RE: [disklavier] Digest Number 1249
2006-05-23 by Paul Wong
I've been a member of this group for more than 5 years and this is the first time I've been motivated to post a message - and this one's to Carol Beigel: Please ignore Morris Smith's crude email. It is evident he lacks the spirit of this incredible Disklavier Group. You, on the other hand, have displayed honesty, character, generosity, and expertise throughout these years and have established credibility as seen in the many exchanges you have with group members. I look forward to your responses to the many questions members have posted throughout the years. Please keep up the good work and THANKS! Paul Wong Morristown, NJ
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-----Original Message-----
From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 7:15 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [disklavier] Digest Number 1249
There are 13 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible Defect in Yamaha Grands
From: "manhattanboy100" manhattanboy100@...
2. Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible Defect in Yamaha Grands
From: "Carol Beigel" thecarolb@...
3. Re:
From: "John Hancock" johnmusic@...
4. Re: G or C?
From: "Buddhika Wije" buddhika50@...
5. Re: G or C?
From: "Carol Beigel" thecarolb@...
6. Re: G or C?
From: "Morris Smith" mdsatlanta@...
7. Re: G or C?
From: "Jorge Fernandez" jorgefedez@...
8. Re: G or C?
From: "Mark" marcus@...
9. Re: G or C?
From: "Ron Natalie" ron.natalie@...
10. Re: G or C?
From: "Jerry Dutcher" gldutcher@...
11. Re: G or C?
From: "Buddhika Wije" buddhika50@...
12. Re: G or C?
From: "Jorge Fernandez" jorgefedez@...
13. Re: G or C?
From: "Mysore" suresh@...
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Message 1
From: "manhattanboy100" manhattanboy100@...
Date: Sun May 21, 2006 4:55pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible Defect in Yamaha Grands
Thanks. Carol do you have any strong views GC1 (5'3") v. C2 (5'8").
Same Mark IV disklavier system. Thanks.
Ron
-- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur O'Leary" <ajoleary@...>
wrote:
>
> Go for the C2 - it's worth the difference.
>
>
>
> AJ O'Leary
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of manhattanboy100
> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 4:42 PM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible Defect
in Yamaha
> Grands
>
>
>
> Thanks, I will pass this info along to the dealer. One more thing,
I
> am really struggling between the C1 (5'3") and C2 (5'8") models -
> both will fit well in my home - both come with the same Mark Iv
> disklavier and there is about a $10,000 price difference. Not being
a
> player I really cannot hear the difference. Any advice? Thanks!!
>
>
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@>
> wrote:
> >
> > What you are noticing are called compression ridges.
> > Because the planks that make up the soundboard of the
> > piano are glued in on all sides, when they encounter
> > humidity and swell slightly, there is no where to go
> > and you see these compression ridges. Eventually they
> > dry out and go away. However, if the humidity was
> > severe enough, those ridges can turn into cracks. It
> > is not the end of the world if your soundboard cracks,
> > but I personally believe there is an eventual loss of
> > tone. Yamaha does put a 10 year warranty on their
> > pianos.
> >
> > If you think the compression is severe, wait for
> > another piano.
> >
> > Carol Beigel
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "manhattanboy100" <manhattanboy100@>
> > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:08 AM
> > Subject: [disklavier] Help! Serious Concern re Possible
> > Defect in Yamaha Grands
> >
> >
> > > Hi, I am about to purchase a brand new Yamaha C2 with
> > the disklavier
> > > feature. The piano arrived at the dealer and it is
> > now set up in the
> > > showroom (for tuning etc). When I examined the piano
> > closely I noticed
> > > that the light colored horizontal wood panelling
> > below the strings is
> > > not perfectly flat and smooth to the touch, but the
> > wood strips have
> > > raised ridges between them, almost like the "cupping"
> > that occurs when
> > > hardwood floor strips become damaged from water. Its
> > as though the
> > > strips are too compressed against one another
> > resulting in raised
> > > edges. Other pianos (both Yamaha and other brands)
> > that I looked at in
> > > the showroom did not have this problem. The boards
> > are flat and
> > > smooth. The salesperson could not explain but agreed
> > to look into it.
> > > Has anyone encountered this? Is this a defect in the
> > piano? Could this
> > > be a moisture or humidity problem? Should I be
> > concerned? Thanks!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Message 2
From: "Carol Beigel" thecarolb@comcast.net
Date: Sun May 21, 2006 9:12pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible Defect in Yamaha Grands
In pianos, bigger is usually better. The C2 is a well-built piano. The GC1
is a cheaper version of the C1. Different materials in the case, piano
hammers and the amount of work put into it at the factory. That is why it
is so much cheaper. Try to get a good deal on the C2. Ultimately though,
you should listen to each of these pianos and decide for yourself!
Carol
----- Original Message -----
From: "manhattanboy100" <manhattanboy100@...>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible Defect in Yamaha
Grands
> Thanks. Carol do you have any strong views GC1 (5'3") v. C2 (5'8").
> Same Mark IV disklavier system. Thanks.
> Ron
>
>
> -- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur O'Leary" <ajoleary@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Go for the C2 - it's worth the difference.
> >
> >
> >
> > AJ O'Leary
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of manhattanboy100
> > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 4:42 PM
> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible Defect
> in Yamaha
> > Grands
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks, I will pass this info along to the dealer. One more thing,
> I
> > am really struggling between the C1 (5'3") and C2 (5'8") models -
> > both will fit well in my home - both come with the same Mark Iv
> > disklavier and there is about a $10,000 price difference. Not being
> a
> > player I really cannot hear the difference. Any advice? Thanks!!
> >
> >
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > What you are noticing are called compression ridges.
> > > Because the planks that make up the soundboard of the
> > > piano are glued in on all sides, when they encounter
> > > humidity and swell slightly, there is no where to go
> > > and you see these compression ridges. Eventually they
> > > dry out and go away. However, if the humidity was
> > > severe enough, those ridges can turn into cracks. It
> > > is not the end of the world if your soundboard cracks,
> > > but I personally believe there is an eventual loss of
> > > tone. Yamaha does put a 10 year warranty on their
> > > pianos.
> > >
> > > If you think the compression is severe, wait for
> > > another piano.
> > >
> > > Carol Beigel
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "manhattanboy100" <manhattanboy100@>
> > > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:08 AM
> > > Subject: [disklavier] Help! Serious Concern re Possible
> > > Defect in Yamaha Grands
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi, I am about to purchase a brand new Yamaha C2 with
> > > the disklavier
> > > > feature. The piano arrived at the dealer and it is
> > > now set up in the
> > > > showroom (for tuning etc). When I examined the piano
> > > closely I noticed
> > > > that the light colored horizontal wood panelling
> > > below the strings is
> > > > not perfectly flat and smooth to the touch, but the
> > > wood strips have
> > > > raised ridges between them, almost like the "cupping"
> > > that occurs when
> > > > hardwood floor strips become damaged from water. Its
> > > as though the
> > > > strips are too compressed against one another
> > > resulting in raised
> > > > edges. Other pianos (both Yamaha and other brands)
> > > that I looked at in
> > > > the showroom did not have this problem. The boards
> > > are flat and
> > > > smooth. The salesperson could not explain but agreed
> > > to look into it.
> > > > Has anyone encountered this? Is this a defect in the
> > > piano? Could this
> > > > be a moisture or humidity problem? Should I be
> > > concerned? Thanks!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups
> > > >
> > > > To Post a message to the group, send it to:
> > > disklavier@
> > > >
> > > > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's
> > > founder and moderator, send it to:
> > > > disklavier-owner@
> > > >
> > > > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > > > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> > > >
> > > > Todd's family web site was completely updated
> > > 012/22/03. It contains some fun disklavier content and
> > > links to midi sites among many other things, The url
> > > is:
> > > > http://MuncyFamily.com
> > > >
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> > To reach our group's web site go to:
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> >
> > Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03. It
> contains some
> > fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other
> things, The
> > url is:
> > http://MuncyFamily.com
> >
> > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too
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> That
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>
> Todd's family web site was completely updated 012/22/03. It contains some
fun disklavier content and links to midi sites among many other things, The
url is:
> http://MuncyFamily.com
>
> THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are getting too much mail,
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Message 3
From: "John Hancock" johnmusic@...
Date: Mon May 22, 2006 1:33am(PDT)
Subject: Re:
This is for DK technicians such as Carol or others.
I have been told that the pedal sensor on my "vintage" G1 wagon grand only
records full or half pedal.
I have tested this and it appears that the pedal is grey scale and records
minute movements. If I slowly depress the pedal and slowly release it, the
playback is smooth and continuous right from off to full and back again.
So. Is the pedal on my Mk1 grand grey scale or not?
John Hancock
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From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of manhattanboy100
Sent: 22 May 2006 00:55
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible Defect in Yamaha
Grands
Thanks. Carol do you have any strong views GC1 (5'3") v. C2 (5'8").
Same Mark IV disklavier system. Thanks.
Ron
-- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur O'Leary" <ajoleary@...>
wrote:
>
> Go for the C2 - it's worth the difference.
>
>
>
> AJ O'Leary
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of manhattanboy100
> Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 4:42 PM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible Defect
in Yamaha
> Grands
>
>
>
> Thanks, I will pass this info along to the dealer. One more thing,
I
> am really struggling between the C1 (5'3") and C2 (5'8") models -
> both will fit well in my home - both come with the same Mark Iv
> disklavier and there is about a $10,000 price difference. Not being
a
> player I really cannot hear the difference. Any advice? Thanks!!
>
>
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@>
> wrote:
> >
> > What you are noticing are called compression ridges.
> > Because the planks that make up the soundboard of the
> > piano are glued in on all sides, when they encounter
> > humidity and swell slightly, there is no where to go
> > and you see these compression ridges. Eventually they
> > dry out and go away. However, if the humidity was
> > severe enough, those ridges can turn into cracks. It
> > is not the end of the world if your soundboard cracks,
> > but I personally believe there is an eventual loss of
> > tone. Yamaha does put a 10 year warranty on their
> > pianos.
> >
> > If you think the compression is severe, wait for
> > another piano.
> >
> > Carol Beigel
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "manhattanboy100" <manhattanboy100@>
> > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:08 AM
> > Subject: [disklavier] Help! Serious Concern re Possible
> > Defect in Yamaha Grands
> >
> >
> > > Hi, I am about to purchase a brand new Yamaha C2 with
> > the disklavier
> > > feature. The piano arrived at the dealer and it is
> > now set up in the
> > > showroom (for tuning etc). When I examined the piano
> > closely I noticed
> > > that the light colored horizontal wood panelling
> > below the strings is
> > > not perfectly flat and smooth to the touch, but the
> > wood strips have
> > > raised ridges between them, almost like the "cupping"
> > that occurs when
> > > hardwood floor strips become damaged from water. Its
> > as though the
> > > strips are too compressed against one another
> > resulting in raised
> > > edges. Other pianos (both Yamaha and other brands)
> > that I looked at in
> > > the showroom did not have this problem. The boards
> > are flat and
> > > smooth. The salesperson could not explain but agreed
> > to look into it.
> > > Has anyone encountered this? Is this a defect in the
> > piano? Could this
> > > be a moisture or humidity problem? Should I be
> > concerned? Thanks!!
> > >
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From: "Buddhika Wije" buddhika50@...
Date: Mon May 22, 2006 2:22am(PDT)
Subject: Re: G or C?
Hi,
Whats the equal version to the G3 now and whats the value of a good
second hand one?
I guess the C series is better than the G series?
Thanks
BUDD
From: "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@...> Reply-To:
disklavier@yahoogroups.com To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re:
[disklavier] Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible Defect in Yamaha
Grands Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 23:23:37 -0400 In pianos, bigger is
usually better. The C2 is a well-built piano. The GC1 is a cheaper
version of the C1. Different materials in the case, piano hammers and
the amount of work put into it at the factory. That is why it is so much
cheaper. Try to get a good deal on the C2. Ultimately though, you should
listen to each of these pianos and decide for yourself! Carol -----
Original Message ----- From: "manhattanboy100"
<manhattanboy100@...> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> Sent:
Sunday, May 21, 2006
7:55 PM Subject: [disklavier] Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible
Defect in Yamaha Grands > Thanks. Carol do you have any strong views GC1
(5'3") v. C2 (5'8"). > Same Mark IV disklavier system. Thanks. > Ron > >
> -- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur O'Leary" <ajoleary@...> >
wrote: > > > > Go for the C2 - it's worth the difference. > > > > > > >
> AJ O'Leary > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From:
disklavier@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On > >
Behalf Of manhattanboy100 > > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 4:42 PM > > To:
disklavier@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Help! Serious
Concern re Possible Defect > in Yamaha >
> Grands > > > > > > > > Thanks, I will pass this info along to the
dealer. One more thing, > I > > am really struggling between the C1
(5'3") and C2 (5'8") models - > > both will fit well in my home - both
come with the same Mark Iv > > disklavier and there is about a $10,000
price difference. Not being > a > > player I really cannot hear the
difference. Any advice? Thanks!! > > > > > > --- In
disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@> > > wrote: > > >
> > > What you are noticing are called compression ridges. > > > Because
the planks that make up the soundboard of the > > > piano are glued in
on all sides, when they encounter > > > humidity and swell slightly,
there is no where to
go > > > and you see these compression ridges. Eventually they > > > dry
out and go away. However, if the humidity was > > > severe enough, those
ridges can turn into cracks. It > > > is not the end of the world if
your soundboard cracks, > > > but I personally believe there is an
eventual loss of > > > tone. Yamaha does put a 10 year warranty on their
> > > pianos. > > > > > > If you think the compression is severe, wait
for > > > another piano. > > > > > > Carol Beigel > > > > > > -----
Original Message ----- > > > From: "manhattanboy100" <manhattanboy100@>
> > > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006
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> Subject: [disklavier] Help! Serious Concern re Possible > > > Defect
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arrived at the dealer and it is > > > now set up in the > > > > showroom
(for tuning etc). When I examined the piano > > > closely I noticed > >
> > that the light colored horizontal wood panelling > > > below the
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> > wood strips have > > > > raised ridges between them, almost like the
"cupping" > > > that occurs when > > > > hardwood floor strips become
damaged from water. Its > >
> as though the > > > > strips are too compressed against one another >
> > resulting in raised > > > > edges. Other pianos (both Yamaha and
other brands) > > > that I looked at in > > > > the showroom did not
have this problem. The boards > > > are flat and > > > > smooth. The
salesperson could not explain but agreed > > > to look into it. > > > >
Has anyone encountered this? Is this a defect in the > > > piano? Could
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Message 5
From: "Carol Beigel" thecarolb@...
Date: Mon May 22, 2006 5:07am(PDT)
Subject: Re: G or C?
This is hard to explain; especially since different models are distributed
all over the world, and often "newer" versions still have the same model
number! The U1 upright is a good example of a piano that has changed many
times in different markets over the years, but still carries the model
number of U1.
I can only speak for the G, C, and S models I have seen in the United
States. Years ago, Yamaha made a G series of grand pianos that were
marketed for home use. That means they were engineered and manufactured to
a price point not necessarily the best quality. The C series are better
pianos and higher priced; called Conservatory models. Then, there is the
best they can do, and those are the S series for those who are willing to
pay for a fabulous piano. I once saw an A series baby grand that was
wonderful, but it was not marketed in the U.S. It's all about price point
and what the customer will pay for.
As everything else in the world, piano manufacturers had to compete in a
market where people wanted to buy goods for cheap, so they had to come up
with pianos that people could buy for cheaper. The only way to do that is
to cut corners somewhere. You get what you pay for, but that is hard to
explain that to someone on a showroom floor looking at virtually identical
grand pianos the same size but the price points are thousands of dollars
apart.
I believe the C3 today is similar to the G3 of yesteryear, but there is no
cheaper version of that size piano today. The cheaper models are the
smaller grands.
The older G series have the same stringing scales in some instances that the
C series now uses but other differences in the piano actions. You really
cannot generalize and say the old G series are as good as today's C series.
Today's G series make a lot of compromises in the materials used in the
case, how long the factory takes to produce them, how nice the piano hammers
sound (usually brighter), how well the piano can be tuned and how long a
tuning will last, how fast the materials in the piano action will wear out,
and how long the regulation of the piano action will last.
Carol Beigel
----- Original Message -----
From: Buddhika Wije
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 22, 2006 5:21 AM
Subject: Re: [disklavier] G or C?
Hi,
Whats the equal version to the G3 now and whats the value of a good second
hand one?
I guess the C series is better than the G series?
Thanks
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From: "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@...>
Reply-To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [disklavier] Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible Defect
in Yamaha Grands
Date: Sun, 21 May 2006 23:23:37 -0400
In pianos, bigger is usually better. The C2 is a well-built piano. The
GC1
is a cheaper version of the C1. Different materials in the case, piano
hammers and the amount of work put into it at the factory. That is why
it
is so much cheaper. Try to get a good deal on the C2. Ultimately
though,
you should listen to each of these pianos and decide for yourself!
Carol
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From: "manhattanboy100" <manhattanboy100@...>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 7:55 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible Defect in
Yamaha
Grands
> Thanks. Carol do you have any strong views GC1 (5'3") v. C2 (5'8").
> Same Mark IV disklavier system. Thanks.
> Ron
>
>
> -- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Arthur O'Leary" <ajoleary@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Go for the C2 - it's worth the difference.
> >
> >
> >
> > AJ O'Leary
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> > From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
> > Behalf Of manhattanboy100
> > Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 4:42 PM
> > To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [disklavier] Re: Help! Serious Concern re Possible Defect
> in Yamaha
> > Grands
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks, I will pass this info along to the dealer. One more thing,
> I
> > am really struggling between the C1 (5'3") and C2 (5'8") models -
> > both will fit well in my home - both come with the same Mark Iv
> > disklavier and there is about a $10,000 price difference. Not being
> a
> > player I really cannot hear the difference. Any advice? Thanks!!
> >
> >
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > What you are noticing are called compression ridges.
> > > Because the planks that make up the soundboard of the
> > > piano are glued in on all sides, when they encounter
> > > humidity and swell slightly, there is no where to go
> > > and you see these compression ridges. Eventually they
> > > dry out and go away. However, if the humidity was
> > > severe enough, those ridges can turn into cracks. It
> > > is not the end of the world if your soundboard cracks,
> > > but I personally believe there is an eventual loss of
> > > tone. Yamaha does put a 10 year warranty on their
> > > pianos.
> > >
> > > If you think the compression is severe, wait for
> > > another piano.
> > >
> > > Carol Beigel
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "manhattanboy100" <manhattanboy100@>
> > > To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 2:08 AM
> > > Subject: [disklavier] Help! Serious Concern re Possible
> > > Defect in Yamaha Grands
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi, I am about to purchase a brand new Yamaha C2 with
> > > the disklavier
> > > > feature. The piano arrived at the dealer and it is
> > > now set up in the
> > > > showroom (for tuning etc). When I examined the piano
> > > closely I noticed
> > > > that the light colored horizontal wood panelling
> > > below the strings is
> > > > not perfectly flat and smooth to the touch, but the
> > > wood strips have
> > > > raised ridges between them, almost like the "cupping"
> > > that occurs when
> > > > hardwood floor strips become damaged from water. Its
> > > as though the
> > > > strips are too compressed against one another
> > > resulting in raised
> > > > edges. Other pianos (both Yamaha and other brands)
> > > that I looked at in
> > > > the showroom did not have this problem. The boards
> > > are flat and
> > > > smooth. The salesperson could not explain but agreed
> > > to look into it.
> > > > Has anyone encountered this? Is this a defect in the
> > > piano? Could this
> > > > be a moisture or humidity problem? Should I be
> > > concerned? Thanks!!
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Message 6
From: "Morris Smith" mdsatlanta@...
Date: Mon May 22, 2006 2:21pm(PDT)
Subject: Re: G or C?
Carol, you really need to do more research on these products. You are so
far out in left field trying to advise someone that Gs and Cs are similar.
They are completely different instruments. I have seen these instruments
grow and improve since the 60s, probably before you were born. Do some more
research and then advice and consul people, who know absoutely nothing about
instruments, in a more educated manner.
Carol Beigel <thecarolb@...> wrote: This is hard to
explain; especially since different models are distributed all over the
world, and often "newer" versions still have the same model number! The U1
upright is a good example of a piano that has changed many times in
different markets over the years, but still carries the model number of U1.
I can only speak for the G, C, and S models I have seen in the United
States. Years ago, Yamaha made a G series of grand pianos that were
marketed for home use. That means they were engineered and manufactured to
a price point not necessarily the best quality. The C series are better
pianos and higher priced; called Conservatory models. Then, there is the
best they can do, and those are the S series for those who are willing to
pay for a fabulous piano. I once saw an A series baby grand that was
wonderful, but it was not marketed in the U.S. It's all about price point
and what the customer will pay for.
As everything else in the world, piano manufacturers had to compete in a
market where people wanted to buy goods for cheap, so they had to come up
with pianos that people could buy for cheaper. The only way to do that is
to cut corners somewhere. You get what you pay for, but th
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