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transferring my music on disks to the computer

2006-11-27 by yamahamale

Hello, It's been so long since I've been here. I've got a Mark 4 Pro.
Using an IBM Windows98 with PowerTracks v11. I've had this piano for
maybe five years. I seem to have everything operating except when I
put a disk into the piano and press play, it doesn't register as
playing on the computer software. Everything else works like; when I
play something on the computer, it plays on the piano and when I play
something by hand on the piano, it plays on the computer. It's just
when I stick a disk into the piano and press play, the disk doesn't
play on the computer. It doesn't show up in the software program. This
is agravating becasue I have written a lot of music onto disks over
the years. Now I want to edit the scores but can't because I can't
seem to get the music from the disc into my computer software. I am
now wondering if this is even possible. I also have a laptop with XP
if that helps. It's not hooked up but I had it hooked up last week.
Maybe that would help? Also is there a book that I can purchase that
will explain hoooking up the piano in detail to the computer. I've got
the origianl manuals but I can't make heads or tails out of the
instructions. I know from the past, there are a lot of very
knowledgeable people in this group. Maybe one of them can help? Thanks
so much!!

Re: [disklavier] transferring my music on disks to the computer

2006-11-27 by Ron Natalie

yamahamale wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello, It's been so long since I've been here. I've got a Mark 4 Pro.
> Using an IBM Windows98 with PowerTracks v11. I've had this piano for
> maybe five years. 

It's unlikely you've had a Mark IV Pro for 5 years.  The Mark IV came
out in 2005. Are you sure of the model?   There's substantial
differences in the Mark IV versus previous versions of the Disklavier
electronics.

Re: [disklavier] transferring my music on disks to the computer

2006-11-27 by Carl Youngblood

I didn't think the Mark 4 Pro had been out for five years.

On Nov 27, 2006, at 8:57 AM, yamahamale wrote:

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Hello, It's been so long since I've been here. I've got a Mark 4 Pro.
Using an IBM Windows98 with PowerTracks v11. I've had this piano for
maybe five years. I seem to have everything operating except when I
put a disk into the piano and press play, it doesn't register as
playing on the computer software. Everything else works like; when I
play something on the computer, it plays on the piano and when I play
something by hand on the piano, it plays on the computer. It's just
when I stick a disk into the piano and press play, the disk doesn't
play on the computer. It doesn't show up in the software program. This
is agravating becasue I have written a lot of music onto disks over
the years. Now I want to edit the scores but can't because I can't
seem to get the music from the disc into my computer software. I am
now wondering if this is even possible. I also have a laptop with XP
if that helps. It's not hooked up but I had it hooked up last week.
Maybe that would help? Also is there a book that I can purchase that
will explain hoooking up the piano in detail to the computer. I've got
the origianl manuals but I can't make heads or tails out of the
instructions. I know from the past, there are a lot of very
knowledgeable people in this group. Maybe one of them can help? Thanks
so much!!

Re: transferring my music on disks to the computer

2006-11-27 by yamahamale

I suppose I have it wrong then. I looked but can't find anything in
the manual about what model I have other than the reciepts that say
it's a DC7A Pro. I would think it's a Mark 3 if it can't be a four. I
got it in 2003.
Back to my questions, is it possible to have a disk playing on the
piano then have my software recording it so I can edit the scores?
Thanks!

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Carl Youngblood <carl@...> wrote:

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>
> I didn't think the Mark 4 Pro had been out for five years.





> 
> On Nov 27, 2006, at 8:57 AM, yamahamale wrote:
> 
> > Hello, It's been so long since I've been here. I've got a Mark 4 Pro.
> > Using an IBM Windows98 with PowerTracks v11. I've had this piano for
> > maybe five years. I seem to have everything operating except when I
> > put a disk into the piano and press play, it doesn't register as
> > playing on the computer software. Everything else works like; when I
> > play something on the computer, it plays on the piano and when I play
> > something by hand on the piano, it plays on the computer. It's just
> > when I stick a disk into the piano and press play, the disk doesn't
> > play on the computer. It doesn't show up in the software program. This
> > is agravating becasue I have written a lot of music onto disks over
> > the years. Now I want to edit the scores but can't because I can't
> > seem to get the music from the disc into my computer software. I am
> > now wondering if this is even possible. I also have a laptop with XP
> > if that helps. It's not hooked up but I had it hooked up last week.
> > Maybe that would help? Also is there a book that I can purchase that
> > will explain hoooking up the piano in detail to the computer. I've got
> > the origianl manuals but I can't make heads or tails out of the
> > instructions. I know from the past, there are a lot of very
> > knowledgeable people in this group. Maybe one of them can help? Thanks
> > so much!!
>

Re: [disklavier] Re: transferring my music on disks to the computer

2006-11-27 by Carol Beigel

You probably have a MarkIIIPro.  I will give your
answer a try, but others may know a lot more!  When
your diskette is in your floppy drive, the MIDI
information is going to the Disklavier proccessor.  If
you want to edit the scores from the MIDI information
on the floppy disk, you can either bypass the
Disklavier and put the data into your sequencer
software, or play your disks in your Disklavier and
send the MIDI information (keyboard out) to your
computer via a MIDI interface.

I know when I do audio recordings of my own Disklavier,
I edit the MIDI information on the diskette before it
is played on the piano.  I edit the tempo, velocity and
wrong notes before the piano music gets recorded.

You say you have written a lot of music to disks over
the years.  How did you do this?  Was the music
recorded in standard MIDI format?  or Yamaha ESEQ
format?  or since you have a Pro, did you record your
music in XP format?  The PowerTracks software you are
using only sees MIDI information.

I think file format may have a lot to do with your
frustration.  Find out what format your music is in on
those disks, and go from there.  YOu may need to
convert to a different file format.  Of course, you
would make copies first and only play with them!

You will also need better scoring software because I
believe Power Tracks is limited to 2 lines of music.
Something like Finale might be more appropriate as it
gives you many tracks.  Scoring music is an art unto
itself, and Pianobench made a historic post about
clocking and how you don't have a chance unless you
understand this.

It all depends upon what you ultimately want to do!

Carol Beigel

----- Original Message -----
From: "yamahamale" <kwfla@...>
To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:32 PM
Subject: [disklavier] Re: transferring my music on
disks to the computer

> I suppose I have it wrong then. I looked but can't
find anything in
> the manual about what model I have other than the
reciepts that say
> it's a DC7A Pro. I would think it's a Mark 3 if it
can't be a four. I
> got it in 2003.
> Back to my questions, is it possible to have a disk
playing on the
> piano then have my software recording it so I can
edit the scores?
> Thanks!
>
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Carl Youngblood
<carl@...> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't think the Mark 4 Pro had been out for five
years.
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > On Nov 27, 2006, at 8:57 AM, yamahamale wrote:
> >
> > > Hello, It's been so long since I've been here.
I've got a Mark 4 Pro.
> > > Using an IBM Windows98 with PowerTracks v11. I've
had this piano for
> > > maybe five years. I seem to have everything
operating except when I
> > > put a disk into the piano and press play, it
doesn't register as
> > > playing on the computer software. Everything else
works like; when I
> > > play something on the computer, it plays on the
piano and when I play
> > > something by hand on the piano, it plays on the
computer. It's just
> > > when I stick a disk into the piano and press
play, the disk doesn't
> > > play on the computer. It doesn't show up in the
software program. This
> > > is agravating becasue I have written a lot of
music onto disks over
> > > the years. Now I want to edit the scores but
can't because I can't
> > > seem to get the music from the disc into my
computer software. I am
> > > now wondering if this is even possible. I also
have a laptop with XP
> > > if that helps. It's not hooked up but I had it
hooked up last week.
> > > Maybe that would help? Also is there a book that
I can purchase that
> > > will explain hoooking up the piano in detail to
the computer. I've got
> > > the origianl manuals but I can't make heads or
tails out of the
> > > instructions. I know from the past, there are a
lot of very
> > > knowledgeable people in this group. Maybe one of
them can help? Thanks
> > > so much!!
> >
>
>
>
>
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Re: transferring my music on disks to the computer

2006-11-28 by david962548

Hi

Why can't you just put the floppy into the PC?  If it is in the Eseq 
(.fil) format then there are many programs that will convert it to a 
midi file.

Midi Magic



--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "yamahamale" <kwfla@...> wrote:
>
> I suppose I have it wrong then. I looked but can't find anything in
> the manual about what model I have other than the reciepts that say
> it's a DC7A Pro. I would think it's a Mark 3 if it can't be a 
four. I
> got it in 2003.
> Back to my questions, is it possible to have a disk playing on the
> piano then have my software recording it so I can edit the scores?
> Thanks!
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Carl Youngblood <carl@> wrote:
> >
> > I didn't think the Mark 4 Pro had been out for five years.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > On Nov 27, 2006, at 8:57 AM, yamahamale wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello, It's been so long since I've been here. I've got a Mark 
4 Pro.
> > > Using an IBM Windows98 with PowerTracks v11. I've had this 
piano for
> > > maybe five years. I seem to have everything operating except 
when I
> > > put a disk into the piano and press play, it doesn't register 
as
> > > playing on the computer software. Everything else works like; 
when I
> > > play something on the computer, it plays on the piano and when 
I play
> > > something by hand on the piano, it plays on the computer. It's 
just
> > > when I stick a disk into the piano and press play, the disk 
doesn't
> > > play on the computer. It doesn't show up in the software 
program. This
> > > is agravating becasue I have written a lot of music onto disks 
over
> > > the years. Now I want to edit the scores but can't because I 
can't
> > > seem to get the music from the disc into my computer software. 
I am
> > > now wondering if this is even possible. I also have a laptop 
with XP
> > > if that helps. It's not hooked up but I had it hooked up last 
week.
> > > Maybe that would help? Also is there a book that I can 
purchase that
> > > will explain hoooking up the piano in detail to the computer. 
I've got
> > > the origianl manuals but I can't make heads or tails out of the
> > > instructions. I know from the past, there are a lot of very
> > > knowledgeable people in this group. Maybe one of them can 
help? Thanks

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> > > so much!!
> >
>

Re: transferring my music on disks to the computer

2006-11-29 by yamahamale

Thank you for the reply Carol. Maybe "score" was not the term to use.
I have been writing rock, slow rock, country and meditation. But some
of the music I have written include guitar as well as piano so maybe
score is the word to use on some of my work. I really haven't gotten
in depth with the Power Tracks software. I was assuming it would print
notation for all parts. I did have my XP hooked up to the piano. But
since I couldn't get my disks to show up in the software as it was
being played by the disklavier, I chose to go with Windows98 and see
if that would make a difference. Years ago I was told to use an eight
pin at the "To Host" port on the piano and a nine pin to the IBM PC's
serial port. I did that this time and set the switch on the back of
the control box to PC2. I have a lot of work that needs to be edited
in MIDI. It was all put on disks through the Disklavier so I am
guessing it is in Yamaha ESEQ format. I did not alter anything on the
piano after it arrived as far as file format goes. The Disklavier
allows me to record up to 99 files per floppy. I have tried putting a
recorded disk straight into the computer and it cannot be read by the
PC. When I do that, all I get is the PC asking me if I want to format
the disk. When I pull up the properties value on the disk, it tells me
there is nothing on the disk. So I think I need to get the ESEQ file
into MIDI format so that the software can read it. I did some
searching and found what I believe is your web site, www.carolrpt.com,
explaining a lot of things. I've been trying to get it all down today
while at the same time working. I think I need to download dkvutil and
use ESEQ2MID if I am reading right. But after reading one of your
pages, I'm not sure of what format I am recording to. I can record up
to 99 files onto a floppy. Your web page says, "How many songs can I
put on a floppy disk? About 99 standard MIDI files or 60 songs in
Yamaha ESEQ format"  If that is correct then I might be recording with
MIDI format instead of Yamaha ESEQ. But I would think that my software
would be able to read the Midi files. Is there a way I can find out
what format I have been recording to? I've been using IBM formatted
2SHD 1.44MB floppies. I've never had to format a disk before using it
in the Disklavier. Mike

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@...> wrote:

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>
> You probably have a MarkIIIPro.  I will give your
> answer a try, but others may know a lot more!  When
> your diskette is in your floppy drive, the MIDI
> information is going to the Disklavier proccessor.  If
> you want to edit the scores from the MIDI information
> on the floppy disk, you can either bypass the
> Disklavier and put the data into your sequencer
> software, or play your disks in your Disklavier and
> send the MIDI information (keyboard out) to your
> computer via a MIDI interface.
> 
> I know when I do audio recordings of my own Disklavier,
> I edit the MIDI information on the diskette before it
> is played on the piano.  I edit the tempo, velocity and
> wrong notes before the piano music gets recorded.
> 
> You say you have written a lot of music to disks over
> the years.  How did you do this?  Was the music
> recorded in standard MIDI format?  or Yamaha ESEQ
> format?  or since you have a Pro, did you record your
> music in XP format?  The PowerTracks software you are
> using only sees MIDI information.
> 
> I think file format may have a lot to do with your
> frustration.  Find out what format your music is in on
> those disks, and go from there.  YOu may need to
> convert to a different file format.  Of course, you
> would make copies first and only play with them!
> 
> You will also need better scoring software because I
> believe Power Tracks is limited to 2 lines of music.
> Something like Finale might be more appropriate as it
> gives you many tracks.  Scoring music is an art unto
> itself, and Pianobench made a historic post about
> clocking and how you don't have a chance unless you
> understand this.
> 
> It all depends upon what you ultimately want to do!
> 
> Carol Beigel
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "yamahamale" <kwfla@...>
> To: <disklavier@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 4:32 PM
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: transferring my music on
> disks to the computer
> 
> 
> > I suppose I have it wrong then. I looked but can't
> find anything in
> > the manual about what model I have other than the
> reciepts that say
> > it's a DC7A Pro. I would think it's a Mark 3 if it
> can't be a four. I
> > got it in 2003.
> > Back to my questions, is it possible to have a disk
> playing on the
> > piano then have my software recording it so I can
> edit the scores?
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, Carl Youngblood
> <carl@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I didn't think the Mark 4 Pro had been out for five
> years.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > On Nov 27, 2006, at 8:57 AM, yamahamale wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello, It's been so long since I've been here.
> I've got a Mark 4 Pro.
> > > > Using an IBM Windows98 with PowerTracks v11. I've
> had this piano for
> > > > maybe five years. I seem to have everything
> operating except when I
> > > > put a disk into the piano and press play, it
> doesn't register as
> > > > playing on the computer software. Everything else
> works like; when I
> > > > play something on the computer, it plays on the
> piano and when I play
> > > > something by hand on the piano, it plays on the
> computer. It's just
> > > > when I stick a disk into the piano and press
> play, the disk doesn't
> > > > play on the computer. It doesn't show up in the
> software program. This
> > > > is agravating becasue I have written a lot of
> music onto disks over
> > > > the years. Now I want to edit the scores but
> can't because I can't
> > > > seem to get the music from the disc into my
> computer software. I am
> > > > now wondering if this is even possible. I also
> have a laptop with XP
> > > > if that helps. It's not hooked up but I had it
> hooked up last week.
> > > > Maybe that would help? Also is there a book that
> I can purchase that
> > > > will explain hoooking up the piano in detail to
> the computer. I've got
> > > > the origianl manuals but I can't make heads or
> tails out of the
> > > > instructions. I know from the past, there are a
> lot of very
> > > > knowledgeable people in this group. Maybe one of
> them can help? Thanks
> > > > so much!!
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To Post a message to the group, send it to:
> disklavier@...
> >
> > To Post a private message to Todd Muncy, the group's
> founder and moderator, send it to:
> > disklavier-owner@...
> >
> > To reach our group's web site go to:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier
> >
> > Todd's family web site was completely updated
> 012/22/03.  It contains some fun disklavier content and
> links to midi sites among many other things, The url
> is:
> > http://MuncyFamily.com
> >
> > THINKING OF LEAVING THE GROUP?
> > If you are thinking of unsubcribing because you are
> getting too much mail, go the the web site and change
> your email delivery option instead.  That will fix the
> problem, while maintaining your access to the group.
> If you insist on leaving us completely send a blank
> email to:
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> >
> > Know someone who wants to join?  Have them send a
> blank email to:
> > disklavier-subscribe@... or give them this
> link:
> > http://Yahoogroups.com/group/disklavier/join
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [disklavier] Re: transferring my music on disks to the computer

2006-11-29 by Carol Beigel

There are also 2 MIDI formats; 0 and 1.  However, I see
no reason to not put a disk into your Disklavier (no
matter what format), play it, and have  the MIDI output
of the DKV routed to the MIDI input of your computer
through the ToHost port.  Are you using the Yamaha CBX
cable to do this?  If so, did you install the driver
for it onto your computer? (The driver for it is also
available on my website).  Then the trick is to go into
the Device setup on your computer software, and select
the Input and Output devices.   I believe you would
select the CBX driver for the MIDI input to your
computer.  This really should work.  Probably all you
need to do is follow the instructions for the computer
software about recording MIDI.

Carol

Re: transferring my music on disks to the computer

2006-11-29 by yamahamale

I'm using a Yamaha IBM cable and I have the CBX driver installed and
highlighted in the software. Software seems to be reading MIDI files
fine. The software plays whenever I manually play the piano. When I
play the software, the piano plays. My situation is getting the
software to recognize the disks that I put into the disklavier. I
would think if I was recording in MIDI format, the software would see
it and play but it doesn't. I'll try looking into the software help
again. Is there anyway that I can tell what format I am recording to
on the disklavier?

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@...> wrote:

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>
> There are also 2 MIDI formats; 0 and 1.  However, I see
> no reason to not put a disk into your Disklavier (no
> matter what format), play it, and have  the MIDI output
> of the DKV routed to the MIDI input of your computer
> through the ToHost port.  Are you using the Yamaha CBX
> cable to do this?  If so, did you install the driver
> for it onto your computer? (The driver for it is also
> available on my website).  Then the trick is to go into
> the Device setup on your computer software, and select
> the Input and Output devices.   I believe you would
> select the CBX driver for the MIDI input to your
> computer.  This really should work.  Probably all you
> need to do is follow the instructions for the computer
> software about recording MIDI.
> 
> Carol
>

Re: [disklavier] Re: transferring my music on disks to the computer

2006-11-29 by George F. Litterst

Good morning, everyone.

I believe that you have a Mark III vintage Pro. That is what the "A"  
at the end of the model number tells us.

In the case of most Disklaviers, there is a choice that you can make  
for MIDI Out that gives you either Keyboard Out or Ensemble Out. The  
latter means that when you play a disk, the MIDI data is sent out the  
MIDI port.

To make this setting on a Mark II XG or Mark III:

--Press Function
--Move the cursor to MIDI Setup and press Enter
--Move the cursor to MIDI Out and press Enter
--Set MIDI Out to Ensemble Out
--Press Stop to exit

At this point, when you play a disk, all of the MIDI data will be  
sent out the MIDI port EXCEPT the data on the tracks that are being  
played by the piano. This feature enables you to use an external tone  
generator as an alternative to the Disklavier's own tone generator  
for the ensemble track. (Depending upon what you are doing, you may  
want to turn off the speakers that are connected to your Disklavier's  
tone generator.

If you also want to send the piano tracks out to an external device:

--Press Function
--Move the cursor to MIDI Setup and press Enter
--Move the cursor to Piano Part and press Enter
--Press the Right Arrow repeatedly to get to the next screen
--Move the cursor to PianoPart ESBL Out and set it equal to ON
--Press Stop to exit

Now the piano tracks will be sent as well when you play a disk  
recording.

NOTE: This feature only sends MIDI data out on the MIDI Out port. It  
does not send MIDI data out on the To Host port.

Regards,
PianoBench

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On Nov 29, 2006, at 7:57 AM, yamahamale wrote:

> I'm using a Yamaha IBM cable and I have the CBX driver installed and
> highlighted in the software. Software seems to be reading MIDI files
> fine. The software plays whenever I manually play the piano. When I
> play the software, the piano plays. My situation is getting the
> software to recognize the disks that I put into the disklavier. I
> would think if I was recording in MIDI format, the software would see
> it and play but it doesn't. I'll try looking into the software help
> again. Is there anyway that I can tell what format I am recording to
> on the disklavier?
>
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@...>  
> wrote:
> >
> > There are also 2 MIDI formats; 0 and 1. However, I see
> > no reason to not put a disk into your Disklavier (no
> > matter what format), play it, and have the MIDI output
> > of the DKV routed to the MIDI input of your computer
> > through the ToHost port. Are you using the Yamaha CBX
> > cable to do this? If so, did you install the driver
> > for it onto your computer? (The driver for it is also
> > available on my website). Then the trick is to go into
> > the Device setup on your computer software, and select
> > the Input and Output devices. I believe you would
> > select the CBX driver for the MIDI input to your
> > computer. This really should work. Probably all you
> > need to do is follow the instructions for the computer
> > software about recording MIDI.

Re: [disklavier] Re: transferring my music on disks to the computer

2006-11-29 by George F. Litterst

Good morning, again.

Mike, in my previous message, I provided a procedure for sending MIDI  
data from the Disklavier to an external device when you are playing a  
song file on disk. I would like to point out that if your objective  
is to transcribe the output into music notation, you have a lot of  
work ahead of you.

Regardless as to whether you transfer the MIDI data from disk to  
computer in real time or find a way to read the disk in your computer  
and convert the data to a MIDI file, you will find that the data will  
not line up to logical beats and barlines in your sequencer or music  
notation program. This means that the music notation will appear in  
coherent.

Although it is possible to reclock such a file (in order to align the  
notes to logical beats and barlines and still maintain the music  
integrity of the original performance on playback), that can be a lot  
of work.

There are, however, lots of MIDI files on the Internet whose data is  
properly aligned to logical beats and barlines.

Regards,
PianoBench

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On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:12 PM, yamahamale wrote:

> Thank you for the reply Carol. Maybe "score" was not the term to use.
> I have been writing rock, slow rock, country and meditation. But some
> of the music I have written include guitar as well as piano so maybe
> score is the word to use on some of my work. I really haven't gotten
> in depth with the Power Tracks software. I was assuming it would print
> notation for all parts. I did have my XP hooked up to the piano. But
> since I couldn't get my disks to show up in the software as it was
> being played by the disklavier, I chose to go with Windows98 and see
> if that would make a difference. Years ago I was told to use an eight
> pin at the "To Host" port on the piano and a nine pin to the IBM PC's
> serial port. I did that this time and set the switch on the back of
> the control box to PC2. I have a lot of work that needs to be edited
> in MIDI. It was all put on disks through the Disklavier so I am
> guessing it is in Yamaha ESEQ format. I did not alter anything on the
> piano after it arrived as far as file format goes. The Disklavier
> allows me to record up to 99 files per floppy. I have tried putting a
> recorded disk straight into the computer and it cannot be read by the
> PC. When I do that, all I get is the PC asking me if I want to format
> the disk. When I pull up the properties value on the disk, it tells me
> there is nothing on the disk. So I think I need to get the ESEQ file
> into MIDI format so that the software can read it. I did some
> searching and found what I believe is your web site, www.carolrpt.com,
> explaining a lot of things. I've been trying to get it all down today
> while at the same time working. I think I need to download dkvutil and
> use ESEQ2MID if I am reading right. But after reading one of your
> pages, I'm not sure of what format I am recording to. I can record up
> to 99 files onto a floppy. Your web page says, "How many songs can I
> put on a floppy disk? About 99 standard MIDI files or 60 songs in
> Yamaha ESEQ format" If that is correct then I might be recording with
> MIDI format instead of Yamaha ESEQ. But I would think that my software
> would be able to read the Midi files. Is there a way I can find out
> what format I have been recording to? I've been using IBM formatted
> 2SHD 1.44MB floppies. I've never had to format a disk before using it
> in the Disklavier. Mike

Re: [disklavier] transferring my music on disks to the computer

2006-11-29 by George F. Litterst

Hi again.

On Nov 27, 2006, at 10:57 AM, yamahamale wrote:

It's just
when I stick a disk into the piano and press play, the disk doesn't
play on the computer. It doesn't show up in the software program. This
is agravating becasue I have written a lot of music onto disks over
the years. Now I want to edit the scores but can't because I can't
seem to get the music from the disc into my computer software.

An addendum to my previous message about the need to reclock the MIDI files:

If you have made your own recordings and did so while playing to the metronome, then your notes probably align to logical beats and barlines. However, during the real time transfer process to computer (when you are playing the file on the Disklavier), the computer which captures the data will not be recording with its clock in sync with the Disklavier's clock and you will lose the alignment. There is a fix for this that I can describe if your recording was made to a metronome.

Regards,

PianoBench

Re: transferring my music on disks to the computer

2006-11-29 by david962548

Hi Mike

Seeing as you say "I have tried putting a recorded disk straight 
into the computer and it cannot be read by the PC. When I do that, 
all I get is the PC asking me if I want to format the disk."

This would suggest that the disk has copy protection on it but, it 
is your OWN disk so it can't be that.

I would suggest that the floppy drive heads are slightly out of 
align between your DKV and the PC. Is it possible to make a copy of 
the disk using the DKV with a floppy formated in the PC.

There is a program on Carol's site called RootARipper at
http://www.carolrpt.com/softwaredwnld.htm

This may help as it reads the disk without looking at the disk's FAT.

Midi Magic

Re: transferring my music on disks to the computer

2006-11-30 by yamahamale

Thank you Piano Bench for the info. This info was if I had 
MIDI-IN/out connected. I don't. I'm using the "To Host".
Your input was not wasted however. I will be using that in the future
when I upgrade the PC.
  I'm now wondering if it is even possible to use the "To Host"
connection and be able to get the piano part onto the PC software as
the disk plays. I can hook up the MIDI-IN/out but this is my
reasoning. I started with MIDI-In/out using an M-Audio Uno USB MIDI
interface. I had the same problem with it then as I do now. I could do
everything but get the disk that's playing on the piano to show up in
the software program on the PC. Now with Piano Benches instructions,
it looks like I will be able to do that. But when I use the USB
M-Audio, I am constantly having to reboot the pianos control panel or
restart the software or both. It seems for some reason the drivers for
the M-Audio are continually not recognized as the ones to use on the
software. When I use the "To Host" connection with the Yamaha IBM
cable at "To Host" I never have a problem with having to reboot either
the piano or software on the piano. So this is why I am still on the
hunt of how to get the disks that I play on the piano to be read, in
realtime or near it, by the PC's software.

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "George F. Litterst"
<PianoBench@...> wrote:

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>
> Good morning, everyone.
> 
> I believe that you have a Mark III vintage Pro. That is what the "A"  
> at the end of the model number tells us.
> 
> In the case of most Disklaviers, there is a choice that you can make  
> for MIDI Out that gives you either Keyboard Out or Ensemble Out. The  
> latter means that when you play a disk, the MIDI data is sent out the  
> MIDI port.
> 
> To make this setting on a Mark II XG or Mark III:
> 
> --Press Function
> --Move the cursor to MIDI Setup and press Enter
> --Move the cursor to MIDI Out and press Enter
> --Set MIDI Out to Ensemble Out
> --Press Stop to exit
> 
> At this point, when you play a disk, all of the MIDI data will be  
> sent out the MIDI port EXCEPT the data on the tracks that are being  
> played by the piano. This feature enables you to use an external tone  
> generator as an alternative to the Disklavier's own tone generator  
> for the ensemble track. (Depending upon what you are doing, you may  
> want to turn off the speakers that are connected to your Disklavier's  
> tone generator.
> 
> If you also want to send the piano tracks out to an external device:
> 
> --Press Function
> --Move the cursor to MIDI Setup and press Enter
> --Move the cursor to Piano Part and press Enter
> --Press the Right Arrow repeatedly to get to the next screen
> --Move the cursor to PianoPart ESBL Out and set it equal to ON
> --Press Stop to exit
> 
> Now the piano tracks will be sent as well when you play a disk  
> recording.
> 
> NOTE: This feature only sends MIDI data out on the MIDI Out port. It  
> does not send MIDI data out on the To Host port.
> 
> Regards,
> PianoBench
> 
> On Nov 29, 2006, at 7:57 AM, yamahamale wrote:
> 
> > I'm using a Yamaha IBM cable and I have the CBX driver installed and
> > highlighted in the software. Software seems to be reading MIDI files
> > fine. The software plays whenever I manually play the piano. When I
> > play the software, the piano plays. My situation is getting the
> > software to recognize the disks that I put into the disklavier. I
> > would think if I was recording in MIDI format, the software would see
> > it and play but it doesn't. I'll try looking into the software help
> > again. Is there anyway that I can tell what format I am recording to
> > on the disklavier?
> >
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@>  
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > There are also 2 MIDI formats; 0 and 1. However, I see
> > > no reason to not put a disk into your Disklavier (no
> > > matter what format), play it, and have the MIDI output
> > > of the DKV routed to the MIDI input of your computer
> > > through the ToHost port. Are you using the Yamaha CBX
> > > cable to do this? If so, did you install the driver
> > > for it onto your computer? (The driver for it is also
> > > available on my website). Then the trick is to go into
> > > the Device setup on your computer software, and select
> > > the Input and Output devices. I believe you would
> > > select the CBX driver for the MIDI input to your
> > > computer. This really should work. Probably all you
> > > need to do is follow the instructions for the computer
> > > software about recording MIDI.
>

Re: [disklavier] Re: transferring my music on disks to the computer

2006-11-30 by George F. Litterst

Good evening, everyone.

As both a MIDI software developer and a user of USB MIDI interfaces,  
I can understand your frustration.

USB is an allegedly smart protocol. Unlike the case with serial  
connections, for example, a computer wants to know exactly what is at  
the other end of a USB connection. The installed MIDI driver tells  
the computer what is at the other end, what it is capable of doing, etc.

I have been particularly frustrated with Windows computers when using  
USB MIDI interfaces. After installing the driver and successfully  
using the device, the connection sometimes appears to be unavailable.  
In the worst situations, the Installation Wizard pops up, tells you  
that it has found new hardware, and offers to help you install a driver.

Here are some of the problems and solutions that work some of the time:

--If possible, leave the interface in place, and especially have it  
connected when you start your computer. In my non-scientific  
experience, it seems as though USB interfaces are more stable when  
connected continuously when connected to a desktop computer than when  
frequently connected/disconnected from a laptop.

--Run just one MIDI application at a time on a Windows computer.  
(This is not a problem on a Mac under OS X!) Many MIDI drivers on  
Windows do not support more than one MIDI application at a time. An  
exception are Roland USB interfaces (as well as Roland keyboards that  
offer a direct USB connection to the computer). They support multiple  
MIDI applications running simultaneously.

--If your MIDI application crashes, it has probably not released the  
MIDI interface to be used by another application. Therefore, the next  
MIDI application that you run will not find the interface. The only  
solution is to restart the computer.

--When your computer does not recognize the interface, sometime  
unplugging it from the computer and then plugging it back in will fix  
the problem. Sometimes plugging into another USB port will cause the  
computer to pay attention. When all else fails, restart the computer.

yamahamale , unfortunately, as you have discovered, the task that you  
wish to accomplish is simply not available using the To Host port on  
the Disklavier.

Regards,
PianoBench

George F. Litterst
TimeWarp Technologies
"changing the tempo in music software"
GLitterst@...
www.timewarptech.com

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On Nov 29, 2006, at 7:38 PM, yamahamale wrote:

> Thank you Piano Bench for the info. This info was if I had
> MIDI-IN/out connected. I don't. I'm using the "To Host".
> Your input was not wasted however. I will be using that in the future
> when I upgrade the PC.
> I'm now wondering if it is even possible to use the "To Host"
> connection and be able to get the piano part onto the PC software as
> the disk plays. I can hook up the MIDI-IN/out but this is my
> reasoning. I started with MIDI-In/out using an M-Audio Uno USB MIDI
> interface. I had the same problem with it then as I do now. I could do
> everything but get the disk that's playing on the piano to show up in
> the software program on the PC. Now with Piano Benches instructions,
> it looks like I will be able to do that. But when I use the USB
> M-Audio, I am constantly having to reboot the pianos control panel or
> restart the software or both. It seems for some reason the drivers for
> the M-Audio are continually not recognized as the ones to use on the
> software. When I use the "To Host" connection with the Yamaha IBM
> cable at "To Host" I never have a problem with having to reboot either
> the piano or software on the piano. So this is why I am still on the
> hunt of how to get the disks that I play on the piano to be read, in
> realtime or near it, by the PC's software.
>
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "George F. Litterst"
> <PianoBench@...> wrote:
> >
> > Good morning, everyone.
> >
> > I believe that you have a Mark III vintage Pro. That is what the "A"
> > at the end of the model number tells us.
> >
> > In the case of most Disklaviers, there is a choice that you can make
> > for MIDI Out that gives you either Keyboard Out or Ensemble Out. The
> > latter means that when you play a disk, the MIDI data is sent out  
> the
> > MIDI port.
> >
> > To make this setting on a Mark II XG or Mark III:
> >
> > --Press Function
> > --Move the cursor to MIDI Setup and press Enter
> > --Move the cursor to MIDI Out and press Enter
> > --Set MIDI Out to Ensemble Out
> > --Press Stop to exit
> >
> > At this point, when you play a disk, all of the MIDI data will be
> > sent out the MIDI port EXCEPT the data on the tracks that are being
> > played by the piano. This feature enables you to use an external  
> tone
> > generator as an alternative to the Disklavier's own tone generator
> > for the ensemble track. (Depending upon what you are doing, you may
> > want to turn off the speakers that are connected to your  
> Disklavier's
> > tone generator.
> >
> > If you also want to send the piano tracks out to an external device:
> >
> > --Press Function
> > --Move the cursor to MIDI Setup and press Enter
> > --Move the cursor to Piano Part and press Enter
> > --Press the Right Arrow repeatedly to get to the next screen
> > --Move the cursor to PianoPart ESBL Out and set it equal to ON
> > --Press Stop to exit
> >
> > Now the piano tracks will be sent as well when you play a disk
> > recording.
> >
> > NOTE: This feature only sends MIDI data out on the MIDI Out port. It
> > does not send MIDI data out on the To Host port.
> >
> > Regards,
> > PianoBench
> >
> > On Nov 29, 2006, at 7:57 AM, yamahamale wrote:
> >
> > > I'm using a Yamaha IBM cable and I have the CBX driver  
> installed and
> > > highlighted in the software. Software seems to be reading MIDI  
> files
> > > fine. The software plays whenever I manually play the piano.  
> When I
> > > play the software, the piano plays. My situation is getting the
> > > software to recognize the disks that I put into the disklavier. I
> > > would think if I was recording in MIDI format, the software  
> would see
> > > it and play but it doesn't. I'll try looking into the software  
> help
> > > again. Is there anyway that I can tell what format I am  
> recording to
> > > on the disklavier?
> > >
> > > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There are also 2 MIDI formats; 0 and 1. However, I see
> > > > no reason to not put a disk into your Disklavier (no
> > > > matter what format), play it, and have the MIDI output
> > > > of the DKV routed to the MIDI input of your computer
> > > > through the ToHost port. Are you using the Yamaha CBX
> > > > cable to do this? If so, did you install the driver
> > > > for it onto your computer? (The driver for it is also
> > > > available on my website). Then the trick is to go into
> > > > the Device setup on your computer software, and select
> > > > the Input and Output devices. I believe you would
> > > > select the CBX driver for the MIDI input to your
> > > > computer. This really should work. Probably all you
> > > > need to do is follow the instructions for the computer
> > > > software about recording MIDI.

Re: transferring my music on disks to the computer

2006-11-30 by yamahamale

PianoBench, I made all the adjustments as you stated. I reinstalled
the USB MIDI interface. The first time I ever used this device was
through Windows XP. The PC I am now using is Windows98SE. My XP is a
laptop that is too much trouble to consider connecting because I use
it on the road. The Win98SE is a desktop sitting under the piano.
Hence it is the one I would like to use. After getting everything set
up, I could see the notes in the software being played as they were
played on the disk in the piano. But I couldn't see notes played on
the piano without the disk unless I pressed the record button on the
piano control box. Just pressing "Record" was enough to make what I
was playing, show up in the software realtime. I didn't have to press
"Play" and actually record. After a minute of this, the piano keys I
pressed started showing up on the software w/o using a disk but the
keys were severely out of time, some bunched together and others just
didn't show up. I have the switch on the back of the piano set to
MIDI. I tried rebooting the piano and then my control box would not
power up. It was getting power because the control panel was lighting
up but no alpha or numerics were showing up as should be. When I
unplugged the MIDI In/Out cables from the back of the control box, the
piano started to powerup like it should. Out of frustration I took the
disk and popped it into my XP laptop and voila it read the disk. I
took the same disk and put it in the Win98SE OC and the disk was read
there also. I don't know what took place to allow me to now read the
disks on the PC's. I deleted a lot of software on both, mostly the
98SE, and made some software changes to my XP firewall and deleted the
firewall on the 98SE. If all else fails, I now at least have a way of
reading my disks and editing them. Hoorah! When I get the time, I'm
going to give the MIDI interface one more try by rebooting everything.
It would be nice to be able to do it all but if it doesn't work, I'll
skip it and stay with the "To Host" port. I was mostly concerned that
I couldn't edit my disks. Many thanks for participating in trying to
help! Much appreciated!

--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "George F. Litterst"
<PianoBench@...> wrote:

Show quoted textHide quoted text

>
> Good evening, everyone.
> 
> As both a MIDI software developer and a user of USB MIDI interfaces,  
> I can understand your frustration.
> 
> USB is an allegedly smart protocol. Unlike the case with serial  
> connections, for example, a computer wants to know exactly what is at  
> the other end of a USB connection. The installed MIDI driver tells  
> the computer what is at the other end, what it is capable of doing, etc.
> 
> I have been particularly frustrated with Windows computers when using  
> USB MIDI interfaces. After installing the driver and successfully  
> using the device, the connection sometimes appears to be unavailable.  
> In the worst situations, the Installation Wizard pops up, tells you  
> that it has found new hardware, and offers to help you install a driver.
> 
> Here are some of the problems and solutions that work some of the time:
> 
> --If possible, leave the interface in place, and especially have it  
> connected when you start your computer. In my non-scientific  
> experience, it seems as though USB interfaces are more stable when  
> connected continuously when connected to a desktop computer than when  
> frequently connected/disconnected from a laptop.
> 
> --Run just one MIDI application at a time on a Windows computer.  
> (This is not a problem on a Mac under OS X!) Many MIDI drivers on  
> Windows do not support more than one MIDI application at a time. An  
> exception are Roland USB interfaces (as well as Roland keyboards that  
> offer a direct USB connection to the computer). They support multiple  
> MIDI applications running simultaneously.
> 
> --If your MIDI application crashes, it has probably not released the  
> MIDI interface to be used by another application. Therefore, the next  
> MIDI application that you run will not find the interface. The only  
> solution is to restart the computer.
> 
> --When your computer does not recognize the interface, sometime  
> unplugging it from the computer and then plugging it back in will fix  
> the problem. Sometimes plugging into another USB port will cause the  
> computer to pay attention. When all else fails, restart the computer.
> 
> yamahamale , unfortunately, as you have discovered, the task that you  
> wish to accomplish is simply not available using the To Host port on  
> the Disklavier.
> 
> Regards,
> PianoBench
> 
> George F. Litterst
> TimeWarp Technologies
> "changing the tempo in music software"
> GLitterst@...
> www.timewarptech.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 29, 2006, at 7:38 PM, yamahamale wrote:
> 
> > Thank you Piano Bench for the info. This info was if I had
> > MIDI-IN/out connected. I don't. I'm using the "To Host".
> > Your input was not wasted however. I will be using that in the future
> > when I upgrade the PC.
> > I'm now wondering if it is even possible to use the "To Host"
> > connection and be able to get the piano part onto the PC software as
> > the disk plays. I can hook up the MIDI-IN/out but this is my
> > reasoning. I started with MIDI-In/out using an M-Audio Uno USB MIDI
> > interface. I had the same problem with it then as I do now. I could do
> > everything but get the disk that's playing on the piano to show up in
> > the software program on the PC. Now with Piano Benches instructions,
> > it looks like I will be able to do that. But when I use the USB
> > M-Audio, I am constantly having to reboot the pianos control panel or
> > restart the software or both. It seems for some reason the drivers for
> > the M-Audio are continually not recognized as the ones to use on the
> > software. When I use the "To Host" connection with the Yamaha IBM
> > cable at "To Host" I never have a problem with having to reboot either
> > the piano or software on the piano. So this is why I am still on the
> > hunt of how to get the disks that I play on the piano to be read, in
> > realtime or near it, by the PC's software.
> >
> > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "George F. Litterst"
> > <PianoBench@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Good morning, everyone.
> > >
> > > I believe that you have a Mark III vintage Pro. That is what the "A"
> > > at the end of the model number tells us.
> > >
> > > In the case of most Disklaviers, there is a choice that you can make
> > > for MIDI Out that gives you either Keyboard Out or Ensemble Out. The
> > > latter means that when you play a disk, the MIDI data is sent out  
> > the
> > > MIDI port.
> > >
> > > To make this setting on a Mark II XG or Mark III:
> > >
> > > --Press Function
> > > --Move the cursor to MIDI Setup and press Enter
> > > --Move the cursor to MIDI Out and press Enter
> > > --Set MIDI Out to Ensemble Out
> > > --Press Stop to exit
> > >
> > > At this point, when you play a disk, all of the MIDI data will be
> > > sent out the MIDI port EXCEPT the data on the tracks that are being
> > > played by the piano. This feature enables you to use an external  
> > tone
> > > generator as an alternative to the Disklavier's own tone generator
> > > for the ensemble track. (Depending upon what you are doing, you may
> > > want to turn off the speakers that are connected to your  
> > Disklavier's
> > > tone generator.
> > >
> > > If you also want to send the piano tracks out to an external device:
> > >
> > > --Press Function
> > > --Move the cursor to MIDI Setup and press Enter
> > > --Move the cursor to Piano Part and press Enter
> > > --Press the Right Arrow repeatedly to get to the next screen
> > > --Move the cursor to PianoPart ESBL Out and set it equal to ON
> > > --Press Stop to exit
> > >
> > > Now the piano tracks will be sent as well when you play a disk
> > > recording.
> > >
> > > NOTE: This feature only sends MIDI data out on the MIDI Out port. It
> > > does not send MIDI data out on the To Host port.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > PianoBench
> > >
> > > On Nov 29, 2006, at 7:57 AM, yamahamale wrote:
> > >
> > > > I'm using a Yamaha IBM cable and I have the CBX driver  
> > installed and
> > > > highlighted in the software. Software seems to be reading MIDI  
> > files
> > > > fine. The software plays whenever I manually play the piano.  
> > When I
> > > > play the software, the piano plays. My situation is getting the
> > > > software to recognize the disks that I put into the disklavier. I
> > > > would think if I was recording in MIDI format, the software  
> > would see
> > > > it and play but it doesn't. I'll try looking into the software  
> > help
> > > > again. Is there anyway that I can tell what format I am  
> > recording to
> > > > on the disklavier?
> > > >
> > > > --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Carol Beigel" <thecarolb@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > There are also 2 MIDI formats; 0 and 1. However, I see
> > > > > no reason to not put a disk into your Disklavier (no
> > > > > matter what format), play it, and have the MIDI output
> > > > > of the DKV routed to the MIDI input of your computer
> > > > > through the ToHost port. Are you using the Yamaha CBX
> > > > > cable to do this? If so, did you install the driver
> > > > > for it onto your computer? (The driver for it is also
> > > > > available on my website). Then the trick is to go into
> > > > > the Device setup on your computer software, and select
> > > > > the Input and Output devices. I believe you would
> > > > > select the CBX driver for the MIDI input to your
> > > > > computer. This really should work. Probably all you
> > > > > need to do is follow the instructions for the computer
> > > > > software about recording MIDI.
>