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2002-10-23 by khanba
I have just purchased a used DC3 with a Mark II Disklavier system. I was trying to read the files on a disklavier floppy on my PC computer. I am told the disk is not formated (not true). I am questioning if the Disklavier Mark II uses Mac file format? Is there a way to read PC formated disks on the Disklavier? Ken
2002-10-23 by Carol Beigel
The Disklavier floppy disk can be formatted in two ways. Yamaha's proprietary format, ESEQ, does something to the first sector on the disk so that your PC cannot see it. If you have a MarkIIXG system, the floppy can also be formatted in a standard MIDI format, SMF format 0. The ESEQ format allows for about 50 songs, and the MIDI format would allow for about 99 songs - depending on how large the files. In the files of this web site is a utility program called dkvutils. It allows you to make a copy of a PianoSoft disk that your PC can see. The songs will have the .fil extension. Unless your have MarkIIXG or newer, your Disklavier MUST use the old style 720k double density floppies. There is a huge difference between the MarkII and the MarkIIXG Disklavier systems. The Mark II can only use 720k floppy disks, will record only in ESEQ format, but will also playback SMF format 0 MIDI files. If you download SMF format 1 files from the internet, you would have to convert them to format 0 or ESEQ to play them on a Mark II. You would also need an add-on tone generator to play ensemble sounds. The MarkIIXG has a control box model DKC500RXG. It records in both ESEQ and SMF mode and can use high density 1.44 M disks formatted in either the Disklavier or the PC. It plays ESEQ and SMF formats 0 and 1 and also has a built-in tone generator - hence the XG sounds. If you have a MarkII, you can always purchase a DSR-1 control box that will upgrade the system to a MarkIIXG. Carol Beigel crbrpt@... >From: "khanba" <hanbak@...> >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [disklavier] Disk Format for Disklavier >Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:05:49 -0000 > >I have just purchased a used DC3 with a Mark II Disklavier system. >I was trying to read the files on a disklavier floppy on my PC >computer. I am told the disk is not formated (not true). I am >questioning if the Disklavier Mark II uses Mac file format? Is there >a way to read PC formated disks on the Disklavier? > >Ken > _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
2002-10-24 by Jimmy
----- Original Message -----From: Carol BeigelSent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:08 PMSubject: Re: [disklavier] Disk Format for DisklavierThe Disklavier floppy disk can be formatted in two ways. Yamaha's
proprietary format, ESEQ, does something to the first sector on the disk so
that your PC cannot see it. If you have a MarkIIXG system, the floppy can
also be formatted in a standard MIDI format, SMF format 0. The ESEQ format
allows for about 50 songs, and the MIDI format would allow for about 99
songs - depending on how large the files.
In the files of this web site is a utility program called dkvutils. It
allows you to make a copy of a PianoSoft disk that your PC can see. The
songs will have the .fil extension. Unless your have MarkIIXG or newer,
your Disklavier MUST use the old style 720k double density floppies.
There is a huge difference between the MarkII and the MarkIIXG Disklavier
systems. The Mark II can only use 720k floppy disks, will record only in
ESEQ format, but will also playback SMF format 0 MIDI files. If you
download SMF format 1 files from the internet, you would have to convert
them to format 0 or ESEQ to play them on a Mark II. You would also need an
add-on tone generator to play ensemble sounds. The MarkIIXG has a control
box model DKC500RXG. It records in both ESEQ and SMF mode and can use high
density 1.44 M disks formatted in either the Disklavier or the PC. It plays
ESEQ and SMF formats 0 and 1 and also has a built-in tone generator - hence
the XG sounds.
If you have a MarkII, you can always purchase a DSR-1 control box that will
upgrade the system to a MarkIIXG.
Carol Beigel
crbrpt@...
>From: "khanba"
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [disklavier] Disk Format for Disklavier
>Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:05:49 -0000
>
>I have just purchased a used DC3 with a Mark II Disklavier system.
>I was trying to read the files on a disklavier floppy on my PC
>computer. I am told the disk is not formated (not true). I am
>questioning if the Disklavier Mark II uses Mac file format? Is there
>a way to read PC formated disks on the Disklavier?
>
>Ken
>
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2002-10-24 by Carol Beigel
I never got the Giebler to format the 1.44 M diskette and I have the latest version (I think!). That's when I started buying the 720k disks by the case. The display of song numbers on the control box only goes to 99, so I wouldn't bother putting more than 99 midi files on a disk. Giebler's file format is identical to the ESEQ format and will play on the older Disklaviers. I did not mention the Giebler utility (cost $59 from www.giebler.com) because the dkvutils are free. The nice thing about all these utility programs is that they let you put just the songs you want on a floppy, or to make back up copies of your original disks. Carol Beigel crbrpt@... >From: Jimmy <JimmyM@...> >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disk Format for Disklavier >Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:44:33 -0400 > >Carol, > >THe ESEQ system allowed 60 files on a disk, after this, although you can >put more on the disk they are not seen by the Disklavier. Giebler format >system used a different extension (YFD). I'M not sure but it must be >equivalent to the ESEQ since the software format the diskette before end, a >720 or 1.44 can be formated and are not limited to maximun number. The >limit is the media (disklavier Mark system) up to 99. > >Jimmy > > _________________________________________________________________ Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free!\ufffd Try MSN. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp
2002-10-24 by Jimmy
I'M surprised that you are not able to format 1.44 with Giebler it does work on mine software which is 2 yrs old already. 2D disquette are getting harder and harder to find and cost twice as much. I still have a few spare for friends. Yes dvk util works great and not to neglect free. But what software to you use to re-sequence your midi song, since dvkutil does move track and since all piano partition need to put on channel 1 or 2 I have been problem with that. Giebler let your re-map the channel. Tell me mopre about your way of doing things. I'm sure I can learn a lot. Jimmy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@...> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disk Format for Disklavier > I never got the Giebler to format the 1.44 M diskette and I have the latest > version (I think!). That's when I started buying the 720k disks by the > case. The display of song numbers on the control box only goes to 99, so I > wouldn't bother putting more than 99 midi files on a disk. > > Giebler's file format is identical to the ESEQ format and will play on the > older Disklaviers. I did not mention the Giebler utility (cost $59 from > www.giebler.com) because the dkvutils are free. > > The nice thing about all these utility programs is that they let you put > just the songs you want on a floppy, or to make back up copies of your > original disks. > > Carol Beigel > crbrpt@... > > >From: Jimmy <JimmyM@...> > >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com > >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disk Format for Disklavier > >Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 20:44:33 -0400 > > > >Carol, > > > >THe ESEQ system allowed 60 files on a disk, after this, although you can > >put more on the disk they are not seen by the Disklavier. Giebler format > >system used a different extension (YFD). I'M not sure but it must be > >equivalent to the ESEQ since the software format the diskette before end, a > >720 or 1.44 can be formated and are not limited to maximun number. The > >limit is the media (disklavier Mark system) up to 99. > > > >Jimmy > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Unlimited Internet access -- and 2 months free! Try MSN. > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/2monthsfree.asp > > > > To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@... > > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and moderator, send it to: > disklavier-owner@... > > To reach our group's web site go to: > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier > > Todd's family web site was completely rewritten in June 2001 and contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among other things, The url is: > http://MuncyFamily.com > > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP? > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option instead. That will fix the problem, while maintaining your access to the group. If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank email to:
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2002-10-24 by Carol Beigel
I buy double density disks for $4.55 for a box of 11 from www.shoplet.com The unformatted 720k disks are #UNV00320 and the IBM formatted 720k disks are #UNV00340. Remember, those double density disks have fewer magnetic particles on them and were read by bigger heads than the current 1.44 M disks. Even if you tape over the extra hole on the high density disks, they do not always work the same. I never had a problem with the dkvutil remapping the MIDI channels. I thought only the pedal data and percussion was affected. I have used the Giebler and dkvutils to make back up copies of the original PianoSoft disks, and to make disks with just the songs I like. I have also used the ESEQ to MIDI convert program to be able to take a MIDI file into a sequence program to print out the sheet music. Mostly, I use sequencer software to edit the velocity of the songs so the piano plays softer. I like Yamaha XG Works 3.0 (cost $95) to do this because it has the velocity graphs on the player roll window. The other full-featured sequencer that looks promising is JAZZ++ available for free at www.jazzware.com ProAudioTracks 7 available from www.pgmusic.com for $29 is all right for the price, but has no player roll or velocity windows. It only prints sheet music in limited key signatures. Cakewalk Express is also limited in that global editing is harder. You have to separate the piano part onto a different track from the ensemble parts to edit velocity. Then make sure the piano tracks are put on Channels 1 and 2. Also, there are 2 very nice shareware programs out there that do a nice job of editing; Gunter Naegler's gnmidi (also in the files on this website) and Richard Stibbons MIDI Modifier program on Spencer's E Rolls website. I am certainly no expert where these software issues are concerned. I have been searching for solutions that work for ALL disklaviers, and so far ESEQ format and genuine 720k disks have been the only things that work universally. Carol Beigel crbrpt@... >From: Jimmy <JimmyM@...> >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disk Format for Disklavier >Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:23:56 -0400 > >I'M surprised that you are not able to format 1.44 with Giebler it does >work >on mine software which is 2 yrs old already. 2D disquette are getting >harder and harder to find and cost twice as much. I still have a few >spare >for friends. > >Yes dvk util works great and not to neglect free. But what software to you >use to re-sequence your midi song, since dvkutil does move track and since >all piano partition need to put on channel 1 or 2 I have been problem with >that. >Giebler let your re-map the channel. Tell me mopre about your way of doing >things. I'm sure I can learn a lot. > >Jimmy _________________________________________________________________ Surf the Web without missing calls!\ufffdGet MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
2002-10-24 by midi_magic2000
Hi Carol The Pianosoft disks have a blank Boot Sector. I used to use Norton Utils (a bit editor) in DOS to copy a good Boot Sector to the Pianosoft disk. That way the PC could read it. I also had a friend write a program for the Atari PC which did the same as DKVutils. Midi Magic --- In disklavier@y..., "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...> wrote: > The Disklavier floppy disk can be formatted in two ways. Yamaha's > proprietary format, ESEQ, does something to the first sector on the disk so > that your PC cannot see it. If you have a MarkIIXG system, the floppy can > also be formatted in a standard MIDI format, SMF format 0. The ESEQ format > allows for about 50 songs, and the MIDI format would allow for about 99 > songs - depending on how large the files. > > In the files of this web site is a utility program called dkvutils. It > allows you to make a copy of a PianoSoft disk that your PC can see. The > songs will have the .fil extension. Unless your have MarkIIXG or newer, > your Disklavier MUST use the old style 720k double density floppies. > > There is a huge difference between the MarkII and the MarkIIXG Disklavier > systems. The Mark II can only use 720k floppy disks, will record only in > ESEQ format, but will also playback SMF format 0 MIDI files. If you > download SMF format 1 files from the internet, you would have to convert > them to format 0 or ESEQ to play them on a Mark II. You would also need an > add-on tone generator to play ensemble sounds. The MarkIIXG has a control > box model DKC500RXG. It records in both ESEQ and SMF mode and can use high > density 1.44 M disks formatted in either the Disklavier or the PC. It plays > ESEQ and SMF formats 0 and 1 and also has a built-in tone generator - hence > the XG sounds. > > If you have a MarkII, you can always purchase a DSR-1 control box that will > upgrade the system to a MarkIIXG. > > Carol Beigel > crbrpt@b... > > > >From: "khanba" <hanbak@h...> > >Reply-To: disklavier@y... > >To: disklavier@y... > >Subject: [disklavier] Disk Format for Disklavier > >Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 11:05:49 -0000 > > > >I have just purchased a used DC3 with a Mark II Disklavier system. > >I was trying to read the files on a disklavier floppy on my PC > >computer. I am told the disk is not formated (not true). I am > >questioning if the Disklavier Mark II uses Mac file format? Is there
> >a way to read PC formated disks on the Disklavier? > > > >Ken > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp
2002-10-24 by Carol Beigel
What is the purpose of the blank boot sector? After writing a good boot sector on your (presumably original) PianoSoft disk, could it still play in a Mark II DKV or older? What did the file extensions for the songs look like? What did you write for the "good" boot sector? Carol Beigel crbrpt@... >From: "midi_magic2000" <magic_midi@...> >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [disklavier] Re: Disk Format for Disklavier >Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:47:58 -0000 > >Hi Carol > >The Pianosoft disks have a blank Boot Sector. I used to use Norton >Utils (a bit editor) in DOS to copy a good Boot Sector to the >Pianosoft disk. That way the PC could read it. I also had a friend >write a program for the Atari PC which did the same as DKVutils. > >Midi Magic _________________________________________________________________ Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
2002-10-25 by PianoBench@aol.com
Good evening, everyone. In a message dated 10/24/02 7:33:57 PM, Carik writes: << What is the purpose of the blank boot sector? After writing a good boot sector on your (presumably original) PianoSoft disk, could it still play in a Mark II DKV or older? What did the file extensions for the songs look like? What did you write for the "good" boot sector? >> The purpose is to make the disk unbootable on a personal computer under normal circumstances. In otherwords, this is a copy-protection scheme. Regards, PianoBench
2002-10-25 by midi_magic2000
Carol Let me explain!! This is what Yamaha does. Take one "normal" formated floppy and record your .fil files to it. This will play back in any piano AND in a PC. Not a good idea to let peolpe copy it - so destroy the boot sector by making it blank and hide all of the files. That way the PC thinks it is unformated and can not read it. The Disklavier and CVPs do not need the boot sector so they can read them ok. As far as I know any piano should be able to read the files on a disk with a working boot sector. They have always worked with all of the CVPs that I have had. I have never owned a Disklavier so I don't know about that. BUT they must work, as the DVKutils program does just that. The file extensions were indeed .fil What did I write? The boot sector consists of data to tell the PC: 1 System ident 2 number of bytes per sectors 3 number of sectors per cluster 4 number of reserved sectors at begining 5 number of copies of the FAT 6 number of root directory entries 7 Total number of sectors on disk 8 mrdia descriptor 9 number of sectors per FAT 10 number of sectors per track 11 number of sides 12 number of reserved sectors If you are feeling brave and have access to DOS you can look at the boot sector by using the MS-DOS Debug utility. It goes without saying to use an old floppy in case of any accidents. I used a "BIT" editor program, "Norton Utilities". It would read a normal boot sector and then I inserted the Pianosoft disk and copied the boot sector across. Hope this helps. Midi Magic --- In disklavier@y..., "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...> wrote: > What is the purpose of the blank boot sector? After writing a good boot > sector on your (presumably original) PianoSoft disk, could it still play in > a Mark II DKV or older? What did the file extensions for the songs look
> like? What did you write for the "good" boot sector? > > Carol Beigel > crbrpt@b... > > >From: "midi_magic2000" <magic_midi@h...> > >Reply-To: disklavier@y... > >To: disklavier@y... > >Subject: [disklavier] Re: Disk Format for Disklavier > >Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 21:47:58 -0000 > > > >Hi Carol > > > >The Pianosoft disks have a blank Boot Sector. I used to use Norton > >Utils (a bit editor) in DOS to copy a good Boot Sector to the > >Pianosoft disk. That way the PC could read it. I also had a friend > >write a program for the Atari PC which did the same as DKVutils. > > > >Midi Magic > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Choose an Internet access plan right for you -- try MSN! > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/default.asp
2002-10-26 by Jimmy
Carol you said: dvk util can emap the channel Just one more question: How do you remap the midi channel with the dvk util programm, I did not find such a feature. I am looking forward to try it then, because this software is much faster and friendlier than Giebler YDM. Thanks! ============================= --- In disklavier@y..., "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...> wrote: > I buy double density disks for $4.55 for a box of 11 from www.shoplet.com > The unformatted 720k disks are #UNV00320 and the IBM formatted 720k disks > are #UNV00340. Remember, those double density disks have fewer magnetic > particles on them and were read by bigger heads than the current 1.44 M > disks. Even if you tape over the extra hole on the high density disks, they > do not always work the same. > > I never had a problem with the dkvutil remapping the MIDI channels. I > thought only the pedal data and percussion was affected. > > I have used the Giebler and dkvutils to make back up copies of the original > PianoSoft disks, and to make disks with just the songs I like. I have also > used the ESEQ to MIDI convert program to be able to take a MIDI file into a > sequence program to print out the sheet music. > > Mostly, I use sequencer software to edit the velocity of the songs so the > piano plays softer. I like Yamaha XG Works 3.0 (cost $95) to do this > because it has the velocity graphs on the player roll window. The other > full-featured sequencer that looks promising is JAZZ++ available for free at > www.jazzware.com > > ProAudioTracks 7 available from www.pgmusic.com for $29 is all right for the > price, but has no player roll or velocity windows. It only prints sheet > music in limited key signatures. > > Cakewalk Express is also limited in that global editing is harder. You have > to separate the piano part onto a different track from the ensemble parts to > edit velocity. Then make sure the piano tracks are put on Channels 1 and 2. > > Also, there are 2 very nice shareware programs out there that do a nice job > of editing; Gunter Naegler's gnmidi (also in the files on this website) and > Richard Stibbons MIDI Modifier program on Spencer's E Rolls website. > > I am certainly no expert where these software issues are concerned. I have > been searching for solutions that work for ALL disklaviers, and so far ESEQ > format and genuine 720k disks have been the only things that work > universally. > > Carol Beigel > crbrpt@b... > > >From: Jimmy <JimmyM@V...> > >Reply-To: disklavier@y... > >To: disklavier@y... > >Subject: Re: [disklavier] Disk Format for Disklavier > >Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2002 23:23:56 -0400 > > > >I'M surprised that you are not able to format 1.44 with Giebler it does > >work > >on mine software which is 2 yrs old already. 2D disquette are getting > >harder and harder to find and cost twice as much. I still have a few > >spare > >for friends. > > > >Yes dvk util works great and not to neglect free. But what software to you > >use to re-sequence your midi song, since dvkutil does move track and since > >all piano partition need to put on channel 1 or 2 I have been problem with > >that. > >Giebler let your re-map the channel. Tell me mopre about your way of doing
> >things. I'm sure I can learn a lot. > > > >Jimmy > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. > http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp