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E3 Sustain Pedal Recording will not playback on earlier models

E3 Sustain Pedal Recording will not playback on earlier models

2014-05-16 by stridingwith88notes@...

Dear Experts, I have an E3 Upright on which I have made several recordings (of hand playing) for friends.

One friend has a Mark 3 upright, the other a Mark 2 Grand.

Both have had difficulty in playing the recordings in that the sustain does not move fully on their pianos making the playing sound 'clipped'. (I did fully depress the sustain pedal when making the recordings and the playback is fine on my E3).

I have tried adjusting the pedal position on my E3 by tightening the trap work wing nut and then re-adjusting damper lift, by turning the vertical rod which is damper side of the disklavier control unit in the LH side of the piano. This doesn't seem to make any difference.

I have made some test recordings on my E3 and found that it can exactly record half pedalling/damping etc.

I am not sure if earlier versions are as sophisticated as the E3 with regard to the sustain.

My questions are:

1 Is there a problem in playing E3 recordings on earlier models of disklavier?

2 Is there a way of making sure that my sustain pedal is calibrated correctly - the menu on the control box doesn't seem to have a facility for this.

Thanks in advance for any help

Richard

Re: [disklavier] E3 Sustain Pedal Recording will not playback on earlier models

2014-05-16 by George Frederick Litterst

Good morning, everyone.

Richard, it sounds as though there is either a recording problem or a playback problem. The best way to determine what is going on is to look at the MIDI data that has been recorded. The sustain pedal data will be listed as values between 0 (off) and 127 (fully on) for controller 64.

If you would like to send me a couple of MIDI files privately, I’ll be happy to look at the data and tell you what I see.

If the data shows that there are lots of controller 64 values of 127, then we’ll know that there is a playback problem. If there is a low ceiling for those values—say, 63—then we’ll know that there is a recording problem.

If there is a recording problem, the steps to fixing it are:

(1) make mechanical adjustments to the sustain pedal so that it conforms to Yamaha’s specifications

(2) run the Disklavier’s hidden calibration program so that it understands the range of motion of the pedal so that it can record the sustain pedal values correctly.

Regards,
PianoBench


On May 16, 2014, at 1:59 AM, stridingwith88notes@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


Dear Experts, I have an E3 Upright on which I have made several recordings (of hand playing) for friends.


One friend has a Mark 3 upright, the other a Mark 2 Grand.


Both have had difficulty in playing the recordings in that the sustain does not move fully on their pianos making the playing sound 'clipped'. (I did fully depress the sustain pedal when making the recordings and the playback is fine on my E3).


I have tried adjusting the pedal position on my E3 by tightening the trap work wing nut and then re-adjusting damper lift, by turning the vertical rod which is damper side of the disklavier control unit in the LH side of the piano. This doesn't seem to make any difference.


I have made some test recordings on my E3 and found that it can exactly record half pedalli ng/damping etc.

I am not sure if earlier versions are as sophisticated as the E3 with regard to the sustain.


My questions are:

1 Is there a problem in playing E3 recordings on earlier models of disklavier?

2 Is there a way of making sure that my sustain pedal is calibrated correctly - the menu on the control box doesn't seem to have a facility for this.


Thanks in advance for any help


Richard




Re: [disklavier] E3 Sustain Pedal Recording will not playback on earlier models

2014-05-16 by Bill Brandom

Good morning Richard,

Mechanically adjusting the pedals on Disklavier uprights, without calibrating the pedals, can cause what you are describing.

Calibration may or may not correct this condition.

If calibration fails, then the pedal system will need to be properly adjusted.

I suggest hiring a Disklavier technician to make these physical adjustments.

Calibration is what unifies Disklavier pianos so that a recording made on one piano will play back correctly on other Disklavier pianos.

Bill

On May 16, 2014, at 12:59 AM, "stridingwith88notes@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Dear Experts, I have an E3 Upright on which I have made several recordings (of hand playing) for friends.

 

One friend has a Mark 3 upright, the other a Mark 2 Grand.

 

Both have had difficulty in playing the recordings in that the sustain does not move fully on their pianos making the playing sound 'clipped'. (I did fully depress the sustain pedal when making the recordings and the playback is fine on my E3).

 

I have tried adjusting the pedal position on my E3 by tightening the trap work wing nut and then re-adjusting damper lift, by turning the vertical rod which is damper side of the disklavier control unit in the LH side of the piano. This doesn't seem to make any difference.

 

I have made some test recordings on my E3 and found that it can exactly record half pedalli ng/damping etc.

I am not sure if earlier versions are as sophisticated as the E3 with regard to the sustain.

 

My questions are:

1 Is there a problem in playing E3 recordings on earlier models of disklavier?

2 Is there a way of making sure that my sustain pedal is calibrated correctly - the menu on the control box    doesn't seem to have a facility for this.

 

Thanks in advance for any help

 

Richard

Re: [disklavier] E3 Sustain Pedal Recording will not playback on earlier models

2014-05-16 by Bill Brandom

Now that I re-read what I wrote, it may appear I am contradicting myself.

Mechanically adjusting upright Disklavier pianos is quite a bit different than adjusting pedals on standard Yamaha uprights. Special attention to the adjusting procedure is critical.

It is likely that you have taken the adjustments to far out of spec for the Disklavier system to properly calibrate.

If calibration fails, then adjustments will need to be made.

Bill

On May 16, 2014, at 9:39 AM, "Bill Brandom billbrando@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Good morning Richard,

Mechanically adjusting the pedals on Disklavier uprights, without calibrating the pedals, can cause what you are describing.

Calibration may or may not correct this condition.

If calibration fails, then the pedal system will need to be properly adjusted.

I suggest hiring a Disklavier technician to make these physical adjustments.

Calibration is what unifies Disklavier pianos so that a recording made on one piano will play back correctly on other Disklavier pianos.

Bill

On May 16, 2014, at 12:59 AM, "stridingwith88notes@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 
Dear Experts, I have an E3 Upright on which I have made several recordings (of hand playing) for friends.

 

One friend has a Mark 3 upright, the other a Mark 2 Grand.

 

Both have had difficulty in playing the recordings in that the sustain does not move fully on their pianos making the playing sound 'clipped'. (I did fully depress the sustain pedal when making the recordings and the playback is fine on my E3).

 

I have tried adjusting the pedal position on my E3 by tightening the trap work wing nut and then re-adjusting damper lift, by turning the vertical rod which is damper side of the disklavier control unit in the LH side of the piano. This doesn't seem to make any difference.

 

I have made some test recordings on my E3 and found that it can exactly record half pedalli ng/damping etc.

I am not sure if earlier versions are as sophisticated as the E3 with regard to the sustain.

 

My questions are:

1 Is there a problem in playing E3 recordings on earlier models of disklavier?

2 Is there a way of making sure that my sustain pedal is calibrated correctly - the menu on the control box    doesn't seem to have a facility for this.

 

Thanks in advance for any help

 

Richard

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