Disklavier

That is certainly an interesting theory!  I know when I installed a new hard
drive for my Windows 98 I used the FAT32.  What is NTFS?  I have a Compaq
Evo with Windows XP Professional ; a very expensive laptop, and it doesn't
do squat with any of these DOS utilities we have been discussing.  It runs
AnaDisk, but not Giebler.  Won't format a 720k disk.  Certainly won't run
the dkvcopy program.  Taping over the holes in the floppy disk doesn't help
either!  I never got Giebler to work with 1.44 disks. So how come some users
of XP can does this and not others?  How can you tell how your XP system is
formatted?

Carol Beigel

----- Original Message -----
From: "Chine-Chine Wang" <chine@...>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] giebler under xp


My theory is that Giebler might be able to function under XP provided that
your hard drive's file system is formatted as FAT32 instead of
NTFS.  Windows XP can run a lot of DOS programs, but since Giebler needs to
write the converted/copied files to the hard drive, the problem probably
lies within DOS programs' inability to write on NTFS partitions.

CCW


At 04:14 PM 10/29/2003, you wrote:
>i do not understand
>
>i have a 1996 vintage giebler program for yamaha file management that
>works under 95, 98 and me
>
>but in order for it to operate, the computer must be in DOS mode,because
>it is a DOS program
>
>you have to get out of the windows desktop and go to the c prompt
>
>please explain exactly how you are able to run your program in XP
>
>do you run it from the disk?
>
>what is the program called and what version is it?
>
>was it represented by giebler to be capable of running in the xp
environment?
>
>what command do you type to execute?
>
>do you do it from the windows desktop "run" box, or some other way?
>
>i would love to be able to use the giebler program
>await your responses
>
>sheldon deluty
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jorge Fernandez Moreno
>Sent: Oct 29, 2003 3:34 PM
>To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [disklavier] Re: Problem with conversion using ESEQ2MIDI
>
>I have a giebler'r ultilies version that i brought last june.
>I don\ufffdt think that the version is new.
>
>IT WORKS UNDER XP!
>
>But only with 2HD disks. (1.4 megs)
>
>I have used it a few times, mainly when I download files from yamaha
>with the yamaha downloader that writes the "special yamaha format"
>
>Extract indiviual files to HD and the convert them to midi also with
>the giebler utility.
>
>All this under XP.
>
>If the .FIL in not in a protectyed yamaha disk I allways use
>SEQ2MIDI whith no problems.
>
>I hope this helps.
>
>--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Sheldon Deluty" <mdshd@e...>
>wrote:
> > fyi, giebler's program absolutely positively does NOT work under
>windows xp,
> > because xp has no true DOS mode
> >
> > you need any operating system other than xp (95, 98, me) which can
>operate
> > in true DOS mode
> >
> > i have asked giebler myself, and he either cannot or will not
>rewrite his
> > program to work under xp
> >
> > giebler works best with an old slower computer
> >
> > i know this from personal experience
> >
> > actually, with giebler you can transfer filed from an eseq
>diskette to your
> > hard drive, convert them and then transfer them back to a diskette
> >
> > sheldon deluty
> >
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: Robert Welcyng [mailto:rwelcyng@a...]
> >   Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:09 PM
> >   To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> >   Subject: Re: [disklavier] Problem with conversion using ESEQ2MIDI
> >
> >
> >   Sam, I've always used the Giebler Utilities to do that job.  See
> >   www.giebler.com  It's not free, but it does the job reliably.
>With it,
> >   you cannot copy an entire Yamaha-protected Pianosoft diskette;
>however,
> >   you can copy and convert individual files.
> >
> >   For fun, I once tried the ESEQ2MIDI program and it didn't work
>for me
> >   either.  Rather than fight it, I continued to use Giebler which
>I had
> >   used for years.
> >
> >   If you have never worked under DOS, you just need to follow
>Giebler's
> >   instruction manual.  (If you cut your teeth on CP/M or DOS in
>the early
> >   days, you're in for a retro experience.)
> >
> >
> >
> >   bpsafran wrote:
> >   > Greetings:
> >   >
> >   > I want to convert some eseq files that I purchased from Yamaha
>to
> >   > Midi so that I can edit and save them on my Clavinova.  I tried
> >   > using the ESEQ2MIDI program on the files (extracted to my hard
>disk
> >   > using the dkvcopy program) but I get an error message from
>ESEQ2MIDI
> >   > on each file that says ESEQ file is corrupt.
> >   > However, the files play fine (from floppy disk) on my
>Clavinova,
> >   > which reads both midi and eseq formats.
> >   >
> >   > Anyone have any ideas on how to fix the files so that
>ESEQ2MIDI will
> >   > be able to do the conversions?
> >   > Are there any programs that will do the conversions on the
>original
> >   > disk itself (which is not readable on a PC unless one uses the
> >   > dkvcopy program).
> >   >
> >   > Thanks
> >   >
> >   > Sam Safran
> >   > sam.safran@w...
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   disklavier@Y...
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>and
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>
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vier
> >   >
> >   > Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  It
>contains
> > some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many
>other things,
> > The url is:
> >   > <http://MuncyFamily.com>http://MuncyFamily.com
> >   >
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>contains some
> > fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other
>things, The
> > url is:
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Greetings Carol,

Wednesday, October 29, 2003, 4:31:49 PM, you wrote:

How can you tell how your XP system is CB> formatted?

If you installed xp on a new machine it is probably NTFS.

You can have several partitions and some can be NTFS and others FAT or
FAT32. You can see what any of them are by right mouse clicking on the
icon for the drive letter of the partition of interest in my computer
or the windows explorer. Choose properties and the window that pops up
will include the file the file system.

If the problem is inability to write to an NTFS partition, all that
might be needed is to create a partition that is FAT. It is easiest to
do this with Partition Magic. You can even pick up an older version
for almost nothing on e-bay. I paid $15 or less for version 7 but it
does not do the fancy after the fact multi boot stuff that I wanted so
I had to buy version 8 too.

You can probably run the program from the NTFS partition but may need
to put the data files on the FAT partition.

By the way, there are all sorts of other possible reasons that a
program would not run under xp. One thing that might help is running
the program in a compatibility mode such as that for win 98 but there
is still no guarantee.  This is easy to try. Just right click the
program and choose properties and then the page for compatibility and
check the box to use a compatibility mode and choose one. Still might
not work if the program is trying to do things that are just not
allowed in NT and other reasons too.

In spite of all of this, I have virtually no programs that do not run
under xp with lots of time spent configuring and working around
issues. Some work marginally so I use the dual boot system when I need
it.



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My computer has 2 NTFS Hard disks under XP ang Giebler works fine, 
but only with 2HD FDs (1440 kb) so the problem seems not to be on 
the Hard disk side. In fact there is no nned for giebler to use low 
level call for the hard disk (but it is needed to bypass the "copy 
protection" on the yamaha FDs) XP has not low level calls for DD 
disketes, it simply consider this an obsolete media.
I think that even the hardware on some new computers can not handle 
DD FDs, so the tip following may not work on some new coputers.

If you have and old clavinova or DKV than only handles 2DD FDs 
(720kb) then giebler will not work on this disks under XP.

Some one give us this tip in the past:

1 Get an old DOS boot FD
2 Boot the computer with this disk (now you will not have acces to 
the Hard disk)
3 Use the giebler under DOS ahd try to convert the files using only 
Flopies.
4 When you have finished the conversions, boot XP again and use the 
conveter files.

Very tricky, but should work.



--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Chine-Chine Wang <chine@e...> 
wrote:
> My theory is that Giebler might be able to function under XP 
provided that 
> your hard drive's file system is formatted as FAT32 instead of 
> NTFS.  Windows XP can run a lot of DOS programs, but since Giebler 
needs to 
> write the converted/copied files to the hard drive, the problem 
probably 
> lies within DOS programs' inability to write on NTFS partitions.
> 
> CCW
> 
> 
> At 04:14 PM 10/29/2003, you wrote:
> >i do not understand
> >
> >i have a 1996 vintage giebler program for yamaha file management 
that 
> >works under 95, 98 and me
> >
> >but in order for it to operate, the computer must be in DOS 
mode,because 
> >it is a DOS program
> >
> >you have to get out of the windows desktop and go to the c prompt
> >
> >please explain exactly how you are able to run your program in XP
> >
> >do you run it from the disk?
> >
> >what is the program called and what version is it?
> >
> >was it represented by giebler to be capable of running in the xp 
environment?
> >
> >what command do you type to execute?
> >
> >do you do it from the windows desktop "run" box, or some other 
way?
> >
> >i would love to be able to use the giebler program
> >await your responses
> >
> >sheldon deluty
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jorge Fernandez Moreno
> >Sent: Oct 29, 2003 3:34 PM
> >To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [disklavier] Re: Problem with conversion using ESEQ2MIDI
> >
> >I have a giebler'r ultilies version that i brought last june.
> >I don´t think that the version is new.
> >
> >IT WORKS UNDER XP!
> >
> >But only with 2HD disks. (1.4 megs)
> >
> >I have used it a few times, mainly when I download files from 
yamaha
> >with the yamaha downloader that writes the "special yamaha format"
> >
> >Extract indiviual files to HD and the convert them to midi also 
with
> >the giebler utility.
> >
> >All this under XP.
> >
> >If the .FIL in not in a protectyed yamaha disk I allways use
> >SEQ2MIDI whith no problems.
> >
> >I hope this helps.
> >
> >--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Sheldon Deluty" <mdshd@e...>
> >wrote:
> > > fyi, giebler's program absolutely positively does NOT work 
under
> >windows xp,
> > > because xp has no true DOS mode
> > >
> > > you need any operating system other than xp (95, 98, me) which 
can
> >operate
> > > in true DOS mode
> > >
> > > i have asked giebler myself, and he either cannot or will not
> >rewrite his
> > > program to work under xp
> > >
> > > giebler works best with an old slower computer
> > >
> > > i know this from personal experience
> > >
> > > actually, with giebler you can transfer filed from an eseq
> >diskette to your
> > > hard drive, convert them and then transfer them back to a 
diskette
> > >
> > > sheldon deluty
> > >
> > >   -----Original Message-----
> > >   From: Robert Welcyng [mailto:rwelcyng@a...]
> > >   Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 6:09 PM
> > >   To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > >   Subject: Re: [disklavier] Problem with conversion using 
ESEQ2MIDI
> > >
> > >
> > >   Sam, I've always used the Giebler Utilities to do that job.  
See
> > >   www.giebler.com  It's not free, but it does the job reliably.
> >With it,
> > >   you cannot copy an entire Yamaha-protected Pianosoft 
diskette;
> >however,
> > >   you can copy and convert individual files.
> > >
> > >   For fun, I once tried the ESEQ2MIDI program and it didn't 
work
> >for me
> > >   either.  Rather than fight it, I continued to use Giebler 
which
> >I had
> > >   used for years.
> > >
> > >   If you have never worked under DOS, you just need to follow
> >Giebler's
> > >   instruction manual.  (If you cut your teeth on CP/M or DOS in
> >the early
> > >   days, you're in for a retro experience.)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   bpsafran wrote:
> > >   > Greetings:
> > >   >
> > >   > I want to convert some eseq files that I purchased from 
Yamaha
> >to
> > >   > Midi so that I can edit and save them on my Clavinova.  I 
tried
> > >   > using the ESEQ2MIDI program on the files (extracted to my 
hard
> >disk
> > >   > using the dkvcopy program) but I get an error message from
> >ESEQ2MIDI
> > >   > on each file that says ESEQ file is corrupt.
> > >   > However, the files play fine (from floppy disk) on my
> >Clavinova,
> > >   > which reads both midi and eseq formats.
> > >   >
> > >   > Anyone have any ideas on how to fix the files so that
> >ESEQ2MIDI will
> > >   > be able to do the conversions?
> > >   > Are there any programs that will do the conversions on the
> >original
> > >   > disk itself (which is not readable on a PC unless one uses 
the
> > >   > dkvcopy program).
> > >   >
> > >   > Thanks
> > >   >
> > >   > Sam Safran
> > >   > sam.safran@w...
> > >   >
> > >   >
> > >   >
> > >   > To Post a message to the group, send it to:   
disklavier@Y...
> > >   >
> > >   > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's 
founder
> >and
> > > moderator, send it to:
> > >   > disklavier-owner@Y...
> > >   >
> > >   > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > >   > 
> > 
<http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier>http://Yahoogroups.com/group
/disklavier
> > >   >
> > >   > Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  It
> >contains
> > > some fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many
> >other things,
> > > The url is:
> > >   > <http://MuncyFamily.com>http://MuncyFamily.com
> > >   >
> > >   > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > >   > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting
> >too much
> > > mail, go the the web site and change your email delivery option
> >instead.
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> >group.  If
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> > >
> > >   Todd's family web site was completely updated 01/15/03.  It
> >contains some
> > > fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other
> >things, The
> > > url is:
> > >   <http://MuncyFamily.com>http://MuncyFamily.com
> > >
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>You can probably run the program from the NTFS partition but may 
need to put the data files on the FAT partition.

I have done this several times.
Right now, I have some MID files tha came from Yamaha FD (.fil) on 
my hard disk.
I did the conversion under XP using giebler utilities.
Both one to upload from FD to Hardisk and one to convert from 
giebler format of ESEQ (not .FIL but .Yxx something I always erase 
this work files) to .MID

Hope this helps

The problem is not with yamaha old DD FDs in old pianos, is with 
Microsoft deciding not to support this media any more.


--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Spencer Chase <spencer@m...> 
wrote:

> Greetings Carol,
> 
> Wednesday, October 29, 2003, 4:31:49 PM, you wrote:
> 
> How can you tell how your XP system is CB> formatted?
> 
> If you installed xp on a new machine it is probably NTFS.
>