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Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files into Audio Format

2009-02-24 by sjhart110110

I have a couple of files that I'm having problems with.  For example, 
I ripped a Sue Downs diskette/ESEQ to MIDI.  Used the volume program 
below (which normally works fine) and then created an audio file to 
import into iTunes.  However, when I play it, the piano is playing 
more than the piano part.  All kinds of notes playing (like from drum 
parts).  Sounds crazy.  Any help?  This does not happen on all of the 
songs, just a couple.  I'm willing to e-mail the MIDI file to someone 
if you want to take a look.  Thanks.



--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@...> 
wrote:
>
> Thanks.  I will try it in the next few days.  I think this may 
help, 
> because if I start the converted audio past the starting point, it 
> plays fine.  If I start it at the beginning, it doesn't play.  SJ
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Spencer_Lists <lists@> wrote:
> >
> > Greetings J,
> > 
> > i posted the program to the following page of my web site. it is 
> close
> > to the top of the last group of files. it is set to convert any 
> MIDI
> > volume messages to 100 if found on channels 1-3(0-2). seems to 
work
> > but feedback would be helpful.
> > 
> > http://www.spencerserolls.com/Files4Download.html
> > 
> > Saturday, January 24, 2009, 2:27:03 PM, you wrote:
> > > sounds like an excellent help, thanks George.
> > 
> > >> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > >> From: lists@
> > >> Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 18:42:45 -0800
> > >> Subject: Re[2]: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files 
> into Audio Format
> > >> 
> > >> Greetings George,
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> If anyone has a need for this, I'll write a little program to 
> do it on
> > >> a batch basis for those who do not have a sequencer program to 
> edit
> > >> the files.
> > >> 
> > >> Friday, January 23, 2009, 5:47:56 PM, you wrote:
> > >> > Good morning, everyone.
> > >> 
> > >> > If the problem is limited to PianoSoft Plus files, I suspect 
> that
> > >> > you have files in which the piano tracks have a message that 
> sets controller 7 (volume) = 0.
> > >> 
> > >> > The earliest Disklaviers paid no attention to the MIDI 
message
> > >> > controller 7 as far as the piano was concerned. And, those 
> early
> > >> > Disklaviers did not have a tone generator.
> > >> 
> > >> > When Yamaha started to develop song files with other MIDI 
> tracks,
> > >> > they found that if you played the files on an early model 
> Disklavier
> > >> > with a tone generator attached, all of the MIDI tracks would 
> be sent
> > >> > to the external tone generator. As a result, you would hear 
> the
> > >> > piano tracks played twice: once played by the tone generator 
> and once played by the piano itself.
> > >> 
> > >> > So, Yamaha put in the controller 7 = 0 message in the piano 
> tracks
> > >> > to make sure that the piano tracks were muted on the 
external 
> tone generator.
> > >> 
> > >> > Of course, this fix was unnecessary on newer Disklaviers, 
but 
> they
> > >> > wanted the same files to be compatible with all Disklaviers.
> > >> 
> > >> > At this point, in the history of the Disklavier, Yamaha 
> needed to
> > >> > come up with a way to make PianoSoft Plus files play 
> correctly on
> > >> > all Disklaviers. So, they added a behind-the-scenes feature 
> to the
> > >> > Mark II and later: these later instruments do respond to 
> controller
> > >> > 7 data for the piano but they uniquely interpret controller 
7 
> = 0 as controller 7 = 100.
> > >> 
> > >> > The end result is that you need to edit these files and set
> > >> > controller 7 = 100 for the piano tracks.
> > >> 
> > >> > Regards,
> > >> > PianoBench
> > >> 
> > >> > www.georgelitterst.com
> > >> > www.timewarptech.com
> > >> 
> > >> > On Jan 23, 2009, at 8:32 PM, sjhart110110 wrote:
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> > Got the pianosoft solo titles to work. Can't figure out the 
> multi 
> > >> > channel eseq files. I'm getting closer to having a poor 
man's 
> Mark 
> > >> > IV! 
> > >> 
> > >> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "sjhart110110" 
> <sjhart110@> 
> > >> > wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks for your help. With this utility I get the files 
over 
> to my 
> > >> >> hard drive, but when I read them with MIDI2PIANOCD (or 
using 
> the 
> > >> >> ESEQ2MID routine), all that plays (after converting to 
audio 
> and 
> > >> >> moving to my ipod) is the pedals with no piano sound. Like 
> part of 
> > >> >> the MIDI channels are missing. I also copied some files 
that 
> are 
> > >> >> stored in my memory on my control box to diskette. These 
are 
> > >> >> pianosoft+ (with instruments) and all I hear are the 
> instruments 
> > >> > and 
> > >> >> no piano.... Any other thoughts?
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> 
> > >> >> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, ISKI1@ wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Use RootARipper instead of DKVCOPY.
> > >> >> > http://www.carolrpt.com/musicsoftware.htm
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > RootARipper
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > The nice thing about this copy utility is that it copies 
> files on 
> > >> >> floppy disks to your hard drive on XP computers. It saves 
> the 
> > >> > trouble 
> > >> >> of duplicating a copy-protected disk first, then moving the 
> files 
> > >> > to 
> > >> >> a hard drive.
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > If they are ESEQ files they will have a .fil extension.
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > If not play them with Yampalyer and select convert to 
midi.
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> > >> >> > From: sjhart110110 <sjhart110@>
> > >> >> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > >> >> > Sent: Fri, 23 Jan 2009 5:06 pm
> > >> >> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Getting PianoSoft Midi Files 
> into Audio 
> > >> >> Format
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > I think I'm running into the issue of how to exactly copy 
> these 
> > >> >> > disks. For example, I have both 720 formatted diskettes 
> and the 
> > >> >> > pianosoft titles that I "downloaded" from their store 
> (2HD). Even 
> > >> >> > the one I copied is having problems. I used the DKVCOPY 
> utlity to 
> > >> >> > copy a downloaded 2HD diskette onto another 2HD diskette. 
> > >> > However, 
> > >> >> > most of the files are corrupt and/or won't play, etc. 
> Probably 
> > >> >> wasn't 
> > >> >> > designed for this! What is the process to take Pianosoft 
> > >> > diskettes 
> > >> >> > and copy it correctly so it can be read by the 
> MID2PianoCD? 
> > >> >> > Obviously the program can't read them directly because an 
> > >> > original 
> > >> >> > diskette does not work (can't be viewed). Frustrating, 
but 
> I 
> > >> >> > recognize that these technologies are old and based upon 
> the 
> > >> >> various 
> > >> >> > disklaviers over the years. Thanks for any help. 
> > >> >> > 
> > >> >> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "mfontana@" 
<mfontana@> 
> > >> >> > wrote:
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > sjhart wrote:
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > > Made some progress. If I use the DKVCOPY, I can make 
a 
> copy 
> > >> > of 
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > > > disk which is then viewable. However, these .FIL 
files 
> > >> > (assume 
> > >> >> > they
> > >> >> > > > are ESEQ files?) don't work when I run the ESEQ2MID. 
> I've 
> > >> > copied
> > >> >> > > > them from the diskette into a folder on my hard 
drive. 
> When I 
> > >> >> try
> > >> >> > > > and convert the files, it states that they are not 
> ESEQ files.
> > >> >> > > > However, if I put the new copy in my piano, it plays 
> fine. So,
> > >> >> > > > probably need a way to convert these files to midi 
> (and then 
> > >> > I 
> > >> >> can
> > >> >> > > > convert to audio).
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > MID2PianoCD supports converting .fil files (ESEQ 
format) 
> > >> > directly 
> > >> >> > to 
> > >> >> > > encoded audio. You shouldn't need to convert them to 
> MIDI 
> > >> > format 
> > >> >> > first.
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > By the way, on the Advanced settings page, make sure 
you 
> have 
> > >> > set 
> > >> >> > the 
> > >> >> > > source velocity profile to "Disklavier" so that the 
note 
> > >> >> > velocities 
> > >> >> > > are left as-is.
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > Let me know if you have any trouble...
> > >> >> > > 
> > >> >> > > Mark Fontana
> > >> >> > >
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> 
> > >> 
> > >> > = 
> > >> 
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