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2002-08-13 by HedoShedo
hello..i recently bought a disklavier..love it,it's a 1999 mkII xg...Bought music creator 2002,works ok,but i need to see if someone knows how to edit velocity,so i can make music a little softer. i can't seem to "save as" once I change the VEL...when I do,it's lost,and starts the same, won't save the changes..help???
2002-08-14 by Robert Welcyng
From this group's archives, download the dkvutils. Make a second copy of your MIDI file and open it in Veloset. Scale and shift the velocity distribution to your heart's content and save the file. Good luck. HedoShedo wrote: > hello..i recently bought a disklavier..love it,it's a 1999 mkII > xg...Bought music creator 2002,works ok,but i need to see if someone > knows how to edit velocity,so i can make music a little softer. i > can't seem to "save as" once I change the VEL...when I do,it's > lost,and starts the same, won't save the changes..help??? > > > > To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@... > > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to: > disklavier-owner@... > > To reach our group's web site go to: > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier > > Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is: > http://MuncyFamily.com > > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to: > disklavier-unsubscribe@... > > Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: > disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link: > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- Robert Welcyng Anchorage, Alaska
2002-08-14 by HedoShedo
-thanks Robert..i did just that...works good..looks like most songs downloaded from the internet are set at 127 or 109..what do you suggest as a maximum? I used 60 -max...i want to have the piano play,yet have conversations near it.. - In disklavier@y..., Robert Welcyng <rwelcyng@a...> wrote: > From this group's archives, download the dkvutils. Make a second copy > of your MIDI file and open it in Veloset. Scale and shift the velocity > distribution to your heart's content and save the file. > > Good luck. > > HedoShedo wrote: > > > hello..i recently bought a disklavier..love it,it's a 1999 mkII > > xg...Bought music creator 2002,works ok,but i need to see if someone > > knows how to edit velocity,so i can make music a little softer. i > > can't seem to "save as" once I change the VEL...when I do,it's > > lost,and starts the same, won't save the changes..help??? > > > > > > > > To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@Y... > > > > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to: > > disklavier-owner@Y... > > > > To reach our group's web site go to: > > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier > > > > Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is: > > http://MuncyFamily.com > > > > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? > > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to: > > disklavier-unsubscribe@y... > > > > Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: > > disklavier-subscribe@e... or give them this link: > > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join > > > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > > > > > > > > > -- > Robert Welcyng > Anchorage, Alaska
2002-08-14 by PianoBench@aol.com
Good morning, everyone. In a message dated 8/13/02 9:36:25 PM, hedoshedo@... writes: << -thanks Robert..i did just that...works good..looks like most songs downloaded from the internet are set at 127 or 109..what do you suggest as a maximum? I used 60 -max...i want to have the piano play,yet have conversations near it.. >> I am not familiar with Music Creator. However, I can give you a little background info that may help you as you set parameters in that program or in any other program. There are two MIDI parameters to consider: (1) the note-on velocities and (2) the volume setting (controller 7) for the piano track(s). You can do an experiment for yourself to determine the desired range of note-on velocities: Record a little music on your Disklavier at the desired volume level, and then open the recorded MIDI file in a sequencer on your computer and look at the range of resulting note-on velocities. That should provide you with guidelines for editing your MIDI files. FYI: In the loudest classical music, note-on velocities rarely exceed 95-100 and top out in the range of 105-110. Less loud music tops out considerably lower. As for the controller 7 setting: Early Disklaviers ignored the controller 7 parameter. Starting with the Mark IIXG, Disklaviers now respond to that parameter. The native setting for the piano part is controller 7=100. Many internet MIDI files that were authored on instruments with weak piano sounds often boost controller 7 much higher, even to the maximum of 127. I suggest that you set controller 7 to 100 for all of your piano parts and then adjust the note-on velocities to suit your needs. If you ignore the controller 7 paramenter, you will get different results with each MIDI file even if you adjust the note-one velocities in the same way for each file. Regards, PianoBench
2002-08-14 by Robert Welcyng
If a midi song is intended to have full dynamic range--that is, both very loud parts and soft parts--I generally limit the high velocity notes to 95 and the low velocity notes to 22. If it is a softer song, I might bring the high velocity end down lower than 95. With a DC3 Mark II, and with the DKV volume set to zero, the sound power in dB has a nice linear slope from velocity 95 down to 22. There is a knee in the curve at 22. Below 22 all velocities produce roughly the same sound level (and do not always strike reliably). I think it's a good idea to have no notes below velocity 22. If I find a file with a few scattered notes below 22, I set them all to 22, then scale the remaining notes appropriately. With Veloset, you can shift all notes upward so that the lowest is 22, but you cannot set all in the range of 1 to 22 to 22. Cakewalk Pro Audio 9, however, is capable of setting a range of velocities to a specified velocity. If you want to have conversations, you can scale down well below 95. Amazingly, you can still recognize PianoSoft music reduced to the range of 22 to 35. (You'll notice that the DKV volume control no longer has much effect.) To my ear, scaled-down music loses its sizzle. But then, if the conversation is more interesting, who cares? HedoShedo wrote: > -thanks Robert..i did just that...works good..looks like most songs > downloaded from the internet are set at 127 or 109..what do you > suggest as a maximum? I used 60 -max...i want to have the piano > play,yet have conversations near it.. > > > > > - In disklavier@y..., Robert Welcyng <rwelcyng@a...> wrote: > >> From this group's archives, download the dkvutils. Make a second >> > copy > >>of your MIDI file and open it in Veloset. Scale and shift the >> > velocity > >>distribution to your heart's content and save the file. >> >>Good luck. >> >>HedoShedo wrote: >> >> >>>hello..i recently bought a disklavier..love it,it's a 1999 mkII >>>xg...Bought music creator 2002,works ok,but i need to see if >>> > someone > >>>knows how to edit velocity,so i can make music a little softer. i >>>can't seem to "save as" once I change the VEL...when I do,it's >>>lost,and starts the same, won't save the changes..help??? >>> >>> >>> >>>To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@Y... >>> >>>To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and >>> > moderator, send it to: > >>>disklavier-owner@Y... >>> >>>To reach our group's web site go to: >>>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier >>> >>>Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and >>> > contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among > other things, The url is: > >>>http://MuncyFamily.com >>> >>>THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? >>>If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too >>> > much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option > instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to > the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email > to: > >>>disklavier-unsubscribe@y... >>> >>>Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: >>>disklavier-subscribe@e... or give them this link: >>>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join >>> >>> >>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >>> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >>> >>> >>> >> >>-- >>Robert Welcyng >>Anchorage, Alaska >> > > > > To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@... > > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to: > disklavier-owner@... > > To reach our group's web site go to: > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier > > Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is: > http://MuncyFamily.com > > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to: > disklavier-unsubscribe@... > > Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: > disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link: > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -- Robert Welcyng Anchorage, Alaska
2002-08-14 by Robert Welcyng
One other catch I forgot to mention . . . If you are messing around quieting PianoSoft Plus files, you should probably not use Veloset. Veloset scales all tracks in the files. Cakewalk Pro Audio makes a better tool in allowing you to scale only the piano tracks. You will want to use your independent volume control for adjusting tone generator sounds. The advice of PianoBench is well taken: For files that you have downloaded, make sure controller 7 is set to 100 (unless you have a Mark II only . . . without XG). Robert Welcyng wrote: > If a midi song is intended to have full dynamic range--that is, both > very loud parts and soft parts--I generally limit the high velocity > notes to 95 and the low velocity notes to 22. If it is a softer song, I > might bring the high velocity end down lower than 95. > > With a DC3 Mark II, and with the DKV volume set to zero, the sound power > in dB has a nice linear slope from velocity 95 down to 22. There is a > knee in the curve at 22. Below 22 all velocities produce roughly the > same sound level (and do not always strike reliably). I think it's a > good idea to have no notes below velocity 22. If I find a file with a > few scattered notes below 22, I set them all to 22, then scale the > remaining notes appropriately. With Veloset, you can shift all notes > upward so that the lowest is 22, but you cannot set all in the range of > 1 to 22 to 22. Cakewalk Pro Audio 9, however, is capable of setting a > range of velocities to a specified velocity. > > If you want to have conversations, you can scale down well below 95. > Amazingly, you can still recognize PianoSoft music reduced to the range > of 22 to 35. (You'll notice that the DKV volume control no longer has > much effect.) To my ear, scaled-down music loses its sizzle. But then, > if the conversation is more interesting, who cares? > > HedoShedo wrote: > > >>-thanks Robert..i did just that...works good..looks like most songs >>downloaded from the internet are set at 127 or 109..what do you >>suggest as a maximum? I used 60 -max...i want to have the piano >>play,yet have conversations near it.. >> >> >> >> >>- In disklavier@y..., Robert Welcyng <rwelcyng@a...> wrote: >> >> >>>From this group's archives, download the dkvutils. Make a second >>> >>> >>copy >> >> >>>of your MIDI file and open it in Veloset. Scale and shift the >>> >>> >>velocity >> >> >>>distribution to your heart's content and save the file. >>> >>>Good luck. >>> >>>HedoShedo wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>hello..i recently bought a disklavier..love it,it's a 1999 mkII >>>>xg...Bought music creator 2002,works ok,but i need to see if >>>> >>>> >>someone >> >> >>>>knows how to edit velocity,so i can make music a little softer. i >>>>can't seem to "save as" once I change the VEL...when I do,it's >>>>lost,and starts the same, won't save the changes..help??? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@Y... >>>> >>>>To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and >>>> >>>> >>moderator, send it to: >> >> >>>>disklavier-owner@Y... >>>> >>>>To reach our group's web site go to: >>>>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier >>>> >>>>Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and >>>> >>>> >>contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among >>other things, The url is: >> >> >>>>http://MuncyFamily.com >>>> >>>>THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? >>>>If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too >>>> >>>> >>much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option >>instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to >>the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email >>to: >> >> >>>>disklavier-unsubscribe@y... >>>> >>>>Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: >>>>disklavier-subscribe@e... or give them this link: >>>>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join >>>> >>>> >>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >>>> >>>> >>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >>>> >>>> >>>-- >>>Robert Welcyng >>>Anchorage, Alaska >>> >>> >> >> >>To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@... >> >>To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to: >>disklavier-owner@... >> >>To reach our group's web site go to: >>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier >> >>Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is: >>http://MuncyFamily.com >> >>THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? >>If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to: >>disklavier-unsubscribe@... >> >>Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: >>disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this link: >>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join >> >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Robert Welcyng Anchorage, Alaska
2002-08-15 by HedoShedo
Ok...i'm lost here..what and where is controller 7??? Also all my files are from internet sources,that i edit with cake wall music creator 2002...i used the veloset with some sucess,but still need more work on the files - In disklavier@y..., Robert Welcyng <rwelcyng@a...> wrote: > One other catch I forgot to mention . . . If you are messing around > quieting PianoSoft Plus files, you should probably not use Veloset. > Veloset scales all tracks in the files. Cakewalk Pro Audio makes a > better tool in allowing you to scale only the piano tracks. You will > want to use your independent volume control for adjusting tone generator > sounds. > > The advice of PianoBench is well taken: For files that you have > downloaded, make sure controller 7 is set to 100 (unless you have a Mark > II only . . . without XG). > > Robert Welcyng wrote: > > > If a midi song is intended to have full dynamic range--that is, both > > very loud parts and soft parts--I generally limit the high velocity > > notes to 95 and the low velocity notes to 22. If it is a softer song, I > > might bring the high velocity end down lower than 95. > > > > With a DC3 Mark II, and with the DKV volume set to zero, the sound power > > in dB has a nice linear slope from velocity 95 down to 22. There is a > > knee in the curve at 22. Below 22 all velocities produce roughly the > > same sound level (and do not always strike reliably). I think it's a > > good idea to have no notes below velocity 22. If I find a file with a > > few scattered notes below 22, I set them all to 22, then scale the > > remaining notes appropriately. With Veloset, you can shift all notes > > upward so that the lowest is 22, but you cannot set all in the range of > > 1 to 22 to 22. Cakewalk Pro Audio 9, however, is capable of setting a > > range of velocities to a specified velocity. > > > > If you want to have conversations, you can scale down well below 95. > > Amazingly, you can still recognize PianoSoft music reduced to the range > > of 22 to 35. (You'll notice that the DKV volume control no longer has > > much effect.) To my ear, scaled-down music loses its sizzle. But then, > > if the conversation is more interesting, who cares? > > > > HedoShedo wrote: > > > > > >>-thanks Robert..i did just that...works good..looks like most songs > >>downloaded from the internet are set at 127 or 109..what do you > >>suggest as a maximum? I used 60 -max...i want to have the piano > >>play,yet have conversations near it.. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>- In disklavier@y..., Robert Welcyng <rwelcyng@a...> wrote: > >> > >> > >>>From this group's archives, download the dkvutils. Make a second > >>> > >>> > >>copy > >> > >> > >>>of your MIDI file and open it in Veloset. Scale and shift the > >>> > >>> > >>velocity > >> > >> > >>>distribution to your heart's content and save the file. > >>> > >>>Good luck. > >>> > >>>HedoShedo wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>hello..i recently bought a disklavier..love it,it's a 1999 mkII > >>>>xg...Bought music creator 2002,works ok,but i need to see if > >>>> > >>>> > >>someone > >> > >> > >>>>knows how to edit velocity,so i can make music a little softer. i > >>>>can't seem to "save as" once I change the VEL...when I do,it's > >>>>lost,and starts the same, won't save the changes..help??? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@Y... > >>>> > >>>>To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and > >>>> > >>>> > >>moderator, send it to: > >> > >> > >>>>disklavier-owner@Y... > >>>> > >>>>To reach our group's web site go to: > >>>>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier > >>>> > >>>>Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and > >>>> > >>>> > >>contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among > >>other things, The url is: > >> > >> > >>>>http://MuncyFamily.com > >>>> > >>>>THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? > >>>>If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too > >>>> > >>>> > >>much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option > >>instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to > >>the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email > >>to: > >> > >> > >>>>disklavier-unsubscribe@y... > >>>> > >>>>Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: > >>>>disklavier-subscribe@e... or give them this link: > >>>>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join > >>>> > >>>> > >>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > >>>> > >>>> > >>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > >> > >> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>-- > >>>Robert Welcyng > >>>Anchorage, Alaska > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@Y... > >> > >>To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to: > >>disklavier-owner@Y... > >> > >>To reach our group's web site go to: > >>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier > >> > >>Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is: > >>http://MuncyFamily.com > >> > >>THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? > >>If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to: > >>disklavier-unsubscribe@y... > >> > >>Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email to: > >>disklavier-subscribe@e... or give them this link: > >>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join > >> > >> > >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > -- > Robert Welcyng > Anchorage, Alaska
2002-08-15 by PianoBench@aol.com
Good evening, everyone. In a message dated 8/14/02 7:28:31 PM, hedoshedo@... writes: << Ok...i'm lost here..what and where is controller 7??? Also all my files are from internet sources,that i edit with cake wall music creator 2002...i used the veloset with some sucess,but still need more work on the files >> A MIDI controller event is typically a message that gets added to a MIDI file as a result of doing something on your keyboard other than playing the keys. For example, if you make a recording and press the sustain pedal, you are adding a controller message to the MIDI file. Some keyboards have an input for an organ style swell pedal (called a volume pedal). When you depress the pedal, you increase the volume of sound that you are playing (much like turning up the volume knob on your amplifier). If you get a MIDI sequencing program that lets you look at the MIDI file as a list of MIDI events, you will probably notice a number of controller messages. Common controllers include #64 (sustain pedal), #67 (soft pedal), and #7 (volume). These controllers have a range of values from 0 (fully off) to 127 (fully on). People who create MIDI files often use controller 7 as a way to balance the various tracks. For example, if you have sequenced a piece with multiple tracks and decide that the flute track is too soft, you could increase the velocities of each note of the flute part. However, that would also change the timbre of the sound. As an alternative, you could increase the controller 7 value for the flute track. In doing the latter, you would be doing the equivalent of changing the fader settings on a mixer. Regards, PianoBench
2002-08-15 by Robert Welcyng
In Cakewalk Pro Audio 9, there is a column "Vol" where one may set the volume for each track. HedoShedo wrote: > Ok...i'm lost here..what and where is controller 7??? Also all my > files are from internet sources,that i edit with cake wall music > creator 2002...i used the veloset with some sucess,but still need > more work on the files > > > > > - In disklavier@y..., Robert Welcyng <rwelcyng@a...> wrote: > >>One other catch I forgot to mention . . . If you are messing around >>quieting PianoSoft Plus files, you should probably not use Veloset. >>Veloset scales all tracks in the files. Cakewalk Pro Audio makes a >>better tool in allowing you to scale only the piano tracks. You >> > will > >>want to use your independent volume control for adjusting tone >> > generator > >>sounds. >> >>The advice of PianoBench is well taken: For files that you have >>downloaded, make sure controller 7 is set to 100 (unless you have a >> > Mark > >>II only . . . without XG). >> >>Robert Welcyng wrote: >> >> >>>If a midi song is intended to have full dynamic range--that is, >>> > both > >>>very loud parts and soft parts--I generally limit the high >>> > velocity > >>>notes to 95 and the low velocity notes to 22. If it is a softer >>> > song, I > >>>might bring the high velocity end down lower than 95. >>> >>>With a DC3 Mark II, and with the DKV volume set to zero, the >>> > sound power > >>>in dB has a nice linear slope from velocity 95 down to 22. There >>> > is a > >>>knee in the curve at 22. Below 22 all velocities produce roughly >>> > the > >>>same sound level (and do not always strike reliably). I think >>> > it's a > >>>good idea to have no notes below velocity 22. If I find a file >>> > with a > >>>few scattered notes below 22, I set them all to 22, then scale >>> > the > >>>remaining notes appropriately. With Veloset, you can shift all >>> > notes > >>>upward so that the lowest is 22, but you cannot set all in the >>> > range of > >>>1 to 22 to 22. Cakewalk Pro Audio 9, however, is capable of >>> > setting a > >>>range of velocities to a specified velocity. >>> >>>If you want to have conversations, you can scale down well below >>> > 95. > >>>Amazingly, you can still recognize PianoSoft music reduced to the >>> > range > >>>of 22 to 35. (You'll notice that the DKV volume control no >>> > longer has > >>>much effect.) To my ear, scaled-down music loses its sizzle. But >>> > then, > >>>if the conversation is more interesting, who cares? >>> >>>HedoShedo wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>>>-thanks Robert..i did just that...works good..looks like most >>>> > songs > >>>>downloaded from the internet are set at 127 or 109..what do you >>>>suggest as a maximum? I used 60 -max...i want to have the piano >>>>play,yet have conversations near it.. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>- In disklavier@y..., Robert Welcyng <rwelcyng@a...> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>From this group's archives, download the dkvutils. Make a >>>> > second > >>>>> >>>>copy >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>of your MIDI file and open it in Veloset. Scale and shift the >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>velocity >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>distribution to your heart's content and save the file. >>>>> >>>>>Good luck. >>>>> >>>>>HedoShedo wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>hello..i recently bought a disklavier..love it,it's a 1999 mkII >>>>>>xg...Bought music creator 2002,works ok,but i need to see if >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>someone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>knows how to edit velocity,so i can make music a little softer. >>>>>> > i > >>>>>>can't seem to "save as" once I change the VEL...when I do,it's >>>>>>lost,and starts the same, won't save the changes..help??? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@Y... >>>>>> >>>>>>To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder >>>>>> > and > >>>>>> >>>>moderator, send it to: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>disklavier-owner@Y... >>>>>> >>>>>>To reach our group's web site go to: >>>>>>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier >>>>>> >>>>>>Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 >>>>>> > and > >>>>>> >>>>contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites >>>> > among > >>>>other things, The url is: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>http://MuncyFamily.com >>>>>> >>>>>>THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? >>>>>>If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery >>>> > option > >>>>instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your >>>> > access to > >>>>the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank >>>> > email > >>>>to: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>disklavier-unsubscribe@y... >>>>>> >>>>>>Know someone who wants to join? Have them send a blank email >>>>>> > to: > >>>>>>disklavier-subscribe@e... or give them this link: >>>>>>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>Robert Welcyng >>>>>Anchorage, Alaska >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@Y... >>>> >>>>To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and >>>> > moderator, send it to: > >>>>disklavier-owner@Y... >>>> >>>>To reach our group's web site go to: >>>>http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier >>>> >>>>Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and >>>> > contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among > other things, The url is: > >>>>http://MuncyFamily.com >>>> >>>>THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? >>>>If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too >>>> > much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option > instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to > the group. 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2002-08-15 by Carol Beigel
Good evening PianoBench! I was hoping you might clarify and explain in further detail your marvelous reply Re: music creator 2002. I just want to be sure I understand the concept. First, what is the "note-on" velocity? I am assuming that this is the value (voltage) that moved the key that caused the hammer to hit the string and created a specific "loudness". Since my piano also has hammer sensors, is this an algorythm? Is this value calculated any differently for pianos without hammer sensors? If you record your piano playing at the loudness you want to hear, and take the file into Veloset, you will see the range of velocities. I am assuming that this "loudness quotient" will be different for various models of pianos because some pianos are louder/quieter than others. I also notice when adjusting the ppp value in Maintenance Mode that the velocity never goes below 20, so I take it Robert's advice of not going below 22 comes from this value. The ppp velocity value is the lowest amount of power it takes to make the note play. Is this where the Piano Tables conditions comes from? How would you be able to look at this table? However, it is the higher value of this "note-on" velocity that causes us DKV owners so much trouble with the volume. The DKV default is 100 (on a scale from 0-127) and that is just too loud for most of us sitting near the piano. What is "controller 7" and how do you play with it? Is this the listed velocity for any note in the Event window of a sequencer program? Is "velocity scaling" how this is done globally to an entire file? Could you explain exactly how this is done using a common sequencer? Perhaps ProAudo Tracks, or Cakewalk Home studio, or Yamaha XG Works 3.0? I know this is more that opening the Tracks window and changing the number from 100 to 60 in the Velocity column. There are global editing programs like Veloset and the Giebler utility, but are not the XG sounds also turned down as well as the piano tracks? If that happens to the point where you can't hear the XG sounds (like perhaps at a setting of 30) can the volume on the speakers be turned up to compensate for that? Also, would you comment about default settings inherently built into the DKV and PianoSoft disks? I understand that PianoSoft floppies played through the control box on a DKV are far more subject to default values than the same files played through a MIDI interface. Does this mean that "edited" files placed on a floppy won't play the same through the contol box as through a MIDi interface? I reread the Reference Manual for the MarkIIXG and discovered the page about editing the volume of the piano track with the controller. But I am told that as soon as the next song is played, the DKV reverts back to the defaults and you have to set them all over again! Gonna try it now! I must say, though, that "one size fits all" does not hold true for all models of Disklaviers when it comes to volume control and the perception of loudness. Thanks for your help. Carol Beigel >From: PianoBench@... >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: music creator 2002 >Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 09:51:17 EDT > >Good morning, everyone. > >In a message dated 8/13/02 9:36:25 PM, hedoshedo@... writes: > ><< -thanks Robert..i did just that...works good..looks like most songs >downloaded from the internet are set at 127 or 109..what do you >suggest as a maximum? I used 60 -max...i want to have the piano >play,yet have conversations near it.. >> > >I am not familiar with Music Creator. However, I can give you a little >background info that may help you as you set parameters in that program or >in >any other program. > >There are two MIDI parameters to consider: > >(1) the note-on velocities and > >(2) the volume setting (controller 7) for the piano track(s). > >You can do an experiment for yourself to determine the desired range of >note-on velocities: Record a little music on your Disklavier at the desired >volume level, and then open the recorded MIDI file in a sequencer on your >computer and look at the range of resulting note-on velocities. That should >provide you with guidelines for editing your MIDI files. > >FYI: In the loudest classical music, note-on velocities rarely exceed >95-100 >and top out in the range of 105-110. Less loud music tops out considerably >lower. > >As for the controller 7 setting: Early Disklaviers ignored the controller 7 >parameter. Starting with the Mark IIXG, Disklaviers now respond to that >parameter. The native setting for the piano part is controller 7=100. Many >internet MIDI files that were authored on instruments with weak piano >sounds >often boost controller 7 much higher, even to the maximum of 127. > >I suggest that you set controller 7 to 100 for all of your piano parts and >then adjust the note-on velocities to suit your needs. If you ignore the >controller 7 paramenter, you will get different results with each MIDI file >even if you adjust the note-one velocities in the same way for each file. > >Regards, >PianoBench _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com