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Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files into Audio Format

2009-02-24 by sjhart110110

Well, the more I get into converting these multipart (pianosoft +) 
disks, I seem to be having more issues.  Mostly multiple notes 
playing on the piano post conversion.  Wonder if the program below 
should not be setting most of the channels to 100?


--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@...> 
wrote:
>
> I have a couple of files that I'm having problems with.  For 
example, 
> I ripped a Sue Downs diskette/ESEQ to MIDI.  Used the volume 
program 
> below (which normally works fine) and then created an audio file to 
> import into iTunes.  However, when I play it, the piano is playing 
> more than the piano part.  All kinds of notes playing (like from 
drum 
> parts).  Sounds crazy.  Any help?  This does not happen on all of 
the 
> songs, just a couple.  I'm willing to e-mail the MIDI file to 
someone 
> if you want to take a look.  Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks.  I will try it in the next few days.  I think this may 
> help, 
> > because if I start the converted audio past the starting point, 
it 
> > plays fine.  If I start it at the beginning, it doesn't play.  SJ
> > 
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Spencer_Lists <lists@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings J,
> > > 
> > > i posted the program to the following page of my web site. it 
is 
> > close
> > > to the top of the last group of files. it is set to convert any 
> > MIDI
> > > volume messages to 100 if found on channels 1-3(0-2). seems to 
> work
> > > but feedback would be helpful.
> > > 
> > > http://www.spencerserolls.com/Files4Download.html
> > > 
> > > Saturday, January 24, 2009, 2:27:03 PM, you wrote:
> > > > sounds like an excellent help, thanks George.
> > > 
> > > >> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> From: lists@
> > > >> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:42:45 -0800
> > > >> Subject: Re[2]: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi 
Files 
> > into Audio Format
> > > >> 
> > > >> Greetings George,
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> If anyone has a need for this, I'll write a little program 
to 
> > do it on
> > > >> a batch basis for those who do not have a sequencer program 
to 
> > edit
> > > >> the files.
> > > >> 
> > > >> Friday, January 23, 2009, 5:47:56 PM, you wrote:
> > > >> > Good morning, everyone.
> > > >> 
> > > >> > If the problem is limited to PianoSoft Plus files, I 
suspect 
> > that
> > > >> > you have files in which the piano tracks have a message 
that 
> > sets controller 7 (volume) = 0.
> > > >> 
> > > >> > The earliest Disklaviers paid no attention to the MIDI 
> message
> > > >> > controller 7 as far as the piano was concerned. And, those 
> > early
> > > >> > Disklaviers did not have a tone generator.
> > > >> 
> > > >> > When Yamaha started to develop song files with other MIDI 
> > tracks,
> > > >> > they found that if you played the files on an early model 
> > Disklavier
> > > >> > with a tone generator attached, all of the MIDI tracks 
would 
> > be sent
> > > >> > to the external tone generator. As a result, you would 
hear 
> > the
> > > >> > piano tracks played twice: once played by the tone 
generator 
> > and once played by the piano itself.
> > > >> 
> > > >> > So, Yamaha put in the controller 7 = 0 message in the 
piano 
> > tracks
> > > >> > to make sure that the piano tracks were muted on the 
> external 
> > tone generator.
> > > >> 
> > > >> > Of course, this fix was unnecessary on newer Disklaviers, 
> but 
> > they
> > > >> > wanted the same files to be compatible with all 
Disklaviers.
> > > >> 
> > > >> > At this point, in the history of the Disklavier, Yamaha 
> > needed to
> > > >> > come up with a way to make PianoSoft Plus files play 
> > correctly on
> > > >> > all Disklaviers. So, they added a behind-the-scenes 
feature 
> > to the
> > > >> > Mark II and later: these later instruments do respond to 
> > controller
> > > >> > 7 data for the piano but they uniquely interpret 
controller 
> 7 
> > = 0 as controller 7 = 100.
> > > >> 
> > > >> > The end result is that you need to edit these files and set
> > > >> > controller 7 = 100 for the piano tracks.
> > > >> 
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > PianoBench
> > > >> 
> > > >> > www.georgelitterst.com
> > > >> > www.timewarptech.com
> > > >> 
> > > >> > On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:32 PM, sjhart110110 wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> > Got the pianosoft solo titles to work. Can't figure out 
the 
> > multi 
> > > >> > channel eseq files. I'm getting closer to having a poor 
> man's 
> > Mark 
> > > >> > IV! 
> > > >> 
> > > >> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" 
> > <sjhart110@> 
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thanks for your help. With this utility I get the files 
> over 
> > to my 
> > > >> >> hard drive, but when I read them with MIDI2PIANOCD (or 
> using 
> > the 
> > > >> >> ESEQ2MID routine), all that plays (after converting to 
> audio 
> > and 
> > > >> >> moving to my ipod) is the pedals with no piano sound. 
Like 
> > part of 
> > > >> >> the MIDI channels are missing. I also copied some files 
> that 
> > are 
> > > >> >> stored in my memory on my control box to diskette. These 
> are 
> > > >> >> pianosoft+ (with instruments) and all I hear are the 
> > instruments 
> > > >> > and 
> > > >> >> no piano.... Any other thoughts?
> > > >> >> 
> > > >> >> 
> > > >> >> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, ISKI1@ wrote:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Use RootARipper instead of DKVCOPY.
> > > >> >> > http://www.carolrpt.com/musicsoftware.htm
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > RootARipper
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > The nice thing about this copy utility is that it 
copies 
> > files on 
> > > >> >> floppy disks to your hard drive on XP computers. It saves 
> > the 
> > > >> > trouble 
> > > >> >> of duplicating a copy-protected disk first, then moving 
the 
> > files 
> > > >> > to 
> > > >> >> a hard drive.
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > If they are ESEQ files they will have a .fil extension.
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > If not play them with Yampalyer and select convert to 
> midi.
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> >> > From: sjhart110110 <sjhart110@>
> > > >> >> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> >> > Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 5:06 pm
> > > >> >> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files 
> > into Audio 
> > > >> >> Format
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > I think I'm running into the issue of how to exactly 
copy 
> > these 
> > > >> >> > disks. For example, I have both 720 formatted diskettes 
> > and the 
> > > >> >> > pianosoft titles that I "downloaded" from their store 
> > (2HD). Even 
> > > >> >> > the one I copied is having problems. I used the DKVCOPY 
> > utlity to 
> > > >> >> > copy a downloaded 2HD diskette onto another 2HD 
diskette. 
> > > >> > However, 
> > > >> >> > most of the files are corrupt and/or won't play, etc. 
> > Probably 
> > > >> >> wasn't 
> > > >> >> > designed for this! What is the process to take 
Pianosoft 
> > > >> > diskettes 
> > > >> >> > and copy it correctly so it can be read by the 
> > MID2PianoCD? 
> > > >> >> > Obviously the program can't read them directly because 
an 
> > > >> > original 
> > > >> >> > diskette does not work (can't be viewed). Frustrating, 
> but 
> > I 
> > > >> >> > recognize that these technologies are old and based 
upon 
> > the 
> > > >> >> various 
> > > >> >> > disklaviers over the years. Thanks for any help. 
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "mfontana@" 
> <mfontana@> 
> > > >> >> > wrote:
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > > 
> > > >> >> > > sjhart wrote:
> > > >> >> > > 
> > > >> >> > > > Made some progress. If I use the DKVCOPY, I can 
make 
> a 
> > copy 
> > > >> > of 
> > > >> >> > the
> > > >> >> > > > disk which is then viewable. However, these .FIL 
> files 
> > > >> > (assume 
> > > >> >> > they
> > > >> >> > > > are ESEQ files?) don't work when I run the 
ESEQ2MID. 
> > I've 
> > > >> > copied
> > > >> >> > > > them from the diskette into a folder on my hard 
> drive. 
> > When I 
> > > >> >> try
> > > >> >> > > > and convert the files, it states that they are not 
> > ESEQ files.
> > > >> >> > > > However, if I put the new copy in my piano, it 
plays 
> > fine. So,
> > > >> >> > > > probably need a way to convert these files to midi 
> > (and then 
> > > >> > I 
> > > >> >> can
> > > >> >> > > > convert to audio).
> > > >> >> > > 
> > > >> >> > > MID2PianoCD supports converting .fil files (ESEQ 
> format) 
> > > >> > directly 
> > > >> >> > to 
> > > >> >> > > encoded audio. You shouldn't need to convert them to 
> > MIDI 
> > > >> > format 
> > > >> >> > first.
> > > >> >> > > 
> > > >> >> > > By the way, on the Advanced settings page, make sure 
> you 
> > have 
> > > >> > set 
> > > >> >> > the 
> > > >> >> > > source velocity profile to "Disklavier" so that the 
> note 
> > > >> >> > velocities 
> > > >> >> > > are left as-is.
> > > >> >> > > 
> > > >> >> > > Let me know if you have any trouble...
> > > >> >> > > 
> > > >> >> > > Mark Fontana
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >>
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> > = 
> > > >> 
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