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USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-07 by ubec2002

Great List !!! Have been a member since I bought my MX100XG a couple 
of years back but have never posted, although I never fail to read 
every post on this list and grab ideas here and there.  

To preface my question to all you gurus out there, I must say, my 
musical talent is as good as a fish knows how to bike.  

I recenly bought a USB to Midi cable manufactured by Midiman which 
came with a Lite version of Cakewalk.  After a couple of nights of 
tinkering, I finally got my old laptop to send the midi data to my 
Disklavier keyboard (yup !!! full volume at 2AM.... you should see my 
wife and kids rush downstairs thinking we had a break in.  Some 
thief, decided to play the piano instead of walking out with it).

My next challenge is to send data from the keyboard to the laptop.  
Or better yet, from the controller to the laptop.  

After two sleepless nights and a wife who refused to talk to me this 
morning, I think the smart thing to do is ask all you experts out 
there.

Thanks.

Re: [disklavier] USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-07 by Kent Swafford

On 8/7/02 11:56 AM, "ubec2002" <ubec2002@...> wrote:

> After two sleepless nights and a wife who refused to talk to me this
> morning, I think the smart thing to do is ask all you experts out
> there.

In solidarity with your wife, I think we should decline to say anything.


:)


Kent Swafford

Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-07 by ubec2002

Ouch... that hurts :-(

Seriously... 

When I bang (my best attempt at playing music) on the keyboard, do I 
click record on my Cakewalk application?  

For controller to laptop:  Do I need to configure anything on the 
controller to send the signal to the laptop and the keyboard at the 
same time?  

Thanks again.


--- In disklavier@y..., Kent Swafford <kswafford@e...> wrote:
> On 8/7/02 11:56 AM, "ubec2002" <ubec2002@y...> wrote:
> 
> > After two sleepless nights and a wife who refused to talk to me 
this
> > morning, I think the smart thing to do is ask all you experts out
> > there.
> 
> In solidarity with your wife, I think we should decline to say 
anything.
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> 
> 
> :)
> 
> 
> Kent Swafford

Re: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-07 by Robert Welcyng

This reply is provided only if you promise to keep reasonable hours and 
stop annoying your family and the neighbors on your block.

Yes, you may need to set the DKV controller.  On a Mark II, and probably 
your MX100XG, punch the Func/Edit button and select MIDI Setup, MIDI 
Out, and set MIDI OUT = KBD out.

Connect the DKV's MIDI OUT to the the MIDI IN to the computer with a 
MIDI cable.

In Cakewalk, set the MIDI input port appropriately. Go to the 
Project/Options/MIDI Input and set Echo to Off.  (Or, to prevent an 
annoyimg feedback loop through the DKV, open the MIDI input connection 
to the DKV.  The echos will drive you crazy each time you boot up and 
start a new recording session.  I built a switchbox for my MIDI cables 
between the DKV and computer.)

Click the Cakewalk's record button and record.

A suggestion: For those late night quiet hours, you might like to read 
Scott Garrigus' helpful book, "Calkwalk Power!".

ubec2002 wrote:

> Ouch... that hurts :-(
> 
> Seriously... 
> 
> When I bang (my best attempt at playing music) on the keyboard, do I 
> click record on my Cakewalk application?  
> 
> For controller to laptop:  Do I need to configure anything on the 
> controller to send the signal to the laptop and the keyboard at the 
> same time?  
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@y..., Kent Swafford <kswafford@e...> wrote:
> 
>>On 8/7/02 11:56 AM, "ubec2002" <ubec2002@y...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>After two sleepless nights and a wife who refused to talk to me 
>>>
> this
> 
>>>morning, I think the smart thing to do is ask all you experts out
>>>there.
>>>
>>In solidarity with your wife, I think we should decline to say 
>>
> anything.
> 
>>
>>:)
>>
>>
>>Kent Swafford
>>
> 
> 
> 
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Anchorage, Alaska

Re: [disklavier] USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-07 by Carol Beigel

Actually, I cannot understand why anyone would want to record directly into 
their computer.  Are there any advantages?  I would think that one could 
record on the memory disk or a floppy, then open it in their sequencing 
software for editing.  At least that way, you wouldn't risk messing up your 
only copy!

If you had a Silent Piano, recording directly into your computer would be 
the only way to go, but you wouldn't get the piano to play back like a 
disklavier.  Of course, if you had a silent piano, your wife would still be 
speaking to you!

However, I can understand why you would want to PLAY midi files from you 
computer.  You can make play lists of just the songs you want; or have lists 
with the volume turned down for dinner parties, etc.

Let me know if I've missed something!

Carol Beigel


>From: "ubec2002" <ubec2002@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [disklavier] USB to Midi In/Out
>Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:56:40 -0000
>
>Great List !!! Have been a member since I bought my MX100XG a couple
>of years back but have never posted, although I never fail to read
>every post on this list and grab ideas here and there.
>
>To preface my question to all you gurus out there, I must say, my
>musical talent is as good as a fish knows how to bike.
>
>I recenly bought a USB to Midi cable manufactured by Midiman which
>came with a Lite version of Cakewalk.  After a couple of nights of
>tinkering, I finally got my old laptop to send the midi data to my
>Disklavier keyboard (yup !!! full volume at 2AM.... you should see my
>wife and kids rush downstairs thinking we had a break in.  Some
>thief, decided to play the piano instead of walking out with it).
>
>My next challenge is to send data from the keyboard to the laptop.
>Or better yet, from the controller to the laptop.
>
>After two sleepless nights and a wife who refused to talk to me this
>morning, I think the smart thing to do is ask all you experts out
>there.
>
>Thanks.
>
>
>
>




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Re: [disklavier] USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-07 by Robert Welcyng

Carol, I don't believe there is a great deal of difference in the 
benefits of the two methods.  My DKV sometimes thinks the key sensors 
are out and gives me a recording of the pedals only.  That hasn't 
happened when recording with Cakewalk.  Another benefit is that for a 
long recording session using Cakewalk, I needn't concern myself about 
running out of memory and losing my work.  Third, if I eventually want 
the file in MIDI format anyway (as opposed to E-SEQ), I've saved some 
effort.

Carol Beigel wrote:

> Actually, I cannot understand why anyone would want to record directly into 
> their computer.  Are there any advantages?  I would think that one could 
> record on the memory disk or a floppy, then open it in their sequencing 
> software for editing.  At least that way, you wouldn't risk messing up your 
> only copy!
> 
> If you had a Silent Piano, recording directly into your computer would be 
> the only way to go, but you wouldn't get the piano to play back like a 
> disklavier.  Of course, if you had a silent piano, your wife would still be 
> speaking to you!
> 
> However, I can understand why you would want to PLAY midi files from you 
> computer.  You can make play lists of just the songs you want; or have lists 
> with the volume turned down for dinner parties, etc.
> 
> Let me know if I've missed something!
> 
> Carol Beigel
> 
> 
> 
>>From: "ubec2002" <ubec2002@...>
>>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [disklavier] USB to Midi In/Out
>>Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 16:56:40 -0000
>>
>>Great List !!! Have been a member since I bought my MX100XG a couple
>>of years back but have never posted, although I never fail to read
>>every post on this list and grab ideas here and there.
>>
>>To preface my question to all you gurus out there, I must say, my
>>musical talent is as good as a fish knows how to bike.
>>
>>I recenly bought a USB to Midi cable manufactured by Midiman which
>>came with a Lite version of Cakewalk.  After a couple of nights of
>>tinkering, I finally got my old laptop to send the midi data to my
>>Disklavier keyboard (yup !!! full volume at 2AM.... you should see my
>>wife and kids rush downstairs thinking we had a break in.  Some
>>thief, decided to play the piano instead of walking out with it).
>>
>>My next challenge is to send data from the keyboard to the laptop.
>>Or better yet, from the controller to the laptop.
>>
>>After two sleepless nights and a wife who refused to talk to me this
>>morning, I think the smart thing to do is ask all you experts out
>>there.
>>
>>Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
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> 
> 
> 


-- 
Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska

Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-08 by ubec2002

Thanks for all your help.  I took a two hour lunch break and headed 
home to give it a try and it did work !!!  I had to play with MIDI 
input port on CakeWalk.  However I wonder if I could record from the 
DKV to my laptop.

What I really had in mind when I intended to record directly from the 
keyboard/DKV to my laptop is to remedy the memory constraint off my 
DKV.  I have dozens of 3.5 Pianosoft disks.  I have copied a few 
songs from each disk over to the DKV memory so I can replay them as 
my favorite selections.  However, I'm running out of room.  I was 
hoping I could copy (or at least sequence) them over to my laptop.

Any suggestions?  

Again, thanks for everbody who posted replies... even for just the 
laughs :-)

> 
> In Cakewalk, set the MIDI input port appropriately. Go to the 
> Project/Options/MIDI Input and set Echo to Off.  (Or, to prevent an 
> annoyimg feedback loop through the DKV, open the MIDI input 
connection 
> to the DKV.  The echos will drive you crazy each time you boot up 
and 
> start a new recording session.  I built a switchbox for my MIDI 
cables 
> between the DKV and computer.)
> 
> Click the Cakewalk's record button and record.
> 
> A suggestion: For those late night quiet hours, you might like to 
read 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Scott Garrigus' helpful book, "Calkwalk Power!".
> 

> -- 
> Robert Welcyng
> Anchorage, Alaska

Re: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-08 by Robert Welcyng

You may be archiving your PianoSoft files the hard way.  Why not use 
Giebler Utilities, or the free utility on this site, to convert your 
PianoSoft disks to MIDI and store the files on your laptop?

(I keep all my MIDI files on a data CD.  I have given them all long 
names (composer, title, performer) so that I can use the Windows Find 
facility to quickly locate them.  I play them with Cakewalk.)

ubec2002 wrote:

> Thanks for all your help.  I took a two hour lunch break and headed 
> home to give it a try and it did work !!!  I had to play with MIDI 
> input port on CakeWalk.  However I wonder if I could record from the 
> DKV to my laptop.
> 
> What I really had in mind when I intended to record directly from the 
> keyboard/DKV to my laptop is to remedy the memory constraint off my 
> DKV.  I have dozens of 3.5 Pianosoft disks.  I have copied a few 
> songs from each disk over to the DKV memory so I can replay them as 
> my favorite selections.  However, I'm running out of room.  I was 
> hoping I could copy (or at least sequence) them over to my laptop.
> 
> Any suggestions?  
> 
> Again, thanks for everbody who posted replies... even for just the 
> laughs :-)
> 
> 
>>In Cakewalk, set the MIDI input port appropriately. Go to the 
>>Project/Options/MIDI Input and set Echo to Off.  (Or, to prevent an 
>>annoyimg feedback loop through the DKV, open the MIDI input 
>>
> connection 
> 
>>to the DKV.  The echos will drive you crazy each time you boot up 
>>
> and 
> 
>>start a new recording session.  I built a switchbox for my MIDI 
>>
> cables 
> 
>>between the DKV and computer.)
>>
>>Click the Cakewalk's record button and record.
>>
>>A suggestion: For those late night quiet hours, you might like to 
>>
> read 
> 
>>Scott Garrigus' helpful book, "Calkwalk Power!".
>>
>>
> 
>>-- 
>>Robert Welcyng
>>Anchorage, Alaska
>>
> 
> 
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group.  If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
> disklavier-unsubscribe@...
> 
> Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a blank email to:
> disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
>  
> 
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ 
> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Robert Welcyng
Anchorage, Alaska

Re: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-08 by Carol Beigel

Depending on how big the song data is, the Disklavier you have will hold 60 
songs in ESEQ format or 99 songs in SMF (MIDI) format on each floppy disk or 
your 1MB memory disk.  Convert your PianoSoft songs to MIDI format using 
either the Giebler software or the DKVutilities in the files section of this 
website.

Remember though, you can copy the Yamaha songs INTO your control box, but 
you cannot copy them BACK out onto a floppy disk, or even your laptop.  You 
can, however, make copies of those disks using the software available to 
those on this list, and transfer those files to either unprotected diskettes 
or your laptop.

I suppose though, that it would be possible to insert a PianoSoft disk into 
the DKV and start it playing the piano.  At the same time, with the KYBD set 
to MIDI out, the data could be sent in real time to your Cakewalk program on 
your laptop and recorded.  Perhaps this is what you mean to do.  I think you 
would get better data if you just converted the files on the disks.

Use the Cakewalk program to turn down the volume on songs you think play too 
loudly, or use playlists to save wear and tear on your floppy drive.  YOu 
could even print the sheet music out for the arrangements you want to learn 
to play yourself!

Carol Beigel



>From: "ubec2002" <ubec2002@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out
>Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 00:08:52 -0000
>
>Thanks for all your help.  I took a two hour lunch break and headed
>home to give it a try and it did work !!!  I had to play with MIDI
>input port on CakeWalk.  However I wonder if I could record from the
>DKV to my laptop.
>
>What I really had in mind when I intended to record directly from the
>keyboard/DKV to my laptop is to remedy the memory constraint off my
>DKV.  I have dozens of 3.5 Pianosoft disks.  I have copied a few
>songs from each disk over to the DKV memory so I can replay them as
>my favorite selections.  However, I'm running out of room.  I was
>hoping I could copy (or at least sequence) them over to my laptop.
>
>Any suggestions?
>
>Again, thanks for everbody who posted replies... even for just the
>laughs :-)
>
> >
> > In Cakewalk, set the MIDI input port appropriately. Go to the
> > Project/Options/MIDI Input and set Echo to Off.  (Or, to prevent an
> > annoyimg feedback loop through the DKV, open the MIDI input
>connection
> > to the DKV.  The echos will drive you crazy each time you boot up
>and
> > start a new recording session.  I built a switchbox for my MIDI
>cables
> > between the DKV and computer.)
> >
> > Click the Cakewalk's record button and record.
> >
> > A suggestion: For those late night quiet hours, you might like to
>read
> > Scott Garrigus' helpful book, "Calkwalk Power!".
> >
>
> > --
> > Robert Welcyng
> > Anchorage, Alaska
>




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Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-08 by ubec2002

Thanks for all the suggestions.  

Yup... it's archeiving that I needed to do.  And I had to say it in 
so many words.  I didn't know I could convert them to midi files.  
The last time I tried to copy the diskettes, it wouldn't even read 
them on my PC. 

Let me download that utility that Carol suggested...

Again.... thanks for pointing me to the right direction



\
--- In disklavier@y..., "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...> wrote:
> Depending on how big the song data is, the Disklavier you have will 
hold 60 
> songs in ESEQ format or 99 songs in SMF (MIDI) format on each 
floppy disk or 
> your 1MB memory disk.  Convert your PianoSoft songs to MIDI format 
using 
<SNIPPED>

Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-08 by lozzy_uk

--- In disklavier@y..., "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...> wrote:
> If you had a Silent Piano, recording directly into your computer 
> would be the only way to go, 

I don't follow any of that statement..I have a silent piano and I can 
record on either it or cakewalk.

>but you wouldn't get the piano to play back like a 
> disklavier.

This is the next bit I don't get - why not?

regards
Lozzy

Re: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-08 by Carol Beigel

The disk copy and convert programs only run in DOS.  Not a Window in DOS, 
but real DOS. Reboot your computer using the DOS prompt. The diskettes you 
need should be IBM formatted.  Then, your computer will see the files.  The 
PianoSoft files will have the extension .fil.  Then convert them to MIDI 
files.  If you use the same disk, the .fil files will be overwritten by the 
.mid files.
Just to give you a heads-up! :)

Carol Beigel


>From: "ubec2002" <ubec2002@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out
>Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 02:08:28 -0000
>
>Thanks for all the suggestions.
>
>Yup... it's archeiving that I needed to do.  And I had to say it in
>so many words.  I didn't know I could convert them to midi files.
>The last time I tried to copy the diskettes, it wouldn't even read
>them on my PC.
>
>Let me download that utility that Carol suggested...
>
>Again.... thanks for pointing me to the right direction
>
>
>
>\
>--- In disklavier@y..., "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...> wrote:
> > Depending on how big the song data is, the Disklavier you have will
>hold 60
> > songs in ESEQ format or 99 songs in SMF (MIDI) format on each
>floppy disk or
> > your 1MB memory disk.  Convert your PianoSoft songs to MIDI format
>using
><SNIPPED>
>




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Re: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-08 by Carol Beigel

Yamaha makes 2 kinds of these hybrid pianos.  The Silent Piano was the old 
name for the MIDI piano which is a regular acoustic piano that has key 
sensors.  To play the piano in Silent Mode, one throws a switch and dons 
headphones.  The hammers never hit the strings while in this mode, so the 
piano is "silent".  What the piano player hears, wearing the headphones, is 
a tone-generated piano sound.  There is usually a MIDI out port on the 
switch box.  There is no playback feature on these pianos because there are 
no solenoids under the keys.  There is no processor in which to store 
recorded data.

A Disklavier has solenoids under the back of the keys that make the piano 
play.  DKVs can be playback only models that do not have a record feature.  
They can have both Record and Playback capability.  Or they can also have 
the Silent feature (most Mark IIIs)in addition to the Record and Playback 
capabilities.

You cannot Record from a playback only Disklavier.  But you can record from 
a MIDI piano (or the old name, Silent Piano) through the MIDI Out port, 
through a MIDI interface connected to a computer running sequencing 
software.

Yamaha also makes digital, piano shaped objects that look like pianos, but 
have no strings.  They have piano actions so they feel like acoustic pianos, 
and some of these even have Disklaviers - they Record and Playback, as well 
as silent features.

Carol Beigel


>From: "lozzy_uk" <lozzy@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out
>Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 02:24:03 -0000
>
>--- In disklavier@y..., "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...> wrote:
> > If you had a Silent Piano, recording directly into your computer
> > would be the only way to go,
>
>I don't follow any of that statement..I have a silent piano and I can
>record on either it or cakewalk.
>
> >but you wouldn't get the piano to play back like a
> > disklavier.
>
>This is the next bit I don't get - why not?
>
>regards
>Lozzy
>




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Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-08 by ubec2002

Do I need DOS 6.22 or earlier?  Reason for asking is that my hardisk 
is FAT32 and over 2Gb.  That means if I boot with DOS 6.22 or 
earlier, I can't copy the .fil files over to my Hard Drive since the 
OS won't see it.  

I guess I can always use another diskette (with copy a: b: command) 
before converting it to midi.  I sure don't want to overwrite my 
original diskettes.

Thanks again for this one.  It would have been a major disaster :-)



--- In disklavier@y..., "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...> wrote:
> The disk copy and convert programs only run in DOS.  Not a Window 
in DOS, 
> but real DOS. Reboot your computer using the DOS prompt. The 
diskettes you 
> need should be IBM formatted.  Then, your computer will see the 
files.  The 
> PianoSoft files will have the extension .fil.  Then convert them to 
MIDI 
> files.  If you use the same disk, the .fil files will be 
overwritten by the 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> .mid files.
> Just to give you a heads-up! :)
> 
> Carol Beigel
> 
>

Re: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-08 by Carol Beigel

I don't think you have a problem.  The DOS copy utility (DKcopy) makes an 
exact copy of your original PianoSoft disk with the exception of the first 
boot sector so your computer can see it.  The files on the copy (.fil) can 
be seen by your computer. The files on the original PianoSoft disk cannot be 
seen by your computer so you don't have to worry too much about overwriting 
the original. Use the write protect tab on the original before you even put 
it into your computer.

You can do the archiving in several ways.  You can make 2 copies of each 
diskette - one to save .fil files and the other to to convert to midi files. 
Once you have used the utility to make the first copy, the second copy can 
be made from the first one like any other disk you wish to copy using Disk 
Copy. Or just make a folder on your hard drive and copy the .fil files to 
it.  That way you can keep using the same diskette over and over.  Use 
subdirectories with the disk catalog number so you maintain exact copies of 
your original disks. Then burn the whole directory to a CD.  You are simply 
archiving a copy of all your songs in ESEQ format.

To make MIDI copies of the files you want to put in your play lists, copy 
the .fil files to a diskette, then run the convert program.  Each .fil file 
on this diskette then beomes a .mid file.  That is where my caution about 
overwriting files comes from!  Again, make a directory on your hard drive to 
store the midi files and copy them from the diskettes.

Just remember that as you create your own diskettes, not to mix file 
formats.  Put only .fil files on a disk, or just MIDI format 0 files on a 
disk, or MIDI format 1 files on a disk.  The Disklavier will only play files 
like the first one it sees on a disk.

I have a FAT32 formatted 40 gig hard drive, use Windows 98 and have no 
problems.  Just restart the computer in DOS mode and everything works great. 
  I bought a case of disks, made copies of the originals and put them away.  
I probably have a few thousand MIDI files I have collected from the Internet 
and I just store those on my hard drive, and of course, have burned a data 
CD to back them up!   You can't play MIDI files directly from a CD anyway in 
a Disklavier, so the CD is simply used to back up the data.

Carol Beigel


>From: "ubec2002" <ubec2002@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out
>Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 04:06:20 -0000
>
>Do I need DOS 6.22 or earlier?  Reason for asking is that my hardisk
>is FAT32 and over 2Gb.  That means if I boot with DOS 6.22 or
>earlier, I can't copy the .fil files over to my Hard Drive since the
>OS won't see it.
>
>I guess I can always use another diskette (with copy a: b: command)
>before converting it to midi.  I sure don't want to overwrite my
>original diskettes.
>
>Thanks again for this one.  It would have been a major disaster :-)
>
>
>
>--- In disklavier@y..., "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...> wrote:
> > The disk copy and convert programs only run in DOS.  Not a Window
>in DOS,
> > but real DOS. Reboot your computer using the DOS prompt. The
>diskettes you
> > need should be IBM formatted.  Then, your computer will see the
>files.  The
> > PianoSoft files will have the extension .fil.  Then convert them to
>MIDI
> > files.  If you use the same disk, the .fil files will be
>overwritten by the
> > .mid files.
> > Just to give you a heads-up! :)
> >
> > Carol Beigel
> >
> >
>
>




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Re: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-08 by Chine-Chine Wang

I know that all the documentations say you have to be in pure DOS to use
DKVCOPY, but I've been successfully running it in a DOS Prompt window
under Windows 98 (am to lazy to reboot just for a small task like
this).  It works perfectly and the resulted files are tested good too.

However this does NOT work in Windows XP - at least not straight out. 
(XP's compatibility mode doesn't sound too promising for this but may be
worth a shot just to know - when I have time.)

CCW

P.S. On a side note, the GNMIDI program (not part of the DKVUTILS
collection but also in the group's file vault) does run in WinXP but
requires compatibility mode to simulate Win95.



Carol Beigel wrote:
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> 
> The disk copy and convert programs only run in DOS.  Not a Window in DOS,
> but real DOS. Reboot your computer using the DOS prompt. The diskettes you
> need should be IBM formatted.  Then, your computer will see the files.  The
> PianoSoft files will have the extension .fil.  Then convert them to MIDI
> files.  If you use the same disk, the .fil files will be overwritten by the
> .mid files.
> Just to give you a heads-up! :)
> 
> Carol Beigel
> 
> >From: "ubec2002" <ubec2002@...>
> >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out
> >Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 02:08:28 -0000
> >
> >Thanks for all the suggestions.
> >
> >Yup... it's archeiving that I needed to do.  And I had to say it in
> >so many words.  I didn't know I could convert them to midi files.
> >The last time I tried to copy the diskettes, it wouldn't even read
> >them on my PC.
> >
> >Let me download that utility that Carol suggested...
> >
> >Again.... thanks for pointing me to the right direction
> >
> >
> >
> >\
> >--- In disklavier@y..., "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...> wrote:
> > > Depending on how big the song data is, the Disklavier you have will
> >hold 60
> > > songs in ESEQ format or 99 songs in SMF (MIDI) format on each
> >floppy disk or
> > > your 1MB memory disk.  Convert your PianoSoft songs to MIDI format
> >using
> ><SNIPPED>
> >
> 
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Re: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-08 by Jim Walski

Carol,

I have been trying to duplicate my pianosoft disk, however, do you need
Double Density Disks to make a copy or will it work with the HD floppy
disks.

I remember trying with HD disks and couldn't seem to get it to work. Maybe I
am doing something wrong.

Thanks, Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Beigel <carolrpt@...>
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 07, 2002 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out


>I don't think you have a problem.  The DOS copy utility (DKcopy) makes an
>exact copy of your original PianoSoft disk with the exception of the first
>boot sector so your computer can see it.  The files on the copy (.fil) can
>be seen by your computer. The files on the original PianoSoft disk cannot
be
>seen by your computer so you don't have to worry too much about overwriting
>the original. Use the write protect tab on the original before you even put
>it into your computer.
>
>You can do the archiving in several ways.  You can make 2 copies of each
>diskette - one to save .fil files and the other to to convert to midi
files.
>Once you have used the utility to make the first copy, the second copy can
>be made from the first one like any other disk you wish to copy using Disk
>Copy. Or just make a folder on your hard drive and copy the .fil files to
>it.  That way you can keep using the same diskette over and over.  Use
>subdirectories with the disk catalog number so you maintain exact copies of
>your original disks. Then burn the whole directory to a CD.  You are simply
>archiving a copy of all your songs in ESEQ format.
>
>To make MIDI copies of the files you want to put in your play lists, copy
>the .fil files to a diskette, then run the convert program.  Each .fil file
>on this diskette then beomes a .mid file.  That is where my caution about
>overwriting files comes from!  Again, make a directory on your hard drive
to
>store the midi files and copy them from the diskettes.
>
>Just remember that as you create your own diskettes, not to mix file
>formats.  Put only .fil files on a disk, or just MIDI format 0 files on a
>disk, or MIDI format 1 files on a disk.  The Disklavier will only play
files
>like the first one it sees on a disk.
>
>I have a FAT32 formatted 40 gig hard drive, use Windows 98 and have no
>problems.  Just restart the computer in DOS mode and everything works
great.
>  I bought a case of disks, made copies of the originals and put them away.
>I probably have a few thousand MIDI files I have collected from the
Internet
>and I just store those on my hard drive, and of course, have burned a data
>CD to back them up!   You can't play MIDI files directly from a CD anyway
in
Show quoted textHide quoted text
>a Disklavier, so the CD is simply used to back up the data.
>
>Carol Beigel
>
>
>>From: "ubec2002" <ubec2002@...>
>>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out
>>Date: Thu, 08 Aug 2002 04:06:20 -0000
>>
>>Do I need DOS 6.22 or earlier?  Reason for asking is that my hardisk
>>is FAT32 and over 2Gb.  That means if I boot with DOS 6.22 or
>>earlier, I can't copy the .fil files over to my Hard Drive since the
>>OS won't see it.
>>
>>I guess I can always use another diskette (with copy a: b: command)
>>before converting it to midi.  I sure don't want to overwrite my
>>original diskettes.
>>
>>Thanks again for this one.  It would have been a major disaster :-)
>>

Re: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-08 by Carol Beigel

I buy my double density disks, by the case, from www.shoplet.com for a very 
reasonable price.  They come unformatted or IBM formatted 720k.  When all is 
said and done, this is the easiest way to go.  Even with the hole taped 
over, 1.44 M disks do not have the same density magnetic material that the 
720k disks have.

Someone on this list keeps reusing the one 720k disk he has.  That is 
possible once you have copied the files to your hard drive.

Yamaha likes to keep its products backwardly compatible, so anything they 
put out needs to be in the double density format used by the older models.

Carol Beigel

>From: "Jim Walski" <jwalski3@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out
>Date: Thu, 8 Aug 2002 09:14:42 -0700
>
>Carol,
>
>I have been trying to duplicate my pianosoft disk, however, do you need
>Double Density Disks to make a copy or will it work with the HD floppy
>disks.
>
>I remember trying with HD disks and couldn't seem to get it to work. Maybe 
>I
>am doing something wrong.
>
>Thanks, Jim
>


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Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-10 by ubec2002

Thanks for all the help, guys and gals.  I've finally archived 
all my Pianosoft Diskettes into my Hard Drive.  

Now I face a new challenge.  I did this "little project" in the first 
place because I was running out of memory on my DKV controller.  What 
I'm trying to figure out this time is how to play a "playlist" from 
my computer to the Disklavier piano. Cakewalk seem to only play a 
song at a time.  Do I need another application?



--- In disklavier@y..., "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...> wrote:
> 
> I buy my double density disks, by the case, from www.shoplet.com 
for a very 
> reasonable price.  They come unformatted or IBM formatted 720k.  
When all is 
> said and done, this is the easiest way to go.  Even with the hole 
taped 
> over, 1.44 M disks do not have the same density magnetic material 
that the 
> 720k disks have.

Re: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-10 by Robert Welcyng

If your version of Cakewalk does not support playlists, you may wish to 
upgrade.  (Cakewalk Pro Audio 9 and earlier versions of it do support 
playlists.)  I cannot determine if PG Music's Power Tracks has 
playlists--it has a lot of features.  You could ask them at 
www.pgmusic.com or perhaps someone on the list can tell us.

ubec2002 wrote:

> Thanks for all the help, guys and gals.  I've finally archived 
> all my Pianosoft Diskettes into my Hard Drive.  
> 
> Now I face a new challenge.  I did this "little project" in the first 
> place because I was running out of memory on my DKV controller.  What 
> I'm trying to figure out this time is how to play a "playlist" from 
> my computer to the Disklavier piano. Cakewalk seem to only play a 
> song at a time.  Do I need another application?
> 
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@y..., "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...> wrote:
> 
>>I buy my double density disks, by the case, from www.shoplet.com 
>>
> for a very 
> 
>>reasonable price.  They come unformatted or IBM formatted 720k.  
>>
> When all is 
> 
>>said and done, this is the easiest way to go.  Even with the hole 
>>
> taped 
> 
>>over, 1.44 M disks do not have the same density magnetic material 
>>
> that the 
> 
>>720k disks have.
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@...
> 
> To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to:
> disklavier-owner@...
> 
> To reach our group's web site go to:
> http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> 
> Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
> 
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> 


-- 
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Anchorage, Alaska

Re: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-11 by Carol Beigel

There are several free "jukebox" programs on cnet. MidiPlayer217 is one I 
have used.

Carol Beigel


>From: "ubec2002" <ubec2002@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out
>Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:22:30 -0000
>
>Thanks for all the help, guys and gals.  I've finally archived
>all my Pianosoft Diskettes into my Hard Drive.
>
>Now I face a new challenge.  I did this "little project" in the first
>place because I was running out of memory on my DKV controller.  What
>I'm trying to figure out this time is how to play a "playlist" from
>my computer to the Disklavier piano. Cakewalk seem to only play a
>song at a time.  Do I need another application?
>
>
>
>--- In disklavier@y..., "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...> wrote:
> >
> > I buy my double density disks, by the case, from www.shoplet.com
>for a very
> > reasonable price.  They come unformatted or IBM formatted 720k.
>When all is
> > said and done, this is the easiest way to go.  Even with the hole
>taped
> > over, 1.44 M disks do not have the same density magnetic material
>that the
> > 720k disks have.
>
>




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Re: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-11 by Charlers F Muller Jr

Which Cakewalk product is the product of choice for Disklavier Users.  Does
Cakewalk Pyro 1.5 software satisfy the needs?

Re: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-11 by Charlers F Muller Jr

Answering my own question, the Cakewalk Pyro 1.5 is for recording CDs and
MP3 format, it has no MIDI capability, dumb question.
But, the first question is still valid.  Which of the Cakewalk Products is
the product of choice by DSK users.

Re: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-11 by Carol Beigel

Cakewalk Express 8.0 would work - costs $29.  Cakewalk Home Studio has more 
features - costs $129 - also includes demos for Pyro.  Download the demos 
and see which one works for you.

Carol Beigel


>From: "Charlers F Muller Jr" <cfmuller@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: USB to Midi In/Out
>Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2002 23:21:46 -0400
>
>Answering my own question, the Cakewalk Pyro 1.5 is for recording CDs and
>MP3 format, it has no MIDI capability, dumb question.
>But, the first question is still valid.  Which of the Cakewalk Products is
>the product of choice by DSK users.
>
>




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Re: USB to Midi In/Out

2002-08-12 by midi_magic2000

Hi

You could try Winamp. That has playlists.
Or vanBasco's Karaoke Player this one has a keyboard to watch while 
it plays.  Of coure these will not play Eseq .fil files.
I am still looking for a player that will. That way it would save me 
having to convert over 200 disks.

Midi Magic


--- In disklavier@y..., "ubec2002" <ubec2002@y...> wrote:
> Thanks for all the help, guys and gals.  I've finally archived 
> all my Pianosoft Diskettes into my Hard Drive.  
> 
> Now I face a new challenge.  I did this "little project" in the 
first 
> place because I was running out of memory on my DKV controller.  
What 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> I'm trying to figure out this time is how to play a "playlist" from 
> my computer to the Disklavier piano. Cakewalk seem to only play a 
> song at a time.  Do I need another application?
> 
> 
> 
> --- In disklavier@y..., "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...> wrote:
> > 
> > I buy my double density disks, by the case, from www.shoplet.com 
> for a very 
> > reasonable price.  They come unformatted or IBM formatted 720k.  
> When all is 
> > said and done, this is the easiest way to go.  Even with the hole 
> taped 
> > over, 1.44 M disks do not have the same density magnetic material 
> that the 
> > 720k disks have.

Move to quarantaine

This moves the raw source file on disk only. The archive index is not changed automatically, so you still need to run a manual refresh afterward.