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DGC1 v DC2 v DC3

DGC1 v DC2 v DC3

2007-01-21 by manhattanboy100

Hi, need a bit more help, please!!! Was set to purchase a GC1M4 (5'3") 
as I am not a player, its in my price range and am really buying for 
disklavier which I love. After listening to my friend play the same 
pieces on both the GC1 and the C2 (5'8") side by side I could hear a 
difference, not huge, but noticeably smoother. The larger C2 will fit 
in my apartment and is about $10,000 more. Now I understand the 
disklavier on the C3 is different from the unit on the GC1 and the C2 
in that it has hammer sensors. Can anyone offer some advice? Do the 
hammer sensors affect playback of pre-recorded software or just 
recording. If only recording then no matter since I can't play anyway! 
Buying a car was much easier. Thanks,
Ron

Re: DGC1 v DC2 v DC3

2007-01-22 by pl88ks

They are all great pianos. In my opinion it sounds as if you would enjoy
any of them. My vote would be to buy the DGc1 if the price is right or
go to the Dc3M4 because of the tone of the piano which is noticably
better than the smaller instruments. I am not sure of the sensor issue
but I have listened to all of the models and as far as play back is
concerned I would be pleased with any. Disklavier is a fantastic
product. Steve
--- In disklavier@yahoogroups.com, "manhattanboy100"
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> Hi, need a bit more help, please!!! Was set to purchase a GC1M4 (5'3")
> as I am not a player, its in my price range and am really buying for
> disklavier which I love. After listening to my friend play the same
> pieces on both the GC1 and the C2 (5'8") side by side I could hear a
> difference, not huge, but noticeably smoother. The larger C2 will fit
> in my apartment and is about $10,000 more. Now I understand the
> disklavier on the C3 is different from the unit on the GC1 and the C2
> in that it has hammer sensors. Can anyone offer some advice? Do the
> hammer sensors affect playback of pre-recorded software or just
> recording. If only recording then no matter since I can't play anyway!
> Buying a car was much easier. Thanks,
> Ron
>

RE: [disklavier] DGC1 v DC2 v DC3

2007-01-22 by Ken Gorman

Hi Ron,

I\u2019ll offer a few points and hope to answer your questions.

You listened to a C2 and a GC1 and noticed a difference between the 2 pianos. The C2 is a larger piano and larger pianos generally sound \u201cbetter\u201d than smaller pianos.

Lifted from the web:

http://www.acoustics.org/press/134th/galembo.htm

\u201cLarger pianos generally have longer bass strings, a larger soundboard and a heavier iron frame. Therefore larger pianos tend to have:

louder tone and wider dynamic range

less inharmonic spectrum of the radiated tone

less "stretched" tuning of the bass section

slower decay of high partials in bass tones

wider spectrum (brighter timbre) of bass tones

more regular spectrum of tones

different character of treble tones\u201d

Therefore, it is not surprising that the larger C2 will sound better than the GC1 (assuming of course, all other things being equal). Similar logic dictates the C3 will sound better than both of them.

There are some other differences between the GC1 and C2/C3 lines. The GC1 borrows from the Conservatory line and has duplex scaling, but its middle pedal is bass sustain and not full sostenuto. The majority of pieces don\u2019t use the middle pedal, so it might not be a big deal. Keep in mind that the GC1 comes in a \u201cplayback only\u201d model which doesn\u2019t have hammer sensors. The DGC1m4 does have hammer sensors.

>>Do the hammer sensors affect playback of pre-recorded software

No. The sensors are for recording and don\u2019t affect play-back at all.

Some other things to keep in mind is that the GC1 doesn\u2019t have a soft-close fallboard or fallboard locks. These might be important if you have little fingers around the piano.

This topic was brought up on the PianoWorld forum where they discussed the differences between the GC-line and the C-line of Yamaha pianos.

http://tinyurl.com/22vd6q

Hope this helps.

Ken

From: disklavier@yahoogroups.com [mailto:disklavier@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of manhattanboy100
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 5:40 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [disklavier] DGC1 v DC2 v DC3

Hi, need a bit more help, please!!! Was set to purchase a GC1M4 (5'3")
as I am not a player, its in my price range and am really buying for
disklavier which I love. After listening to my friend play the same
pieces on both the GC1 and the C2 (5'8") side by side I could hear a
difference, not huge, but noticeably smoother. The larger C2 will fit
in my apartment and is about $10,000 more. Now I understand the
disklavier on the C3 is different from the unit on the GC1 and the C2
in that it has hammer sensors. Can anyone offer some advice? Do the
hammer sensors affect playback of pre-recorded software or just
recording. If only recording then no matter since I can't play anyway!
Buying a car was much easier. Thanks,
Ron

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Re: [disklavier] DGC1 v DC2 v DC3

2007-01-22 by Garry Neil

In my humble opinion it also depends on the size and acoustics of the room the piano is in. A large piano in a small room will not necessarily sound better than a small piano. And larger pianos are generally louder. Even with the Mk IV you have some limitation on how softly they will play.

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Subject: RE: [disklavier] DGC1 v DC2 v DC3

Hi Ron,

I’ll offer a few points and hope to answer your questions.

You listened to a C2 and a GC1 and noticed a difference between the 2 pianos. The C2 is a larger piano and larger pianos generally sound “better” than smaller pianos.

Lifted from the web:

http://www.acoustic s.org/press/ 134th/galembo. htm

“Larger pianos generally have longer bass strings, a larger soundboard and a heavier iron frame. Therefore larger pianos tend to have:

louder tone and wider dynamic range

less inharmonic spectrum of the radiated tone

less "stretched" tuning of the bass section

slower decay of high partials in bass tones

wider spectrum (brighter timbre) of bass tones

more regular spectrum of tones

different character of treble tones”

Therefore, it is not surprising that the larger C2 will sound better than the GC1 (assuming of course, all other things being equal). Similar logic dictates the C3 will sound better than both of them.

There are some other differences between the GC1 and C2/C3 lines. The GC1 borrows from the Conservatory line and has duplex scaling, but its middle pedal is bass sustain and not full sostenuto. The majority of pieces don’t use the middle pedal, so it might not be a big deal. Keep in mind that the GC1 comes in a “playback only” model which doesn’t have hammer sensors. The DGC1m4 does have hammer sensors.

>>Do the hammer sensors affect playback of pre-recorded software

No. The sensors are for recording and don’t affect play-back at all.

Some other things to keep in mind is that the GC1 doesn’t have a soft-close fallboard or fallboard locks. These might be important if you have little fingers around the piano.

This topic was brought up on the PianoWorld forum where they discussed the differences between the GC-line and the C-line of Yamaha pianos.

http://tinyurl. com/22vd6q

;

Hope this helps.

Ken

From: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:disklavier@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of manhattanboy100
Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 5:40 PM
To: disklavier@yahoogro ups.com
Subject: [disklavier] DGC1 v DC2 v DC3

Hi, need a bit more help, please!!! Was set to purchase a GC1M4 (5'3")
as I am not a player, its in my price range and am really buying for
disklavier which I love. After listening to my friend play the same
pieces on both the GC1 and the C2 (5'8") side by side I could hear a
difference, not huge, but noticeably smoother. The larger C2 will fit
in my apartment and is about $10,000 more. Now I understand the
disklavier on the C3 is different from the unit on the GC1 and the C2
in that it has hammer sensors. Can anyone offer some advice? Do the
hammer sensors affect playback of pre-recorded software or just
recording. If only recording then no matter since I can't play anyway!
Buying a car was much easier. Thanks,
Ron

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