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Is it possible to upgrade a Mark III Pro to a Mark IV Pro? Does Yamaha
support this?

Hi,

it is not possible to upgrade a piano from any Disklavier range to a later one. Even if it were physically possible adapt an older piano to fit parts from a later range, you'd have to change every single part, which would cost you a lot more than throwing out the old piano and buying an later one.

Adrian Thomas

On Dec 3 2006, yamahamale wrote:

>Is it possible to upgrade a Mark III Pro to a Mark IV Pro? Does Yamaha
>support this?
>
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Hi,

It is a shame that Yamaha don't offer a MarkIV style control unit and 
tablet/pda for existing users, a la DSR1. That would be a big win imo. I 
would imagine that most people want to upgrade the functionality, not 
the actual piano (ie I love my piano and its tone, why would I ever 
change it?). It would be a way of getting a "Mark IV" upright then too I 
guess - not everyone has room for a grand :)


Regards

James

Adrian Thomas wrote:

>
>
> Hi,
>
> it is not possible to upgrade a piano from any Disklavier range to a 
> later one. Even if it were physically possible adapt an older piano to 
> fit parts from a later range, you'd have to change every single part, 
> which would cost you a lot more than throwing out the old piano and 
> buying an later one.
>
>
> Adrian Thomas
>
> On Dec 3 2006, yamahamale wrote:
>
> >Is it possible to upgrade a Mark III Pro to a Mark IV Pro? Does Yamaha
> >support this?
> >
> >
> >
> >To Post a message to the group, send it to: disklavier@...
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--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "yamahamale" <needssorting@...> 
wrote:
>
> Is it possible to upgrade a Mark III Pro to a Mark IV Pro? Does 
Yamaha
> support this?

They do not.  In fact, when I purchased my DC3A, part of the "sale" 
was how Yamaha always provided an upgrade path for the control 
devices (e.g. adding CD capability, etc.).  I understood that the 
internal components of the piano can not be easily be upgraded (e.g. 
solenoids, silent system).  However, Yamaha COULD provide a complete 
replacement for the Mark III control box to have Mark IV 
capabilities, but obviously they have decided not to.  A real shame 
in my humble opinion.  There "upgrade path" ended with the Mark 
IIIs.... My only upgrade option now is to purchase a new piano.  
Horrible customer focus.  SJ

I agree, I would love to be able to upgrade my Mark III to some of the
latest technology. Maybe if enough mark III users were to take it to Yamaha
via Bill Brandon then maybe they might reconsider?

Gary

On 5/12/06 17:00, "sjhart110110" <sjhart110@...> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "yamahamale" <needssorting@...>
> wrote:
>> >
>> > Is it possible to upgrade a Mark III Pro to a Mark IV Pro? Does
> Yamaha
>> > support this?
> 
> They do not.  In fact, when I purchased my DC3A, part of the "sale"
> was how Yamaha always provided an upgrade path for the control
> devices (e.g. adding CD capability, etc.).  I understood that the
> internal components of the piano can not be easily be upgraded (e.g.
> solenoids, silent system).  However, Yamaha COULD provide a complete
> replacement for the Mark III control box to have Mark IV
> capabilities, but obviously they have decided not to.  A real shame
> in my humble opinion.  There "upgrade path" ended with the Mark
> IIIs.... My only upgrade option now is to purchase a new piano.
> Horrible customer focus.  SJ
> 
>  
>

James Fry wrote:

> It is a shame that Yamaha don't offer a MarkIV style control unit 

Most of what the MarkIV does you can do with an outboard computer
of your own (and possibly do a better job).  The PDA frankly always
seemed a bit klunky to me.

I looked at it long and hard when I bought mine...but the option of
paying $27K for a pristine two year old DC5A versus paying over three
times that for a MarkIV made the decision for me.

Here, hear.

 

I was told the same ... my DC6A Mark III would be fully upgradeable and now
I am looking at $70K upgrade!!!!

 

--Aaron in SF

 

  _____  

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of sjhart110110
Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:38 AM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [disklavier] Re: Possible to upgrade a Mark III Pro to a Mark IV
Pro?

 

--- In disklavier@yahoogro <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> ups.com,
"yamahamale" <needssorting@...> 
wrote:
>
> Is it possible to upgrade a Mark III Pro to a Mark IV Pro? Does 
Yamaha
> support this?

They do not. In fact, when I purchased my DC3A, part of the "sale" 
was how Yamaha always provided an upgrade path for the control 
devices (e.g. adding CD capability, etc.). I understood that the 
internal components of the piano can not be easily be upgraded (e.g. 
solenoids, silent system). However, Yamaha COULD provide a complete 
replacement for the Mark III control box to have Mark IV 
capabilities, but obviously they have decided not to. A real shame 
in my humble opinion. There "upgrade path" ended with the Mark 
IIIs.... My only upgrade option now is to purchase a new piano. 
Horrible customer focus. SJ

Hi Ron,

Yes, I can do better with an outboard computer. But I cannot play back 
pianosoft plus cds, I can't do pianosmart, it isn't a nice, small, 
combined unit. Plus there are loads of people out there without a 
technical background that would love a plug and play solution. Look at 
all those people that buy tivos - you get far more power building your 
own system, but it's just too much hassle / clunky for most people.

James

Ron Natalie wrote:

>
> James Fry wrote:
>
> > It is a shame that Yamaha don't offer a MarkIV style control unit
>
> Most of what the MarkIV does you can do with an outboard computer
> of your own (and possibly do a better job). The PDA frankly always
> seemed a bit klunky to me.
>
> I looked at it long and hard when I bought mine...but the option of
> paying $27K for a pristine two year old DC5A versus paying over three
> times that for a MarkIV made the decision for me.
>
>

Good afternoon, everyone.

If you have a Mark III or an earlier Disklavier with a DCD1, you can  
play PianoSoft Plus Audio CDs from a computer or external CD changer.  
iTunes makes a nice librarian in this regard, but you must turn off  
the Sound Enhancer feature.

Regards,
PianoBench

On Dec 6, 2006, at 12:21 PM, James Fry wrote:

> Hi Ron,
>
> Yes, I can do better with an outboard computer. But I cannot play back
> pianosoft plus cds, I can't do pianosmart, it isn't a nice, small,
> combined unit. Plus there are loads of people out there without a
> technical background that would love a plug and play solution. Look at
> all those people that buy tivos - you get far more power building your
> own system, but it's just too much hassle / clunky for most people.
>
> James
>
> Ron Natalie wrote:
> >
> > James Fry wrote:
> >
> > > It is a shame that Yamaha don't offer a MarkIV style control unit
> >
> > Most of what the MarkIV does you can do with an outboard computer
> > of your own (and possibly do a better job). The PDA frankly always
> > seemed a bit klunky to me.
> >
> > I looked at it long and hard when I bought mine...but the option of
> > paying $27K for a pristine two year old DC5A versus paying over  
> three
> > times that for a MarkIV made the decision for me.
> >
> >
>
>
>

James Fry wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, I can do better with an outboard computer. But I cannot play back
> pianosoft plus cds, I can't do pianosmart, it isn't a nice, small,
> combined unit.

The internal unit on the Mark III's handles pianosoft+ and pianosmart
(the latter does take a firmware upgrade that you can download from
Yahama).    The only thing it lacks is the ability to squirrel all
that stuff on the hard disk.

ISKI1@... wrote:

> 
> If I understand you correctly it sounds like you can rip the Piano Soft 
> CD's into the Itunes library and play them with the computer connected 
> to the Disklavire midi input.
> Is that correct?
> 
No you play them into the CD Audio ports on the control unit I believe.
The MIDI is already encoded into the right channel as audio.

My suggestion to Yamaha is to create a completely new Mark III "b" 
control device that can simply replace the current controller.  It 
would have a hard drive built in and accept CDs and diskettes (also 
have USB connection).  A wireless tablet could control this unit.  
Now, I think they could kill two birds with one stone, by making 
this new unit standard on upright pianos (Mark IVs) which they 
currently don't offer!  SJ 



--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "Aaron Zornes" <azornes@...> 
wrote:
>
> Here, hear.
> 
>  
> 
> I was told the same ... my DC6A Mark III would be fully 
upgradeable and now
> I am looking at $70K upgrade!!!!
> 
>  
> 
> --Aaron in SF
> 
>  
> 
>   _____  
> 
> From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com 
[mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On
> Behalf Of sjhart110110
> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 8:38 AM
> To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [disklavier] Re: Possible to upgrade a Mark III Pro to a 
Mark IV
> Pro?
> 
>  
> 
> --- In disklavier@yahoogro <mailto:disklavier%40yahoogroups.com> 
ups.com,
> "yamahamale" <needssorting@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > Is it possible to upgrade a Mark III Pro to a Mark IV Pro? Does 
> Yamaha
> > support this?
> 
> They do not. In fact, when I purchased my DC3A, part of the "sale" 
> was how Yamaha always provided an upgrade path for the control 
> devices (e.g. adding CD capability, etc.). I understood that the 
> internal components of the piano can not be easily be upgraded 
(e.g. 
> solenoids, silent system). However, Yamaha COULD provide a 
complete 

> replacement for the Mark III control box to have Mark IV 
> capabilities, but obviously they have decided not to. A real shame 
> in my humble opinion. There "upgrade path" ended with the Mark 
> IIIs.... My only upgrade option now is to purchase a new piano. 
> Horrible customer focus. SJ
>

I have a MarkIIXG (admittedly with DCD1 and pianosmart upgrade), so I 
could use this solution for some of the library (some don't work on this 
hardware). Also, I'm still stuck with the somewhat lame sounds from the 
DB51XG card in the piano, unless I add a module or do some fancy MIDI 
hookup tricks I guess.

I still believe an all in one solution would be neater and sell bucket 
loads.

Ron Natalie wrote:

>
> James Fry wrote:
> >
> >
> > Yes, I can do better with an outboard computer. But I cannot play back
> > pianosoft plus cds, I can't do pianosmart, it isn't a nice, small,
> > combined unit.
>
> The internal unit on the Mark III's handles pianosoft+ and pianosmart
> (the latter does take a firmware upgrade that you can download from
> Yahama). The only thing it lacks is the ability to squirrel all
> that stuff on the hard disk.
>
>

Hi James,

You might take a look at www.klavierdock.com this
product will give you those features and is designed
for your very need.

Robert



 
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Robert 69 wrote:
> Hi James,
>
> You might take a look at www.klavierdock.com this
> product will give you those features and is designed
> for your very need.
>   
Looks like it's not all there.  How far along is this?

Looks interesting, poor quality site though, errors all over the place.
Anybody got any other information on this product?

Regards
Gary

On 8/12/06 12:15, "Ron Natalie" <ron.natalie@...> wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> 
> Robert 69 wrote:
>> > Hi James,
>> >
>> > You might take a look at www.klavierdock.com this
>> > product will give you those features and is designed
>> > for your very need.
>> >   
> Looks like it's not all there.  How far along is this?
> 
>  
>

Good afternoon, everyone.

On Dec 6, 2006, at 2:49 PM, ISKI1@... wrote:

> If I understand you correctly it sounds like you can rip the Piano  
> Soft CD's into the Itunes library and play them with the computer  
> connected to the Disklavire midi input.
> Is that correct?

This is partially correct.

In my earlier post, I was referring to PianoSoft Plus Audio CDs.  
These CDs have regular audio (singer, orchestra, etc.) on the left  
channel and so-called analog MIDI on the right channel. Analog MIDI  
is MIDI data encoded as audio.

When you rip these CDs, you get something that you would not want to  
hear out of stereo speakers. The data going to the right speaker is  
intended for the piano. So, the thing to do is to connect both  
channels of audio (not MIDI) out from your computer to the audio  
inputs of your Mark III or DCD1 or to the Audio Omni Input of your  
Mark IV. Then, when you play the song in iTunes, the two channels of  
audio data will be passed on to the keyboard or to your Disklavier's  
speakers as appropriate.

NOTE: On a Mark IV, you must access the Audio setup screen and set  
Omni In to "Analog MIDI-YM." Also, when playing directly out of  
iTunes, be sure to turn off Sound Enhancer in the Playback preferences.

Regards,
PianoBench

Hi

So the Audio channel is in Mono out from the Piano?
What do you do with the Right channel?
How do you get it to play the piano?
Is there a program that will convert the Audio data back to Midi?

Dave



--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "George F. Litterst" 
<PianoBench@...> wrote:
>
> Good afternoon, everyone.
> 
> On Dec 6, 2006, at 2:49 PM, ISKI1@... wrote:
> 
> > If I understand you correctly it sounds like you can rip the 
Piano  
> > Soft CD's into the Itunes library and play them with the 
computer  
> > connected to the Disklavire midi input.
> > Is that correct?
> 
> This is partially correct.
> 
> In my earlier post, I was referring to PianoSoft Plus Audio CDs.  
> These CDs have regular audio (singer, orchestra, etc.) on the 
left  
> channel and so-called analog MIDI on the right channel. Analog 
MIDI  
> is MIDI data encoded as audio.
> 
> When you rip these CDs, you get something that you would not want 
to  
> hear out of stereo speakers. The data going to the right speaker 
is  
> intended for the piano. So, the thing to do is to connect both  
> channels of audio (not MIDI) out from your computer to the audio  
> inputs of your Mark III or DCD1 or to the Audio Omni Input of 
your  
> Mark IV. Then, when you play the song in iTunes, the two channels 
of  
> audio data will be passed on to the keyboard or to your 
Disklavier's  
> speakers as appropriate.
> 
> NOTE: On a Mark IV, you must access the Audio setup screen and 
set  
> Omni In to "Analog MIDI-YM." Also, when playing directly out of  
> iTunes, be sure to turn off Sound Enhancer in the Playback 
preferences.

> 
> Regards,
> PianoBench
>

Hi,

with PianoSoft plus Audio disks, the Disklavier will automatically send the audio channel to both outputs and use the analog MIDI channel for data only. Whatever you do, don't stick one of these CDs into your HiFi, if you value your speakers.

There is at least 1 program for converting MIDI files to analog MIDI for writing to CD, (MID2CD), but I haven't seen anthing to go the other way. I suppose you could play the MIDI + Audio CD on a disklavier or DCD1 and record the MIDI information onto a sequencer/computer.

Adrian Thomas

On Dec 12 2006, david962548 wrote:

>Hi
>
>So the Audio channel is in Mono out from the Piano?
>What do you do with the Right channel?
>How do you get it to play the piano?
>Is there a program that will convert the Audio data back to Midi?
>
>Dave
>
>
>
>--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "George F. Litterst"
> wrote:
>>
>> Good afternoon, everyone.
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2006, at 2:49 PM, ISKI1@... wrote:
>>
>> > If I understand you correctly it sounds like you can rip the
>Piano
>> > Soft CD's into the Itunes library and play them with the
>computer
>> > connected to the Disklavire midi input.
>> > Is that correct?
>>
>> This is partially correct.
>>
>> In my earlier post, I was referring to PianoSoft Plus Audio CDs.
>> These CDs have regular audio (singer, orchestra, etc.) on the
>left
>> channel and so-called analog MIDI on the right channel. Analog
>MIDI
>> is MIDI data encoded as audio.
>>
>> When you rip these CDs, you get something that you would not want
>to
>> hear out of stereo speakers. The data going to the right speaker
>is
>> intended for the piano. So, the thing to do is to connect both
>> channels of audio (not MIDI) out from your computer to the audio
>> inputs of your Mark III or DCD1 or to the Audio Omni Input of
>your
>> Mark IV. Then, when you play the song in iTunes, the two channels
>of
>> audio data will be passed on to the keyboard or to your
>Disklavier's
>> speakers as appropriate.
>>
>> NOTE: On a Mark IV, you must access the Audio setup screen and
>set
>> Omni In to "Analog MIDI-YM." Also, when playing directly out of
>> iTunes, be sure to turn off Sound Enhancer in the Playback
>preferences.
>>
>> Regards,
>> PianoBench
>>
>
>
>
>
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