Macintosh
2002-04-14 by msfan66208
would love to be able to download music via my Mac for the disklavier, but am told by Yamaha that this option is not available. Without being too technical, wondered if this is possible. Welcome any suggestions.
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Macintosh
Re: [disklavier] Macintosh
2002-04-14 by PianoBench@aol.com
Good morning, everyone. In a message dated 4/13/02 11:50:18 PM, jnorden@... writes: << would love to be able to download music via my Mac for the disklavier, but am told by Yamaha that this option is not available. Without being too technical, wondered if this is possible. Welcome any suggestions. >> Nearly everything that you might want to do from a computer with a Disklavier is possible using a Macintosh. Did someone at Yamaha in California tell you this or did your dealer say this? As for "downloading music via the Mac," it is unclear what you would like to do. Do you: --Want to download MIDI files from the Internet, save them to a floppy disk, and play them on your Disklavier? --Play MIDI files directly from your web browser using your Disklavier? --Play MIDI files using another software program running on your Mac? --Record MIDI files that are on your Mac directly to the disk drive of your Disklavier? Different people mean different things wen they use the word "download." All of these things are possible. Regards, PianoBench
Re: Macintosh
2002-04-14 by Jean-Denis Muys-Vasovic
Everything you can do with a PC, you can do with a Macintosh. Those who say otherwise are either ignorant or trying to mislead you. I don't have a disklavier, but a Clavinova, and I use it with my Macintosh all the time. The simplest way to use both together is to exchange MIDI files through a floppy disk. Regards, Jean-Denis At 11:56 +0000 14/04/02, disklavier@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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>Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:49:00 -0000 > From: "msfan66208" <jnorden@...> >Subject: Macintosh > >would love to be able to download music via my Mac for the >disklavier, but am told by Yamaha that this option is not >available. Without being too technical, wondered if this is >possible. Welcome any suggestions. >
Re: Macintosh
2002-04-14 by slickfix2
I have downloaded music from Yamaha musicsoft and you must download the installer program in order to download the file. Its not just downloading a midi file, as the program formats and then does a floppy disk write to the disk, Not the HD. SO if there is not an installer program for the MAC that is the problem. Also I believe the disk when written is in Yamaha disklavier ESEQ format so you cannot even read the disk unless you have a disklavier or a special drive conversion program, as the first sector of the floppy is wiped. --- In disklavier@y..., Jean-Denis Muys-Vasovic <jdmv@m...> wrote:
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> Everything you can do with a PC, you can do with a Macintosh. Those > who say otherwise are either ignorant or trying to mislead you. > > I don't have a disklavier, but a Clavinova, and I use it with my > Macintosh all the time. The simplest way to use both together is to > exchange MIDI files through a floppy disk. > > Regards, > > Jean-Denis > > > At 11:56 +0000 14/04/02, disklavier@y... wrote: > >Message: 2 > > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 03:49:00 -0000 > > From: "msfan66208" <jnorden@k...> > >Subject: Macintosh > > > >would love to be able to download music via my Mac for the > >disklavier, but am told by Yamaha that this option is not > >available. Without being too technical, wondered if this is > >possible. Welcome any suggestions. > >
Re: [disklavier] Re: Macintosh
2002-04-15 by PianoBench@aol.com
Good evening, everyone. In a message dated 4/14/02 6:12:26 PM, slickfix@... writes: << I have downloaded music from Yamaha musicsoft and you must download the installer program in order to download the file. Its not just downloading a midi file, as the program formats and then does a floppy disk write to the disk, Not the HD. SO if there is not an installer program for the MAC that is the problem. Also I believe the disk when written is in Yamaha disklavier ESEQ format so you cannot even read the disk unless you have a disklavier or a special drive conversion program, as the first sector of the floppy is wiped. >> Good thing that I said, "Nearly everything that you might want to do from a computer with a Disklavier is possible using a Macintosh," in my earlier post. You are correct. Due to the copy-protection scheme that Yamaha has chosen to use for its software download procedure, it is either impossible for the same results to be achieved on a Macintosh or Yamaha chose not to go to the exp ense of programming such a solution for the Mac. On a related subject, some years ago I spoke with Gary Geibler about the way in which his conversion program reads Yamaha's older DD Disklavier disks. He said that he was able to write a DOS program to do this because he could use the computer's BIOS to access the floppy drive hardware directly. The Mac OS did not give him a similar way to do this, therefore his program would not do the same under emmulation on the Mac. It would be interesting to try VirtualPC on the Mac with this downloader program from YamahaMusicSoft. I doubt that it will run under emulation for similar reasons. Regards, PianoBench
Editing PDISK.MNG and PSONG.MNG files
2002-04-15 by John Burton
Hello all Are there any programs available for editing the files on the floppy disks that control units like the DKC500RXG generate? The program that is available for the E-SEQ disks that is in the files section of this group is great for the E-SEQ disks. I would like to have more meaningful disk and song titles than PIANO001.MID etc on my MIDI disks. Any help would be most appreciated. Regards John
Re: Macintosh
2002-04-15 by Jean-Denis Muys-Vasovic
I suppose I should have added "nearly" to my answer as well... Or should I really have? Quite obviously, the Macintosh could be programmed to write the said floppy disk, in exactly the same way as Yamaha chose to write a PC program. In fact, the hardware capabilities of earlier Macintosh models (up to the beige PowerMacs G3 or so), were better than PC's and all accessible by software (with MacOS up to version 9.x). But all this is academic. You can try using virtual PC as suggested, but I too am afraid that it won't work. You can also try to find a friend with a PC. In any case, I strongly suggest that you loudly protest with Yamaha for this discrimination against Macintoshes. Finally, if you are ready to send me the files (and your address), I can see what I can do, including use my PC to generate the floppy disk for you. At 11:33 +0000 15/04/02, disklavier@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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>Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 14 Apr 2002 21:25:56 EDT > From: PianoBench@... >Subject: Re: Re: Macintosh > >Good evening, everyone. > >In a message dated 4/14/02 6:12:26 PM, slickfix@... writes: > ><< I have downloaded music from Yamaha musicsoft and you must download >the installer program in order to download the file. Its not just >downloading a midi file, as the program formats and then does a floppy >disk write to the disk, Not the HD. SO if there is not an installer >program for the MAC that is the problem. > >Also I believe the disk when written is in Yamaha disklavier ESEQ >format so you cannot even read the disk unless you have a disklavier >or a special drive conversion program, as the first sector of the >floppy is wiped. >> > >Good thing that I said, "Nearly everything that you might want to do from a >computer with a Disklavier >is possible using a Macintosh," in my earlier post. > >You are correct. Due to the copy-protection scheme that Yamaha has chosen to >use for its software download procedure, it is either impossible for the same >results to be achieved on a Macintosh or Yamaha chose not to go to the exp >ense of programming such a solution for the Mac. > >On a related subject, some years ago I spoke with Gary Geibler about the way >in which his conversion program reads Yamaha's older DD Disklavier disks. He >said that he was able to write a DOS program to do this because he could use >the computer's BIOS to access the floppy drive hardware directly. The Mac OS >did not give him a similar way to do this, therefore his program would not do >the same under emmulation on the Mac. > >It would be interesting to try VirtualPC on the Mac with this downloader >program from YamahaMusicSoft. I doubt that it will run under emulation for >similar reasons. > >Regards, >PianoBench
Re: [disklavier] Re: Macintosh
2002-04-15 by Charlers F Muller Jr
Come on guys, it's time to give up the ghost. The whole world writes programs for the PC, why limit yourself? There's no better time than now to buy a PC, try it you'll like it. Chuck Muller
RE: [disklavier] Re: Macintosh
2002-04-15 by Todd Muncy
Chuck, Don't you know better? I learned a long time ago to let sleeping Apple devotees lie. You're about to start a wild fire. It's not a rational issue that can be debated. It's an attempt to violate their freedom of religion. If Apple users want to suffer the obvious disadvantages of limited software support, so be it. I used to own a Money Mailer franchise, which involved working with graphic pre-press artists. Everything was based on the Mac platform. I finally understood how Apple users feel most of the time. Todd Muncy disklavier@... http://MuncyFamily.com <http://muncyfamily.com/>
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-----Original Message----- From: Charlers F Muller Jr [mailto:cfmuller@...] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 2:19 PM To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Macintosh Come on guys, it's time to give up the ghost. The whole world writes programs for the PC, why limit yourself? There's no better time than now to buy a PC, try it you'll like it. Chuck Muller Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT <http://rd.yahoo.com/M=194081.1994012.3473453.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=1705 032012:HM/A=1036972/R=0/*http:/www.ediets.com/start.cfm?code=3466> Click Here! <http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=194081.1994012.3473453.1261774/D=egrou pmail/S=1705032012:HM/A=1036972/rand=429338712> To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@... To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to: disklavier-owner@... To reach our group's web site go to: http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is: http://MuncyFamily.com THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to: disklavier-unsubscribe@... Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link: http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/> Terms of Service.
RE: [disklavier] Re: Macintosh
2002-04-15 by Weblistings.com
Hey Chuck, have you seen the new iMac? Or iPhoto, iPod, iDVD, etc. They are miles ahead of Wintel. Now, if they just knew how to market a product.... Being a Mac user since Mac 128 in 1984, I have suffered through the lack of programs for the machine. But it has always been in my opinion superior in many ways (graphics, networking, SPEED,etc.) I have just switched my accounting program over to a PC, because we were getting left in the dust by the accounting software companies. Same probably true about Yamaha. But it is not that hard to recode a simple program over to the Mac. Maybe I'LL write the program, if they want to leave this 9% of the market behind. Luckily, I have both platforms, so I get the best of both worlds. -Ken
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-----Original Message----- From: Charlers F Muller Jr [mailto:cfmuller@...] Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 11:19 AM To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Macintosh Come on guys, it's time to give up the ghost. The whole world writes programs for the PC, why limit yourself? There's no better time than now to buy a PC, try it you'll like it. Chuck Muller To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@... To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to: disklavier-owner@... To reach our group's web site go to: http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is: http://MuncyFamily.com THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to: disklavier-unsubscribe@... Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link: http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [disklavier] Re: Macintosh
2002-04-16 by Charlers F Muller Jr
Apple has made the same mistake as Sony did with Betamax. Betamax was superior to VHS, but Sony would not share with the rest of the industry, where is Betamax today, in a hole 6 feet deep. No doubt imac is superior, but........................... Chuck Muller
Re: [disklavier] Re: Macintosh
2002-04-16 by Gary Connoley
Lets not start a boring debate on Mac vs PC, both have their strengths I am sure. I have both so I have the best of both worlds, I am however using Virtual PC for the Mac running Win XP beautifully, I am using my PCs less and less. There is one point id like to make: the virus internet.bat sure wouldn't have screwed up my mac!
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On 16/4/02 2:32 am, "Charlers F Muller Jr" <cfmuller@...> wrote: > Apple has made the same mistake as Sony did with Betamax. Betamax was > superior to VHS, but Sony would not share with the rest of the industry, > where is Betamax today, in a hole 6 feet deep. > No doubt imac is superior, but........................... > Chuck Muller > > > > To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@... > > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, > send it to: > disklavier-owner@... > > To reach our group's web site go to: > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier > > Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some > fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is: > http://MuncyFamily.com > > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go > the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix > the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on > leaving us completely send a blank email to: > disklavier-unsubscribe@... > > Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: > disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link: > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >
Re: [disklavier] Re: Macintosh
2002-04-16 by Larry McKenzie
Actually Betamax is the industry standard for professional broadcasters. Most of your evening news was filmed on a modern betamax camcorder. Everything has it's niche... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - online filing with TurboTax http://taxes.yahoo.com/
Re: Macintosh
2002-04-16 by Jean-Denis Muys-Vasovic
Wow, you are fishing for a long thread here. Let me say only two things, then I will stay quiet: - I will not argue for any superiority of the Mac vs the PC. I will only say that I personally own four PCs and four Macs, and I barely ever turn on the PCs, unless I am forced to, simply because everything I need to do, I do faster and easier on the Mac. - Even if the Mac was really inferior, I would still hate to live in a world where the only choice is a platform controlled by one company. Even PC proponents should support Apple, if only because the mere possibility of a choice is an incentive for their side to innovate. Jean-Denis PS: A third point: look at the importance of viruses, even in this group. Let me lough out loud... At 11:23 +0000 16/04/02, disklavier@yahoogroups.com wrote:
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> >Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 14:18:43 -0400 > From: "Charlers F Muller Jr" <cfmuller@...> >Subject: Re: Re: Macintosh > >Come on guys, it's time to give up the ghost. The whole world writes >programs for the PC, why limit yourself? >There's no better time than now to buy a PC, try it you'll like it. >Chuck Muller > >________________________________________________________________________ > >Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 15:22:07 -0400 > From: "Todd Muncy" <disklavier@...> >Subject: RE: Re: Macintosh > >Chuck, > >Don't you know better? I learned a long time ago to let sleeping Apple >devotees lie. You're about to start a wild fire. It's not a rational >issue that can be debated. It's an attempt to violate their freedom of >religion. If Apple users want to suffer the obvious disadvantages of >limited software support, so be it. I used to own a Money Mailer >franchise, which involved working with graphic pre-press artists. >Everything was based on the Mac platform. I finally understood how >Apple users feel most of the time. > > > >Todd Muncy