Disklavier

I apologize as this may be slightly off-topic for this group, but I am 
having trouble getting my Mac to "talk" to my disklavier. I'm using a 
midiman USB connection and OMS does send test notes ok to the 
disklavier. The disklavier also sends to the midiman ok. My problem is 
getting micrologic (sequencer) to talk with the midiman/disklavier.

Does anyone have any experience with this software?

Thanks in advance for any assistance!

Tony

Good evening, everyone.

In a message dated 5/9/02 7:30:35 PM, Tony writes:

<< I apologize as this may be slightly off-topic for this group, but I am 
having trouble getting my Mac to "talk" to my disklavier. I'm using a 
midiman USB connection and OMS does send test notes ok to the 
disklavier. The disklavier also sends to the midiman ok. My problem is 
getting micrologic (sequencer) to talk with the midiman/disklavier.

Does anyone have any experience with this software? >>

I do not have experience with micrologic, but I do have experience with many 
other Macintosh programs.

If OMS can send notes to the Disklavier, can micrologic do the same?

Places where people often have trouble are these:

(1) OMS is flaky. I use a USB interface with a portable Mac. I am always 
finding that I need to have OMS rescan for the MIDI interface after it has 
been disconnected and reconnected. Then, I need to relaunch my MIDI program.

(2) The Disklavier has a split personality: It is really 2 MIDI devices in 
one, a piano and a tone generator. Unless you have properly coordinated your 
sequencer's MIDI send channel(s) with the Disklavier's MIDI receive 
channel(s), playback on the piano itself may not occur. Assuming that your 
Disklavier has a built in tone generator, playback should at least take place 
on the tone generator since it will play all channels not played by the 
piano. However, the speakers must be turned on and the volume turned up.

(3) The Disklavier has 3 MIDI Out settings. If you wish to play on the keys 
and send MIDI to the computer, be sure that you have set MIDI Out to Keyboard 
Out. If you wish to play a disk and have the data on the disk sent out, set 
MIDI Out = Ensemble Out and also find the setting for Piano ESBL Out and set 
it to On.

Hope that helps.

Regards.
PianoBench

Howdy,

thanks for the advice. I thought I'd email you directly since you were kind 
enough to try to help me. I guess I should elaborate on my set-up a bit as 
my situation is a bit unusual.

I have a MX100A disklavier-no tone generator and only two midi out 
settings-delay out/keyboard out. The midiman USB device has three lights 
that indicate 1. USB activity, 2. Midi In activity (signal from piano) and 
3. Midi out activity (signal from Macintosh).

Micrologic is a sequencing program that takes advantage or links through 
OMS...

What is happening when I am set up now at the midiman level is:
1. a constant light indicating USB activity
2. I can consistently get a test signal from OMS to actually generate a Midi 
Out light activity as well as a random key played on the MX100.
3. There is a constant light on indicating Midi In activity (when the piano 
is set to delay out.

However I can't get the sequencer software to send a signal of any sort as 
determined both at the midiman or at the piano level. The sequencer does 
show tones being generated, but there is no activity at the midiman level...

I guess at this point the problem is somewhere between the sequencer and 
OMS...

Any suggestions?

Thanks!

Tony




>From: PianoBench@...
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [disklavier] emagic micrologic - help!
>Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 19:46:50 EDT
>
>Good evening, everyone.
>
>In a message dated 5/9/02 7:30:35 PM, Tony writes:
>
><< I apologize as this may be slightly off-topic for this group, but I am
>having trouble getting my Mac to "talk" to my disklavier. I'm using a
>midiman USB connection and OMS does send test notes ok to the
>disklavier. The disklavier also sends to the midiman ok. My problem is
>getting micrologic (sequencer) to talk with the midiman/disklavier.
>
>Does anyone have any experience with this software? >>
>
>I do not have experience with micrologic, but I do have experience with 
>many
>other Macintosh programs.
>
>If OMS can send notes to the Disklavier, can micrologic do the same?
>
>Places where people often have trouble are these:
>
>(1) OMS is flaky. I use a USB interface with a portable Mac. I am always
>finding that I need to have OMS rescan for the MIDI interface after it has
>been disconnected and reconnected. Then, I need to relaunch my MIDI 
>program.
>
>(2) The Disklavier has a split personality: It is really 2 MIDI devices in
>one, a piano and a tone generator. Unless you have properly coordinated 
>your
>sequencer's MIDI send channel(s) with the Disklavier's MIDI receive
>channel(s), playback on the piano itself may not occur. Assuming that your
>Disklavier has a built in tone generator, playback should at least take 
>place
>on the tone generator since it will play all channels not played by the
>piano. However, the speakers must be turned on and the volume turned up.
>
>(3) The Disklavier has 3 MIDI Out settings. If you wish to play on the keys
>and send MIDI to the computer, be sure that you have set MIDI Out to 
>Keyboard
>Out. If you wish to play a disk and have the data on the disk sent out, set
>MIDI Out = Ensemble Out and also find the setting for Piano ESBL Out and 
>set
>it to On.
>
>Hope that helps.
>
>Regards.
>PianoBench
>
>
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Good evening, Tony.

<< thanks for the advice. I thought I'd email you directly since you were 
kind 
enough to try to help me. I guess I should elaborate on my set-up a bit as 
my situation is a bit unusual.>>

I am happy to try to help.

<<I have a MX100A disklavier-no tone generator and only two midi out 
settings-delay out/keyboard out. The midiman USB device has three lights 
that indicate 1. USB activity, 2. Midi In activity (signal from piano) and 
3. Midi out activity (signal from Macintosh).

Micrologic is a sequencing program that takes advantage or links through 
OMS...

What is happening when I am set up now at the midiman level is:
1. a constant light indicating USB activity>>

The Disklavier is one of many Yamaha products that send MIDI messages called 
active sensing. Therefore, I would expect that the MIDI In light would always 
be on and that would probably cause the USB light to be on, too.

<<2. I can consistently get a test signal from OMS to actually generate a 
Midi 
Out light activity as well as a random key played on the MX100.>>

This means that OMS and your connection to the Disklavier are fine. If you 
had a tone generator to receive on all of the other MIDI channels, you would 
hear quite a noise each time you did an output test within OMS Setup. Since 
you do not have the tone generator, you are just hearing whatever random note 
was sent on the MIDI channel that the Disklavier is set to receive on.

<<3. There is a constant light on indicating Midi In activity (when the piano 
is set to delay out.>>

As I mentioned, this is normal. However, if you play and note AND the 
Disklavier is set to Keyboard Out, then I would expect that light to flicker 
as data is sent through the interface. Similarly, if you leave the Disklavier 
set to Delay Out and try playing a disk, I would expect that light to flicker.

<<However I can't get the sequencer software to send a signal of any sort as 
determined both at the midiman or at the piano level. The sequencer does 
show tones being generated, but there is no activity at the midiman level...>>

This is definitely a problem between your sequencer and OMS. I am not sure 
what to say about that. If you go into your sequencer's MIDI setup dialog 
box, you should have several choices for MIDI Out that are offered by OMS, 
because OMS, theoretically, can talk to many different devices. I would check 
out that dialog box and pick the output setting that matches the output port 
on your MIDIMan interface as shown in your OMS Setup program.

I guess at this point the problem is somewhere between the sequencer and 
OMS... >>

Let me know if I can be of further help.

Regards,
George

George F. Litterst
TimeWarp Technologies
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Tony,

I am using Emagic Logic Audio Platinum. (along with Sonar 2 and Cubase VST)
I have never used Emagic's MicroLogic but if it is anything like Logic Audio
Platinum it can be a beast to set up and get running properly inside Logic's
'environment' setup. This is how you tell the sequencer what MIDI interface
you are using and where all your devices (MX100A disklavier is your case)
are interfaced physically to your Mac. It is done graphically on the screen
but it can be very difficult to comprehend the first time around...

Does MicroLogic use a similar 'interface' to Platinum's 'environment'? If it
does, email me privately and I'll see what I can do to help you out.

I am running aPC under Windows XP but the Logic 'environment' setup is the
same for the Mac...


Danny


----- Original Message -----

From: <PianoBench@...>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] emagic micrologic - help!


> Good evening, Tony.
>
> << thanks for the advice. I thought I'd email you directly since you were
> kind
> enough to try to help me. I guess I should elaborate on my set-up a bit as
> my situation is a bit unusual.>>
>
> I am happy to try to help.
>
> <<I have a MX100A disklavier-no tone generator and only two midi out
> settings-delay out/keyboard out. The midiman USB device has three lights
> that indicate 1. USB activity, 2. Midi In activity (signal from piano) and
> 3. Midi out activity (signal from Macintosh).