Disklavier

Wonder if someone could help me?  I have converted all of my PianoSoft 
Audio files to store on my ipod.  Very simple, just read them into 
iTunes using a high rate audio format. Each song is around 30M, but 
given that you can buy a 120 GIG ipod for $200, I can store a lot of 
songs.  Makes it much easier than pulling out the CD since I don't have 
a Mark IV!  I am running the ipod into the audio input on my Mark 
IIIa.  Works perfectly.  With the high rate audio format, no notes are 
dropping.  Anyway, how can I get midi files to work that I have on 
PianoSoft solo type disks?  I have found the MIDI2PIANOCD program which 
can convert, but I need to read the titles onto my computer.  They are 
all copy protected and my XP computer can't read them.  I've looked at 
the UTIL, but can't seem to figure it out.  Is this possible?  If so, 
can someone give me the exact steps to do this?  Thanks.  SJ

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@...> 
wrote:
>
> Wonder if someone could help me?  I have converted all of my 
PianoSoft 
> Audio files to store on my ipod.  Very simple, just read them into 
> iTunes using a high rate audio format. Each song is around 30M, but 
> given that you can buy a 120 GIG ipod for $200, I can store a lot 
of 
> songs.  Makes it much easier than pulling out the CD since I don't 
have 
> a Mark IV!  I am running the ipod into the audio input on my Mark 
> IIIa.  Works perfectly.  With the high rate audio format, no notes 
are 
> dropping.  Anyway, how can I get midi files to work that I have on 
> PianoSoft solo type disks?  I have found the MIDI2PIANOCD program 
which 
> can convert, but I need to read the titles onto my computer.  They 
are 
> all copy protected and my XP computer can't read them.  I've looked 
at 
> the UTIL, but can't seem to figure it out.  Is this possible?  If 
so, 
> can someone give me the exact steps to do this?  Thanks.  SJ
>
Wanted to add, that I have successfully converted my own midi files 
(from my own performances) to audio.  Works perfectly.  Just need to 
get the Pianosoft Midi files.  Thanks.

Made some progress.  If I use the DKVCOPY, I can make a copy of the 
disk which is then viewable.  However, these .FIL files (assume they 
are ESEQ files?) don't work when I run the ESEQ2MID.  I've copied 
them from the diskette into a folder on my hard drive.  When I try 
and convert the files, it states that they are not ESEQ files.  
However, if I put the new copy in my piano, it plays fine.  So, 
probably need a way to convert these files to midi (and then I can 
convert to audio).  Thanks.  




--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@...> 
wrote:
>
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Wonder if someone could help me?  I have converted all of my 
> PianoSoft 
> > Audio files to store on my ipod.  Very simple, just read them 
into 
> > iTunes using a high rate audio format. Each song is around 30M, 
but 
> > given that you can buy a 120 GIG ipod for $200, I can store a lot 
> of 
> > songs.  Makes it much easier than pulling out the CD since I 
don't 
> have 
> > a Mark IV!  I am running the ipod into the audio input on my Mark 
> > IIIa.  Works perfectly.  With the high rate audio format, no 
notes 
> are 
> > dropping.  Anyway, how can I get midi files to work that I have 
on 
> > PianoSoft solo type disks?  I have found the MIDI2PIANOCD program 
> which 
> > can convert, but I need to read the titles onto my computer.  
They 
> are 
> > all copy protected and my XP computer can't read them.  I've 
looked 
> at 
> > the UTIL, but can't seem to figure it out.  Is this possible?  If 
> so, 
> > can someone give me the exact steps to do this?  Thanks.  SJ
> >
> Wanted to add, that I have successfully converted my own midi files 
> (from my own performances) to audio.  Works perfectly.  Just need 
to 
> get the Pianosoft Midi files.  Thanks.
>

sjhart wrote:

> Made some progress.  If I use the DKVCOPY, I can make a copy of the
> disk which is then viewable.  However, these .FIL files (assume they
> are ESEQ files?) don't work when I run the ESEQ2MID.  I've copied
> them from the diskette into a folder on my hard drive.  When I try
> and convert the files, it states that they are not ESEQ files.
> However, if I put the new copy in my piano, it plays fine.  So,
> probably need a way to convert these files to midi (and then I can
> convert to audio).

MID2PianoCD supports converting .fil files (ESEQ format) directly to  
encoded audio.  You shouldn't need to convert them to MIDI format first.

By the way, on the Advanced settings page, make sure you have set the  
source velocity profile to "Disklavier" so that the note velocities  
are left as-is.

Let me know if you have any trouble...

Mark Fontana

I think I'm running into the issue of how to exactly copy these 
disks.  For example, I have both 720 formatted diskettes and the 
pianosoft titles that I "downloaded" from their store (2HD).  Even 
the one I copied is having problems.  I used the DKVCOPY utlity to 
copy a downloaded 2HD diskette onto another 2HD diskette.  However, 
most of the files are corrupt and/or won't play, etc. Probably wasn't 
designed for this!   What is the process to take Pianosoft diskettes 
and copy it correctly so it can be read by the MID2PianoCD?  
Obviously the program can't read them directly because an original 
diskette does not work (can't be viewed).   Frustrating, but I 
recognize that these technologies are old and based upon the various 
disklaviers over the years.  Thanks for any help.  


--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "mfontana@..." <mfontana@...> 
wrote:
>
> 
> sjhart wrote:
> 
> > Made some progress.  If I use the DKVCOPY, I can make a copy of 
the
> > disk which is then viewable.  However, these .FIL files (assume 
they
> > are ESEQ files?) don't work when I run the ESEQ2MID.  I've copied
> > them from the diskette into a folder on my hard drive.  When I try
> > and convert the files, it states that they are not ESEQ files.
> > However, if I put the new copy in my piano, it plays fine.  So,
> > probably need a way to convert these files to midi (and then I can
> > convert to audio).
> 
> MID2PianoCD supports converting .fil files (ESEQ format) directly 
to  
> encoded audio.  You shouldn't need to convert them to MIDI format 
first.
> 
> By the way, on the Advanced settings page, make sure you have set 
the  
> source velocity profile to "Disklavier" so that the note 
velocities  

> are left as-is.
> 
> Let me know if you have any trouble...
> 
> Mark Fontana
>

Thanks for your help.  With this utility I get the files over to my 
hard drive, but when I read them with MIDI2PIANOCD (or using the 
ESEQ2MID routine), all that plays (after converting to audio and 
moving to my ipod) is the pedals with no piano sound.  Like part of 
the MIDI channels are missing.  I also copied some files that are 
stored in my memory on my control box to diskette.  These are 
pianosoft+ (with instruments) and all I hear are the instruments and 
no piano....  Any other thoughts?


--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, ISKI1@... wrote:
>
> Use RootARipper instead of DKVCOPY.
> http://www.carolrpt.com/musicsoftware.htm
> 
> 
> 
> RootARipper
> 
> The nice thing about this copy utility is that it copies files on 
floppy disks to your hard drive on XP computers. It saves the trouble 
of duplicating a copy-protected disk first, then moving the files to 
a hard drive.
> 
> If they are ESEQ files they will have a .fil extension.
> 
> If not play them with Yampalyer and select convert to midi.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sjhart110110 <sjhart110@...>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 5:06 pm
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files into Audio 
Format
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I think I'm running into the issue of how to exactly copy these 
> disks. For example, I have both 720 formatted diskettes and the 
> pianosoft titles that I "downloaded" from their store (2HD). Even 
> the one I copied is having problems. I used the DKVCOPY utlity to 
> copy a downloaded 2HD diskette onto another 2HD diskette. However, 
> most of the files are corrupt and/or won't play, etc. Probably 
wasn't 
> designed for this! What is the process to take Pianosoft diskettes 
> and copy it correctly so it can be read by the MID2PianoCD? 
> Obviously the program can't read them directly because an original 
> diskette does not work (can't be viewed). Frustrating, but I 
> recognize that these technologies are old and based upon the 
various 
> disklaviers over the years. Thanks for any help. 
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "mfontana@" <mfontana@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > sjhart wrote:
> > 
> > > Made some progress. If I use the DKVCOPY, I can make a copy of 
> the
> > > disk which is then viewable. However, these .FIL files (assume 
> they
> > > are ESEQ files?) don't work when I run the ESEQ2MID. I've copied
> > > them from the diskette into a folder on my hard drive. When I 
try
> > > and convert the files, it states that they are not ESEQ files.
> > > However, if I put the new copy in my piano, it plays fine. So,
> > > probably need a way to convert these files to midi (and then I 
can

> > > convert to audio).
> > 
> > MID2PianoCD supports converting .fil files (ESEQ format) directly 
> to 
> > encoded audio. You shouldn't need to convert them to MIDI format 
> first.
> > 
> > By the way, on the Advanced settings page, make sure you have set 
> the 
> > source velocity profile to "Disklavier" so that the note 
> velocities 
> > are left as-is.
> > 
> > Let me know if you have any trouble...
> > 
> > Mark Fontana
> >
>

Got the pianosoft solo titles to work.  Can't figure out the multi 
channel eseq files.  I'm getting closer to having a poor man's Mark 
IV! ;)


--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@...> 
wrote:
>
> Thanks for your help.  With this utility I get the files over to my 
> hard drive, but when I read them with MIDI2PIANOCD (or using the 
> ESEQ2MID routine), all that plays (after converting to audio and 
> moving to my ipod) is the pedals with no piano sound.  Like part of 
> the MIDI channels are missing.  I also copied some files that are 
> stored in my memory on my control box to diskette.  These are 
> pianosoft+ (with instruments) and all I hear are the instruments 
and 
> no piano....  Any other thoughts?
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, ISKI1@ wrote:
> >
> > Use RootARipper instead of DKVCOPY.
> > http://www.carolrpt.com/musicsoftware.htm
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > RootARipper
> > 
> > The nice thing about this copy utility is that it copies files on 
> floppy disks to your hard drive on XP computers. It saves the 
trouble 
> of duplicating a copy-protected disk first, then moving the files 
to 
> a hard drive.
> > 
> > If they are ESEQ files they will have a .fil extension.
> > 
> > If not play them with Yampalyer and select convert to midi.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sjhart110110 <sjhart110@>
> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 5:06 pm
> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files into Audio 
> Format
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I think I'm running into the issue of how to exactly copy these 
> > disks. For example, I have both 720 formatted diskettes and the 
> > pianosoft titles that I "downloaded" from their store (2HD). Even 
> > the one I copied is having problems. I used the DKVCOPY utlity to 
> > copy a downloaded 2HD diskette onto another 2HD diskette. 
However, 
> > most of the files are corrupt and/or won't play, etc. Probably 
> wasn't 
> > designed for this! What is the process to take Pianosoft 
diskettes 
> > and copy it correctly so it can be read by the MID2PianoCD? 
> > Obviously the program can't read them directly because an 
original 
> > diskette does not work (can't be viewed). Frustrating, but I 
> > recognize that these technologies are old and based upon the 
> various 
> > disklaviers over the years. Thanks for any help. 
> > 
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "mfontana@" <mfontana@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > sjhart wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Made some progress. If I use the DKVCOPY, I can make a copy 
of 
> > the
> > > > disk which is then viewable. However, these .FIL files 
(assume 
> > they
> > > > are ESEQ files?) don't work when I run the ESEQ2MID. I've 
copied
> > > > them from the diskette into a folder on my hard drive. When I 
> try
> > > > and convert the files, it states that they are not ESEQ files.
> > > > However, if I put the new copy in my piano, it plays fine. So,
> > > > probably need a way to convert these files to midi (and then 
I 
> can
> > > > convert to audio).
> > > 
> > > MID2PianoCD supports converting .fil files (ESEQ format) 
directly 
> > to 
> > > encoded audio. You shouldn't need to convert them to MIDI 
format 
> > first.
> > > 
> > > By the way, on the Advanced settings page, make sure you have 
set 

> > the 
> > > source velocity profile to "Disklavier" so that the note 
> > velocities 
> > > are left as-is.
> > > 
> > > Let me know if you have any trouble...
> > > 
> > > Mark Fontana
> > >
> >
>

Good morning, everyone.

If the problem is limited to PianoSoft Plus files, I suspect that you  
have files in which the piano tracks have a message that sets  
controller 7 (volume) = 0.

The earliest Disklaviers paid no attention to the MIDI message  
controller 7 as far as the piano was concerned. And, those early  
Disklaviers did not have a tone generator.

When Yamaha started to develop song files with other MIDI tracks, they  
found that if you played the files on an early model Disklavier with a  
tone generator attached, all of the MIDI tracks would be sent to the  
external tone generator. As a result, you would hear the piano tracks  
played twice: once played by the tone generator and once played by the  
piano itself.

So, Yamaha put in the controller 7 = 0 message in the piano tracks to  
make sure that the piano tracks were muted on the external tone  
generator.

Of course, this fix was unnecessary on newer Disklaviers, but they  
wanted the same files to be compatible with all Disklaviers.

At this point, in the history of the Disklavier, Yamaha needed to come  
up with a way to make PianoSoft Plus files play correctly on all  
Disklaviers. So, they added a behind-the-scenes feature to the Mark II  
and later: these later instruments do respond to controller 7 data for  
the piano but they uniquely interpret controller 7 = 0 as controller 7  
= 100.

The end result is that you need to edit these files and set controller  
7 = 100 for the piano tracks.

Regards,
PianoBench

www.georgelitterst.com
www.timewarptech.com

On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:32 PM, sjhart110110 wrote:

> Got the pianosoft solo titles to work. Can't figure out the multi
> channel eseq files. I'm getting closer to having a poor man's Mark
> IV! ;)
>
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your help. With this utility I get the files over to my
> > hard drive, but when I read them with MIDI2PIANOCD (or using the
> > ESEQ2MID routine), all that plays (after converting to audio and
> > moving to my ipod) is the pedals with no piano sound. Like part of
> > the MIDI channels are missing. I also copied some files that are
> > stored in my memory on my control box to diskette. These are
> > pianosoft+ (with instruments) and all I hear are the instruments
> and
> > no piano.... Any other thoughts?
> >
> >
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, ISKI1@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Use RootARipper instead of DKVCOPY.
> > > http://www.carolrpt.com/musicsoftware.htm
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > RootARipper
> > >
> > > The nice thing about this copy utility is that it copies files on
> > floppy disks to your hard drive on XP computers. It saves the
> trouble
> > of duplicating a copy-protected disk first, then moving the files
> to
> > a hard drive.
> > >
> > > If they are ESEQ files they will have a .fil extension.
> > >
> > > If not play them with Yampalyer and select convert to midi.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: sjhart110110 <sjhart110@>
> > > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 5:06 pm
> > > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files into Audio
> > Format
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think I'm running into the issue of how to exactly copy these
> > > disks. For example, I have both 720 formatted diskettes and the
> > > pianosoft titles that I "downloaded" from their store (2HD). Even
> > > the one I copied is having problems. I used the DKVCOPY utlity to
> > > copy a downloaded 2HD diskette onto another 2HD diskette.
> However,
> > > most of the files are corrupt and/or won't play, etc. Probably
> > wasn't
> > > designed for this! What is the process to take Pianosoft
> diskettes
> > > and copy it correctly so it can be read by the MID2PianoCD?
> > > Obviously the program can't read them directly because an
> original
> > > diskette does not work (can't be viewed). Frustrating, but I
> > > recognize that these technologies are old and based upon the
> > various
> > > disklaviers over the years. Thanks for any help.
> > >
> > > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "mfontana@" <mfontana@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > sjhart wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Made some progress. If I use the DKVCOPY, I can make a copy
> of
> > > the
> > > > > disk which is then viewable. However, these .FIL files
> (assume
> > > they
> > > > > are ESEQ files?) don't work when I run the ESEQ2MID. I've
> copied
> > > > > them from the diskette into a folder on my hard drive. When I
> > try
> > > > > and convert the files, it states that they are not ESEQ files.
> > > > > However, if I put the new copy in my piano, it plays fine. So,
> > > > > probably need a way to convert these files to midi (and then
> I
> > can
> > > > > convert to audio).
> > > >
> > > > MID2PianoCD supports converting .fil files (ESEQ format)
> directly
> > > to
> > > > encoded audio. You shouldn't need to convert them to MIDI
> format
> > > first.
> > > >
> > > > By the way, on the Advanced settings page, make sure you have
> set
> > > the
> > > > source velocity profile to "Disklavier" so that the note
> > > velocities
> > > > are left as-is.
> > > >
> > > > Let me know if you have any trouble...
> > > >
> > > > Mark Fontana
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>

Greetings George,


If anyone has a need for this, I'll write a little program to do it on
a batch basis for those who do not have a sequencer program to edit
the files.

Friday, January 23, 2009, 5:47:56 PM, you wrote:
> Good morning, everyone.

> If the problem is limited to PianoSoft Plus files, I suspect that
> you have files in which the piano tracks have a message that sets controller 7 (volume) = 0.

> The earliest Disklaviers paid no attention to the MIDI message
> controller 7 as far as the piano was concerned. And, those early
> Disklaviers did not have a tone generator.

> When Yamaha started to develop song files with other MIDI tracks,
> they found that if you played the files on an early model Disklavier
> with a tone generator attached, all of the MIDI tracks would be sent
> to the external tone generator. As a result, you would hear the
> piano tracks played twice: once played by the tone generator and once played by the piano itself.

> So, Yamaha put in the controller 7 = 0 message in the piano tracks
> to make sure that the piano tracks were muted on the external tone generator.

> Of course, this fix was unnecessary on newer Disklaviers, but they
> wanted the same files to be compatible with all Disklaviers.

> At this point, in the history of the Disklavier, Yamaha needed to
> come up with a way to make PianoSoft Plus files play correctly on
> all Disklaviers. So, they added a behind-the-scenes feature to the
> Mark II and later: these later instruments do respond to controller
> 7 data for the piano but they uniquely interpret controller 7 = 0 as controller 7 = 100.

> The end result is that you need to edit these files and set
> controller 7 = 100 for the piano tracks.

> Regards,
> PianoBench

> www.georgelitterst.com
> www.timewarptech.com

> On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:32 PM, sjhart110110 wrote:


> Got the pianosoft solo titles to work. Can't figure out the multi 
> channel eseq files. I'm getting closer to having a poor man's Mark 
> IV!  

> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@...> 
> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for your help. With this utility I get the files over to my 
>> hard drive, but when I read them with MIDI2PIANOCD (or using the 
>> ESEQ2MID routine), all that plays (after converting to audio and 
>> moving to my ipod) is the pedals with no piano sound. Like part of 
>> the MIDI channels are missing. I also copied some files that are 
>> stored in my memory on my control box to diskette. These are 
>> pianosoft+ (with instruments) and all I hear are the instruments 
> and 
>> no piano.... Any other thoughts?
>> 
>> 
>> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, ISKI1@ wrote:
>> >
>> > Use RootARipper instead of DKVCOPY.
>> > http://www.carolrpt.com/musicsoftware.htm
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > RootARipper
>> > 
>> > The nice thing about this copy utility is that it copies files on 
>> floppy disks to your hard drive on XP computers. It saves the 
> trouble 
>> of duplicating a copy-protected disk first, then moving the files 
> to 
>> a hard drive.
>> > 
>> > If they are ESEQ files they will have a .fil extension.
>> > 
>> > If not play them with Yampalyer and select convert to midi.
>> > 
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: sjhart110110 <sjhart110@>
>> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>> > Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 5:06 pm
>> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files into Audio 
>> Format
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > I think I'm running into the issue of how to exactly copy these 
>> > disks. For example, I have both 720 formatted diskettes and the 
>> > pianosoft titles that I "downloaded" from their store (2HD). Even 
>> > the one I copied is having problems. I used the DKVCOPY utlity to 
>> > copy a downloaded 2HD diskette onto another 2HD diskette. 
> However, 
>> > most of the files are corrupt and/or won't play, etc. Probably 
>> wasn't 
>> > designed for this! What is the process to take Pianosoft 
> diskettes 
>> > and copy it correctly so it can be read by the MID2PianoCD? 
>> > Obviously the program can't read them directly because an 
> original 
>> > diskette does not work (can't be viewed). Frustrating, but I 
>> > recognize that these technologies are old and based upon the 
>> various 
>> > disklaviers over the years. Thanks for any help. 
>> > 
>> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "mfontana@" <mfontana@> 
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > 
>> > > sjhart wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > > Made some progress. If I use the DKVCOPY, I can make a copy 
> of 
>> > the
>> > > > disk which is then viewable. However, these .FIL files 
> (assume 
>> > they
>> > > > are ESEQ files?) don't work when I run the ESEQ2MID. I've 
> copied
>> > > > them from the diskette into a folder on my hard drive. When I 
>> try
>> > > > and convert the files, it states that they are not ESEQ files.
>> > > > However, if I put the new copy in my piano, it plays fine. So,
>> > > > probably need a way to convert these files to midi (and then 
> I 
>> can
>> > > > convert to audio).
>> > > 
>> > > MID2PianoCD supports converting .fil files (ESEQ format) 
> directly 
>> > to 
>> > > encoded audio. You shouldn't need to convert them to MIDI 
> format 
>> > first.
>> > > 
>> > > By the way, on the Advanced settings page, make sure you have 
> set 
>> > the 
>> > > source velocity profile to "Disklavier" so that the note 
>> > velocities 
>> > > are left as-is.
>> > > 
>> > > Let me know if you have any trouble...
>> > > 
>> > > Mark Fontana
>> > >
>> >
>>


> =  

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Greetings J,

i posted the program to the following page of my web site. it is close
to the top of the last group of files. it is set to convert any MIDI
volume messages to 100 if found on channels 1-3(0-2). seems to work
but feedback would be helpful.

http://www.spencerserolls.com/Files4Download.html

Saturday, January 24, 2009, 2:27:03 PM, you wrote:
> sounds like an excellent help, thanks George.

>> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>> From: lists@...
>> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:42:45 -0800
>> Subject: Re[2]: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files into Audio Format
>> 
>> Greetings George,
>> 
>> 
>> If anyone has a need for this, I'll write a little program to do it on
>> a batch basis for those who do not have a sequencer program to edit
>> the files.
>> 
>> Friday, January 23, 2009, 5:47:56 PM, you wrote:
>> > Good morning, everyone.
>> 
>> > If the problem is limited to PianoSoft Plus files, I suspect that
>> > you have files in which the piano tracks have a message that sets controller 7 (volume) = 0.
>> 
>> > The earliest Disklaviers paid no attention to the MIDI message
>> > controller 7 as far as the piano was concerned. And, those early
>> > Disklaviers did not have a tone generator.
>> 
>> > When Yamaha started to develop song files with other MIDI tracks,
>> > they found that if you played the files on an early model Disklavier
>> > with a tone generator attached, all of the MIDI tracks would be sent
>> > to the external tone generator. As a result, you would hear the
>> > piano tracks played twice: once played by the tone generator and once played by the piano itself.
>> 
>> > So, Yamaha put in the controller 7 = 0 message in the piano tracks
>> > to make sure that the piano tracks were muted on the external tone generator.
>> 
>> > Of course, this fix was unnecessary on newer Disklaviers, but they
>> > wanted the same files to be compatible with all Disklaviers.
>> 
>> > At this point, in the history of the Disklavier, Yamaha needed to
>> > come up with a way to make PianoSoft Plus files play correctly on
>> > all Disklaviers. So, they added a behind-the-scenes feature to the
>> > Mark II and later: these later instruments do respond to controller
>> > 7 data for the piano but they uniquely interpret controller 7 = 0 as controller 7 = 100.
>> 
>> > The end result is that you need to edit these files and set
>> > controller 7 = 100 for the piano tracks.
>> 
>> > Regards,
>> > PianoBench
>> 
>> > www.georgelitterst.com
>> > www.timewarptech.com
>> 
>> > On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:32 PM, sjhart110110 wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> > Got the pianosoft solo titles to work. Can't figure out the multi 
>> > channel eseq files. I'm getting closer to having a poor man's Mark 
>> > IV! 
>> 
>> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@...> 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for your help. With this utility I get the files over to my 
>> >> hard drive, but when I read them with MIDI2PIANOCD (or using the 
>> >> ESEQ2MID routine), all that plays (after converting to audio and 
>> >> moving to my ipod) is the pedals with no piano sound. Like part of 
>> >> the MIDI channels are missing. I also copied some files that are 
>> >> stored in my memory on my control box to diskette. These are 
>> >> pianosoft+ (with instruments) and all I hear are the instruments 
>> > and 
>> >> no piano.... Any other thoughts?
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, ISKI1@ wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > Use RootARipper instead of DKVCOPY.
>> >> > http://www.carolrpt.com/musicsoftware.htm
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > RootARipper
>> >> > 
>> >> > The nice thing about this copy utility is that it copies files on 
>> >> floppy disks to your hard drive on XP computers. It saves the 
>> > trouble 
>> >> of duplicating a copy-protected disk first, then moving the files 
>> > to 
>> >> a hard drive.
>> >> > 
>> >> > If they are ESEQ files they will have a .fil extension.
>> >> > 
>> >> > If not play them with Yampalyer and select convert to midi.
>> >> > 
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > From: sjhart110110 <sjhart110@>
>> >> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>> >> > Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 5:06 pm
>> >> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files into Audio 
>> >> Format
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> > I think I'm running into the issue of how to exactly copy these 
>> >> > disks. For example, I have both 720 formatted diskettes and the 
>> >> > pianosoft titles that I "downloaded" from their store (2HD). Even 
>> >> > the one I copied is having problems. I used the DKVCOPY utlity to 
>> >> > copy a downloaded 2HD diskette onto another 2HD diskette. 
>> > However, 
>> >> > most of the files are corrupt and/or won't play, etc. Probably 
>> >> wasn't 
>> >> > designed for this! What is the process to take Pianosoft 
>> > diskettes 
>> >> > and copy it correctly so it can be read by the MID2PianoCD? 
>> >> > Obviously the program can't read them directly because an 
>> > original 
>> >> > diskette does not work (can't be viewed). Frustrating, but I 
>> >> > recognize that these technologies are old and based upon the 
>> >> various 
>> >> > disklaviers over the years. Thanks for any help. 
>> >> > 
>> >> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "mfontana@" <mfontana@> 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 
>> >> > > sjhart wrote:
>> >> > > 
>> >> > > > Made some progress. If I use the DKVCOPY, I can make a copy 
>> > of 
>> >> > the
>> >> > > > disk which is then viewable. However, these .FIL files 
>> > (assume 
>> >> > they
>> >> > > > are ESEQ files?) don't work when I run the ESEQ2MID. I've 
>> > copied
>> >> > > > them from the diskette into a folder on my hard drive. When I 
>> >> try
>> >> > > > and convert the files, it states that they are not ESEQ files.
>> >> > > > However, if I put the new copy in my piano, it plays fine. So,
>> >> > > > probably need a way to convert these files to midi (and then 
>> > I 
>> >> can
>> >> > > > convert to audio).
>> >> > > 
>> >> > > MID2PianoCD supports converting .fil files (ESEQ format) 
>> > directly 
>> >> > to 
>> >> > > encoded audio. You shouldn't need to convert them to MIDI 
>> > format 
>> >> > first.
>> >> > > 
>> >> > > By the way, on the Advanced settings page, make sure you have 
>> > set 
>> >> > the 
>> >> > > source velocity profile to "Disklavier" so that the note 
>> >> > velocities 
>> >> > > are left as-is.
>> >> > > 
>> >> > > Let me know if you have any trouble...
>> >> > > 
>> >> > > Mark Fontana
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> 
>> 
>> > = 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Best regards,
>> Spencer_Lists Chase mailto:lists@...
>> 67550 Bell Springs Rd.
>> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
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>> replace (dot) with a .
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>> 
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Thanks.  I will try it in the next few days.  I think this may help, 
because if I start the converted audio past the starting point, it 
plays fine.  If I start it at the beginning, it doesn't play.  SJ

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Spencer_Lists <lists@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings J,
> 
> i posted the program to the following page of my web site. it is 
close
> to the top of the last group of files. it is set to convert any 
MIDI
> volume messages to 100 if found on channels 1-3(0-2). seems to work
> but feedback would be helpful.
> 
> http://www.spencerserolls.com/Files4Download.html
> 
> Saturday, January 24, 2009, 2:27:03 PM, you wrote:
> > sounds like an excellent help, thanks George.
> 
> >> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> >> From: lists@...
> >> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:42:45 -0800
> >> Subject: Re[2]: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files 
into Audio Format
> >> 
> >> Greetings George,
> >> 
> >> 
> >> If anyone has a need for this, I'll write a little program to 
do it on
> >> a batch basis for those who do not have a sequencer program to 
edit
> >> the files.
> >> 
> >> Friday, January 23, 2009, 5:47:56 PM, you wrote:
> >> > Good morning, everyone.
> >> 
> >> > If the problem is limited to PianoSoft Plus files, I suspect 
that
> >> > you have files in which the piano tracks have a message that 
sets controller 7 (volume) = 0.
> >> 
> >> > The earliest Disklaviers paid no attention to the MIDI message
> >> > controller 7 as far as the piano was concerned. And, those 
early
> >> > Disklaviers did not have a tone generator.
> >> 
> >> > When Yamaha started to develop song files with other MIDI 
tracks,
> >> > they found that if you played the files on an early model 
Disklavier
> >> > with a tone generator attached, all of the MIDI tracks would 
be sent
> >> > to the external tone generator. As a result, you would hear 
the
> >> > piano tracks played twice: once played by the tone generator 
and once played by the piano itself.
> >> 
> >> > So, Yamaha put in the controller 7 = 0 message in the piano 
tracks
> >> > to make sure that the piano tracks were muted on the external 
tone generator.
> >> 
> >> > Of course, this fix was unnecessary on newer Disklaviers, but 
they
> >> > wanted the same files to be compatible with all Disklaviers.
> >> 
> >> > At this point, in the history of the Disklavier, Yamaha 
needed to
> >> > come up with a way to make PianoSoft Plus files play 
correctly on
> >> > all Disklaviers. So, they added a behind-the-scenes feature 
to the
> >> > Mark II and later: these later instruments do respond to 
controller
> >> > 7 data for the piano but they uniquely interpret controller 7 
= 0 as controller 7 = 100.
> >> 
> >> > The end result is that you need to edit these files and set
> >> > controller 7 = 100 for the piano tracks.
> >> 
> >> > Regards,
> >> > PianoBench
> >> 
> >> > www.georgelitterst.com
> >> > www.timewarptech.com
> >> 
> >> > On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:32 PM, sjhart110110 wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > Got the pianosoft solo titles to work. Can't figure out the 
multi 
> >> > channel eseq files. I'm getting closer to having a poor man's 
Mark 
> >> > IV! 
> >> 
> >> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" 
<sjhart110@> 
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for your help. With this utility I get the files over 
to my 
> >> >> hard drive, but when I read them with MIDI2PIANOCD (or using 
the 
> >> >> ESEQ2MID routine), all that plays (after converting to audio 
and 
> >> >> moving to my ipod) is the pedals with no piano sound. Like 
part of 
> >> >> the MIDI channels are missing. I also copied some files that 
are 
> >> >> stored in my memory on my control box to diskette. These are 
> >> >> pianosoft+ (with instruments) and all I hear are the 
instruments 
> >> > and 
> >> >> no piano.... Any other thoughts?
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, ISKI1@ wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Use RootARipper instead of DKVCOPY.
> >> >> > http://www.carolrpt.com/musicsoftware.htm
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > RootARipper
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > The nice thing about this copy utility is that it copies 
files on 
> >> >> floppy disks to your hard drive on XP computers. It saves 
the 
> >> > trouble 
> >> >> of duplicating a copy-protected disk first, then moving the 
files 
> >> > to 
> >> >> a hard drive.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > If they are ESEQ files they will have a .fil extension.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > If not play them with Yampalyer and select convert to midi.
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> >> > From: sjhart110110 <sjhart110@>
> >> >> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> >> >> > Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 5:06 pm
> >> >> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files 
into Audio 
> >> >> Format
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > I think I'm running into the issue of how to exactly copy 
these 
> >> >> > disks. For example, I have both 720 formatted diskettes 
and the 
> >> >> > pianosoft titles that I "downloaded" from their store 
(2HD). Even 
> >> >> > the one I copied is having problems. I used the DKVCOPY 
utlity to 
> >> >> > copy a downloaded 2HD diskette onto another 2HD diskette. 
> >> > However, 
> >> >> > most of the files are corrupt and/or won't play, etc. 
Probably 
> >> >> wasn't 
> >> >> > designed for this! What is the process to take Pianosoft 
> >> > diskettes 
> >> >> > and copy it correctly so it can be read by the 
MID2PianoCD? 
> >> >> > Obviously the program can't read them directly because an 
> >> > original 
> >> >> > diskette does not work (can't be viewed). Frustrating, but 
I 
> >> >> > recognize that these technologies are old and based upon 
the 
> >> >> various 
> >> >> > disklaviers over the years. Thanks for any help. 
> >> >> > 
> >> >> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "mfontana@" <mfontana@> 
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > sjhart wrote:
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > > Made some progress. If I use the DKVCOPY, I can make a 
copy 
> >> > of 
> >> >> > the
> >> >> > > > disk which is then viewable. However, these .FIL files 
> >> > (assume 
> >> >> > they
> >> >> > > > are ESEQ files?) don't work when I run the ESEQ2MID. 
I've 
> >> > copied
> >> >> > > > them from the diskette into a folder on my hard drive. 
When I 
> >> >> try
> >> >> > > > and convert the files, it states that they are not 
ESEQ files.
> >> >> > > > However, if I put the new copy in my piano, it plays 
fine. So,
> >> >> > > > probably need a way to convert these files to midi 
(and then 
> >> > I 
> >> >> can
> >> >> > > > convert to audio).
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > MID2PianoCD supports converting .fil files (ESEQ format) 
> >> > directly 
> >> >> > to 
> >> >> > > encoded audio. You shouldn't need to convert them to 
MIDI 
> >> > format 
> >> >> > first.
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > By the way, on the Advanced settings page, make sure you 
have 
> >> > set 
> >> >> > the 
> >> >> > > source velocity profile to "Disklavier" so that the note 
> >> >> > velocities 
> >> >> > > are left as-is.
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > Let me know if you have any trouble...
> >> >> > > 
> >> >> > > Mark Fontana
> >> >> > >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> 
> >> 
> >> > = 
> >> 
> >> -- 
> >> Best regards,
> >> Spencer_Lists Chase mailto:lists@...
> >> 67550 Bell Springs Rd.
> >> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
> >> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
> >> Lists@spencerserolls(dot)com
> >> http://www(dot)spencerserolls.com 
> >> replace (dot) with a .
> >> (707) 984-8356
> >> 
> >> 
> >> ------------------------------------
> >> 
> >> To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@...
> >> 
> >> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder 
and moderator, send it to:
> >> disklavier-owner@...
> >> 
> >> To reach our group's web site go to:
> >> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> >> 
> >> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> >> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too 
much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option 
instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to 
the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email 
to:
> >> disklavier-unsubscribe@... 
> >> 
> >> Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to:
> >> disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
> >> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join 
> >> Yahoo! Groups Links
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> 
> > Let ninemsn property help! Need a new place to rent, share or 
buy?

> >  
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Spencer_Lists Chase        mailto:lists@...
> 67550 Bell Springs Rd.
> Garberville,  CA 95542    Postal service only.
> Laytonville, CA 95454    UPS only.
> Lists@spencerserolls(dot)com
> http://www(dot)spencerserolls.com 
> replace (dot) with a .
> (707) 984-8356
>

It works perfect!  Thanks so much for your help.  I'm getting closer 
to the poor man's Mark IV :) !  Seriously, with the power of iTunes 
(ability to create playlists, etc.) this is fantastic.  I'm so glad 
Yamaha included the audio inputs to my Mark III.  Heck, the ipod 
wasn't even around when they came out with the piano.  Somebody 
should write a program which reads in all of our Pianosoft disks, 
CDs, etc. - converts them, strips out Volume messages, creates audio 
files, renames them (I had to read the directory files that are 
created), etc.  You then could read them into iTunes, hook your ipod 
to your Mark III and have a fantastic easy to use system!!!!  
Seriously, anyone with a Mark III should invest $200 in an ipod and 
have a really easy to use system.  You could probably hook a wireless 
audio system to your ipod (they sell them) and feed your piano 
directly without even having a connection.   SJ

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@...> 
wrote:
>
> Thanks.  I will try it in the next few days.  I think this may 
help, 
> because if I start the converted audio past the starting point, it 
> plays fine.  If I start it at the beginning, it doesn't play.  SJ
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Spencer_Lists <lists@> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings J,
> > 
> > i posted the program to the following page of my web site. it is 
> close
> > to the top of the last group of files. it is set to convert any 
> MIDI
> > volume messages to 100 if found on channels 1-3(0-2). seems to 
work
> > but feedback would be helpful.
> > 
> > http://www.spencerserolls.com/Files4Download.html
> > 
> > Saturday, January 24, 2009, 2:27:03 PM, you wrote:
> > > sounds like an excellent help, thanks George.
> > 
> > >> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > >> From: lists@
> > >> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:42:45 -0800
> > >> Subject: Re[2]: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files 
> into Audio Format
> > >> 
> > >> Greetings George,
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> If anyone has a need for this, I'll write a little program to 
> do it on
> > >> a batch basis for those who do not have a sequencer program to 
> edit
> > >> the files.
> > >> 
> > >> Friday, January 23, 2009, 5:47:56 PM, you wrote:
> > >> > Good morning, everyone.
> > >> 
> > >> > If the problem is limited to PianoSoft Plus files, I suspect 
> that
> > >> > you have files in which the piano tracks have a message that 
> sets controller 7 (volume) = 0.
> > >> 
> > >> > The earliest Disklaviers paid no attention to the MIDI 
message
> > >> > controller 7 as far as the piano was concerned. And, those 
> early
> > >> > Disklaviers did not have a tone generator.
> > >> 
> > >> > When Yamaha started to develop song files with other MIDI 
> tracks,
> > >> > they found that if you played the files on an early model 
> Disklavier
> > >> > with a tone generator attached, all of the MIDI tracks would 
> be sent
> > >> > to the external tone generator. As a result, you would hear 
> the
> > >> > piano tracks played twice: once played by the tone generator 
> and once played by the piano itself.
> > >> 
> > >> > So, Yamaha put in the controller 7 = 0 message in the piano 
> tracks
> > >> > to make sure that the piano tracks were muted on the 
external 
> tone generator.
> > >> 
> > >> > Of course, this fix was unnecessary on newer Disklaviers, 
but 
> they
> > >> > wanted the same files to be compatible with all Disklaviers.
> > >> 
> > >> > At this point, in the history of the Disklavier, Yamaha 
> needed to
> > >> > come up with a way to make PianoSoft Plus files play 
> correctly on
> > >> > all Disklaviers. So, they added a behind-the-scenes feature 
> to the
> > >> > Mark II and later: these later instruments do respond to 
> controller
> > >> > 7 data for the piano but they uniquely interpret controller 
7 
> = 0 as controller 7 = 100.
> > >> 
> > >> > The end result is that you need to edit these files and set
> > >> > controller 7 = 100 for the piano tracks.
> > >> 
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > PianoBench
> > >> 
> > >> > www.georgelitterst.com
> > >> > www.timewarptech.com
> > >> 
> > >> > On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:32 PM, sjhart110110 wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> > Got the pianosoft solo titles to work. Can't figure out the 
> multi 
> > >> > channel eseq files. I'm getting closer to having a poor 
man's 
> Mark 
> > >> > IV! 
> > >> 
> > >> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" 
> <sjhart110@> 
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks for your help. With this utility I get the files 
over 
> to my 
> > >> >> hard drive, but when I read them with MIDI2PIANOCD (or 
using 
> the 
> > >> >> ESEQ2MID routine), all that plays (after converting to 
audio 
> and 
> > >> >> moving to my ipod) is the pedals with no piano sound. Like 
> part of 
> > >> >> the MIDI channels are missing. I also copied some files 
that 
> are 
> > >> >> stored in my memory on my control box to diskette. These 
are 
> > >> >> pianosoft+ (with instruments) and all I hear are the 
> instruments 
> > >> > and 
> > >> >> no piano.... Any other thoughts?
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, ISKI1@ wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Use RootARipper instead of DKVCOPY.
> > >> >> > http://www.carolrpt.com/musicsoftware.htm
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > RootARipper
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > The nice thing about this copy utility is that it copies 
> files on 
> > >> >> floppy disks to your hard drive on XP computers. It saves 
> the 
> > >> > trouble 
> > >> >> of duplicating a copy-protected disk first, then moving the 
> files 
> > >> > to 
> > >> >> a hard drive.
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > If they are ESEQ files they will have a .fil extension.
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > If not play them with Yampalyer and select convert to 
midi.
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> > From: sjhart110110 <sjhart110@>
> > >> >> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > >> >> > Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 5:06 pm
> > >> >> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files 
> into Audio 
> > >> >> Format
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > I think I'm running into the issue of how to exactly copy 
> these 
> > >> >> > disks. For example, I have both 720 formatted diskettes 
> and the 
> > >> >> > pianosoft titles that I "downloaded" from their store 
> (2HD). Even 
> > >> >> > the one I copied is having problems. I used the DKVCOPY 
> utlity to 
> > >> >> > copy a downloaded 2HD diskette onto another 2HD diskette. 
> > >> > However, 
> > >> >> > most of the files are corrupt and/or won't play, etc. 
> Probably 
> > >> >> wasn't 
> > >> >> > designed for this! What is the process to take Pianosoft 
> > >> > diskettes 
> > >> >> > and copy it correctly so it can be read by the 
> MID2PianoCD? 
> > >> >> > Obviously the program can't read them directly because an 
> > >> > original 
> > >> >> > diskette does not work (can't be viewed). Frustrating, 
but 
> I 
> > >> >> > recognize that these technologies are old and based upon 
> the 
> > >> >> various 
> > >> >> > disklaviers over the years. Thanks for any help. 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "mfontana@" 
<mfontana@> 
> > >> >> > wrote:
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > sjhart wrote:
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > > Made some progress. If I use the DKVCOPY, I can make 
a 
> copy 
> > >> > of 
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > > > disk which is then viewable. However, these .FIL 
files 
> > >> > (assume 
> > >> >> > they
> > >> >> > > > are ESEQ files?) don't work when I run the ESEQ2MID. 
> I've 
> > >> > copied
> > >> >> > > > them from the diskette into a folder on my hard 
drive. 
> When I 
> > >> >> try
> > >> >> > > > and convert the files, it states that they are not 
> ESEQ files.
> > >> >> > > > However, if I put the new copy in my piano, it plays 
> fine. So,
> > >> >> > > > probably need a way to convert these files to midi 
> (and then 
> > >> > I 
> > >> >> can
> > >> >> > > > convert to audio).
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > MID2PianoCD supports converting .fil files (ESEQ 
format) 
> > >> > directly 
> > >> >> > to 
> > >> >> > > encoded audio. You shouldn't need to convert them to 
> MIDI 
> > >> > format 
> > >> >> > first.
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > By the way, on the Advanced settings page, make sure 
you 
> have 
> > >> > set 
> > >> >> > the 
> > >> >> > > source velocity profile to "Disklavier" so that the 
note 
> > >> >> > velocities 
> > >> >> > > are left as-is.
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > Let me know if you have any trouble...
> > >> >> > > 
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> > >> >> > >
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Greetings sjhart110110,

I agree with a lot of what you say but it seems that few others do. I
play my LX almost exclusively through Itunes. I do not have to worry
about the volume message but there are all sorts of other
manipulations that are necessary. I have written several utilities and
have others from other sources that I use to process files to get them
to work for me. Unfortunately everyone has different needs and it is
unlikely that a program will ever be written that addresses all the
possibilities and is not hopelessly confusing. The more options, the
more difficult to make it simple and intuitive.

Personally, I think it is imperative to have documentation associated
with the file if using Itunes or any player. I want to know what I am
playing. I don't just shuffle play and leave the room. For this
reason, I have written a number of programs to automatically add text
information to MIDI and MP3 files from a master database that I
maintain. When I get new music, I find the information online
(usually) or type it in myself if I can not find it already in
computer readable form. Then I run a program that adds MP3 tags which
display in itunes. I don't know which DKVs might work with MP3 files
and have not written anything to add tags to WAV files so my solutions
are only good for those who can use MP3.

I have obtained the text information for all the Yamaha E-Comp files
and have a set of MP3s with tags and offered them to others but there
was absolutely no response so I assume that others can not use these
or just don't care about this way of playing. If MP3 files do work, it
just don't understand why people would not want these. 

Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 9:51:27 PM, you wrote:
> It works perfect! Thanks so much for your help. I'm getting closer 
> to the poor man's Mark IV   ! Seriously, with the power of iTunes 
> (ability to create playlists, etc.) this is fantastic. I'm so glad 
> Yamaha included the audio inputs to my Mark III. Heck, the ipod 
> wasn't even around when they came out with the piano. Somebody 
> should write a program which reads in all of our Pianosoft disks, 
> CDs, etc. - converts them, strips out Volume messages, creates audio 
> files, renames them (I had to read the directory files that are 
> created), etc. You then could read them into iTunes, hook your ipod 
> to your Mark III and have a fantastic easy to use system!!!! 
> Seriously, anyone with a Mark III should invest $200 in an ipod and 
> have a really easy to use system. You could probably hook a wireless 
> audio system to your ipod (they sell them) and feed your piano 
> directly without even having a connection. SJ

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I have found that MP3 files will not work correctly with my DC3A.  
The audio portion plays fine, but the part that drives the piano 
almost always drops notes and gets messed up.  Even at the highest 
MP3 quality.  I have to use WAV formats (like standard CDs) in order 
for things to work correctly.  A while back this seemed crazy as 
each small Midi file would end up being 30-60 megs of audio.  
However, in the world when you can now purchase an ipod 120 GIG for 
$200, who cares!  These ipods have a much higher capacity drive than 
even a Mark IV with room to spare!!  

I would be interested in any of your MIDI files that you have added 
the tags, etc. to (ecomp, others).  I would just need to convert 
them to audio and then include them in iTunes.  Let me know if you 
have them posted in the files section or send them to me at 
sjhart110@...   Thanks.   SJ

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Spencer_Lists <lists@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings sjhart110110,
> 
> I agree with a lot of what you say but it seems that few others 
do. I
> play my LX almost exclusively through Itunes. I do not have to 
worry
> about the volume message but there are all sorts of other
> manipulations that are necessary. I have written several utilities 
and
> have others from other sources that I use to process files to get 
them
> to work for me. Unfortunately everyone has different needs and it 
is
> unlikely that a program will ever be written that addresses all the
> possibilities and is not hopelessly confusing. The more options, 
the
> more difficult to make it simple and intuitive.
> 
> Personally, I think it is imperative to have documentation 
associated
> with the file if using Itunes or any player. I want to know what I 
am
> playing. I don't just shuffle play and leave the room. For this
> reason, I have written a number of programs to automatically add 
text
> information to MIDI and MP3 files from a master database that I
> maintain. When I get new music, I find the information online
> (usually) or type it in myself if I can not find it already in
> computer readable form. Then I run a program that adds MP3 tags 
which
> display in itunes. I don't know which DKVs might work with MP3 
files
> and have not written anything to add tags to WAV files so my 
solutions
> are only good for those who can use MP3.
> 
> I have obtained the text information for all the Yamaha E-Comp 
files
> and have a set of MP3s with tags and offered them to others but 
there
> was absolutely no response so I assume that others can not use 
these
> or just don't care about this way of playing. If MP3 files do 
work, it
> just don't understand why people would not want these. 
> 
> Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 9:51:27 PM, you wrote:
> > It works perfect! Thanks so much for your help. I'm getting 
closer 
> > to the poor man's Mark IV   ! Seriously, with the power of 
iTunes 
> > (ability to create playlists, etc.) this is fantastic. I'm so 
glad 
> > Yamaha included the audio inputs to my Mark III. Heck, the ipod 
> > wasn't even around when they came out with the piano. Somebody 
> > should write a program which reads in all of our Pianosoft 
disks, 
> > CDs, etc. - converts them, strips out Volume messages, creates 
audio 
> > files, renames them (I had to read the directory files that are 
> > created), etc. You then could read them into iTunes, hook your 
ipod 
> > to your Mark III and have a fantastic easy to use system!!!! 
> > Seriously, anyone with a Mark III should invest $200 in an ipod 
and 
> > have a really easy to use system. You could probably hook a 
wireless 

> > audio system to your ipod (they sell them) and feed your piano 
> > directly without even having a connection. SJ
> 
> -- 
> Best regards,
> Spencer_Lists Chase        mailto:lists@...
> 67550 Bell Springs Rd.
> Garberville,  CA 95542    Postal service only.
> Laytonville, CA 95454    UPS only.
> Lists@spencerserolls(dot)com
> http://www(dot)spencerserolls.com 
> replace (dot) with a .
> (707) 984-8356
>

Greetings sjhart110110,


i am traveling and have intermittent internet access. when i do have
it in one location, it is superb, elsewhere not. even the mp3s set
might be possible to post from the good location. sending a CD might
be necessary. i also seem to have caught something and m y brain is
working at about 10%.

i have all the ecomp MIDI files with text keywords as midi text
events. these show in players like vanbascos and some others. i also
have mps which are tagged with both type 1 and 2 tags. i can
experiment and see if an mp3 to wav convert will retain these tags. it
might not be the case but as far as i have been able to tell (someone
correct me here if necessary) there is no hard and fast specification
for wav file tags and.

it would probably be best to talk over the possibilities on the phone
but right now i can barely stay awake.

Thursday,
February 12, 2009, 9:07:58 AM, you wrote:
> I have found that MP3 files will not work correctly with my DC3A. 
> The audio portion plays fine, but the part that drives the piano 
> almost always drops notes and gets messed up. Even at the highest 
> MP3 quality. I have to use WAV formats (like standard CDs) in order 
> for things to work correctly. A while back this seemed crazy as 
> each small Midi file would end up being 30-60 megs of audio. 
> However, in the world when you can now purchase an ipod 120 GIG for 
> $200, who cares! These ipods have a much higher capacity drive than 
> even a Mark IV with room to spare!! 

> I would be interested in any of your MIDI files that you have added 
> the tags, etc. to (ecomp, others). I would just need to convert 
> them to audio and then include them in iTunes. Let me know if you 
> have them posted in the files section or send them to me at 
> sjhart110@... Thanks. SJ

> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Spencer_Lists <lists@...> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings sjhart110110,
>> 
>> I agree with a lot of what you say but it seems that few others 
> do. I
>> play my LX almost exclusively through Itunes. I do not have to 
> worry
>> about the volume message but there are all sorts of other
>> manipulations that are necessary. I have written several utilities 
> and
>> have others from other sources that I use to process files to get 
> them
>> to work for me. Unfortunately everyone has different needs and it 
> is
>> unlikely that a program will ever be written that addresses all the
>> possibilities and is not hopelessly confusing. The more options, 
> the
>> more difficult to make it simple and intuitive.
>> 
>> Personally, I think it is imperative to have documentation 
> associated
>> with the file if using Itunes or any player. I want to know what I 
> am
>> playing. I don't just shuffle play and leave the room. For this
>> reason, I have written a number of programs to automatically add 
> text
>> information to MIDI and MP3 files from a master database that I
>> maintain. When I get new music, I find the information online
>> (usually) or type it in myself if I can not find it already in
>> computer readable form. Then I run a program that adds MP3 tags 
> which
>> display in itunes. I don't know which DKVs might work with MP3 
> files
>> and have not written anything to add tags to WAV files so my 
> solutions
>> are only good for those who can use MP3.
>> 
>> I have obtained the text information for all the Yamaha E-Comp 
> files
>> and have a set of MP3s with tags and offered them to others but 
> there
>> was absolutely no response so I assume that others can not use 
> these
>> or just don't care about this way of playing. If MP3 files do 
> work, it
>> just don't understand why people would not want these. 
>> 
>> Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 9:51:27 PM, you wrote:
>> > It works perfect! Thanks so much for your help. I'm getting 
> closer 
>> > to the poor man's Mark IV ! Seriously, with the power of 
> iTunes 
>> > (ability to create playlists, etc.) this is fantastic. I'm so 
> glad 
>> > Yamaha included the audio inputs to my Mark III. Heck, the ipod 
>> > wasn't even around when they came out with the piano. Somebody 
>> > should write a program which reads in all of our Pianosoft 
> disks, 
>> > CDs, etc. - converts them, strips out Volume messages, creates 
> audio 
>> > files, renames them (I had to read the directory files that are 
>> > created), etc. You then could read them into iTunes, hook your 
> ipod 
>> > to your Mark III and have a fantastic easy to use system!!!! 
>> > Seriously, anyone with a Mark III should invest $200 in an ipod 
> and 
>> > have a really easy to use system. You could probably hook a 
> wireless 
>> > audio system to your ipod (they sell them) and feed your piano 
>> > directly without even having a connection. SJ
>> 
>> -- 
>> Best regards,
>> Spencer_Lists Chase mailto:lists@...
>> 67550 Bell Springs Rd.
>> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
>> Lists@spencerserolls(dot)com
>> http://www(dot)spencerserolls.com 
>> replace (dot) with a .
>> (707) 984-8356
>>

> 

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Best regards,
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67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville,  CA 95542    Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454    UPS only.
Lists@spencerserolls(dot)com
http://www(dot)spencerserolls.com 
replace (dot) with a .
(707) 984-8356

Greetings sjhart110110,

i checked my external hard drive and found that the full set of e-comp
files as MP3 is something like 8 gigs. more than i want to put on my
server especially if there are a lot of downloads. the set of MIDI
files would be much smaller. you can convert the MIDI to WAV with
Mid2PianoCD.after converting to MP3 you can add the tags with a
program that i wrote that uses a text file. i tried converting an MP3
with tags to a WAV with the convert that i use for these sorts of
things and the WAVs do not retain the text tags. i don't use wav
myself and do not want to go to a lot of effort researching the use of
tags in wav files and writing code to do it. as far as i know there
are not really any standards that are accepted by all players so it
would probably be a waste of time.

unless you can play the DKV with an MP3 file or you can find a way to
convert an MP3 to WAV with MP3 tags, these files will not be of much
use. it is probably a hardware limitation that prevents the DKV from
playing MP3 files but it would be interesting to hear what Yamaha has
to say about it. 

Thursday, February 12, 2009, 9:07:58 AM, you wrote:
> I have found that MP3 files will not work correctly with my DC3A. 
> The audio portion plays fine, but the part that drives the piano 
> almost always drops notes and gets messed up. Even at the highest 
> MP3 quality. I have to use WAV formats (like standard CDs) in order 
> for things to work correctly. A while back this seemed crazy as 
> each small Midi file would end up being 30-60 megs of audio. 
> However, in the world when you can now purchase an ipod 120 GIG for 
> $200, who cares! These ipods have a much higher capacity drive than 
> even a Mark IV with room to spare!! 

> I would be interested in any of your MIDI files that you have added 
> the tags, etc. to (ecomp, others). I would just need to convert 
> them to audio and then include them in iTunes. Let me know if you 
> have them posted in the files section or send them to me at 
> sjhart110@... Thanks. SJ

> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Spencer_Lists <lists@...> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings sjhart110110,
>> 
>> I agree with a lot of what you say but it seems that few others 
> do. I
>> play my LX almost exclusively through Itunes. I do not have to 
> worry
>> about the volume message but there are all sorts of other
>> manipulations that are necessary. I have written several utilities 
> and
>> have others from other sources that I use to process files to get 
> them
>> to work for me. Unfortunately everyone has different needs and it 
> is
>> unlikely that a program will ever be written that addresses all the
>> possibilities and is not hopelessly confusing. The more options, 
> the
>> more difficult to make it simple and intuitive.
>> 
>> Personally, I think it is imperative to have documentation 
> associated
>> with the file if using Itunes or any player. I want to know what I 
> am
>> playing. I don't just shuffle play and leave the room. For this
>> reason, I have written a number of programs to automatically add 
> text
>> information to MIDI and MP3 files from a master database that I
>> maintain. When I get new music, I find the information online
>> (usually) or type it in myself if I can not find it already in
>> computer readable form. Then I run a program that adds MP3 tags 
> which
>> display in itunes. I don't know which DKVs might work with MP3 
> files
>> and have not written anything to add tags to WAV files so my 
> solutions
>> are only good for those who can use MP3.
>> 
>> I have obtained the text information for all the Yamaha E-Comp 
> files
>> and have a set of MP3s with tags and offered them to others but 
> there
>> was absolutely no response so I assume that others can not use 
> these
>> or just don't care about this way of playing. If MP3 files do 
> work, it
>> just don't understand why people would not want these. 
>> 
>> Tuesday, February 10, 2009, 9:51:27 PM, you wrote:
>> > It works perfect! Thanks so much for your help. I'm getting 
> closer 
>> > to the poor man's Mark IV ! Seriously, with the power of 
> iTunes 
>> > (ability to create playlists, etc.) this is fantastic. I'm so 
> glad 
>> > Yamaha included the audio inputs to my Mark III. Heck, the ipod 
>> > wasn't even around when they came out with the piano. Somebody 
>> > should write a program which reads in all of our Pianosoft 
> disks, 
>> > CDs, etc. - converts them, strips out Volume messages, creates 
> audio 
>> > files, renames them (I had to read the directory files that are 
>> > created), etc. You then could read them into iTunes, hook your 
> ipod 
>> > to your Mark III and have a fantastic easy to use system!!!! 
>> > Seriously, anyone with a Mark III should invest $200 in an ipod 
> and 
>> > have a really easy to use system. You could probably hook a 
> wireless 
>> > audio system to your ipod (they sell them) and feed your piano 
>> > directly without even having a connection. SJ
>> 
>> -- 
>> Best regards,
>> Spencer_Lists Chase mailto:lists@...
>> 67550 Bell Springs Rd.
>> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
>> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
>> Lists@spencerserolls(dot)com
>> http://www(dot)spencerserolls.com 
>> replace (dot) with a .
>> (707) 984-8356
>>

> 

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67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville,  CA 95542    Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454    UPS only.
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replace (dot) with a .
(707) 984-8356

I have a couple of files that I'm having problems with.  For example, 
I ripped a Sue Downs diskette/ESEQ to MIDI.  Used the volume program 
below (which normally works fine) and then created an audio file to 
import into iTunes.  However, when I play it, the piano is playing 
more than the piano part.  All kinds of notes playing (like from drum 
parts).  Sounds crazy.  Any help?  This does not happen on all of the 
songs, just a couple.  I'm willing to e-mail the MIDI file to someone 
if you want to take a look.  Thanks.



--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@...> 
wrote:
>
> Thanks.  I will try it in the next few days.  I think this may 
help, 
> because if I start the converted audio past the starting point, it 
> plays fine.  If I start it at the beginning, it doesn't play.  SJ
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Spencer_Lists <lists@> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings J,
> > 
> > i posted the program to the following page of my web site. it is 
> close
> > to the top of the last group of files. it is set to convert any 
> MIDI
> > volume messages to 100 if found on channels 1-3(0-2). seems to 
work
> > but feedback would be helpful.
> > 
> > http://www.spencerserolls.com/Files4Download.html
> > 
> > Saturday, January 24, 2009, 2:27:03 PM, you wrote:
> > > sounds like an excellent help, thanks George.
> > 
> > >> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > >> From: lists@
> > >> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:42:45 -0800
> > >> Subject: Re[2]: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files 
> into Audio Format
> > >> 
> > >> Greetings George,
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> If anyone has a need for this, I'll write a little program to 
> do it on
> > >> a batch basis for those who do not have a sequencer program to 
> edit
> > >> the files.
> > >> 
> > >> Friday, January 23, 2009, 5:47:56 PM, you wrote:
> > >> > Good morning, everyone.
> > >> 
> > >> > If the problem is limited to PianoSoft Plus files, I suspect 
> that
> > >> > you have files in which the piano tracks have a message that 
> sets controller 7 (volume) = 0.
> > >> 
> > >> > The earliest Disklaviers paid no attention to the MIDI 
message
> > >> > controller 7 as far as the piano was concerned. And, those 
> early
> > >> > Disklaviers did not have a tone generator.
> > >> 
> > >> > When Yamaha started to develop song files with other MIDI 
> tracks,
> > >> > they found that if you played the files on an early model 
> Disklavier
> > >> > with a tone generator attached, all of the MIDI tracks would 
> be sent
> > >> > to the external tone generator. As a result, you would hear 
> the
> > >> > piano tracks played twice: once played by the tone generator 
> and once played by the piano itself.
> > >> 
> > >> > So, Yamaha put in the controller 7 = 0 message in the piano 
> tracks
> > >> > to make sure that the piano tracks were muted on the 
external 
> tone generator.
> > >> 
> > >> > Of course, this fix was unnecessary on newer Disklaviers, 
but 
> they
> > >> > wanted the same files to be compatible with all Disklaviers.
> > >> 
> > >> > At this point, in the history of the Disklavier, Yamaha 
> needed to
> > >> > come up with a way to make PianoSoft Plus files play 
> correctly on
> > >> > all Disklaviers. So, they added a behind-the-scenes feature 
> to the
> > >> > Mark II and later: these later instruments do respond to 
> controller
> > >> > 7 data for the piano but they uniquely interpret controller 
7 
> = 0 as controller 7 = 100.
> > >> 
> > >> > The end result is that you need to edit these files and set
> > >> > controller 7 = 100 for the piano tracks.
> > >> 
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > PianoBench
> > >> 
> > >> > www.georgelitterst.com
> > >> > www.timewarptech.com
> > >> 
> > >> > On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:32 PM, sjhart110110 wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> > Got the pianosoft solo titles to work. Can't figure out the 
> multi 
> > >> > channel eseq files. I'm getting closer to having a poor 
man's 
> Mark 
> > >> > IV! 
> > >> 
> > >> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" 
> <sjhart110@> 
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks for your help. With this utility I get the files 
over 
> to my 
> > >> >> hard drive, but when I read them with MIDI2PIANOCD (or 
using 
> the 
> > >> >> ESEQ2MID routine), all that plays (after converting to 
audio 
> and 
> > >> >> moving to my ipod) is the pedals with no piano sound. Like 
> part of 
> > >> >> the MIDI channels are missing. I also copied some files 
that 
> are 
> > >> >> stored in my memory on my control box to diskette. These 
are 
> > >> >> pianosoft+ (with instruments) and all I hear are the 
> instruments 
> > >> > and 
> > >> >> no piano.... Any other thoughts?
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, ISKI1@ wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Use RootARipper instead of DKVCOPY.
> > >> >> > http://www.carolrpt.com/musicsoftware.htm
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > RootARipper
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > The nice thing about this copy utility is that it copies 
> files on 
> > >> >> floppy disks to your hard drive on XP computers. It saves 
> the 
> > >> > trouble 
> > >> >> of duplicating a copy-protected disk first, then moving the 
> files 
> > >> > to 
> > >> >> a hard drive.
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > If they are ESEQ files they will have a .fil extension.
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > If not play them with Yampalyer and select convert to 
midi.
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> > From: sjhart110110 <sjhart110@>
> > >> >> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > >> >> > Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 5:06 pm
> > >> >> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files 
> into Audio 
> > >> >> Format
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > I think I'm running into the issue of how to exactly copy 
> these 
> > >> >> > disks. For example, I have both 720 formatted diskettes 
> and the 
> > >> >> > pianosoft titles that I "downloaded" from their store 
> (2HD). Even 
> > >> >> > the one I copied is having problems. I used the DKVCOPY 
> utlity to 
> > >> >> > copy a downloaded 2HD diskette onto another 2HD diskette. 
> > >> > However, 
> > >> >> > most of the files are corrupt and/or won't play, etc. 
> Probably 
> > >> >> wasn't 
> > >> >> > designed for this! What is the process to take Pianosoft 
> > >> > diskettes 
> > >> >> > and copy it correctly so it can be read by the 
> MID2PianoCD? 
> > >> >> > Obviously the program can't read them directly because an 
> > >> > original 
> > >> >> > diskette does not work (can't be viewed). Frustrating, 
but 
> I 
> > >> >> > recognize that these technologies are old and based upon 
> the 
> > >> >> various 
> > >> >> > disklaviers over the years. Thanks for any help. 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "mfontana@" 
<mfontana@> 
> > >> >> > wrote:
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > sjhart wrote:
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > > Made some progress. If I use the DKVCOPY, I can make 
a 
> copy 
> > >> > of 
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > > > disk which is then viewable. However, these .FIL 
files 
> > >> > (assume 
> > >> >> > they
> > >> >> > > > are ESEQ files?) don't work when I run the ESEQ2MID. 
> I've 
> > >> > copied
> > >> >> > > > them from the diskette into a folder on my hard 
drive. 
> When I 
> > >> >> try
> > >> >> > > > and convert the files, it states that they are not 
> ESEQ files.
> > >> >> > > > However, if I put the new copy in my piano, it plays 
> fine. So,
> > >> >> > > > probably need a way to convert these files to midi 
> (and then 
> > >> > I 
> > >> >> can
> > >> >> > > > convert to audio).
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > MID2PianoCD supports converting .fil files (ESEQ 
format) 
> > >> > directly 
> > >> >> > to 
> > >> >> > > encoded audio. You shouldn't need to convert them to 
> MIDI 
> > >> > format 
> > >> >> > first.
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > By the way, on the Advanced settings page, make sure 
you 
> have 
> > >> > set 
> > >> >> > the 
> > >> >> > > source velocity profile to "Disklavier" so that the 
note 
> > >> >> > velocities 
> > >> >> > > are left as-is.
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > Let me know if you have any trouble...
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > Mark Fontana
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> > = 
> > >> 
> > >> -- 
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Well, the more I get into converting these multipart (pianosoft +) 
disks, I seem to be having more issues.  Mostly multiple notes 
playing on the piano post conversion.  Wonder if the program below 
should not be setting most of the channels to 100?


--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@...> 
wrote:
>
> I have a couple of files that I'm having problems with.  For 
example, 
> I ripped a Sue Downs diskette/ESEQ to MIDI.  Used the volume 
program 
> below (which normally works fine) and then created an audio file to 
> import into iTunes.  However, when I play it, the piano is playing 
> more than the piano part.  All kinds of notes playing (like from 
drum 
> parts).  Sounds crazy.  Any help?  This does not happen on all of 
the 
> songs, just a couple.  I'm willing to e-mail the MIDI file to 
someone 
> if you want to take a look.  Thanks.
> 
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks.  I will try it in the next few days.  I think this may 
> help, 
> > because if I start the converted audio past the starting point, 
it 
> > plays fine.  If I start it at the beginning, it doesn't play.  SJ
> > 
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Spencer_Lists <lists@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings J,
> > > 
> > > i posted the program to the following page of my web site. it 
is 
> > close
> > > to the top of the last group of files. it is set to convert any 
> > MIDI
> > > volume messages to 100 if found on channels 1-3(0-2). seems to 
> work
> > > but feedback would be helpful.
> > > 
> > > http://www.spencerserolls.com/Files4Download.html
> > > 
> > > Saturday, January 24, 2009, 2:27:03 PM, you wrote:
> > > > sounds like an excellent help, thanks George.
> > > 
> > > >> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> From: lists@
> > > >> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:42:45 -0800
> > > >> Subject: Re[2]: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi 
Files 
> > into Audio Format
> > > >> 
> > > >> Greetings George,
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> If anyone has a need for this, I'll write a little program 
to 
> > do it on
> > > >> a batch basis for those who do not have a sequencer program 
to 
> > edit
> > > >> the files.
> > > >> 
> > > >> Friday, January 23, 2009, 5:47:56 PM, you wrote:
> > > >> > Good morning, everyone.
> > > >> 
> > > >> > If the problem is limited to PianoSoft Plus files, I 
suspect 
> > that
> > > >> > you have files in which the piano tracks have a message 
that 
> > sets controller 7 (volume) = 0.
> > > >> 
> > > >> > The earliest Disklaviers paid no attention to the MIDI 
> message
> > > >> > controller 7 as far as the piano was concerned. And, those 
> > early
> > > >> > Disklaviers did not have a tone generator.
> > > >> 
> > > >> > When Yamaha started to develop song files with other MIDI 
> > tracks,
> > > >> > they found that if you played the files on an early model 
> > Disklavier
> > > >> > with a tone generator attached, all of the MIDI tracks 
would 
> > be sent
> > > >> > to the external tone generator. As a result, you would 
hear 
> > the
> > > >> > piano tracks played twice: once played by the tone 
generator 
> > and once played by the piano itself.
> > > >> 
> > > >> > So, Yamaha put in the controller 7 = 0 message in the 
piano 
> > tracks
> > > >> > to make sure that the piano tracks were muted on the 
> external 
> > tone generator.
> > > >> 
> > > >> > Of course, this fix was unnecessary on newer Disklaviers, 
> but 
> > they
> > > >> > wanted the same files to be compatible with all 
Disklaviers.
> > > >> 
> > > >> > At this point, in the history of the Disklavier, Yamaha 
> > needed to
> > > >> > come up with a way to make PianoSoft Plus files play 
> > correctly on
> > > >> > all Disklaviers. So, they added a behind-the-scenes 
feature 
> > to the
> > > >> > Mark II and later: these later instruments do respond to 
> > controller
> > > >> > 7 data for the piano but they uniquely interpret 
controller 
> 7 
> > = 0 as controller 7 = 100.
> > > >> 
> > > >> > The end result is that you need to edit these files and set
> > > >> > controller 7 = 100 for the piano tracks.
> > > >> 
> > > >> > Regards,
> > > >> > PianoBench
> > > >> 
> > > >> > www.georgelitterst.com
> > > >> > www.timewarptech.com
> > > >> 
> > > >> > On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:32 PM, sjhart110110 wrote:
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> > Got the pianosoft solo titles to work. Can't figure out 
the 
> > multi 
> > > >> > channel eseq files. I'm getting closer to having a poor 
> man's 
> > Mark 
> > > >> > IV! 
> > > >> 
> > > >> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" 
> > <sjhart110@> 
> > > >> > wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Thanks for your help. With this utility I get the files 
> over 
> > to my 
> > > >> >> hard drive, but when I read them with MIDI2PIANOCD (or 
> using 
> > the 
> > > >> >> ESEQ2MID routine), all that plays (after converting to 
> audio 
> > and 
> > > >> >> moving to my ipod) is the pedals with no piano sound. 
Like 
> > part of 
> > > >> >> the MIDI channels are missing. I also copied some files 
> that 
> > are 
> > > >> >> stored in my memory on my control box to diskette. These 
> are 
> > > >> >> pianosoft+ (with instruments) and all I hear are the 
> > instruments 
> > > >> > and 
> > > >> >> no piano.... Any other thoughts?
> > > >> >> 
> > > >> >> 
> > > >> >> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, ISKI1@ wrote:
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Use RootARipper instead of DKVCOPY.
> > > >> >> > http://www.carolrpt.com/musicsoftware.htm
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > RootARipper
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > The nice thing about this copy utility is that it 
copies 
> > files on 
> > > >> >> floppy disks to your hard drive on XP computers. It saves 
> > the 
> > > >> > trouble 
> > > >> >> of duplicating a copy-protected disk first, then moving 
the 
> > files 
> > > >> > to 
> > > >> >> a hard drive.
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > If they are ESEQ files they will have a .fil extension.
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > If not play them with Yampalyer and select convert to 
> midi.
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> > > >> >> > From: sjhart110110 <sjhart110@>
> > > >> >> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > > >> >> > Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 5:06 pm
> > > >> >> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files 
> > into Audio 
> > > >> >> Format
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > I think I'm running into the issue of how to exactly 
copy 
> > these 
> > > >> >> > disks. For example, I have both 720 formatted diskettes 
> > and the 
> > > >> >> > pianosoft titles that I "downloaded" from their store 
> > (2HD). Even 
> > > >> >> > the one I copied is having problems. I used the DKVCOPY 
> > utlity to 
> > > >> >> > copy a downloaded 2HD diskette onto another 2HD 
diskette. 
> > > >> > However, 
> > > >> >> > most of the files are corrupt and/or won't play, etc. 
> > Probably 
> > > >> >> wasn't 
> > > >> >> > designed for this! What is the process to take 
Pianosoft 
> > > >> > diskettes 
> > > >> >> > and copy it correctly so it can be read by the 
> > MID2PianoCD? 
> > > >> >> > Obviously the program can't read them directly because 
an 
> > > >> > original 
> > > >> >> > diskette does not work (can't be viewed). Frustrating, 
> but 
> > I 
> > > >> >> > recognize that these technologies are old and based 
upon 
> > the 
> > > >> >> various 
> > > >> >> > disklaviers over the years. Thanks for any help. 
> > > >> >> > 
> > > >> >> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "mfontana@" 
> <mfontana@> 
> > > >> >> > wrote:
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> > > 
> > > >> >> > > sjhart wrote:
> > > >> >> > > 
> > > >> >> > > > Made some progress. If I use the DKVCOPY, I can 
make 
> a 
> > copy 
> > > >> > of 
> > > >> >> > the
> > > >> >> > > > disk which is then viewable. However, these .FIL 
> files 
> > > >> > (assume 
> > > >> >> > they
> > > >> >> > > > are ESEQ files?) don't work when I run the 
ESEQ2MID. 
> > I've 
> > > >> > copied
> > > >> >> > > > them from the diskette into a folder on my hard 
> drive. 
> > When I 
> > > >> >> try
> > > >> >> > > > and convert the files, it states that they are not 
> > ESEQ files.
> > > >> >> > > > However, if I put the new copy in my piano, it 
plays 

> > fine. So,
> > > >> >> > > > probably need a way to convert these files to midi 
> > (and then 
> > > >> > I 
> > > >> >> can
> > > >> >> > > > convert to audio).
> > > >> >> > > 
> > > >> >> > > MID2PianoCD supports converting .fil files (ESEQ 
> format) 
> > > >> > directly 
> > > >> >> > to 
> > > >> >> > > encoded audio. You shouldn't need to convert them to 
> > MIDI 
> > > >> > format 
> > > >> >> > first.
> > > >> >> > > 
> > > >> >> > > By the way, on the Advanced settings page, make sure 
> you 
> > have 
> > > >> > set 
> > > >> >> > the 
> > > >> >> > > source velocity profile to "Disklavier" so that the 
> note 
> > > >> >> > velocities 
> > > >> >> > > are left as-is.
> > > >> >> > > 
> > > >> >> > > Let me know if you have any trouble...
> > > >> >> > > 
> > > >> >> > > Mark Fontana
> > > >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >>
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> > = 
> > > >> 
> > > >> -- 
> > > >> Best regards,
> > > >> Spencer_Lists Chase mailto:lists@
> > > >> 67550 Bell Springs Rd.
> > > >> Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
> > > >> Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
> > > >> Lists@spencerserolls(dot)com
> > > >> http://www(dot)spencerserolls.com 
> > > >> replace (dot) with a .
> > > >> (707) 984-8356
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> ------------------------------------
> > > >> 
> > > >> To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@
> > > >> 
> > > >> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder 
> > and moderator, send it to:
> > > >> disklavier-owner@
> > > >> 
> > > >> To reach our group's web site go to:
> > > >> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> > > >> 
> > > >> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > > >> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting 
> too 
> > much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery 
> option 
> > instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access 
> to 
> > the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank 
> email 
> > to:
> > > >> disklavier-unsubscribe@ 
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> > > >> Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email 
> to:
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> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > >> 
> > > 
> > > > Let ninemsn property help! Need a new place to rent, share or 
> > buy?
> > > >  
> > > 
> > > -- 
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> > > 67550 Bell Springs Rd.
> > > Garberville,  CA 95542    Postal service only.
> > > Laytonville, CA 95454    UPS only.
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> > >
> >
>

Greetings sjhart110110,

you are welcome to send me the MIDI files. i can't guarantee that i
can (or have the time to) fix it but will give an opinion. you can
also use the List_midi_events_to_log program on my web site to see
what is actually in the file.

Tuesday, February 24, 2009, 9:22:08 AM, you wrote:
> I have a couple of files that I'm having problems with. For example, 
> I ripped a Sue Downs diskette/ESEQ to MIDI. Used the volume program 
> below (which normally works fine) and then created an audio file to 
> import into iTunes. However, when I play it, the piano is playing 
> more than the piano part. All kinds of notes playing (like from drum 
> parts). Sounds crazy. Any help? This does not happen on all of the 
> songs, just a couple. I'm willing to e-mail the MIDI file to someone 
> if you want to take a look. Thanks.

-- 
Best regards,
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67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville,  CA 95542    Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454    UPS only.
Lists@spencerserolls(dot)com
http://www(dot)spencerserolls.com 
replace (dot) with a .
(707) 984-8356

Greetings sjhart110110,

getting multi voice MIDI files to play reasonably on a solo instrument
can be a real challenge and usually requires editing in a sequencer
program. i have written a lot of tools to process files automatically
and some of them can be used creatively to get files to play without
actually editing in a sequencer. listing out all of the events to a
text file is a good start at understanding what is in the file and why
it does what it does. my list_midi_events_to_log program is useful for
this. you can see the tracks used, the channels used, patch
specifications etc etc. you could then use the remap patches and or
the remap channels programs to change the relationship between
channels and their instrument definitions or to remove events on some
channels entirely.

-- 
Best regards,
Spencer_Lists Chase        mailto:lists@...
67550 Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville,  CA 95542    Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454    UPS only.
Lists@spencerserolls(dot)com
http://www(dot)spencerserolls.com 
replace (dot) with a .
(707) 984-8356