop onto the  
>> access point that is there for the PDA.
>>
>> Your wife can certainly contact me directly.  I plan to put the  
>> searching in this weekend, and have the source code ready for  
>> release before Monday.  (although you threw in the new feature of  
>> being able to search by artist which I hadn't considered. :-)  )
>>
>> -Kevin
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From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 6:00:48 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

I believe is sent when a usb drive is inserted or removed. There may be some attributes on there that tell you which db, or it might be something like "Update your local cache of the db now".
If you make a query while the software is building the table, you will see the songs that have been added at that point in time. This shouldn't be of much concern; it usually only takes 30 sec to add everything to the songs table, even for large amounts of files on a drive.

I don't think there was a column for artist. If there was, I think it contained the same info as the title. But yes, Yamaha seems to put the artist within the title. I believe you can set the comment on the song and album using the PRC's keyboard. Hardly anyone would want to though - quite a laborious task poking tiny buttons. I also seem to remember being able to set the songs rating from 1 to 5 stars using the PRC/TRC. Never investigated that much personally though.
Matthew

On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:

Matthew,

I'm at work, so I can't check now, but does the piano send any notification of when it has finished building the table?

I've seen come out for both the CD and the FD even though there was nothing mounted.

Any way to query for what is already mounted?

Otherwise...

There had been a request for the ability to search by artist, but I don't see anything explicit in the schema for artist. It looks like it is normally stored as part of the song title (judging from the demos). This will work fine with my current search.

The fields which might be interesting to search by are as follows:
song filename (already done)
song rating (is there any current way to give a song a rating? If not, I wouldn't want to assume one and break a future release.)
song "your_record" (No idea what is here, maybe nothing, and no way to set it?
song comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)
song title (already done)
song subtitle (already done)
song genre (is there any way to enter this currently?)
album rating (see song rating)
album comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)
album title (already done)
album subtitle (are these used?)

Anyway, adding others is trivial at this point. So, I'll have to investigate what is in the database when I get home.

-Kevin

----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:27:19 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

The tables for each media (ex. usb_album and usb_song) are only created when that media is inserted. It takes a few seconds for the software to create the table, so if you insert and immediately query, you will miss results. The tables are recreated each insertion. This is discussed more in our paper.
Matthew

On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway < kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:

I made a bunch of progress last night. Search is fully implemented, and works great (and FAST). Of course, my database is tiny compared to some of yours, so I'll have to get some feedback from those of you who try it.

I did expect the USB and FLOPPY tables to exist in the database even when they weren't mounted...but that turned out not to be the case. So, tonight I have to work on some code to understand when those are mounted and when they aren't.

I have no plans to support the copying of files between the sources, especially the protected ones.

Release this weekend (as an alpha version) is looking quite likely.

-Kevin

----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@nc. rr.com >

To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:29:46 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

Kevin,

It is scenario no. 3 below that describes how my Mark IV is connected.

Again, thanks for working on this and I look forward to ultimately trying out your work when you are ready to release it.

Tom

On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:

Well, one of things everyone will need to understand is the requirements for using it...so no harm in leaving it in this thread for now.

I still think we have some confusion over what you are seeing on wireless. So, let me try again.

Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your computer, you have nothing connected to your DKV's ethernet port.

In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you that there is a wireless access point out there, and you can hop on it, but there is nothing to be found. And, you have no access whatsoever to the To/From PC folder.

Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire connection to your router/switch from the DKV's ethernet port.

Like the first scenario, but now you have access to the To/From PC folder.

Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless hardware to the DKV's ethernet port, turning it into a wireless device.

In this situation, your wireless card has 2 choices. One is the access point connected to the DKV's ethernet port, the other is the access point that the PDA/Tablet use. If your wireless card attached to one, you'll see the To/From PC folder, if it attaches to the other...there' s nothing to be found.

Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can use the software, just as long as you can convince your wireless card to hop onto the access point that is there for the PDA.

Your wife can certainly contact me directly. I plan to put the searching in this weekend, and have the source code ready for release before Monday. (although you threw in the new feature of being able to search by artist which I hadn't considered. :-) )

-Kevin

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From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 6:00:48 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

I believe is sent when a usb drive is inserted or removed. There may be some attributes on there that tell you which db, or it might be something like "Update your local cache of the db now".
If you make a query while the software is building the table, you will see the songs that have been added at that point in time. This shouldn't be of much concern; it usually only takes 30 sec to add everything to the songs table, even for large amounts of files on a drive.

I don't think there was a column for artist. If there was, I think it contained the same info as the title. But yes, Yamaha seems to put the artist within the title. I believe you can set the comment on the song and album using the PRC's keyboard. Hardly anyone would want to though - quite a laborious task poking tiny buttons. I also seem to remember being able to set the songs rating from 1 to 5 stars using the PRC/TRC. Never investigated that much personally though.
Matthew

On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:

Matthew,

I'm at work, so I can't check now, but does the piano send any notification of when it has finished building the table?

I've seen come out for both the CD and the FD even though there was nothing mounted.

Any way to query for what is already mounted?

Otherwise...

There had been a request for the ability to search by artist, but I don't see anything explicit in the schema for artist. It looks like it is normally stored as part of the song title (judging from the demos). This will work fine with my current search.

The fields which might be interesting to search by are as follows:
song filename (already done)
song rating (is there any current way to give a song a rating? If not, I wouldn't want to assume one and break a future release.)
song "your_record" (No idea what is here, maybe nothing, and no way to set it?
song comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)
song title (already done)
song subtitle (already done)
song genre (is there any way to enter this currently?)
album rating (see song rating)
album comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)
album title (already done)
album subtitle (are these used?)

Anyway, adding others is trivial at this point. So, I'll have to investigate what is in the database when I get home.

-Kevin

----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:27:19 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

The tables for each media (ex. usb_album and usb_song) are only created when that media is inserted. It takes a few seconds for the software to create the table, so if you insert and immediately query, you will miss results. The tables are recreated each insertion. This is discussed more in our paper.
Matthew

On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway < kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:

I made a bunch of progress last night. Search is fully implemented, and works great (and FAST). Of course, my database is tiny compared to some of yours, so I'll have to get some feedback from those of you who try it.

I did expect the USB and FLOPPY tables to exist in the database even when they weren't mounted...but that turned out not to be the case. So, tonight I have to work on some code to understand when those are mounted and when they aren't.

I have no plans to support the copying of files between the sources, especially the protected ones.

Release this weekend (as an alpha version) is looking quite likely.

-Kevin

----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@nc. rr.com >

To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:29:46 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

Kevin,

It is scenario no. 3 below that describes how my Mark IV is connected.

Again, thanks for working on this and I look forward to ultimately trying out your work when you are ready to release it.

Tom

On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:

Well, one of things everyone will need to understand is the requirements for using it...so no harm in leaving it in this thread for now.

I still think we have some confusion over what you are seeing on wireless. So, let me try again.

Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your computer, you have nothing connected to your DKV's ethernet port.

In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you that there is a wireless access point out there, and you can hop on it, but there is nothing to be found. And, you have no access whatsoever to the To/From PC folder.

Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire connection to your router/switch from the DKV's ethernet port.

Like the first scenario, but now you have access to the To/From PC folder.

Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless hardware to the DKV's ethernet port, turning it into a wireless device.

In this situation, your wireless card has 2 choices. One is the access point connected to the DKV's ethernet port, the other is the access point that the PDA/Tablet use. If your wireless card attached to one, you'll see the To/From PC folder, if it attaches to the other...there' s nothing to be found.

Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can use the software, just as long as you can convince your wireless card to hop onto the access point that is there for the PDA.

Your wife can certainly contact me directly. I plan to put the searching in this weekend, and have the source code ready for release before Monday. (although you threw in the new feature of being able to search by artist which I hadn't considered. :-) )

-Kevin

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> New version uploaded.
>
> supports:
> changing pianoIP and port on the command line
> renaming albums and songs directly in the tree
> preliminary support for playlists
>
> -Kevin
>
>
> Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@...> wrote:
>
>     I didn't think the piano was ever anywhere but 192.168.88.1...Oh
>     well... this is trivial to fix.  Expect a new version very soon (
>     I'm working on playlist support, but will upload a new version
>     before it's done)
>
>     -Kevin
>
>     Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@...> wrote:
>
>         Kevin,
>
>         It did not work for us.  We were able to get the DLRC to work
>         by setting the IP to 192.168.11.15, so I guess we need a way
>         to configure the IP.  (We could not get anything but the page
>         1 functionality of DLRC to work -- there were java errors on
>         the other pages.
>
>         The error we get from your program is "Unable to establish
>         wireless connection to piano>"
>
>         Thanks for your efforts.
>
>         On Nov 10, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:
>
>>         Well, I uploaded the alpha release.
>>
>>         Please try it out and let me know how it goes.  This is my
>>         first ever java app, and getting these things into a working
>>         jar file was an experience!  The uploaded rar file includes
>>         the swt.jar for windows, with instructions for where to find
>>         it for other operating systems.
>>
>>         It's pretty crude at the moment, and doesn't yet support
>>         exporting the data.  There's probably lots of other things it
>>         doesn't support as well, since I have limited experience with
>>         the piano itself.  It also has only been tested against my
>>         piano which has very little data, so I don't know how well it
>>         behaves with HUGE databases.  Okay, enough disclaimers...Have
>>         fun!
>>
>>         -Kevin
>>
>>         ----- Original Message ----
>>         From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@... <mailto:mrmuk7@...>>
>>         To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>>         <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>>         Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 6:00:48 PM
>>         Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA
>>         for MKIV
>>
>>         I believe <remake_db/> is sent when a usb drive is inserted
>>         or removed.  There may be some attributes on there that tell
>>         you which db, or it might be something like "Update your
>>         local cache of the db now".  
>>         If you make a query while the software is building the table,
>>         you will see the songs that have been added at that point in
>>         time.  This shouldn't be of much concern; it usually only
>>         takes 30 sec to add everything to the songs table, even for
>>         large amounts of files on a drive. 
>>
>>         I don't think there was a column for artist.  If there was, I
>>         think it contained the same info as the title.  But yes,
>>         Yamaha seems to put the artist within the title.  I believe
>>         you can set the comment on the song and album using the PRC's
>>         keyboard.  Hardly anyone would want to though - quite a
>>         laborious task poking tiny buttons.  I also seem to remember
>>         being able to set the songs rating from 1 to 5 stars using
>>         the PRC/TRC.  Never investigated that much personally though. 
>>         Matthew
>>
>>         On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com
>>         <mailto:kgoroway@...>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>             Matthew,
>>
>>             I'm at work, so I can't check now, but does the piano
>>             send any notification of when it has finished building
>>             the table? 
>>
>>             I've seen <remake_db /> come out for both the CD and the
>>             FD even though there was nothing mounted.
>>
>>             Any way to query for what is already mounted? 
>>
>>             Otherwise...
>>
>>             There had been a request for the ability to search by
>>             artist, but I don't see anything explicit in the schema
>>             for artist.  It looks like it is normally stored as part
>>             of the song title (judging from the demos).  This will
>>             work fine with my current search. 
>>
>>             The fields which might be interesting to search by are as
>>             follows:
>>             song filename (already done)
>>             song rating (is there any current way to give a song a
>>             rating?  If not, I wouldn't want to assume one and break
>>             a future release.)
>>             song "your_record" (No idea what is here, maybe nothing,
>>             and no way to set it? 
>>             song comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)
>>             song title (already done)
>>             song subtitle (already done)
>>             song genre (is there any way to enter this currently?)
>>             album rating (see song rating)
>>             album comment (is there any way to enter this currently?) 
>>             album title (already done)
>>             album subtitle (are these used?)
>>
>>             Anyway, adding others is trivial at this point.  So, I'll
>>             have to investigate what is in the database when I get home.
>>
>>             -Kevin
>>
>>             ----- Original Message ----
>>             From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com
>>             <mailto:mrmuk7@...>>
>>             To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
>>             <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>>             Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:27:19 AM
>>             Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and
>>             PDA for MKIV
>>
>>             The tables for each media (ex. usb_album and usb_song)
>>             are only created when that media is inserted.  It takes a
>>             few seconds for the software to create the table, so if
>>             you insert and immediately query, you will miss results. 
>>             The tables are recreated each insertion.  This is
>>             discussed more in our paper. 
>>             Matthew
>>
>>             On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway < kgoroway@yahoo. com
>>             <mailto:kgoroway@...>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>                 I made a bunch of progress last night.  Search is
>>                 fully implemented, and works great (and FAST).  Of
>>                 course, my database is tiny compared to some of
>>                 yours, so I'll have to get some feedback from those
>>                 of you who try it. 
>>
>>                 I did expect the USB and FLOPPY tables to exist in
>>                 the database even when they weren't mounted...but
>>                 that turned out not to be the case.  So, tonight I
>>                 have to work on some code to understand when those
>>                 are mounted and when they aren't. 
>>
>>                 I have no plans to support the copying of files
>>                 between the sources, especially the protected ones.  
>>
>>                 Release this weekend (as an alpha version) is looking
>>                 quite likely.
>>
>>                 -Kevin
>>
>>                 ----- Original Message ----
>>                 From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@nc. rr.com
>>                 <mailto:tnwheeler@...> >
>>                 To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
>>                 <mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>>                 Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:29:46 PM
>>                 Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet
>>                 and PDA for MKIV 
>>
>>                 Kevin,
>>
>>                 It is scenario no. 3 below that describes how my Mark
>>                 IV is connected.
>>
>>                 Again, thanks for working on this and I look forward
>>                 to ultimately trying out your work when you are ready
>>                 to release it.  
>>
>>                 Tom
>>
>>                 On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:
>>
>>>                 Well, one of things everyone will need to understand
>>>                 is the requirements for using it...so no harm in
>>>                 leaving it in this thread for now.
>>>
>>>                 I still think we have some confusion over what you
>>>                 are seeing on wireless.  So, let me try again. 
>>>
>>>                 Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your
>>>                 computer, you have nothing connected to your DKV's
>>>                 ethernet port.
>>>
>>>                 In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you
>>>                 that there is a wireless access point out there, and
>>>                 you can hop on it, but there is nothing to be
>>>                 found.  And, you have no access whatsoever to the
>>>                 To/From PC folder. 
>>>
>>>                 Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire
>>>                 connection to your router/switch from the DKV's
>>>                 ethernet port.
>>>
>>>                 Like the first scenario, but now you have access to
>>>                 the To/From PC folder.
>>>
>>>                 Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless
>>>                 hardware to the DKV's ethernet port, turning it into
>>>                 a wireless device. 
>>>
>>>                 In this situation, your wireless card has 2
>>>                 choices.  One is the access point connected to the
>>>                 DKV's ethernet port, the other is the access point
>>>                 that the PDA/Tablet use.  If your wireless card
>>>                 attached to one, you'll see the To/From PC folder,
>>>                 if it attaches to the other...there' s nothing to be
>>>                 found. 
>>>
>>>                 Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can
>>>                 use the software, just as long as you can convince
>>>                 your wireless card to hop onto the access point that
>>>                 is there for the PDA.
>>>
>>>                 Your wife can certainly contact me directly.  I plan
>>>                 to put the searching in this weekend, and have the
>>>                 source code ready for release before Monday. 
>>>                 (although you threw in the new feature of being able
>>>                 to search by artist which I hadn't considered. :-)  ) 
>>>
>>>                 -Kevin
>>
>>
>>
>>
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-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 8:08 am
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









Wow, Hugo, thank you!

I was really concerned that it wouldn't work at all, so this is really encouraging!

How would you envision the playlists working?? Just mimic the playlists that are already on the piano?? That might be simplest.? Since I'm so new to the piano itself, I haven't played with playlists at all.? The PDA/table interface feels clunky, so I'd really like DKVBrowser to evolve into something that supports drag and drop to create playlists.? Also, editing of song titles, etc. right in the browser would be nice as well.

-Kevin


----- Original Message ----
From: "hugofon@..." <hugofon@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:40:02 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV





Kevin,


I just tried your alpha release.? Wow, it works great on my DC2 Mark IV. I don't have any problem at all.? I have a database of approximately 500 songs on the hard drive, and the browser produces a very accurate list of my softwares.? 


I have been following this discussion closely, but I have not participated in the discussion as I am really not a computer guy and have nothing techical to contribute.? Thank you so much for taking your time to work on this project.? Your work is greatly appreciated.? I can't wait for your future releases with more functionalities. ..... Perhaps a playlist or my favorites would be wonderful.? Thanks again.

Hugo


-----Original Message-----
From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com>
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 4:23 pm
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









Well, I uploaded the alpha release.

Please try it out and let me know how it goes.? This is my first ever java app, and getting these things into a working jar file was an experience!? The uploaded rar file includes the swt.jar for windows, with instructions for where to find it for other operating systems.

It's pretty crude at the moment, and doesn't yet support exporting the data.? There's probably lots of other things it doesn't support as well, since I have limited experience with the piano itself.? It also has only been tested against my piano which has very little data, so I don't know how well it behaves with HUGE databases.? Okay, enough disclaimers. ..Have fun!

-Kevin


----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 6:00:48 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV



I believe <remake_db/> is sent when a usb drive is inserted or removed.? There may be some attributes on there that tell you which db, or it might be something like "Update your local cache of the db now".? 
If you make a query while the software is building the table, you will see the songs that have been added at that point in time.? This shouldn't be of much concern; it usually only takes 30 sec to add everything to the songs table, even for large amounts of files on a drive. 

I don't think there was a column for artist.? If there was, I think it contained the same info as the title.? But yes, Yamaha seems to put the artist within the title.? I believe you can set the comment on the song and album using the PRC's keyboard.? Hardly anyone would want to though - quite a laborious task poking tiny buttons.? I also seem to remember being able to set the songs rating from 1 to 5 stars using the PRC/TRC.? Never investigated that much personally though. 
Matthew



On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote: 








Matthew,

I'm at work, so I can't check now, but does the piano send any notification of when it has finished building the table? 

I've seen <remake_db /> come out for both the CD and the FD even though there was nothing mounted.

Any way to query for what is already mounted? 

Otherwise...

There had been a request for the ability to search by artist, but I don't see anything explicit in the schema for artist.? It looks like it is normally stored as part of the song title (judging from the demos).? This will work fine with my current search. 

The fields which might be interesting to search by are as follows:
song filename (already done)
song rating (is there any current way to give a song a rating?? If not, I wouldn't want to assume one and break a future release.)
song "your_record" (No idea what is here, maybe nothing, and no way to set it? 
song comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)
song title (already done)
song subtitle (already done)
song genre (is there any way to enter this currently?)
album rating (see song rating)
album comment (is there any way to enter this currently?) 
album title (already done)
album subtitle (are these used?)

Anyway, adding others is trivial at this point.? So, I'll have to investigate what is in the database when I get home.

-Kevin


----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:27:19 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV



The tables for each media (ex. usb_album and usb_song) are only created when that media is inserted.? It takes a few seconds for the software to create the table, so if you insert and immediately query, you will miss results.? The tables are recreated each insertion.? This is discussed more in our paper. 
Matthew



On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway < kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote: 








I made a bunch of progress last night.? Search is fully implemented, and works great (and FAST).? Of course, my database is tiny compared to some of yours, so I'll have to get some feedback from those of you who try it. 

I did expect the USB and FLOPPY tables to exist in the database even when they weren't mounted...but that turned out not to be the case.? So, tonight I have to work on some code to understand when those are mounted and when they aren't. 

I have no plans to support the copying of files between the sources, especially the protected ones.? 

Release this weekend (as an alpha version) is looking quite likely.

-Kevin


----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@nc. rr.com >

To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com


Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:29:46 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV 



Kevin,




It is scenario no. 3 below that describes how my Mark IV is connected.




Again, thanks for working on this and I look forward to ultimately trying out your work when you are ready to release it. ? 




Tom




On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:





Well, one of things everyone will need to understand is the requirements for using it...so no harm in leaving it in this thread for now.

I still think we have some confusion over what you are seeing on wireless.? So, let me try again. 

Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your computer, you have nothing connected to your DKV's ethernet port.

In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you that there is a wireless access point out there, and you can hop on it, but there is nothing to be found.? And, you have no access whatsoever to the To/From PC folder. 

Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire connection to your router/switch from the DKV's ethernet port.

Like the first scenario, but now you have access to the To/From PC folder.

Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless hardware to the DKV's ethernet port, turning it into a wireless device. 

In this situation, your wireless card has 2 choices.? One is the access point connected to the DKV's ethernet port, the other is the access point that the PDA/Tablet use.? If your wireless card attached to one, you'll see the To/From PC folder, if it attaches to the other...there' s nothing to be found. 

Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can use the software, just as long as you can convince your wireless card to hop onto the access point that is there for the PDA.

Your wife can certainly contact me directly.? I plan to put the searching in this weekend, and have the source code ready for release before Monday.? (although you threw in the new feature of being able to search by artist which I hadn't considered. :-)? ) 

-Kevin















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----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2007 9:06:56 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV









  


    
            



Kevin,



Thanks for the quick turnaround. We do not get the error message any
more, but it doesn't do anything.   I type the name of a song in the
search box, and press Search, but nothing happens. I don't hear the
disk running on the Disklavier.   I have checked and the disklavier is
responding to its remote.   I think it may be something simple that we
don't understand.  Do we have to do anything special with the
postgresql jar file?  The  DLRC is telling me that the  Postgres sql
driver is not in the Classpath.  I've tried googling that but have not
found anything  I could understand.







Kevin Goroway wrote:


  New version uploaded.

  

supports:

changing pianoIP and port on the command line

renaming albums and songs directly in the tree

preliminary support for playlists

  

-Kevin

  

  

  Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:
  
    
    I didn't think the piano was ever anywhere but 192.168.88.1. ..Oh
well... this is trivial to fix.  Expect a new version very soon ( I'm
working on playlist support, but will upload a new version before it's
done)

    

-Kevin

    

    Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@nc. rr.com> wrote:

    
      
      Kevin,

      

      

      It did not work for us.  We were able to get the DLRC to
work by setting the IP to 192.168.11.15, so I guess we need a way to
configure the IP.  (We could not get anything but the page 1
functionality of DLRC to work -- there were java errors on the other
pages.

      

      

      The error we get from your program is "Unable to establish
wireless connection to piano>"

      

      

      Thanks for your efforts.

      

      
      On Nov 10, 2007, at 4:23 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:

      

      
        
        
        Well,
I uploaded the alpha release.

        

Please try it out and let me know how it goes.  This is my first ever
java app, and getting these things into a working jar file was an
experience!  The uploaded rar file includes the swt.jar for windows,
with instructions for where to find it for other operating systems.

        

It's pretty crude at the moment, and doesn't yet support exporting the
data.  There's probably lots of other things it doesn't support as
well, since I have limited experience with the piano itself.  It also
has only been tested against my piano which has very little data, so I
don't know how well it behaves with HUGE databases.  Okay, enough
disclaimers. ..Have fun!

        

-Kevin

        

        -----
Original Message ----

From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>

To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 6:00:48 PM

Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

        

        
        I believe <remake_db/> is sent when a usb drive is
inserted or removed.  There may be some attributes on there that tell
you which db, or it might be something like "Update your local cache of
the db now".  

If you make a query while the software is building the table, you will
see the songs that have been added at that point in time.  This
shouldn't be of much concern; it usually only takes 30 sec to add
everything to the songs table, even for large amounts of files on a
drive. 

        

I don't think there was a column for artist.  If there was, I think it
contained the same info as the title.  But yes, Yamaha seems to put the
artist within the title.  I believe you can set the comment on the song
and album using the PRC's keyboard.  Hardly anyone would want to though
- quite a laborious task poking tiny buttons.  I also seem to remember
being able to set the songs rating from 1 to 5 stars using the
PRC/TRC.  Never investigated that much personally though. 

Matthew

        

        

        On 11/9/07, Kevin
Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:
        
          
          
          
          
          

          

          
          Matthew,

          

I'm at work, so I can't check now, but does the piano send any
notification of when it has finished building the table? 

          

I've seen <remake_db
/> come out for both the CD and the FD even though there was nothing
mounted.

          

Any way to query for what is already mounted? 

          

Otherwise...

          

There had been a request for the ability to search by artist, but I
don't see anything explicit in the schema for artist.  It looks like it
is normally stored as part of the song title (judging from the demos). 
This will work fine with my current search. 

          

The fields which might be interesting to search by are as follows:

song filename (already done)

song rating (is there any current way to give a song a rating?  If not,
I wouldn't want to assume one and break a future release.)

song "your_record" (No idea what is here, maybe nothing, and no way to
set it? 

song comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)

song title (already done)

song subtitle (already done)

song genre (is there any way to enter this currently?)

album rating (see song rating)

album comment (is there any way to enter this currently?) 

album title (already done)

album subtitle (are these used?)

          

Anyway, adding others is trivial at this point.  So, I'll have to
investigate what is in the database when I get home.

          

-Kevin

          

          -----
Original Message ----

From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>

To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:27:19 AM

Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

          

          
          
          The tables for each media (ex. usb_album and usb_song)
are only created when that media is inserted.  It takes a few seconds
for the software to create the table, so if you insert and immediately
query, you will miss results.  The tables are recreated each
insertion.  This is discussed more in our paper. 

Matthew

          

          

          
          On 11/9/07, Kevin
Goroway < kgoroway@yahoo.
com> wrote:
          
            
            
            
            
            

            

            
            I made a bunch of progress last night.  Search is fully
implemented, and works great (and FAST).  Of course, my database is
tiny compared to some of yours, so I'll have to get some feedback from
those of you who try it. 

            

I did expect the USB and FLOPPY tables to exist in the database even
when they weren't mounted...but that turned out not to be the case. 
So, tonight I have to work on some code to understand when those are
mounted and when they aren't. 

            

I have no plans to support the copying of files between the sources,
especially the protected ones.  

            

Release this weekend (as an alpha version) is looking quite likely.

            

-Kevin

            

            
            ----- Original Message ----

From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@nc. rr.com >

            
            To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com

            

            
            Sent:
Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:29:46 PM

Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV 

            

            
            
            Kevin,

            

            

            It is scenario no. 3 below that describes how my Mark
IV is connected.

            

            

            Again, thanks for working on this and I look forward
to ultimately trying out your work when you are ready to release it.  

            

            

            Tom

            

            
            On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:

            

            
              
              
              Well, one of things
everyone will need to understand is the requirements for using it...so
no harm in leaving it in this thread for now.

              

I still think we have some confusion over what you are seeing on
wireless.  So, let me try again. 

              

Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your computer, you have
nothing connected to your DKV's ethernet port.

              

In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you that there is a
wireless access point out there, and you can hop on it, but there is
nothing to be found.  And, you have no access whatsoever to the To/From
PC folder. 

              

Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire connection to your
router/switch from the DKV's ethernet port.

              

Like the first scenario, but now you have access to the To/From PC
folder.

              

Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless hardware to the
DKV's ethernet port, turning it into a wireless device. 

              

In this situation, your wireless card has 2 choices.  One is the access
point connected to the DKV's ethernet port, the other is the access
point that the PDA/Tablet use.  If your wireless card attached to one,
you'll see the To/From PC folder, if it attaches to the other...there'
s nothing to be found. 

              

Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can use the software,
just as long as you can convince your wireless card to hop onto the
access point that is there for the PDA.

              

Your wife can certainly contact me directly.  I plan to put the
searching in this weekend, and have the source code ready for release
before Monday.  (although you threw in the new feature of being able to
search by artist which I hadn't considered. :-)  ) 

              

-Kevin

              

              

              

              
            

            

            

            

            

            

            

            

            

            

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Kevin,
This is great being able to control the piano from my office via the
computer.
Is the ability to change song titles already built in or are you
working on that? Using the PDA to do this is painfully slow.
Alos wonder if you plan to add drag and drop from a computer folder
to the piano?
Great job and thanks to the Christopoher and Matthew at UCI for
starting this.
Howard

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, hugofon@... wrote:
>
> Kevin,
>
> I think it would be a good idea if the playlists?on the PDA can be
copied to DKVBrowser.??And you are right about the PDA being
clunky.....?So if DKVBrowser can support drag and drop playlists
similar to most of the media players out there, it would be a great
time saving tool to create new playlists suitable for the mood of the
evening.? Would it be possible for the DKVBrowser playlists to be
copied to the PDA/piano?? I am not really sure?if that information is
stored on the PDA or the piano.
>
> Editing the song info in the Browser would indeed be a nice feature
to have too.? I remember reading many previous posts with questions
about editing the metadata of the songs.? It sounds like the
possibilities are endless here.?
>
> I did not have an issue with the IP address.? My laptop?was
configured to accept DHCP assignment, and the Disklavier access point
assigned the same dummy IP of 192.168.88.14 to my wireless card every
time a connection was made.??I also noticed that?a connection could
be made even when the paino was?in standby mode. Perhaps the access
point was simply waiting for the PDA to be turned on.? Also, by
launching the DKVBrowser and searching for softwares, the piano came
out of the standby mode and could start playing.
>
> Please keep up the good work.? Thanks again.
>
> Hugo
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Goroway .>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 8:08 am
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Wow, Hugo, thank you!
>
> I was really concerned that it wouldn't work at all, so this is
really encouraging!
>
> How would you envision the playlists working?? Just mimic the
playlists that are already on the piano?? That might be simplest.?
Since I'm so new to the piano itself, I haven't played with playlists
at all.? The PDA/table interface feels clunky, so I'd really like
DKVBrowser to evolve into something that supports drag and drop to
create playlists.? Also, editing of song titles, etc. right in the
browser would be nice as well.
>
> -Kevin
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "hugofon@..." >
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:40:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
>
>
>
>
>
> Kevin,
>
>
> I just tried your alpha release.? Wow, it works great on my DC2
Mark IV. I don't have any problem at all.? I have a database of
approximately 500 songs on the hard drive, and the browser produces a
very accurate list of my softwares.?
>
>
> I have been following this discussion closely, but I have not
participated in the discussion as I am really not a computer guy and
have nothing techical to contribute.? Thank you so much for taking
your time to work on this project.? Your work is greatly
appreciated.? I can't wait for your future releases with more
functionalities. ..... Perhaps a playlist or my favorites would be
wonderful.? Thanks again.
>
> Hugo
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Goroway
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 4:23 pm
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, I uploaded the alpha release.
>
> Please try it out and let me know how it goes.? This is my first
ever java app, and getting these things into a working jar file was
an experience!? The uploaded rar file includes the swt.jar for
windows, with instructions for where to find it for other operating
systems.
>
> It's pretty crude at the moment, and doesn't yet support exporting
the data.? There's probably lots of other things it doesn't support
as well, since I have limited experience with the piano itself.? It
also has only been tested against my piano which has very little
data, so I don't know how well it behaves with HUGE databases.? Okay,
enough disclaimers. ..Have fun!
>
> -Kevin
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Matthew Teeter
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 6:00:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
>
>
>
> I believe is sent when a usb drive is inserted or
removed.? There may be some attributes on there that tell you which
db, or it might be something like "Update your local cache of the db
now".?
> If you make a query while the software is building the table, you
will see the songs that have been added at that point in time.? This
shouldn't be of much concern; it usually only takes 30 sec to add
everything to the songs table, even for large amounts of files on a
drive.
>
> I don't think there was a column for artist.? If there was, I think
it contained the same info as the title.? But yes, Yamaha seems to
put the artist within the title.? I believe you can set the comment
on the song and album using the PRC's keyboard.? Hardly anyone would
want to though - quite a laborious task poking tiny buttons.? I also
seem to remember being able to set the songs rating from 1 to 5 stars
using the PRC/TRC.? Never investigated that much personally though.
> Matthew
>
>
>
> On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Matthew,
>
> I'm at work, so I can't check now, but does the piano send any
notification of when it has finished building the table?
>
> I've seen come out for both the CD and the FD even
though there was nothing mounted.
>
> Any way to query for what is already mounted?
>
> Otherwise...
>
> There had been a request for the ability to search by artist, but I
don't see anything explicit in the schema for artist.? It looks like
it is normally stored as part of the song title (judging from the
demos).? This will work fine with my current search.
>
> The fields which might be interesting to search by are as follows:
> song filename (already done)
> song rating (is there any current way to give a song a rating?? If
not, I wouldn't want to assume one and break a future release.)
> song "your_record" (No idea what is here, maybe nothing, and no way
to set it?
> song comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)
> song title (already done)
> song subtitle (already done)
> song genre (is there any way to enter this currently?)
> album rating (see song rating)
> album comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)
> album title (already done)
> album subtitle (are these used?)
>
> Anyway, adding others is trivial at this point.? So, I'll have to
investigate what is in the database when I get home.
>
> -Kevin
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Matthew Teeter
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:27:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
>
>
>
> The tables for each media (ex. usb_album and usb_song) are only
created when that media is inserted.? It takes a few seconds for the
software to create the table, so if you insert and immediately query,
you will miss results.? The tables are recreated each insertion.?
This is discussed more in our paper.
> Matthew
>
>
>
> On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway < kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I made a bunch of progress last night.? Search is fully
implemented, and works great (and FAST).? Of course, my database is
tiny compared to some of yours, so I'll have to get some feedback
from those of you who try it.
>
> I did expect the USB and FLOPPY tables to exist in the database
even when they weren't mounted...but that turned out not to be the
case.? So, tonight I have to work on some code to understand when
those are mounted and when they aren't.
>
> I have no plans to support the copying of files between the
sources, especially the protected ones.?
>
> Release this weekend (as an alpha version) is looking quite likely.
>
> -Kevin
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tom Wheeler
>
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
>
>
> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:29:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for
MKIV
>
>
>
> Kevin,
>
>
>
>
> It is scenario no. 3 below that describes how my Mark IV is
connected.
>
>
>
>
> Again, thanks for working on this and I look forward to ultimately
trying out your work when you are ready to release it. ?
>
>
>
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Well, one of things everyone will need to understand is the
requirements for using it...so no harm in leaving it in this thread
for now.
>
> I still think we have some confusion over what you are seeing on
wireless.? So, let me try again.
>
> Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your computer, you have
nothing connected to your DKV's ethernet port.
>
> In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you that there is a
wireless access point out there, and you can hop on it, but there is
nothing to be found.? And, you have no access whatsoever to the
To/From PC folder.
>
> Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire connection to your
router/switch from the DKV's ethernet port.
>
> Like the first scenario, but now you have access to the To/From PC
folder.
>
> Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless hardware to
the DKV's ethernet port, turning it into a wireless device.
>
> In this situation, your wireless card has 2 choices.? One is the
access point connected to the DKV's ethernet port, the other is the
access point that the PDA/Tablet use.? If your wireless card attached
to one, you'll see the To/From PC folder, if it attaches to the
other...there' s nothing to be found.
>
> Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can use the software,
just as long as you can convince your wireless card to hop onto the
access point that is there for the PDA.
>
> Your wife can certainly contact me directly.? I plan to put the
searching in this weekend, and have the source code ready for release
before Monday.? (although you threw in the new feature of being able
to search by artist which I hadn't considered. :-)? )
>
> -Kevin
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin Goroway
Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 9:27 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

 

Glad you are enjoying it.  You can change album and song titles for anything
in the pianosoft or user catalog in verion 0.2 (uploaded last night).

Drag and drop from the computer to the piano is already supported by the
piano (assuming you are connected to it's physical networking port somehow),
and isn't a feature that the interface DKVBrowser is sitting on top of
provides.  I should probably support the to/from piano folder though.

-Kevin

Cheetham <cheetham@...> wrote:

Kevin,
This is great being able to control the piano from my office via the 
computer. 
Is the ability to change song titles already built in or are you 
working on that? Using the PDA to do this is painfully slow.
Alos wonder if you plan to add drag and drop from a computer folder 
to the piano?
Great job and thanks to the Christopoher and Matthew at UCI for 
starting this.
Howard

--- In disklavier@yahoogro <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com,
hugofon@... wrote:
>
> Kevin,
> 
> I think it would be a good idea if the playlists?on the PDA can be 
copied to DKVBrowser.??And you are right about the PDA being 
clunky.....?So if DKVBrowser can support drag and drop playlists 
similar to most of the media players out there, it would be a great 
time saving tool to create new playlists suitable for the mood of the 
evening.? Would it be possible for the DKVBrowser playlists to be 
copied to the PDA/piano?? I am not really sure?if that information is 
stored on the PDA or the piano.
> 
> Editing the song info in the Browser would indeed be a nice feature 
to have too.? I remember reading many previous posts with questions 
about editing the metadata of the songs.? It sounds like the 
possibilities are endless here.? 
> 
> I did not have an issue with the IP address.? My laptop?was 
configured to accept DHCP assignment, and the Disklavier access point 
assigned the same dummy IP of 192.168.88.14 to my wireless card every 
time a connection was made.??I also noticed that?a connection could 
be made even when the paino was?in standby mode. Perhaps the access 
point was simply waiting for the PDA to be turned on.? Also, by 
launching the DKVBrowser and searching for softwares, the piano came 
out of the standby mode and could start playing.
> 
> Please keep up the good work.? Thanks again.
> 
> Hugo
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogro <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
> Sent: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 8:08 am
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Wow, Hugo, thank you!
> 
> I was really concerned that it wouldn't work at all, so this is 
really encouraging!
> 
> How would you envision the playlists working?? Just mimic the 
playlists that are already on the piano?? That might be simplest.? 
Since I'm so new to the piano itself, I haven't played with playlists 
at all.? The PDA/table interface feels clunky, so I'd really like 
DKVBrowser to evolve into something that supports drag and drop to 
create playlists.? Also, editing of song titles, etc. right in the 
browser would be nice as well.
> 
> -Kevin
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "hugofon@..." <hugofon@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogro <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:40:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kevin,
> 
> 
> I just tried your alpha release.? Wow, it works great on my DC2 
Mark IV. I don't have any problem at all.? I have a database of 
approximately 500 songs on the hard drive, and the browser produces a 
very accurate list of my softwares.? 
> 
> 
> I have been following this discussion closely, but I have not 
participated in the discussion as I am really not a computer guy and 
have nothing techical to contribute.? Thank you so much for taking 
your time to work on this project.? Your work is greatly 
appreciated.? I can't wait for your future releases with more 
functionalities. ..... Perhaps a playlist or my favorites would be 
wonderful.? Thanks again.
> 
> Hugo
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com>
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 4:23 pm
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Well, I uploaded the alpha release.
> 
> Please try it out and let me know how it goes.? This is my first 
ever java app, and getting these things into a working jar file was 
an experience!? The uploaded rar file includes the swt.jar for 
windows, with instructions for where to find it for other operating 
systems.
> 
> It's pretty crude at the moment, and doesn't yet support exporting 
the data.? There's probably lots of other things it doesn't support 
as well, since I have limited experience with the piano itself.? It 
also has only been tested against my piano which has very little 
data, so I don't know how well it behaves with HUGE databases.? Okay, 
enough disclaimers. ..Have fun!
> 
> -Kevin
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 6:00:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
> 
> 
> 
> I believe <remake_db/> is sent when a usb drive is inserted or 
removed.? There may be some attributes on there that tell you which 
db, or it might be something like "Update your local cache of the db 
now".? 
> If you make a query while the software is building the table, you 
will see the songs that have been added at that point in time.? This 
shouldn't be of much concern; it usually only takes 30 sec to add 
everything to the songs table, even for large amounts of files on a 
drive. 
> 
> I don't think there was a column for artist.? If there was, I think 
it contained the same info as the title.? But yes, Yamaha seems to 
put the artist within the title.? I believe you can set the comment 
on the song and album using the PRC's keyboard.? Hardly anyone would 
want to though - quite a laborious task poking tiny buttons.? I also 
seem to remember being able to set the songs rating from 1 to 5 stars 
using the PRC/TRC.? Never investigated that much personally though. 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Matthew,
> 
> I'm at work, so I can't check now, but does the piano send any 
notification of when it has finished building the table? 
> 
> I've seen <remake_db /> come out for both the CD and the FD even 
though there was nothing mounted.
> 
> Any way to query for what is already mounted? 
> 
> Otherwise...
> 
> There had been a request for the ability to search by artist, but I 
don't see anything explicit in the schema for artist.? It looks like 
it is normally stored as part of the song title (judging from the 
demos).? This will work fine with my current search. 
> 
> The fields which might be interesting to search by are as follows:
> song filename (already done)
> song rating (is there any current way to give a song a rating?? If 
not, I wouldn't want to assume one and break a future release.)
> song "your_record" (No idea what is here, maybe nothing, and no way 
to set it? 
> song comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)
> song title (already done)
> song subtitle (already done)
> song genre (is there any way to enter this currently?)
> album rating (see song rating)
> album comment (is there any way to enter this currently?) 
> album title (already done)
> album subtitle (are these used?)
> 
> Anyway, adding others is trivial at this point.? So, I'll have to 
investigate what is in the database when I get home.
> 
> -Kevin
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:27:19 AM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
> 
> 
> 
> The tables for each media (ex. usb_album and usb_song) are only 
created when that media is inserted.? It takes a few seconds for the 
software to create the table, so if you insert and immediately query, 
you will miss results.? The tables are recreated each insertion.? 
This is discussed more in our paper. 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway < kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I made a bunch of progress last night.? Search is fully 
implemented, and works great (and FAST).? Of course, my database is 
tiny compared to some of yours, so I'll have to get some feedback 
from those of you who try it. 
> 
> I did expect the USB and FLOPPY tables to exist in the database 
even when they weren't mounted...but that turned out not to be the 
case.? So, tonight I have to work on some code to understand when 
those are mounted and when they aren't. 
> 
> I have no plans to support the copying of files between the 
sources, especially the protected ones.? 
> 
> Release this weekend (as an alpha version) is looking quite likely.
> 
> -Kevin
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@nc. rr.com >
> 
> To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:29:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for 
MKIV 
> 
> 
> 
> Kevin,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> It is scenario no. 3 below that describes how my Mark IV is 
connected.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Again, thanks for working on this and I look forward to ultimately 
trying out your work when you are ready to release it. ? 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Tom
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Well, one of things everyone will need to understand is the 
requirements for using it...so no harm in leaving it in this thread 
for now.
> 
> I still think we have some confusion over what you are seeing on 
wireless.? So, let me try again. 
> 
> Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your computer, you have 
nothing connected to your DKV's ethernet port.
> 
> In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you that there is a 
wireless access point out there, and you can hop on it, but there is 
nothing to be found.? And, you have no access whatsoever to the 
To/From PC folder. 
> 
> Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire connection to your 
router/switch from the DKV's ethernet port.
> 
> Like the first scenario, but now you have access to the To/From PC 
folder.
> 
> Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless hardware to 
the DKV's ethernet port, turning it into a wireless device. 
> 
> In this situation, your wireless card has 2 choices.? One is the 
access point connected to the DKV's ethernet port, the other is the 
access point that the PDA/Tablet use.? If your wireless card attached 
to one, you'll see the To/From PC folder, if it attaches to the 
other...there' s nothing to be found. 
> 
> Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can use the software, 
just as long as you can convince your wireless card to hop onto the 
access point that is there for the PDA.
> 
> Your wife can certainly contact me directly.? I plan to put the 
searching in this weekend, and have the source code ready for release 
before Monday.? (although you threw in the new feature of being able 
to search by artist which I hadn't considered. :-)? ) 
> 
> -Kevin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> hugofon@ wrote:
> >
> > Kevin,
> > 
> > I think it would be a good idea if the playlists?on the PDA can be 
> copied to DKVBrowser.??And you are right about the PDA being 
> clunky.....?So if DKVBrowser can support drag and drop playlists 
> similar to most of the media players out there, it would be a great 
> time saving tool to create new playlists suitable for the mood of the 
> evening.? Would it be possible for the DKVBrowser playlists to be 
> copied to the PDA/piano?? I am not really sure?if that information is 
> stored on the PDA or the piano.
> > 
> > Editing the song info in the Browser would indeed be a nice feature 
> to have too.? I remember reading many previous posts with questions 
> about editing the metadata of the songs.? It sounds like the 
> possibilities are endless here.? 
> > 
> > I did not have an issue with the IP address.? My laptop?was 
> configured to accept DHCP assignment, and the Disklavier access point 
> assigned the same dummy IP of 192.168.88.14 to my wireless card every 
> time a connection was made.??I also noticed that?a connection could 
> be made even when the paino was?in standby mode. Perhaps the access 
> point was simply waiting for the PDA to be turned on.? Also, by 
> launching the DKVBrowser and searching for softwares, the piano came 
> out of the standby mode and could start playing.
> > 
> > Please keep up the good work.? Thanks again.
> > 
> > Hugo
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@>
> > To: disklavier@yahoogro <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
> > Sent: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 8:08 am
> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Wow, Hugo, thank you!
> > 
> > I was really concerned that it wouldn't work at all, so this is 
> really encouraging!
> > 
> > How would you envision the playlists working?? Just mimic the 
> playlists that are already on the piano?? That might be simplest.? 
> Since I'm so new to the piano itself, I haven't played with playlists 
> at all.? The PDA/table interface feels clunky, so I'd really like 
> DKVBrowser to evolve into something that supports drag and drop to 
> create playlists.? Also, editing of song titles, etc. right in the 
> browser would be nice as well.
> > 
> > -Kevin
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: "hugofon@" <hugofon@>
> > To: disklavier@yahoogro <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:40:02 PM
> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Kevin,
> > 
> > 
> > I just tried your alpha release.? Wow, it works great on my DC2 
> Mark IV. I don't have any problem at all.? I have a database of 
> approximately 500 songs on the hard drive, and the browser produces a 
> very accurate list of my softwares.? 
> > 
> > 
> > I have been following this discussion closely, but I have not 
> participated in the discussion as I am really not a computer guy and 
> have nothing techical to contribute.? Thank you so much for taking 
> your time to work on this project.? Your work is greatly 
> appreciated.? I can't wait for your future releases with more 
> functionalities. ..... Perhaps a playlist or my favorites would be 
> wonderful.? Thanks again.
> > 
> > Hugo
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com>
> > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 4:23 pm
> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Well, I uploaded the alpha release.
> > 
> > Please try it out and let me know how it goes.? This is my first 
> ever java app, and getting these things into a working jar file was 
> an experience!? The uploaded rar file includes the swt.jar for 
> windows, with instructions for where to find it for other operating 
> systems.
> > 
> > It's pretty crude at the moment, and doesn't yet support exporting 
> the data.? There's probably lots of other things it doesn't support 
> as well, since I have limited experience with the piano itself.? It 
> also has only been tested against my piano which has very little 
> data, so I don't know how well it behaves with HUGE databases.? Okay, 
> enough disclaimers. ..Have fun!
> > 
> > -Kevin
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
> > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 6:00:48 PM
> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I believe <remake_db/> is sent when a usb drive is inserted or 
> removed.? There may be some attributes on there that tell you which 
> db, or it might be something like "Update your local cache of the db 
> now".? 
> > If you make a query while the software is building the table, you 
> will see the songs that have been added at that point in time.? This 
> shouldn't be of much concern; it usually only takes 30 sec to add 
> everything to the songs table, even for large amounts of files on a 
> drive. 
> > 
> > I don't think there was a column for artist.? If there was, I think 
> it contained the same info as the title.? But yes, Yamaha seems to 
> put the artist within the title.? I believe you can set the comment 
> on the song and album using the PRC's keyboard.? Hardly anyone would 
> want to though - quite a laborious task poking tiny buttons.? I also 
> seem to remember being able to set the songs rating from 1 to 5 stars 
> using the PRC/TRC.? Never investigated that much personally though. 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Matthew,
> > 
> > I'm at work, so I can't check now, but does the piano send any 
> notification of when it has finished building the table? 
> > 
> > I've seen <remake_db /> come out for both the CD and the FD even 
> though there was nothing mounted.
> > 
> > Any way to query for what is already mounted? 
> > 
> > Otherwise...
> > 
> > There had been a request for the ability to search by artist, but I 
> don't see anything explicit in the schema for artist.? It looks like 
> it is normally stored as part of the song title (judging from the 
> demos).? This will work fine with my current search. 
> > 
> > The fields which might be interesting to search by are as follows:
> > song filename (already done)
> > song rating (is there any current way to give a song a rating?? If 
> not, I wouldn't want to assume one and break a future release.)
> > song "your_record" (No idea what is here, maybe nothing, and no way 
> to set it? 
> > song comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)
> > song title (already done)
> > song subtitle (already done)
> > song genre (is there any way to enter this currently?)
> > album rating (see song rating)
> > album comment (is there any way to enter this currently?) 
> > album title (already done)
> > album subtitle (are these used?)
> > 
> > Anyway, adding others is trivial at this point.? So, I'll have to 
> investigate what is in the database when I get home.
> > 
> > -Kevin
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
> > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> > Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:27:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The tables for each media (ex. usb_album and usb_song) are only 
> created when that media is inserted.? It takes a few seconds for the 
> software to create the table, so if you insert and immediately query, 
> you will miss results.? The tables are recreated each insertion.? 
> This is discussed more in our paper. 
> > Matthew
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway < kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I made a bunch of progress last night.? Search is fully 
> implemented, and works great (and FAST).? Of course, my database is 
> tiny compared to some of yours, so I'll have to get some feedback 
> from those of you who try it. 
> > 
> > I did expect the USB and FLOPPY tables to exist in the database 
> even when they weren't mounted...but that turned out not to be the 
> case.? So, tonight I have to work on some code to understand when 
> those are mounted and when they aren't. 
> > 
> > I have no plans to support the copying of files between the 
> sources, especially the protected ones.? 
> > 
> > Release this weekend (as an alpha version) is looking quite likely.
> > 
> > -Kevin
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@nc. rr.com >
> > 
> > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
> > 
> > 
> > Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:29:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for 
> MKIV 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Kevin,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > It is scenario no. 3 below that describes how my Mark IV is 
> connected.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Again, thanks for working on this and I look forward to ultimately 
> trying out your work when you are ready to release it. ? 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Tom
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Well, one of things everyone will need to understand is the 
> requirements for using it...so no harm in leaving it in this thread 
> for now.
> > 
> > I still think we have some confusion over what you are seeing on 
> wireless.? So, let me try again. 
> > 
> > Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your computer, you have 
> nothing connected to your DKV's ethernet port.
> > 
> > In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you that there is a 
> wireless access point out there, and you can hop on it, but there is 
> nothing to be found.? And, you have no access whatsoever to the 
> To/From PC folder. 
> > 
> > Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire connection to your 
> router/switch from the DKV's ethernet port.
> > 
> > Like the first scenario, but now you have access to the To/From PC 
> folder.
> > 
> > Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless hardware to 
> the DKV's ethernet port, turning it into a wireless device. 
> > 
> > In this situation, your wireless card has 2 choices.? One is the 
> access point connected to the DKV's ethernet port, the other is the 
> access point that the PDA/Tablet use.? If your wireless card attached 
> to one, you'll see the To/From PC folder, if it attaches to the 
> other...there' s nothing to be found. 
> > 
> > Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can use the software, 
> just as long as you can convince your wireless card to hop onto the 
> access point that is there for the PDA.
> > 
> > Your wife can certainly contact me directly.? I plan to put the 
> searching in this weekend, and have the source code ready for release 
> before Monday.? (although you threw in the new feature of being able 
> to search by artist which I hadn't considered. :-)? ) 
> > 
> > -Kevin
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
> > http://mail. yahoo.com 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
> > http://mail. yahoo.com 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around 
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> > 
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> Cheetham <cheetham@...> wrote:                               Kevin,
>  This is great being able to control the piano from my office via the 
>  computer. 
>  Is the ability to change song titles already built in or are you 
>  working on that? Using the PDA to do this is painfully slow.
>  Alos wonder if you plan to add drag and drop from a computer folder 
>  to the piano?
>  Great job and thanks to the Christopoher and Matthew at UCI for 
>  starting this.
>  Howard
>  
>  --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, hugofon@ wrote:
>  >
>  > Kevin,
>  > 
>  > I think it would be a good idea if the playlists?on the PDA can be 
>  copied to DKVBrowser.??And you are right about the PDA being 
>  clunky.....?So if DKVBrowser can support drag and drop playlists 
>  similar to most of the media players out there, it would be a great 
>  time saving tool to create new playlists suitable for the mood of the 
>  evening.? Would it be possible for the DKVBrowser playlists to be 
>  copied to the PDA/piano?? I am not really sure?if that information is 
>  stored on the PDA or the piano.
>  > 
>  > Editing the song info in the Browser would indeed be a nice feature 
>  to have too.? I remember reading many previous posts with questions 
>  about editing the metadata of the songs.? It sounds like the 
>  possibilities are endless here.? 
>  > 
>  > I did not have an issue with the IP address.? My laptop?was 
>  configured to accept DHCP assignment, and the Disklavier access point 
>  assigned the same dummy IP of 192.168.88.14 to my wireless card every 
>  time a connection was made.??I also noticed that?a connection could 
>  be made even when the paino was?in standby mode. Perhaps the access 
>  point was simply waiting for the PDA to be turned on.? Also, by 
>  launching the DKVBrowser and searching for softwares, the piano came 
>  out of the standby mode and could start playing.
>  > 
>  > Please keep up the good work.? Thanks again.
>  > 
>  > Hugo
>  > 
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@>
>  > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>  > Sent: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 8:08 am
>  > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Wow, Hugo, thank you!
>  > 
>  > I was really concerned that it wouldn't work at all, so this is 
>  really encouraging!
>  > 
>  > How would you envision the playlists working?? Just mimic the 
>  playlists that are already on the piano?? That might be simplest.? 
>  Since I'm so new to the piano itself, I haven't played with playlists 
>  at all.? The PDA/table interface feels clunky, so I'd really like 
>  DKVBrowser to evolve into something that supports drag and drop to 
>  create playlists.? Also, editing of song titles, etc. right in the 
>  browser would be nice as well.
>  > 
>  > -Kevin
>  > 
>  > 
>  > ----- Original Message ----
>  > From: "hugofon@" <hugofon@>
>  > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>  > Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2007 9:40:02 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Kevin,
>  > 
>  > 
>  > I just tried your alpha release.? Wow, it works great on my DC2 
>  Mark IV. I don't have any problem at all.? I have a database of 
>  approximately 500 songs on the hard drive, and the browser produces a 
>  very accurate list of my softwares.? 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > I have been following this discussion closely, but I have not 
>  participated in the discussion as I am really not a computer guy and 
>  have nothing techical to contribute.? Thank you so much for taking 
>  your time to work on this project.? Your work is greatly 
>  appreciated.? I can't wait for your future releases with more 
>  functionalities. ..... Perhaps a playlist or my favorites would be 
>  wonderful.? Thanks again.
>  > 
>  > Hugo
>  > 
>  > 
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com>
>  > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
>  > Sent: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 4:23 pm
>  > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Well, I uploaded the alpha release.
>  > 
>  > Please try it out and let me know how it goes.? This is my first 
>  ever java app, and getting these things into a working jar file was 
>  an experience!? The uploaded rar file includes the swt.jar for 
>  windows, with instructions for where to find it for other operating 
>  systems.
>  > 
>  > It's pretty crude at the moment, and doesn't yet support exporting 
>  the data.? There's probably lots of other things it doesn't support 
>  as well, since I have limited experience with the piano itself.? It 
>  also has only been tested against my piano which has very little 
>  data, so I don't know how well it behaves with HUGE databases.? Okay, 
>  enough disclaimers. ..Have fun!
>  > 
>  > -Kevin
>  > 
>  > 
>  > ----- Original Message ----
>  > From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
>  > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
>  > Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 6:00:48 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > I believe <remake_db/> is sent when a usb drive is inserted or 
>  removed.? There may be some attributes on there that tell you which 
>  db, or it might be something like "Update your local cache of the db 
>  now".? 
>  > If you make a query while the software is building the table, you 
>  will see the songs that have been added at that point in time.? This 
>  shouldn't be of much concern; it usually only takes 30 sec to add 
>  everything to the songs table, even for large amounts of files on a 
>  drive. 
>  > 
>  > I don't think there was a column for artist.? If there was, I think 
>  it contained the same info as the title.? But yes, Yamaha seems to 
>  put the artist within the title.? I believe you can set the comment 
>  on the song and album using the PRC's keyboard.? Hardly anyone would 
>  want to though - quite a laborious task poking tiny buttons.? I also 
>  seem to remember being able to set the songs rating from 1 to 5 stars 
>  using the PRC/TRC.? Never investigated that much personally though. 
>  > Matthew
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote: 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Matthew,
>  > 
>  > I'm at work, so I can't check now, but does the piano send any 
>  notification of when it has finished building the table? 
>  > 
>  > I've seen <remake_db /> come out for both the CD and the FD even 
>  though there was nothing mounted.
>  > 
>  > Any way to query for what is already mounted? 
>  > 
>  > Otherwise...
>  > 
>  > There had been a request for the ability to search by artist, but I 
>  don't see anything explicit in the schema for artist.? It looks like 
>  it is normally stored as part of the song title (judging from the 
>  demos).? This will work fine with my current search. 
>  > 
>  > The fields which might be interesting to search by are as follows:
>  > song filename (already done)
>  > song rating (is there any current way to give a song a rating?? If 
>  not, I wouldn't want to assume one and break a future release.)
>  > song "your_record" (No idea what is here, maybe nothing, and no way 
>  to set it? 
>  > song comment (is there any way to enter this currently?)
>  > song title (already done)
>  > song subtitle (already done)
>  > song genre (is there any way to enter this currently?)
>  > album rating (see song rating)
>  > album comment (is there any way to enter this currently?) 
>  > album title (already done)
>  > album subtitle (are these used?)
>  > 
>  > Anyway, adding others is trivial at this point.? So, I'll have to 
>  investigate what is in the database when I get home.
>  > 
>  > -Kevin
>  > 
>  > 
>  > ----- Original Message ----
>  > From: Matthew Teeter <mrmuk7@gmail. com>
>  > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
>  > Sent: Friday, November 9, 2007 10:27:19 AM
>  > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > The tables for each media (ex. usb_album and usb_song) are only 
>  created when that media is inserted.? It takes a few seconds for the 
>  software to create the table, so if you insert and immediately query, 
>  you will miss results.? The tables are recreated each insertion.? 
>  This is discussed more in our paper. 
>  > Matthew
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > On 11/9/07, Kevin Goroway < kgoroway@yahoo. com> wrote: 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > I made a bunch of progress last night.? Search is fully 
>  implemented, and works great (and FAST).? Of course, my database is 
>  tiny compared to some of yours, so I'll have to get some feedback 
>  from those of you who try it. 
>  > 
>  > I did expect the USB and FLOPPY tables to exist in the database 
>  even when they weren't mounted...but that turned out not to be the 
>  case.? So, tonight I have to work on some code to understand when 
>  those are mounted and when they aren't. 
>  > 
>  > I have no plans to support the copying of files between the 
>  sources, especially the protected ones.? 
>  > 
>  > Release this weekend (as an alpha version) is looking quite likely.
>  > 
>  > -Kevin
>  > 
>  > 
>  > ----- Original Message ----
>  > From: Tom Wheeler <tnwheeler@nc. rr.com >
>  > 
>  > To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2007 6:29:46 PM
>  > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for 
>  MKIV 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Kevin,
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > It is scenario no. 3 below that describes how my Mark IV is 
>  connected.
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Again, thanks for working on this and I look forward to ultimately 
>  trying out your work when you are ready to release it. ? 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Tom
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > On Nov 8, 2007, at 4:17 PM, Kevin Goroway wrote:
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Well, one of things everyone will need to understand is the 
>  requirements for using it...so no harm in leaving it in this thread 
>  for now.
>  > 
>  > I still think we have some confusion over what you are seeing on 
>  wireless.? So, let me try again. 
>  > 
>  > Scenario #1) You have a wireless card on your computer, you have 
>  nothing connected to your DKV's ethernet port.
>  > 
>  > In this scenario, your wireless card might tell you that there is a 
>  wireless access point out there, and you can hop on it, but there is 
>  nothing to be found.? And, you have no access whatsoever to the 
>  To/From PC folder. 
>  > 
>  > Scenario #2) Like #1, but you have a hard wire connection to your 
>  router/switch from the DKV's ethernet port.
>  > 
>  > Like the first scenario, but now you have access to the To/From PC 
>  folder.
>  > 
>  > Scenario #3) Like #1, but you have attacted wireless hardware to 
>  the DKV's ethernet port, turning it into a wireless device. 
>  > 
>  > In this situation, your wireless card has 2 choices.? One is the 
>  access point connected to the DKV's ethernet port, the other is the 
>  access point that the PDA/Tablet use.? If your wireless card attached 
>  to one, you'll see the To/From PC folder, if it attaches to the 
>  other...there' s nothing to be found. 
>  > 
>  > Just to be clear, in all 3 of those cases you can use the software, 
>  just as long as you can convince your wireless card to hop onto the 
>  access point that is there for the PDA.
>  > 
>  > Your wife can certainly contact me directly.? I plan to put the 
>  searching in this weekend, and have the source code ready for release 
>  before Monday.? (although you threw in the new feature of being able 
>  to search by artist which I hadn't considered. :-)? ) 
>  > 
>  > -Kevin
>  > 
>  > 
>  > 
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----- Original Message ----
From: kgoroway <kgoroway@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:12:04 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV










  


    
            Alpha version 0.22 uploaded to SourceForge.  Source code isn't there

yet, but all further discussion on this project will move to the

forums there.  You can register to be emailed when new releases come out.



The latest one supports playlists, and drag and drop.



get it here:

https://sourceforge .net/projects/ dkvbrowser



Hope to see you there!



-Kevin





    
  

    
    




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-----Original Message-----
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin Goroway
Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2007 9:13 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV





So, about 20 people downloaded version 0.22, but no one signed up for
automatic notifications when a new version is there.  I suggest you do that
if you have any interest in the project, since I plan to stop sending
information about updates to this list...

I just put version 0.23 on SourceForge.  It adds support for the cd drive (
a request ), and adds a confirmation dialog when deleting from the playlist.
I also posted a message on the forum there seeking help from someone who can
draw icons.

get it here:
https://sourceforge .net/projects/
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/dkvbrowser> dkvbrowser

-Kevin


----- Original Message ----
From: kgoroway <kgoroway@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:12:04 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV



Alpha version 0.22 uploaded to SourceForge. Source code isn't there
yet, but all further discussion on this project will move to the
forums there. You can register to be emailed when new releases come out.

The latest one supports playlists, and drag and drop.

get it here:
https://sourceforge .net/projects/ dkvbrowser
<https://sourceforge.net/projects/dkvbrowser> 

Hope to see you there!

-Kevin





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From: Kevin Goroway
Date: Fri, November 16, 2007 2:13 pm
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com

So, about 20 people downloaded version 0.22, but no one signed up for automatic notifications when a new version is there.� I suggest you do that if you have any interest in the project, since I plan to stop sending information about updates to this list...

I just put version 0.23 on SourceForge.� It adds support for the cd drive ( a request ), and adds a confirmation dialog when deleting from the playlist.� I also posted a message on the forum there seeking help from someone who can draw icons.

get it here:
https://sourceforge .net/projects/ dkvbrowser

-Kevin

----- Original Message ----
From: kgoroway com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:12:04 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV

Alpha version 0.22 uploaded to SourceForge. Source code isn't there
yet, but all further discussion on this project will move to the
forums there. You can register to be emailed when new releases come out.

The latest one supports playlists, and drag and drop.

get it here:
https://sourceforge .net/projects/ dkvbrowser

Hope to see you there!

-Kevin

Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now.

----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Weinstock <mweinstock@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 7:14:38 PM
Subject: RE: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV










  


    
            



Hi 
Kevin,

 

Its 
not obvious to me where to sign up for the automatic notifications in the 
sourceforge dkvbrowser site.  Can you please elaborate on how/where to 
signup ?

 

I only 
have a MkIII, so the project is not personally useful to me, but that said, I am 
an IT professional and am very interested in both the discussion and the 
development and want to keep myself informed on the progress as it 
happens.  The way you capture the datacomms conversation using ethereal to 
work out how to mimic the PDA is similar to how I capture client server 
datacomms for the purpose of synthetic load testing... where I spoof client 
connections and interactions so I can stress and volume test applications before 
they go into production.

 

Best 
regards,

 

Michael Weinstock

Melbourne, Australia

 


  

  -----Original Message-----
From: 
  disklavier@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:disklavier@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of 
  Kevin Goroway
Sent: Saturday, 17 November 2007 9:13 
  AM
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: Re: 
  [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV



  
  
  

  So, 
  about 20 people downloaded version 0.22, but no one signed up for automatic 
  notifications when a new version is there.  I suggest you do that if you 
  have any interest in the project, since I plan to stop sending information 
  about updates to this list...

I just put version 0.23 on 
  SourceForge.  It adds support for the cd drive ( a request ), and adds a 
  confirmation dialog when deleting from the playlist.  I also posted a 
  message on the forum there seeking help from someone who can draw 
  icons.

get it here:
https://sourceforge .net/projects/ 
  dkvbrowser

-Kevin


  ----- 
  Original Message ----
From: kgoroway <kgoroway@yahoo. com>
To: 
  disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2007 8:12:04 
  PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Alternative to tablet and PDA for MKIV


  
  Alpha version 0.22 uploaded to SourceForge. Source code isn't there
yet, 
  but all further discussion on this project will move to the
forums there. 
  You can register to be emailed when new releases come out.

The latest 
  one supports playlists, and drag and drop.

get it here:
https://sourceforge .net/projects/ dkvbrowser

Hope to 
  see you there!

-Kevin









  
  Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try 
  it now.
  



    
  

    
    




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