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2016-09-24 by Charles Lau

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On Sat, 9/17/16, markbevingtonsmith@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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 Subject: [disklavier] Power Failure [1 Attachment]
 To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
 Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016, 1:34 AM
 
 
When I spoke with tech support about my MarkIV PSU problem they said always have it plugged into a surge protector.

You can buy these on Amazon for example
https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-BE112230-08-12-Outlet-Surge-Protector/dp/B000J2EN4S/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1474748885&sr=8-3&keywords=surge+protector+power+strip
          
               
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 markbevingtonsmith@... [disklavier] included
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       Hi Everyone, 
 I have a Disklavier MKIIXG (1999) that
 has just died. I have had a quick check round the PSU
 modules and have found that the 4A fuse (circled in the
 attached photo) has blown. Does anyone know what may have
 caused this? Also is this fuse a normal or quick blow type
 before I order some? The piano was being used in silent
 mode on last operation and switched off as normal. Also as
 the silent mechanism stepper motor is still in the hammer
 blocking position so I need to release the cable for normal
 piano operation. Is there a correct way to release this
 without power? Many thanks for any help. 
 
     
      
 
     
     
 
 
 
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Re[2]: [disklavier] Power Failure

2016-09-24 by Spencer Chase

i had severe power problems for many years and did a lot of research in to surge protection. pretty much all the consumer grade surge protection devices are worthless. the only thing good would be if they really do honor the protected equipment replacement insurance they offer but the devices themselves are almost worthless. they are based on MOV technology and usually have in adequate sizes and types of these to do anything other than protect form minor transients. they can also have noise filtering which can be helpful but it is not surge protection. also, when MOVs are stressed, they gradually fail and there is no way to know if they are still capable of doing anything other than by destructive testing.

the power company fixed the problem that as causing the surges. it turned out that they needed to spend a few million dollars replacing the distribution system in my area. i actually won against PG&E which is almost unheard of.

in the meantime i installed an industrial quality whole house protector that has something like 200 times the energy absorbing ability of a standard power strip type protector. i am actually on my second such unit because one surge destroyed the first one.

i also discovered that the Panamax surge protectors that have the feature they call "protect or disconnect" are vastly superior to other devices. they have a deadman relay that keeps the load connected and if the input is over or under the design limits or if there is a high voltage transient, the relay is released protecting the connected load and also the MOVs. so the MOVs are much less likely to be stressed. these strips protect against brownout conditions as well.
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
Spencer@mcn.org
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212



------ Original Message ------
From: "Charles Lau charleslau@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 9/24/2016 1:30:50 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Power Failure

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On Sat, 9/17/16, markbevingtonsmith@...m [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [disklavier] Power Failure [1 Attachment]
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016, 1:34 AM


When I spoke with tech support about my MarkIV PSU problem they said always have it plugged into a surge protector.

You can buy these on Amazon for example
https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-BE112230-08-12-Outlet-Surge-Protector/dp/B000J2EN4S/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1474748885&sr=8-3&keywords=surge+protector+power+strip


[Attachment(s) from
markbevingtonsmith@... [disklavier] included
below]


Hi Everyone,
I have a Disklavier MKIIXG (1999) that
has just died. I have had a quick check round the PSU
modules and have found that the 4A fuse (circled in the
attached photo) has blown. Does anyone know what may have
caused this? Also is this fuse a normal or quick blow type
before I order some? The piano was being used in silent
mode on last operation and switched off as normal. Also as
the silent mechanism stepper motor is still in the hammer
blocking position so I need to release the cable for normal
piano operation. Is there a correct way to release this
without power? Many thanks for any help.









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Re: Re[2]: [disklavier] Power Failure

2016-09-24 by GDPERRY@...

I use APC Uninterruptible Power Supplies (UPS) on all my electronics. Do  
know if they are capable of protecting my Mark III electronics?
Thanks,
Glen Perry
 
 
 
In a message dated 9/24/2016 4:40:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
disklavier@yahoogroups.com writes:

 
 
 
i had severe power problems for many years and did a lot of research in  to 
surge protection. pretty much all the consumer grade surge protection  
devices are worthless. the only thing good would be if they really do honor  the 
protected equipment replacement insurance they offer but the devices  
themselves are almost worthless.  they are based on MOV technology and  usually 
have in adequate sizes and types of these to do anything other than  protect 
form minor transients. they can also have noise filtering which can be  
helpful but it is not surge protection. also, when MOVs are stressed, they  
gradually fail and there is no way to know if they are still capable of doing  
anything other than by destructive testing. 


the power company fixed the problem that as causing the surges. it turned  
out that they needed to spend a few million dollars replacing the 
distribution  system in my area. i actually won against PG&E which is almost unheard  
of.


in the meantime i installed an industrial quality whole house protector  
that has something like 200 times the energy absorbing ability of a standard  
power strip type protector. i am actually on my second such unit because one 
 surge destroyed the first one. 


i also discovered that the Panamax surge protectors that have the feature  
they call "protect or disconnect" are vastly superior to other devices. they 
 have a deadman relay that keeps the load connected and if the input is 
over or  under the design limits or if there is a high voltage transient, the 
relay is  released protecting the connected load and also the MOVs. so the 
MOVs are much  less likely to be stressed. these strips protect against 
brownout conditions  as well. 
 


Best regards, Spencer  Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service  only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA  98020
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425)  791-0309
(707) 223-8212
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------ Original Message ------
From: "Charles Lau charleslau@... [disklavier]" 
<disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: 9/24/2016 1:30:50 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Power Failure



 

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On Sat, 9/17/16, markbevingtonsmith@...  [disklavier] 
<disklavier@yahoogroups.com>  wrote:

Subject: [disklavier] Power Failure [1 Attachment]
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Date:  Saturday, September 17, 2016, 1:34 AM


When I spoke with tech  support about my MarkIV PSU problem they said 
always have it plugged into a  surge protector.

You can buy these on Amazon for example
https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-BE112230-08-12-Outlet-Surge-Protector/dp/B000J
2EN4S/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1474748885&sr=8-3&keywords=surge+protector+powe
r+strip


[Attachment(s)  from
markbevingtonsmith@...  [disklavier] included
below]


Hi Everyone, 
I have  a Disklavier MKIIXG (1999) that
has just died. I have had a quick  check round the PSU
modules and have found that the 4A fuse (circled in  the
attached photo) has blown. Does anyone know what may have
caused  this? Also is this fuse a normal or quick blow type
before I  order some? The piano was being used in silent
mode on last  operation and switched off as normal. Also as
the silent mechanism  stepper motor is still in the hammer
blocking position  so I need to release the cable for normal
piano operation. Is there  a correct way to release this
without power? Many thanks for any  help. 









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Re[4]: [disklavier] Power Failure

2016-09-24 by Spencer Chase

that would depend on the particulars of the UPS you use. a UPS is an inverter that provides power to the load when the line voltage is considered inadequate. there are also UPS units called "full time" that do not switch between the line and the inverter. the inverter is on all the time and provides power to the load. these are the best but there are other considerations. some inverters produce a "modified sine wave" that is actually a stepped approximation of a sine wave. some electronics and some motor loads do not like this type of waveform. might be OK for short term but can stress things like capacitors and cause early failure. pure sine wave inverters produce power that is essentially like the power company sine wave. there may be a few little glitches but a good sine wave inverter does not stress electronics.
in general the best UPS is a good quality full time pure sine wave type. you don't have to worry about switching from bad power and what the mfg might have set as the conditions when switching occurs. the line just charges the battery and provides power to the inverter. a good full time UPS will not allow any nasties from the line through to the load.

a UPS that switches when the line fails is only as protective as the mfg decided to make it. good ones will switch very quickly and whenever there is any problem with the line at all including transients brownouts surges etc.

i am do not know what is available currently. i have not looked at UPSs in a few years. pure sine wave was always more expensive and full time was also. if nothing terrible will happen if the line goes down there really is not need for a UPS unless you want the full protection of a pure sine wave full time type and these are probably still expensive. a good surge protector that disconnects the load from the line if anything bad happens is going to be a lot cheaper. the only reason you really need a UPS is to protect against data loss or for critical equipment that must remain on such as medical equipment.
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@...
Spencer@poodlex.com
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212



------ Original Message ------
From: "GDPERRY@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 9/24/2016 3:15:35 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [disklavier] Power Failure

Show quoted textHide quoted text

I use APC Uninterruptible Power Supplies (UPS) on all my electronics. Do know if they are capable of protecting my Mark III electronics?
Thanks,
Glen Perry
In a message dated 9/24/2016 4:40:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, disklavier@...m writes:

i had severe power problems for many years and did a lot of research in to surge protection. pretty much all the consumer grade surge protection devices are worthless. the only thing good would be if they really do honor the protected equipment replacement insurance they offer but the devices themselves are almost worthless. they are based on MOV technology and usually have in adequate sizes and types of these to do anything other than protect form minor transients. they can also have noise filtering which can be helpful but it is not surge protection. also, when MOVs are stressed, they gradually fail and there is no way to know if they are still capable of doing anything other than by destructive testing.

the power company fixed the problem that as causing the surges. it turned out that they needed to spend a few million dollars replacing the distribution system in my area. i actually won against PG&E which is almost unheard of.

in the meantime i installed an industrial quality whole house protector that has something like 200 times the energy absorbing ability of a standard power strip type protector. i am actually on my second such unit because one surge destroyed the first one.

i also discovered that the Panamax surge protectors that have the feature they call "protect or disconnect" are vastly superior to other devices. they have a deadman relay that keeps the load connected and if the input is over or under the design limits or if there is a high voltage transient, the relay is released protecting the connected load and also the MOVs. so the MOVs are much less likely to be stressed. these strips protect against brownout conditions as well.
Best regards, Spencer Chase
67550-Bell Springs Rd.
Garberville, CA 95542 Postal service only.
Laytonville, CA 95454 UPS only.
21220 92nd Place W., Edmonds, WA 98020
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
Spencer@...
http://www.spencerserolls.com
http://www.poodlex.com
(425) 791-0309
(707) 223-8212



------ Original Message ------
From: "Charles Lau charleslau@... [disklavier]" <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: 9/24/2016 1:30:50 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Power Failure


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On Sat, 9/17/16, markbevingtonsmith@... [disklavier] <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: [disklavier] Power Failure [1 Attachment]
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016, 1:34 AM


When I spoke with tech support about my MarkIV PSU problem they said always have it plugged into a surge protector.

You can buy these on Amazon for example
https://www.amazon.com/Belkin-BE112230-08-12-Outlet-Surge-Protector/dp/B000J2EN4S/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1474748885&sr=8-3&keywords=surge+protector+power+strip


[Attachment(s) from
markbevingtonsmith@... [disklavier] included
below]


Hi Everyone,
I have a Disklavier MKIIXG (1999) that
has just died. I have had a quick check round the PSU
modules and have found that the 4A fuse (circled in the
attached photo) has blown. Does anyone know what may have
caused this? Also is this fuse a normal or quick blow type
before I order some? The piano was being used in silent
mode on last operation and switched off as normal. Also as
the silent mechanism stepper motor is still in the hammer
blocking position so I need to release the cable for normal
piano operation. Is there a correct way to release this
without power? Many thanks for any help.









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