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Re: [disklavier] MIDI on CDs

2003-08-07 by Carol Beigel

Hopefully someone with more knowlege than myself will tell you a solution.  
My understanding of MIDI and Disklaviers is that MIDI files that come over 
the internet, or appear on floppy disks can be manipulated or edited in 
sequencer software, but MIDI on a CD (which is audio) needs to run through 
an analog converter.  Although your piano can play MIDI from a CD, because 
somewhere in that chain is a little black box like a MIDIman or a Yamaha CD 
player with a converter already built-in, I do not know of a way to pull the 
MIDI information off a CD.

I, too, would like to know how to separate or extract the MIDI data from the 
audio on a CD; and how to make my own CDs that have both audio and MIDI.



Carol Beigel
crbrpt@...





>From: "Rubens Family" <fdrubens@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [disklavier] UPgrade floppy to CD
>Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 06:31:09 -0400
>
>Good morning Carol
>
>I have a Mark IIXG baby grand. I purchased a piano soft plus audio CD from 
>Yamaha - I knew my system is not compatible, but I was going to try to 
>fiddle with the CD.
>
>In this particular recording, I am not interested in the accompanying audio 
>file (solo voice), but rather the piano part, and I want to transpose it 
>about a third.
>
>Is it possible to take these tracks off the CD and put them on floppy for 
>me to use with my current disklavier?
>Fraser

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Re: MIDI on CDs

2003-08-07 by wlb001

I also want to do this same and have found two possible solutions.  
Perhaps these links may help.  This gentleman has one program that 
converts midi to audio wave files.  He is still working on the QRS 
format which is what my piano uses:

http://dp70.dyndns.org/
http://dp70.dyndns.org/mid2pianocd/

Also, QRS has a analog to midi/midi to analog converter.  It is 
rather pricey, so I have avoided it, but it appears you could use 
this device to convert a midi file to audio, which in turn, could be 
converted to a wave file and saved on an audio CD, if you use the 
Pianomation format.  I have not tested this theory, however.

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <carolrpt@h...> 
wrote:
> Hopefully someone with more knowlege than myself will tell you a 
solution.  
> My understanding of MIDI and Disklaviers is that MIDI files that 
come over 
> the internet, or appear on floppy disks can be manipulated or 
edited in 
> sequencer software, but MIDI on a CD (which is audio) needs to run 
through 
> an analog converter.  Although your piano can play MIDI from a CD, 
because 
> somewhere in that chain is a little black box like a MIDIman or a 
Yamaha CD 
> player with a converter already built-in, I do not know of a way to 
pull the 
> MIDI information off a CD.
> 
> I, too, would like to know how to separate or extract the MIDI data 
from the 
> audio on a CD; and how to make my own CDs that have both audio and 
MIDI.
> 
> 
> 
> Carol Beigel
> crbrpt@b...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: "Rubens Family" <fdrubens@r...>
> >Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> >To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Re: [disklavier] UPgrade floppy to CD
> >Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 06:31:09 -0400
> >
> >Good morning Carol
> >
> >I have a Mark IIXG baby grand. I purchased a piano soft plus audio 
CD from 
> >Yamaha - I knew my system is not compatible, but I was going to 
try to 
> >fiddle with the CD.
> >
> >In this particular recording, I am not interested in the 
accompanying audio 
> >file (solo voice), but rather the piano part, and I want to 
transpose it 
> >about a third.
> >
> >Is it possible to take these tracks off the CD and put them on 
floppy for 
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> >me to use with my current disklavier?
> >Fraser
> 
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Re: [disklavier] MIDI on CDs

2003-08-07 by Jean Debefve

Carol Beigel wrote

> I, too, would like to know how to separate or extract the MIDI data 
> from the
> audio on a CD; and how to make my own CDs that have both audio and MIDI.

Seems that the manual describes another possibility : You use a 
commercial  music CD, play your own solo, and play back both together - 
the floppy or Flash disk uses the CD midi code as its time code.
Gorgeous !
But      1st   : How do I record this ? The manual looks at me with a 
mysterious smile...
     (I feel like Yamaha has been offering me a yumm(ah)y ice cream pot 
but no spoon... )

            2nd : Does that work with a homemade music CD ? Like : I 
could record myself on CD, accompanied by the Disklavier and my mourning 
dog, then play the song and dog back, with the DKV playing from the 
floppy. The difference with PianoSoft would be that if you transpose the 
DKV (let's say a third down) , the singer will be out of key. With 
PianoSoft, the singer transposes too... Not very musical most of the 
time, but funny and weird, thus useful. The  Simon and Garfunkel Bass 
Duet is an experience one should not miss ! Transpose an octave down, 
serve immediately...

Could the Mark III  Disklavier be like an iceberg : silent, beautiful 
and made invisible for 90 percent of its size and capacities ?  

Oyogunoyo !
(japanese belgian transcription for "I'drowning...!)

Jean Debefve

Re: [disklavier] MIDI on CDs

2003-08-07 by Jean Debefve

I was seduced by the disklavier DU1A (a Mark II system)  when I saw this :

http://www.yamaha.com/publications/accent/Accent102/05.htm

/"One of the season's most remarkable new ideas is PianoSmart^(TM) 
technology, now featured on all Mark III Series pianos. This new system 
enables the Disklavier to play along with standard audio CDs, matching 
the playback of the commercial audio track with accompanying MIDI files 
and synchronizing them automatically. //Owners can even record their own 
piano accompaniments to their favorite CDs, and the PianoSmart 
technology will synch them perfectly on playback."
/
I still want to try this, but the manuals give no clue as how to do this.
And Yamaha does not speak...

What about this :

*PianoSmart^(TM)* A truly revolutionary breakthrough in Disklavier 
technology, the PianoSmart system opens up a world of additional ways to 
enjoy your digital/acoustic piano. PianoSmart intelligently synchronizes 
Disklavier recording and playback with the operation of the built-in CD 
player. What this means in real terms is that you can now record your 
own piano or electronic instrumental tracks while listening to your 
favorite CDs, and play them back in perfect combination with the 
original recordings. 'Sit in' with the hottest new groups, classic 
combos or a full symphony orchestra, then sit back, press a couple of 
buttons, and listen to yourself performing 'live' with the pros! Through 
the use of MTC (MIDI Time Code), PianoSmart can also synchronize 
recording and playback with external devices such as multi-track 
recording equipment and video cameras*. These features enable pianists, 
families and educators to create audiovisual records of any performance, 
complete with 'live' Disklavier acoustic piano playback, stereo audio 
instrumentals and vocals, and full-motion video--all as one integrated 
presentation. They also allow creative musicians *(1)* to collaborate in 
ways seldom dreamed of before. In combination with the many other 
Disklavier capabilities, PianoSmart extends digital/acoustic creativity 
into a whole new universe of options. *Video synchronization requires an 
external video MIDI sync interface.


(found on http://www.keyboardcentre.com/model_dgc1a.htm)

*(1) *Still no clue, though...

... and if Carol and PianoBench or the other nice experts on the list do 
not know, who will ?

Jean Debefve

Re: [disklavier] MIDI on CDs

2003-08-07 by James Fry

On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Carol Beigel wrote:

> Hopefully someone with more knowlege than myself will tell you a solution.
> My understanding of MIDI and Disklaviers is that MIDI files that come over
> the internet, or appear on floppy disks can be manipulated or edited in
> sequencer software, but MIDI on a CD (which is audio) needs to run through
> an analog converter.  Although your piano can play MIDI from a CD, because
> somewhere in that chain is a little black box like a MIDIman or a Yamaha CD
> player with a converter already built-in, I do not know of a way to pull the
> MIDI information off a CD.
>
> I, too, would like to know how to separate or extract the MIDI data from the
> audio on a CD; and how to make my own CDs that have both audio and MIDI.

A while ago a member of the list posted a message about creating PianoDisc
CD's which have the same effect as the yamaha ones. He wrote some software
to create the special audio needed. I had a play around, and it works
pretty damned well.

However, as far as I know Yamaha haven't made the specification of their
format available, presumably because they want to keep the monopoly on
Pianosoft titles. It shouldn't be too hard to decipher though - one
could capture the midi output from a DCD1 into a midi recorder, and then
analyse the original audio signal. I doubt it's a very complicated
encoding, but it's a little beyond me.

This doesn't help with the original query of how to extract the data,
but I've attached Mark's message for reference.

Regards,
James


-----

Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:45:49 -0500 (CDT)
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From: Mark A. Fontana <mfontana@...>
Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: difference in CD and floppy drives

On Mon, 2 Jun 2003 PianoBench@... wrote:

> Currently, Yamaha's CD feature in the Mark III and the DCD1 plays three
> formats of MIDI encoded as audio: PianoSoft Plus Audio (Yamaha), QRS (or
Baldwin
> Concertmaster - same format), and PianoDisc. The Yamaha CD units also
play
> normal Audio CDs. They do not read MIDI files or data CD-ROMs of any
kind.


A few weeks ago, I posted a link to a software utility I've written
which converts MIDI and ESEQ files into WAV files with PianoDisc-style
encoding.  The idea is that you burn the WAV files onto a CD-R using the
CD authoring tool of your choice, then the resulting CD should play on
the piano.

If the Mark III pianos are able to play PianoDisc CDs, it should be
possible for Disklavier owners to make their own CDs using this tool
(just make sure you select PianoDisc format).

Here's the link to the software again:

   http://dp70.dyndns.org/mid2pianocd/

If anyone tries this, please report back to the group on whether it was
successful or not.

If this works, it should be possible to make homemade piano+audio CDs
for the Disklavier using this approach, in conjunction with a decent
audio editor like CoolEdit.


Mark

Re: [disklavier] MIDI on CDs

2003-08-07 by Carol Beigel

PianoSmart is really what we have been talking about "upgrade floppy to CD". 
  It is available now on your DU1A - probably as it came out of the box.  Is 
your version  of the software 4.45?  If so, you already have it.  Yamaha 
provides a separate user's manual for PianoSmart.  You can get one through 
them.  It is so small I am tempted to scan mine to PDF file so I can carry 
it in my tuning computer.  If I do, I will send you a copy.

PianoSmart is now available for all MarkIII Disklaviers. This software will 
be available to older DKVs any day now. I have posted some of the details 
during the past two days on the "upgrade  floppy to CD" thread.

However, learning to make one's own PianoSmart CDs is the current challenge! 
  I haven't tried yet, but it seems it could be possible.  Any details would 
be appreciated.

SmartKey is something different, and also very cool.  A piano key just 
"winks" and after you play it, another one will wink, and so forth.  Very 
nice if you want an "actor" who does not play the piano to pretend to play 
one!



Carol Beigel
crbrpt@...





>From: Jean Debefve <pubjean@...>
>Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [disklavier] MIDI on CDs
>Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 00:46:48 +0200
>
>I was seduced by the disklavier DU1A (a Mark II system)  when I saw this :
>
>http://www.yamaha.com/publications/accent/Accent102/05.htm
>
>/"One of the season's most remarkable new ideas is PianoSmart^(TM) 
>technology, now featured on all Mark III Series pianos. This new system 
>enables the Disklavier to play along with standard audio CDs, matching the 
>playback of the commercial audio track with accompanying MIDI files and 
>synchronizing them automatically. //Owners can even record their own piano 
>accompaniments to their favorite CDs, and the PianoSmart technology will 
>synch them perfectly on playback."
>/
>I still want to try this, but the manuals give no clue as how to do this.
>And Yamaha does not speak...
>
>What about this :
>
>*PianoSmart^(TM)* A truly revolutionary breakthrough in Disklavier 
>technology, the PianoSmart system opens up a world of additional ways to 
>enjoy your digital/acoustic piano. PianoSmart intelligently synchronizes 
>Disklavier recording and playback with the operation of the built-in CD 
>player. What this means in real terms is that you can now record your own 
>piano or electronic instrumental tracks while listening to your favorite 
>CDs, and play them back in perfect combination with the original 
>recordings. 'Sit in' with the hottest new groups, classic combos or a full 
>symphony orchestra, then sit back, press a couple of buttons, and listen to 
>yourself performing 'live' with the pros! Through the use of MTC (MIDI Time 
>Code), PianoSmart can also synchronize recording and playback with external 
>devices such as multi-track recording equipment and video cameras*. These 
>features enable pianists, families and educators to create audiovisual 
>records of any performance, complete with 'live' Disklavier acoustic piano 
>playback, stereo audio instrumentals and vocals, and full-motion video--all 
>as one integrated presentation. They also allow creative musicians *(1)* to 
>collaborate in ways seldom dreamed of before. In combination with the many 
>other Disklavier capabilities, PianoSmart extends digital/acoustic 
>creativity into a whole new universe of options. *Video synchronization 
>requires an external video MIDI sync interface.
>
>
>(found on http://www.keyboardcentre.com/model_dgc1a.htm)
>
>*(1) *Still no clue, though...
>
>... and if Carol and PianoBench or the other nice experts on the list do 
>not know, who will ?
>
>Jean Debefve
>

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Re: MIDI on CDs

2003-08-28 by a_zoghlin

I couldn't get the resulting wav's to play properly on my dcd1 / 
disklavier.

The key's play, but it's quite random - kind of like my 2 year old.

The idea is a great one - something Yamaha should provide.

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, James Fry <linx@t...> wrote:
> On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Carol Beigel wrote:
> 
> > Hopefully someone with more knowlege than myself will tell you a 
solution.
> > My understanding of MIDI and Disklaviers is that MIDI files that 
come over
> > the internet, or appear on floppy disks can be manipulated or 
edited in
> > sequencer software, but MIDI on a CD (which is audio) needs to 
run through
> > an analog converter.  Although your piano can play MIDI from a 
CD, because
> > somewhere in that chain is a little black box like a MIDIman or a 
Yamaha CD
> > player with a converter already built-in, I do not know of a way 
to pull the
> > MIDI information off a CD.
> >
> > I, too, would like to know how to separate or extract the MIDI 
data from the
> > audio on a CD; and how to make my own CDs that have both audio 
and MIDI.
> 
> A while ago a member of the list posted a message about creating 
PianoDisc
> CD's which have the same effect as the yamaha ones. He wrote some 
software
> to create the special audio needed. I had a play around, and it 
works
> pretty damned well.
> 
> However, as far as I know Yamaha haven't made the specification of 
their
> format available, presumably because they want to keep the monopoly 
on
> Pianosoft titles. It shouldn't be too hard to decipher though - one
> could capture the midi output from a DCD1 into a midi recorder, and 
then
> analyse the original audio signal. I doubt it's a very complicated
> encoding, but it's a little beyond me.
> 
> This doesn't help with the original query of how to extract the 
data,
> but I've attached Mark's message for reference.
> 
> Regards,
> James
> 
> 
> -----
> 
> Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:45:49 -0500 (CDT)
> From: Mark A. Fontana <mfontana@f...>
> Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: difference in CD and floppy drives
> 
> On Mon, 2 Jun 2003 PianoBench@a... wrote:
> 
> > Currently, Yamaha's CD feature in the Mark III and the DCD1 plays 
three
> > formats of MIDI encoded as audio: PianoSoft Plus Audio (Yamaha), 
QRS (or
> Baldwin
> > Concertmaster - same format), and PianoDisc. The Yamaha CD units 
also
> play
> > normal Audio CDs. They do not read MIDI files or data CD-ROMs of 
any
> kind.
> 
> 
> A few weeks ago, I posted a link to a software utility I've written
> which converts MIDI and ESEQ files into WAV files with PianoDisc-
style
> encoding.  The idea is that you burn the WAV files onto a CD-R 
using the
> CD authoring tool of your choice, then the resulting CD should play 
on
> the piano.
> 
> If the Mark III pianos are able to play PianoDisc CDs, it should be
> possible for Disklavier owners to make their own CDs using this tool
> (just make sure you select PianoDisc format).
> 
> Here's the link to the software again:
> 
>    http://dp70.dyndns.org/mid2pianocd/
> 
> If anyone tries this, please report back to the group on whether it 
was
> successful or not.
> 
> If this works, it should be possible to make homemade piano+audio 
CDs
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> for the Disklavier using this approach, in conjunction with a decent
> audio editor like CoolEdit.
> 
> 
> Mark

Re: [disklavier] Re: MIDI on CDs

2003-08-28 by James Fry

Hi there,

This worked fine on my DCD1 connected to a DCK500RW on a late model
MPX1Z (U1) upright disklavier.

How did you burn the file to the CD? I created a wav file and burnt it
using Nero 5.5 to a normal CDR - what did you use?

Perhaps you could describe how it plays a bit more accurately to help us
work out whats going wrong?

Cheers,

James
Show quoted textHide quoted text
On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, a_zoghlin wrote:

> I couldn't get the resulting wav's to play properly on my dcd1 /
> disklavier.
>
> The key's play, but it's quite random - kind of like my 2 year old.
>
> The idea is a great one - something Yamaha should provide.
>
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, James Fry <linx@t...> wrote:
> > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Carol Beigel wrote:
> >
> > > Hopefully someone with more knowlege than myself will tell you a
> solution.
> > > My understanding of MIDI and Disklaviers is that MIDI files that
> come over
> > > the internet, or appear on floppy disks can be manipulated or
> edited in
> > > sequencer software, but MIDI on a CD (which is audio) needs to
> run through
> > > an analog converter.  Although your piano can play MIDI from a
> CD, because
> > > somewhere in that chain is a little black box like a MIDIman or a
> Yamaha CD
> > > player with a converter already built-in, I do not know of a way
> to pull the
> > > MIDI information off a CD.
> > >
> > > I, too, would like to know how to separate or extract the MIDI
> data from the
> > > audio on a CD; and how to make my own CDs that have both audio
> and MIDI.
> >
> > A while ago a member of the list posted a message about creating
> PianoDisc
> > CD's which have the same effect as the yamaha ones. He wrote some
> software
> > to create the special audio needed. I had a play around, and it
> works
> > pretty damned well.
> >
> > However, as far as I know Yamaha haven't made the specification of
> their
> > format available, presumably because they want to keep the monopoly
> on
> > Pianosoft titles. It shouldn't be too hard to decipher though - one
> > could capture the midi output from a DCD1 into a midi recorder, and
> then
> > analyse the original audio signal. I doubt it's a very complicated
> > encoding, but it's a little beyond me.
> >
> > This doesn't help with the original query of how to extract the
> data,
> > but I've attached Mark's message for reference.
> >
> > Regards,
> > James
> >
> >
> > -----
> >
> > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:45:49 -0500 (CDT)
> > From: Mark A. Fontana <mfontana@f...>
> > Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: difference in CD and floppy drives
> >
> > On Mon, 2 Jun 2003 PianoBench@a... wrote:
> >
> > > Currently, Yamaha's CD feature in the Mark III and the DCD1 plays
> three
> > > formats of MIDI encoded as audio: PianoSoft Plus Audio (Yamaha),
> QRS (or
> > Baldwin
> > > Concertmaster - same format), and PianoDisc. The Yamaha CD units
> also
> > play
> > > normal Audio CDs. They do not read MIDI files or data CD-ROMs of
> any
> > kind.
> >
> >
> > A few weeks ago, I posted a link to a software utility I've written
> > which converts MIDI and ESEQ files into WAV files with PianoDisc-
> style
> > encoding.  The idea is that you burn the WAV files onto a CD-R
> using the
> > CD authoring tool of your choice, then the resulting CD should play
> on
> > the piano.
> >
> > If the Mark III pianos are able to play PianoDisc CDs, it should be
> > possible for Disklavier owners to make their own CDs using this tool
> > (just make sure you select PianoDisc format).
> >
> > Here's the link to the software again:
> >
> >    http://dp70.dyndns.org/mid2pianocd/
> >
> > If anyone tries this, please report back to the group on whether it
> was
> > successful or not.
> >
> > If this works, it should be possible to make homemade piano+audio
> CDs
> > for the Disklavier using this approach, in conjunction with a decent
> > audio editor like CoolEdit.
> >
> >
> > Mark
>
>
>
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Re: MIDI on CDs

2003-08-29 by a_zoghlin

I created pianodisc wav files from a few midi files I downloaded from 
this group (S.C. #1). I then burned the wav files to CD using Nero 6 
ultra edition in audio-cd format.

When I put the cdrom into the DCD1, it recognizes the distinct audion 
tracks (as does my computer), but will only play 1 note at a time, 
and never release the note. After about 8 notes are pressed (in say 
10 seconds), that's it, no more notes. I can hear the sustain pedal 
continuing to move, but that's about it. I have a player-only with a 
100xg.

I've fiddled with the volume, tracks, just about everthing I could 
think of except exporting it to a sound program and amplifying it.




--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, James Fry <linx@t...> wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> This worked fine on my DCD1 connected to a DCK500RW on a late model
> MPX1Z (U1) upright disklavier.
> 
> How did you burn the file to the CD? I created a wav file and burnt 
it
> using Nero 5.5 to a normal CDR - what did you use?
> 
> Perhaps you could describe how it plays a bit more accurately to 
help us
> work out whats going wrong?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> James
> 
> On Thu, 28 Aug 2003, a_zoghlin wrote:
> 
> > I couldn't get the resulting wav's to play properly on my dcd1 /
> > disklavier.
> >
> > The key's play, but it's quite random - kind of like my 2 year 
old.
> >
> > The idea is a great one - something Yamaha should provide.
> >
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, James Fry <linx@t...> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 7 Aug 2003, Carol Beigel wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hopefully someone with more knowlege than myself will tell 
you a
> > solution.
> > > > My understanding of MIDI and Disklaviers is that MIDI files 
that
> > come over
> > > > the internet, or appear on floppy disks can be manipulated or
> > edited in
> > > > sequencer software, but MIDI on a CD (which is audio) needs to
> > run through
> > > > an analog converter.  Although your piano can play MIDI from a
> > CD, because
> > > > somewhere in that chain is a little black box like a MIDIman 
or a
> > Yamaha CD
> > > > player with a converter already built-in, I do not know of a 
way
> > to pull the
> > > > MIDI information off a CD.
> > > >
> > > > I, too, would like to know how to separate or extract the MIDI
> > data from the
> > > > audio on a CD; and how to make my own CDs that have both audio
> > and MIDI.
> > >
> > > A while ago a member of the list posted a message about creating
> > PianoDisc
> > > CD's which have the same effect as the yamaha ones. He wrote 
some
> > software
> > > to create the special audio needed. I had a play around, and it
> > works
> > > pretty damned well.
> > >
> > > However, as far as I know Yamaha haven't made the specification 
of
> > their
> > > format available, presumably because they want to keep the 
monopoly
> > on
> > > Pianosoft titles. It shouldn't be too hard to decipher though - 
one
> > > could capture the midi output from a DCD1 into a midi recorder, 
and
> > then
> > > analyse the original audio signal. I doubt it's a very 
complicated
> > > encoding, but it's a little beyond me.
> > >
> > > This doesn't help with the original query of how to extract the
> > data,
> > > but I've attached Mark's message for reference.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > > -----
> > >
> > > Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2003 17:45:49 -0500 (CDT)
> > > From: Mark A. Fontana <mfontana@f...>
> > > Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: difference in CD and floppy drives
> > >
> > > On Mon, 2 Jun 2003 PianoBench@a... wrote:
> > >
> > > > Currently, Yamaha's CD feature in the Mark III and the DCD1 
plays
> > three
> > > > formats of MIDI encoded as audio: PianoSoft Plus Audio 
(Yamaha),
> > QRS (or
> > > Baldwin
> > > > Concertmaster - same format), and PianoDisc. The Yamaha CD 
units
> > also
> > > play
> > > > normal Audio CDs. They do not read MIDI files or data CD-ROMs 
of
> > any
> > > kind.
> > >
> > >
> > > A few weeks ago, I posted a link to a software utility I've 
written
> > > which converts MIDI and ESEQ files into WAV files with 
PianoDisc-
> > style
> > > encoding.  The idea is that you burn the WAV files onto a CD-R
> > using the
> > > CD authoring tool of your choice, then the resulting CD should 
play
> > on
> > > the piano.
> > >
> > > If the Mark III pianos are able to play PianoDisc CDs, it 
should be
> > > possible for Disklavier owners to make their own CDs using this 
tool
> > > (just make sure you select PianoDisc format).
> > >
> > > Here's the link to the software again:
> > >
> > >    http://dp70.dyndns.org/mid2pianocd/
> > >
> > > If anyone tries this, please report back to the group on 
whether it
> > was
> > > successful or not.
> > >
> > > If this works, it should be possible to make homemade 
piano+audio
> > CDs
> > > for the Disklavier using this approach, in conjunction with a 
decent
> > > audio editor like CoolEdit.
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@Y...
> >
> > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's founder and 
moderator, send it to:
> > disklavier-owner@Y...
> >
> > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> >
> > Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  It 
contains some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among 
many other things, The url is:
> > http://MuncyFamily.com
> >
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