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Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-11-30 by ROBERT LEBLANC

My house's relative humidity during the winter months is far from ideal for a piano. This is a result of having to keep the furnace humidifier turned down to about 20% to avoid condensation build-up on the windows. 

To address the chronic low humidity levels, I'm considering having a Dampp Chaser installed on my Disklavier upright MX1Z. I would really appreciate hearing what others here may think about this. 

I assume there's room inside the piano for the Dampp Chaser components. As for the Disklavier internal electronic components, I can't imagine exposing them to 'moderate' humidity levels should pose any significant problems. 



Robert

Re: [disklavier] Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-11-30 by Bill Brandom

Placing a humidifier above the power supply is not a good idea.

Dampp Chaser offers an upright installation system designed for Disklavier pianos. If I remember right, The dehumidifier rods go inside the lower part of the piano. The humidifier goes on the back side of the piano, covered with a sheet of plastic. Ask your technician to ask the Dampp Chaser folks about it.

Bill

 iPhone

On Nov 29, 2014, at 5:22 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


My house's relative humidity during the winter months is far from ideal for a piano.  This is a result of having to keep the furnace humidifier turned down to about 20% to avoid condensation build-up on the windows. 

 

To address the chronic low humidity levels, I'm considering having a Dampp Chaser installed on my Disklavier upright MX1Z.  I would really appreciate hearing what others here may think about this.

 

I assume there's room inside the piano for the Dampp Chaser components.  As for the Disklavier internal electronic components, I can't imagine exposing them to 'moderate' humidity levels should pose any significant problems.

 

Robert

Re: [disklavier] Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-11-30 by r_leblanc@...

Bill

Thanks for the helpful response . . . much appreciated. I'll have the piano technician inquire with the Dampp Chaser folks as you suggest.

. . . / Robert



---In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, <bill.brandom03@...> wrote :

Placing a humidifier above the power supply is not a good idea.

Dampp Chaser offers an upright installation system designed for Disklavier pianos. If I remember right, The dehumidifier rods go inside the lower part of the piano. The humidifier goes on the back side of the piano, covered with a sheet of plastic. Ask your technician to ask the Dampp Chaser folks about it.

Bill

iPhone

On Nov 29, 2014, at 5:22 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


My house's relative humidity during the winter months is far from ideal for a piano. This is a result of having to keep the furnace humidifier turned down to about 20% to avoid condensation build-up on the windows.

To address the chronic low humidity levels, I'm considering having a Dampp Chaser installed on my Disklavier upright MX1Z. I would really appreciate hearing what others here may think about this.

I assume there's room inside the piano for the Dampp Chaser components. As for the Disklavier internal electronic components, I can't imagine exposing them to 'moderate' humidity levels should pose any significant problems.

Robert

Re: [disklavier] Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-11-30 by Carol Beigel

Since this is an upright piano you are in luck.  The complete Dampp Chaser system can be installed on the back of the piano and not inside.  The humidifier tanks are nowhere near the electronics.  A cover can also be installed over the entire back of the piano.  My personal recommendation to protect your own health as well as any woodwork in your house is to crank up the whole-house system.  20% RH is way too low.  Try for at least 50% RH.

Carol Beigel


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> On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:22 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> My house's relative humidity during the winter months is far from ideal for a piano.  This is a result of having to keep the furnace humidifier turned down to about 20% to avoid condensation build-up on the windows. 
>  
> To address the chronic low humidity levels, I'm considering having a Dampp Chaser installed on my Disklavier upright MX1Z.  I would really appreciate hearing what others here may think about this.
>  
> I assume there's room inside the piano for the Dampp Chaser components.  As for the Disklavier internal electronic components, I can't imagine exposing them to 'moderate' humidity levels should pose any significant problems.
>  
> Robert
> 
> 
>

Re: [disklavier] Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-11-30 by Skanter123

I have two Damppchasers, one on a normal U1, the other on on a U1 DKV (MPX100II).

The Damppchaser on the U1 is inside the piano, but the one for the DKV goes on the OUTSIDE of the soundboard, in the back. No way would anyone put a tank of water in a complex electronic device like a DKV. There are two different types of Damppchasers - look on their website.

The internal DC has been very effective. I went from four tunings a year to one every 18 months! I'm not sure if external DC is as effective as the external one. I've only had the DKV for a year. It went out of tune in a few months, but that could have been because the piano had not been tuned for years before first tuning. Strangely, I was about to have it tuned, but it seems to be more in tune lately and doesn't bother me.

Sam 
www.keyboardcollective.com
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> On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:22 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> My house's relative humidity during the winter months is far from ideal for a piano.  This is a result of having to keep the furnace humidifier turned down to about 20% to avoid condensation build-up on the windows. 
> 
>  
> 
> To address the chronic low humidity levels, I'm considering having a Dampp Chaser installed on my Disklavier upright MX1Z.  I would really appreciate hearing what others here may think about this.
> 
>  
> 
> I assume there's room inside the piano for the Dampp Chaser components.  As for the Disklavier internal electronic components, I can't imagine exposing them to 'moderate' humidity levels should pose any significant problems.
> 
>  
> 
> Robert
> 
>

Re: [disklavier] Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-11-30 by Skanter123

"I'm not sure if external DC is as effective as the external one. "

Typo - I meant to say, 

I'm not sure if external DC is as effective as the internal one. 


Sam 
www.keyboardcollective.com
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> On Nov 29, 2014, at 11:01 PM, Skanter123 <skanter123@...> wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure if external DC is as effective as the external one.

Re:Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-11-30 by ROBERT LEBLANC

Carol, 

Thank you for the info about installing the Dampp Chaser on the back of the DKV upright and covering up the back of the piano. That sounds like a great approach and is consistent with others have suggested. 

While I would be delighted to be able to maintain 50% RH in the house throughout the winter months, unfortunately I have to contend with ambient outdoor temps between 5 and -30 F throughout the winter season. At 50% RH, my windows (top-of-the-line energy-efficient triple pane) would totally frost over due to condensation. The reality is that I have to regulate the indoor humidity somewhere between 20% and 25% RH. This is a common practice in the area where I live. 

Apart from my DKV piano, I have individual (simple) humidification systems for all of my other stringed instruments and they have all held up extremely well over the past decades. 

. . . / Robert 
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From: "Carol Beigel carol@ carolrpt .com [ disklavier ]" < disklavier @ yahoogroups .com> 
To: disklavier @ yahoogroups .com 
Sent: Saturday, 29 November, 2014 8:43:25 PM 
Subject: Re: [ disklavier ] Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright 






Since this is an upright piano you are in luck. The complete Dampp Chaser system can be installed on the back of the piano and not inside. The humidifier tanks are nowhere near the electronics. A cover can also be installed over the entire back of the piano. My personal recommendation to protect your own health as well as any woodwork in your house is to crank up the whole-house system. 20% RH is way too low. Try for at least 50% RH. 


Carol Beigel 


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On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:22 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [ disklavier ] < disklavier @ yahoogroups .com > wrote: 








My house's relative humidity during the winter months is far from ideal for a piano. This is a result of having to keep the furnace humidifier turned down to about 20% to avoid condensation build-up on the windows. 

To address the chronic low humidity levels, I'm considering having a Dampp Chaser installed on my Disklavier upright MX1Z. I would really appreciate hearing what others here may think about this. 

I assume there's room inside the piano for the Dampp Chaser components. As for the Disklavier internal electronic components, I can't imagine exposing them to 'moderate' humidity levels should pose any significant problems. 



Robert

Re: [disklavier] Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-11-30 by Bill Brandom

I was involved with the testing of the external "back of the piano" system at Dampp Chaser and this system is just as effective as the internal system.

Bill

 iPhone

On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:21 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

"I'm not sure if external DC is as effective as the external one. "

Typo - I meant to say, 

I'm not sure if external DC is as effective as the internal one. 


Sam 
www.keyboardcollective.com
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> On Nov 29, 2014, at 11:01 PM, Skanter123 <skanter123@...> wrote:
> 
> I'm not sure if external DC is as effective as the external one.

Re: [disklavier] Re:Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-11-30 by Bill Brandom

Robert, 

I do understand. You simply cannot put that much moisture into your home when temperatures get as low as you describe.

You are doing a great job being able to keep your RH at 20% ~ 25% during the cold winter months. 

Bill

 iPhone

On Nov 29, 2014, at 9:49 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Carol,

 

Thank you for the info about installing the Dampp Chaser on the back of the DKV upright and covering up the back of the piano.  That sounds like a great approach and is consistent with others have suggested.

 

While I would be delighted to be able to maintain 50% RH in the house throughout the winter months, unfortunately I have to contend with ambient outdoor temps between 5 and -30 F throughout the winter season.  At 50% RH, my windows (top-of-the-line energy-efficient triple pane) would totally frost over due to condensation.  The reality is that I have to regulate the indoor humidity somewhere between 20% and 25% RH.  This is a common practice in the area where I live.

 

Apart from my DKV piano, I have individual (simple) humidification systems for all of my other stringed instruments and they have all held up extremely well over the past decades.

 

. . . / Robert
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From: "Carol Beigel carol@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 29 November, 2014 8:43:25 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

 
Since this is an upright piano you are in luck.  The complete Dampp Chaser system can be installed on the back of the piano and not inside.  The humidifier tanks are nowhere near the electronics.  A cover can also be installed over the entire back of the piano.  My personal recommendation to protect your own health as well as any woodwork in your house is to crank up the whole-house system.  20% RH is way too low.  Try for at least 50% RH.

Carol Beigel


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:22 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


My house's relative humidity during the winter months is far from ideal for a piano.  This is a result of having to keep the furnace humidifier turned down to about 20% to avoid condensation build-up on the windows. 

 

To address the chronic low humidity levels, I'm considering having a Dampp Chaser installed on my Disklavier upright MX1Z.  I would really appreciate hearing what others here may think about this.

 

I assume there's room inside the piano for the Dampp Chaser components.  As for the Disklavier internal electronic components, I can't imagine exposing them to 'moderate' humidity levels should pose any significant problems.

 

Robert

Re: [disklavier] Re:Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-11-30 by Spencer Chase

i am not familiar with the requirements of new pianos but have owned old pianos for many years and have subjected them to extremes of humidity due to where i live. summers in the mountains in Northern California are very dry and the winters wet. to make matters worse, i leave for most of the winter and leave minimal heat on. when i return in the spring, the piano is horribly out of tune and the action sluggish but after a week or so it is pretty much the way it was when i left in the beginning of the winter.

it is my opinion that gradual changes of humidity even if resulting in "extremes" do not damage a well made piano or at least the old ones that i own. if seasonal changes are gradual and maintained throughout a season i do not think they should cause damage. if they do there is something wrong with the way they make pianos today.

if you are trying to maintain concert tuning and regulation it is a different matter but then you would be tuning and regulating on a daily basis anyway.

a system that attempts to maintain controlled humidity will do more damage if it screws up.

On 11/29/2014 9:49 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] wrote:

Carol,

Thank you for the info about installing the Dampp Chaser on the back of the DKV upright and covering up the back of the piano. That sounds like a great approach and is consistent with others have suggested.

While I would be delighted to be able to maintain 50% RH in the house throughout the winter months, unfortunately I have to contend with ambient outdoor temps between 5 and -30 F throughout the winter season. At 50% RH, my windows (top-of-the-line energy-efficient triple pane) would totally frost over due to condensation. The reality is that I have to regulate the indoor humidity somewhere between 20% and 25% RH. This is a common practice in the area where I live.

Apart from my DKV piano, I have individual (simple) humidification systems for all of my other stringed instruments and they have all held up extremely well over the past decades.

. . . / Robert


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From: "Carol Beigel carol@carolrpt.com [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 29 November, 2014 8:43:25 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

Since this is an upright piano you are in luck. The complete Dampp Chaser system can be installed on the back of the piano and not inside. The humidifier tanks are nowhere near the electronics. A cover can also be installed over the entire back of the piano. My personal recommendation to protect your own health as well as any woodwork in your house is to crank up the whole-house system. 20% RH is way too low. Try for at least 50% RH.

Carol Beigel


Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:22 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


My house's relative humidity during the winter months is far from ideal for a piano. This is a result of having to keep the furnace humidifier turned down to about 20% to avoid condensation build-up on the windows.

To address the chronic low humidity levels, I'm considering having a Dampp Chaser installed on my Disklavier upright MX1Z. I would really appreciate hearing what others here may think about this.

I assume there's room inside the piano for the Dampp Chaser components. As for the Disklavier internal electronic components, I can't imagine exposing them to 'moderate' humidity levels should pose any significant problems.

Robert



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Re: [disklavier] Re:Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-11-30 by Skanter123

Robert, there are two distinct upright versions of the Damppchaser; one is meant to be installed on the inside, the other is meant to be it installed on the back. They are completely different. For example, the internal version has one dehumidifier heating bar, the external version has four. The tanks, tubing and wiring are completely different. I have both.

The are other major differences. Make sure you buy and have installed the correct version for the back.

Sam 
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304
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> On Nov 30, 2014, at 12:49 AM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> Carol,
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you for the info about installing the Dampp Chaser on the back of the DKV upright and covering up the back of the piano.  That sounds like a great approach and is consistent with others have suggested.
> 
>  
> 
> While I would be delighted to be able to maintain 50% RH in the house throughout the winter months, unfortunately I have to contend with ambient outdoor temps between 5 and -30 F throughout the winter season.  At 50% RH, my windows (top-of-the-line energy-efficient triple pane) would totally frost over due to condensation.  The reality is that I have to regulate the indoor humidity somewhere between 20% and 25% RH.  This is a common practice in the area where I live.
> 
>  
> 
> Apart from my DKV piano, I have individual (simple) humidification systems for all of my other stringed instruments and they have all held up extremely well over the past decades.
> 
>  
> 
> . . . / Robert
> 
> 
> From: "Carol Beigel carol@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, 29 November, 2014 8:43:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright
> 
>  
> Since this is an upright piano you are in luck.  The complete Dampp Chaser system can be installed on the back of the piano and not inside.  The humidifier tanks are nowhere near the electronics.  A cover can also be installed over the entire back of the piano.  My personal recommendation to protect your own health as well as any woodwork in your house is to crank up the whole-house system.  20% RH is way too low.  Try for at least 50% RH.
> 
> Carol Beigel
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:22 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> My house's relative humidity during the winter months is far from ideal for a piano.  This is a result of having to keep the furnace humidifier turned down to about 20% to avoid condensation build-up on the windows. 
> 
>  
> 
> To address the chronic low humidity levels, I'm considering having a Dampp Chaser installed on my Disklavier upright MX1Z.  I would really appreciate hearing what others here may think about this.
> 
>  
> 
> I assume there's room inside the piano for the Dampp Chaser components.  As for the Disklavier internal electronic components, I can't imagine exposing them to 'moderate' humidity levels should pose any significant problems.
> 
>  
> 
> Robert
> 
> 
>

Re: [disklavier] Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-11-30 by Skanter123

That's great to hear, Bill. My tuner/tech has implied that the back version was not as effective. I haven't had the back system long enough to test accurately.

Sam 
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304
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> On Nov 30, 2014, at 12:50 AM, Bill Brandom billbrando@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> I was involved with the testing of the external "back of the piano" system at Dampp Chaser and this system is just as effective as the internal system.
> 
> Bill
> 
>  iPhone
> 
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:21 PM, Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> "I'm not sure if external DC is as effective as the external one. "
> 
> Typo - I meant to say, 
> 
> I'm not sure if external DC is as effective as the internal one. 
> 
> 
> Sam 
> www.keyboardcollective.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 11:01 PM, Skanter123 <skanter123@...> wrote:
>> 
>> I'm not sure if external DC is as effective as the external one.
> 
>

Re: [disklavier] Re:Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-11-30 by ROBERT LEBLANC

Sam, 


Thanks for the information about the two distinct versions of the Dampp Chaser for upright pianos. 


I'm very encouraged by all the extremely helpful information that's been provided by Bill, Carol and yourself. With my renewed understanding, I'll be following up on the external Dampp Chaser version that's suited for the upright Disklavier. 


I'll be sure to let everyone know how things work. 


Robert 
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----- Original Message -----

From: "Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, 29 November, 2014 11:14:27 PM 
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re:Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright 






Robert, there are two distinct upright versions of the Damppchaser; one is meant to be installed on the inside, the other is meant to be it installed on the back. They are completely different. For example, the internal version has one dehumidifier heating bar, the external version has four. The tanks, tubing and wiring are completely different. I have both. 


The are other major differences. Make sure you buy and have installed the correct version for the back. 

Sam 

www.keyboardcollective.com 
(212) 684-3304 









On Nov 30, 2014, at 12:49 AM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] < disklavier@yahoogroups.com > wrote: 








Carol, 

Thank you for the info about installing the Dampp Chaser on the back of the DKV upright and covering up the back of the piano. That sounds like a great approach and is consistent with others have suggested. 

While I would be delighted to be able to maintain 50% RH in the house throughout the winter months, unfortunately I have to contend with ambient outdoor temps between 5 and -30 F throughout the winter season. At 50% RH, my windows (top-of-the-line energy-efficient triple pane) would totally frost over due to condensation. The reality is that I have to regulate the indoor humidity somewhere between 20% and 25% RH. This is a common practice in the area where I live. 

Apart from my DKV piano, I have individual (simple) humidification systems for all of my other stringed instruments and they have all held up extremely well over the past decades. 

. . . / Robert 
----- Original Message -----

From: "Carol Beigel carol@ carolrpt .com [ disklavier ]" < disklavier @ yahoogroups .com> 
To: disklavier @ yahoogroups .com 
Sent: Saturday, 29 November, 2014 8:43:25 PM 
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright 






Since this is an upright piano you are in luck. The complete Dampp Chaser system can be installed on the back of the piano and not inside. The humidifier tanks are nowhere near the electronics. A cover can also be installed over the entire back of the piano. My personal recommendation to protect your own health as well as any woodwork in your house is to crank up the whole-house system. 20% RH is way too low. Try for at least 50% RH. 


Carol Beigel 


Sent from my iPhone 

On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:22 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@shaw.ca [ diskla vier ] < disklavier @ yahoogroups .com > wrote: 


<blockquote>





My house's relative humidity during the winter months is far from ideal for a piano. This is a result of having to keep the furnace humidifier turned down to about 20% to avoid condensation build-up on the windows. 

To address the chronic low humidity levels, I'm considering having a Dampp Chaser installed on my Disklavier upright MX1Z. I would really appreciate hearing what others here may think about this. 

I assume there's room inside the piano for the Dampp Chaser components. As for the Disklavier internal electronic components, I can't imagine exposing them to 'moderate' humidity levels should pose any significant problems. 



Robert 











</blockquote>

Re: [disklavier] Re:Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-11-30 by Skanter123

Robert, I learned from Bill that the back version is just as effective as the internal one, so the thread helped me as well. Good luck!

Sam 
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304
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> On Nov 30, 2014, at 11:01 AM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Sam,
> 
> Thanks for the information about the two distinct versions of the Dampp Chaser for upright pianos.  
> 
> I'm very encouraged by all the extremely helpful information that's been provided by Bill, Carol and yourself. With my renewed understanding, I'll be following up on the external Dampp Chaser version that's suited for the upright Disklavier. 
> 
> I'll be sure to let everyone know how things work.
> 
> Robert
> From: "Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, 29 November, 2014 11:14:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re:Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright
> 
>  
> Robert, there are two distinct upright versions of the Damppchaser; one is meant to be installed on the inside, the other is meant to be it installed on the back. They are completely different. For example, the internal version has one dehumidifier heating bar, the external version has four. The tanks, tubing and wiring are completely different. I have both.
> 
> The are other major differences. Make sure you buy and have installed the correct version for the back.
> 
> Sam 
> www.keyboardcollective.com
> (212) 684-3304
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 30, 2014, at 12:49 AM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> Carol,
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you for the info about installing the Dampp Chaser on the back of the DKV upright and covering up the back of the piano.  That sounds like a great approach and is consistent with others have suggested.
> 
>  
> 
> While I would be delighted to be able to maintain 50% RH in the house throughout the winter months, unfortunately I have to contend with ambient outdoor temps between 5 and -30 F throughout the winter season.  At 50% RH, my windows (top-of-the-line energy-efficient triple pane) would totally frost over due to condensation.  The reality is that I have to regulate the indoor humidity somewhere between 20% and 25% RH.  This is a common practice in the area where I live.
> 
>  
> 
> Apart from my DKV piano, I have individual (simple) humidification systems for all of my other stringed instruments and they have all held up extremely well over the past decades.
> 
>  
> 
> . . . / Robert
> 
> 
> From: "Carol Beigel carol@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, 29 November, 2014 8:43:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright
> 
>  
> Since this is an upright piano you are in luck.  The complete Dampp Chaser system can be installed on the back of the piano and not inside.  The humidifier tanks are nowhere near the electronics.  A cover can also be installed over the entire back of the piano.  My personal recommendation to protect your own health as well as any woodwork in your house is to crank up the whole-house system.  20% RH is way too low.  Try for at least 50% RH.
> 
> Carol Beigel
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:22 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [diskla vier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> My house's relative humidity during the winter months is far from ideal for a piano.  This is a result of having to keep the furnace humidifier turned down to about 20% to avoid condensation build-up on the windows. 
> 
>  
> 
> To address the chronic low humidity levels, I'm considering having a Dampp Chaser installed on my Disklavier upright MX1Z.  I would really appreciate hearing what others here may think about this.
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>  
> 
> I assume there's room inside the piano for the Dampp Chaser components.  As for the Disklavier internal electronic components, I can't imagine exposing them to 'moderate' humidity levels should pose any significant problems.
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>  
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> Robert
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>

Re: [disklavier] Re:Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-12-02 by r_leblanc@...

I inquired with the folks at Dampp-Chaser and the humidity control system needed for an upright Disklavier is the ‘Back Side Vertical System’, model BSV8PS, part number 72674.

I now have one additional question.

I believe someone here mentioned that after the Dampp-Chaser is installed, the final step is to close off the back of the piano, presumably to contain the Dampp-Chaser system. Is this a recommended practice?

On the one hand, I can rationalize that closing off the back of the piano makes sense so as to avoid having the Dampp-Chase attempt to humidify the surrounding area / room. Raising the room RH will promote condensation build-up on the nearby windows during the colder winter months. One of the primary reasons for wanting to have a Dampp-Chaser system installed is to compensate for the very low RH in the house during the winter months due to being forced to turn down the furnace humidifier to avoid excessive condensation / frost build-up on the windows, etc.

However, one the other hand, I’m curious whether closing off the back of the piano will promote mold build-up on the piano backside?

I would appreciate any thoughts or comments others here may have about this issue.

-Robert

Re: [disklavier] Re:Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-12-02 by Skanter123

The system comes with a sheet of black plastic the covers the back of the piano to keep the humidity in. I don't think the Damppchaser humidifier is powerful enough to have any effect on the room or surrounding area with or without the plastic.

I have never worried about mold, but have no answer about that. 

Sam 
www.keyboardcollective.com
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> On Dec 2, 2014, at 12:38 PM, r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> I inquired with the folks at Dampp-Chaser and the humidity control system needed for an upright Disklavier is the ‘Back Side Vertical System’, model BSV8PS, part number 72674.
> 
>  
> 
> I now have one additional question.
> 
> I believe someone here mentioned that after the Dampp-Chaser is installed, the final step is to close off the back of the piano, presumably to contain the Dampp-Chaser system.  Is this a recommended practice?
> 
> On the one hand, I can rationalize that closing off the back of the piano makes sense so as to avoid having the Dampp-Chase attempt to humidify the surrounding area / room.  Raising the room RH will promote condensation build-up on the nearby windows during the colder winter months.  One of the primary reasons for wanting to have a Dampp-Chaser system installed is to compensate for the very low RH in the house during the winter months due to being forced to turn down the furnace humidifier to avoid excessive condensation / frost build-up on the windows, etc.
> 
> However, one the other hand, I’m curious whether closing off the back of the piano will promote mold build-up on the piano backside? 
> 
> I would appreciate any thoughts or comments others here may have about this issue.
> 
> -Robert
> 
>

Re: [disklavier] Re:Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-12-02 by Skanter123

Here are Damppchaser installation instructions, this will give you a good idea of what the system and installation entails.

https://www.pianoteksupply.com/assets/pdf/instructions/Dampp-Chaser%20BSV9PS%20Backside%20Vertical%20Instructions.pdf


Sam 
www.keyboardcollective.com
(212) 684-3304
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> On Dec 2, 2014, at 12:38 PM, r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> I inquired with the folks at Dampp-Chaser and the humidity control system needed for an upright Disklavier is the ‘Back Side Vertical System’, model BSV8PS, part number 72674.
> 
>  
> 
> I now have one additional question.
> 
> I believe someone here mentioned that after the Dampp-Chaser is installed, the final step is to close off the back of the piano, presumably to contain the Dampp-Chaser system.  Is this a recommended practice?
> 
> On the one hand, I can rationalize that closing off the back of the piano makes sense so as to avoid having the Dampp-Chase attempt to humidify the surrounding area / room.  Raising the room RH will promote condensation build-up on the nearby windows during the colder winter months.  One of the primary reasons for wanting to have a Dampp-Chaser system installed is to compensate for the very low RH in the house during the winter months due to being forced to turn down the furnace humidifier to avoid excessive condensation / frost build-up on the windows, etc.
> 
> However, one the other hand, I’m curious whether closing off the back of the piano will promote mold build-up on the piano backside? 
> 
> I would appreciate any thoughts or comments others here may have about this issue.
> 
> -Robert
> 
>

Re: [disklavier] Re:Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-12-02 by ROBERT LEBLANC

The helpful folks at Dampp- Chaser provided the following information: 

"The backside installation does include a backside cover. The cover is made of black breathable cloth. This serves to create a micro environment for the system, and also disguises the system from view. Since the cloth is breathable and allows for air circulation there isn’t a concern with mold." 

I’m proceeding with having a Damp-Chasers humidity control system installed on my upright Disklavier. 

Thanks again to everyone here for all the helpful info and guidance. 

-Robert 
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From: "Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> 
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:00:04 AM 
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re:Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright 

  




The system comes with a sheet of black plastic the covers the back of the piano to keep the humidity in. I don't think the Damppchaser humidifier is powerful enough to have any effect on the room or surrounding area with or without the plastic. 


I have never worried about mold, but have no answer about that.  

Sam  

www.keyboardcollective.com 











On Dec 2, 2014, at 12:38 PM, r_leblanc@... [disklavier] < disklavier@yahoogroups.com > wrote: 




  



I inquired with the folks at Dampp-Chaser and the humidity control system needed for an upright Disklavier is the ‘Back Side Vertical System’, model BSV8PS, part number 72674. 
  
I now have one additional question. 
I believe someone here mentioned that after the Dampp-Chaser is installed, the final step is to close off the back of the piano, presumably to contain the Dampp-Chaser system.   Is this a recommended practice? 
O n the one hand, I can rationalize that closing off the back of the piano makes sense so as to avoid having the Dampp-Chase attempt to humidify the surrounding area / room.   Raising the room RH will promote condensation build-up on the nearby windows during the colder winter months.   One of the primary reasons for wanting to have a Dampp-Chaser system installed is to compensate for the very low RH in the house during the winter months due to being forced to turn down the furnace humidifier to avoid excessive condensation / frost build-up on the windows, etc. 
However, one the other hand, I’m curious whether closing off the back of the piano will promote mold build-up on the piano backside?  
I would appreciate any thoughts or comments others here may have about this issue. 
-Robert

Re: [disklavier] Re:Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-12-02 by Skanter123

Mine came with black plastic. Maybe they've changed it. I will call them...

Sam 
www.keyboardcollective.com
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> On Dec 2, 2014, at 1:32 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
> The helpful folks at Dampp-Chaser provided the following information:
> 
> "The backside installation does include a backside cover. The cover is made of black breathable cloth. This serves to create a micro environment for the system, and also disguises the system from view. Since the cloth is breathable and allows for air circulation there isn’t a concern with mold."
> 
> I’m proceeding with having a Damp-Chasers humidity control system installed on my upright Disklavier.
> 
> Thanks again to everyone here for all the helpful info and guidance.
> 
> -Robert
> 
> 
> From: "Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:00:04 AM
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re:Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright
> 
>  
> The system comes with a sheet of black plastic the covers the back of the piano to keep the humidity in. I don't think the Damppchaser humidifier is powerful enough to have any effect on the room or surrounding area with or without the plastic.
> 
> I have never worried about mold, but have no answer about that. 
> 
> Sam 
> www.keyboardcollective.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 2, 2014, at 12:38 PM, r_leblanc@shaw.ca [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> 
> I inquired with the folks at Dampp-Chaser and the humidity control system needed for an upright Disklavier is the ‘Back Side Vertical System’, model BSV8PS, part number 72674.
> 
>  
> 
> I now have one additional question.
> 
> I believe someone here mentioned that after the Dampp-Chaser is installed, the final step is to close off the back of the piano, presumably to contain the Dampp-Chaser system.  Is this a recommended practice?
> 
> On the one hand, I can rationalize that closing off the back of the piano makes sense so as to avoid having the Dampp-Chase attempt to humidify the surrounding area / room.  Raising the room RH will promote condensation build-up on the nearby windows during the colder winter months.  One of the primary reasons for wanting to have a Dampp-Chaser system installed is to compensate for the very low RH in the house during the winter months due to being forced to turn down the furnace humidifier to avoid excessive condensation / frost build-up on the windows, etc.
> 
> However, one the other hand, I’m curious whether closing off the back of the piano will promote mold build-up on the piano backside? 
> 
> I would appreciate any thoughts or comments others here may have about this issue.
> 
> -Robert
> 
> 
>

Re: [disklavier] Re:Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

2014-12-02 by Sam Kanter

I called Dampp-Chaser, they will sell the newer cover to my tech (not to me). If the part is not exorbitant, I will replace my plastic cover. Thanks!


On Tue, Dec 2, 2014 at 1:32 PM, ROBERT LEBLANC r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

The helpful folks at Dampp-Chaser provided the following information:

"The backside installation does include a backside cover. The cover is made of black breathable cloth. This serves to create a micro environment for the system, and also disguises the system from view. Since the cloth is breathable and allows for air circulation there isn’t a concern with mold."

I’m proceeding with having a Damp-Chasers humidity control system installed on my upright Disklavier.

Thanks again to everyone here for all the helpful info and guidance.

-Robert


Show quoted textHide quoted text
From: "Skanter123 skanter123@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 2, 2014 11:00:04 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re:Thoughts on Installing Dampp Chaser on Disklavier Upright

The system comes with a sheet of black plastic the covers the back of the piano to keep the humidity in. I don't think the Damppchaser humidifier is powerful enough to have any effect on the room or surrounding area with or without the plastic.

I have never worried about mold, but have no answer about that.

Sam

On Dec 2, 2014, at 12:38 PM, r_leblanc@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

I inquired with the folks at Dampp-Chaser and the humidity control system needed for an upright Disklavier is the ‘Back Side Vertical System’, model BSV8PS, part number 72674.

I now have one additional question.

I believe someone here mentioned that after the Dampp-Chaser is installed, the final step is to close off the back of the piano, presumably to contain the Dampp-Chaser system. Is this a recommended practice?

On the one hand, I can rationalize that closing off the back of the piano makes sense so as to avoid having the Dampp-Chase attempt to humidify the surrounding area / room. Raising the room RH will promote condensation build-up on the nearby windows during the colder winter months. One of the primary reasons for wanting to have a Dampp-Chaser system installed is to compensate for the very low RH in the house during the winter months due to being forced to turn down the furnace humidifier to avoid excessive condensation / frost build-up on the windows, etc.

However, one the other hand, I’m curious whether closing off the back of the piano will promote mold build-up on the piano backside?

I would appreciate any thoughts or comments others here may have about this issue.

-Robert



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