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setting up old disklavier w/ separate control wagon ppg10

setting up old disklavier w/ separate control wagon ppg10

2007-09-11 by fabioferrucciferas

Hi! I recently bought a Yamaha G5 grand piano with a separate disklavier control wagon 
ppg10, a machine about 16 years old. I cannot set up the disklavier to transmit what I play on 
the piano keyboard from the MIDI OUT port. The files on the floppy are currently transmitted 
via MIDI OUT. I have no manuals of this machine, so I tried to change the Midi parameters in 
the control wagon, but there is no way to set the MIDI OUT parameter other than DELAYOUT. 
I looked at the cable that connects the piano with the wagon (a multipolar cable with a Mil 
connector at each side) and with a digital tester I noticed that pin 1 at one side of the cable is 
connected to pin 2 at the other side and viceversa; all the other pins instead are connected 
each one to the corresponding number. Can someone help me? Thank you!

Re: [disklavier] setting up old disklavier w/ separate control wagon ppg10

2007-09-11 by George F. Litterst

Good afternoon, everyone.

It sounds as though you have a so-called "wagon grand" but one that was not made for North America.

I don't know if this procedure will work.

Try pressing the MIDI button and see if you can use the R and L buttons to toggle between MIDI Out = Delay Out and MIDI Out = KBD Out.

Additionally, once you get to the MIDI Out screen, I think that you can advance through other MIDI screens with the + and - buttons.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:34 PM, fabioferrucciferas wrote:

Hi! I recently bought a Yamaha G5 grand piano with a separate disklavier control wagon
ppg10, a machine about 16 years old. I cannot set up the disklavier to transmit what I play on
the piano keyboard from the MIDI OUT port. The files on the floppy are currently transmitted
via MIDI OUT. I have no manuals of this machine, so I tried to change the Midi parameters in
the control wagon, but there is no way to set the MIDI OUT parameter other than DELAYOUT.
I looked at the cable that connects the piano with the wagon (a multipolar cable with a Mil
connector at each side) and with a digital tester I noticed that pin 1 at one side of the cable is
connected to pin 2 at the other side and viceversa; all the other pins instead are connected
each one to the corresponding number. Can someone help me? Thank you!


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Re: [disklavier] setting up old disklavier w/ separate control wagon ppg10

2007-09-12 by Fabio Ferrucci

Yes, it's the wagon grand, but when I press the MIDI button and then reach the Midi Out parameter, L and R buttons have no effect and the only avaliable option is Midi Out = Delay out. In all other parameters setting L and R buttons work properly, so I can set, for istance, Remote out On or Off, Delay from 0 to 700 ms, and so on with L and R buttons.
So I thought I had to set something else BEFORE trying to change the Midi Out parameter, but I don't know what.

Thank you!
Fabio Ferrucci

Il giorno 12/set/07, alle ore 00:05, George F. Litterst ha scritto:

Good afternoon, everyone.

It sounds as though you have a so-called "wagon grand" but one that was not made for North America.

I don't know if this procedure will work.

Try pressing the MIDI button and see if you can use the R and L buttons to toggle between MIDI Out = Delay Out and MIDI Out = KBD Out.

Additionally, once you get to the MIDI Out screen, I think that you can advance through other MIDI screens with the + and - buttons.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:34 PM, fabioferrucciferas wrote:

Hi! I recently bought a Yamaha G5 grand piano with a separate disklavier control wagon
ppg10, a machine about 16 years old. I cannot set up the disklavier to transmit what I play on
the piano keyboard from the MIDI OUT port. The files on the floppy are currently transmitted
via MIDI OUT. I have no manuals of this machine, so I tried to change the Midi parameters in
the control wagon, but there is no way to set the MIDI OUT parameter other than DELAYOUT.
I looked at the cable that connects the piano with the wagon (a multipolar cable with a Mil
connector at each side) and with a digital tester I noticed that pin 1 at one side of the cable is
connected to pin 2 at the other side and viceversa; all the other pins instead are connected
each one to the corresponding number. Can someone help me? Thank you!


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Re: [disklavier] setting up old disklavier w/ separate control wagon ppg10

2007-09-12 by George F. Litterst

Good morning, everyone.

Fabio, does your Disklavier have a record feature? If not, then MIDI Out = Keyboard Out is probably not an option.

If it does have a record feature and is a typical wagon grand, then all that should be necessary is to :

--press the MIDI button to show the MIDI Out setting
--press the R button to set MIDI Out = Keyboard Out
--or press the L button to set MIDI Out = Delay Out
--press the MIDI button to exit

You might cycle through all of the MIDI settings until you get to "MIDI Parameter All Initialize?" and then press the R button twice to reinitialize all of the MIDI settings. That will set MIDI OUt to Delay (which is the default), and then you can try again to change it.

If your instrument does have a record feature and everything so far fails, try accessing this MIDI Out setting screen again and see if any other buttons will change the display. On the upright MX100A& B, the Record button is used to toggle between the MIDI Out settings.

Regards,
PianoBench


www.georgelitterst.com
www.timewarptech.com

On Sep 12, 2007, at 8:32 AM, George Litterst wrote:

Good morning, everyone.

Fabio, does your Disklavier have a record feature? If not, then MIDI Out = Keyboard Out is probably not an option.

If it does have a record feature and is a typical wagon grand, then all that should be necessary is to :

--press the MIDI button to show the MIDI Out setting
--press the R button to set MIDI Out = Keyboard Out
--or press the L button to set MIDI Out = Delay Out
--press the MIDI button to exit

You might cycle through all of the MIDI settings until you get to "MIDI Parameter All Initialize?" and then press the R button twice to reinitialize all of the MIDI settings. That will set MIDI OUt to Delay (which is the default), and then you can try again to change it.

If your instrument does have a record feature and everything so far fails, try accessing this MIDI Out setting screen again and see if any other buttons will change the display. On the upright MX100A& B, the Record button is used to toggle between the MIDI Out settings.

Regards,
PianoBench


www.georgelitterst.com
www.timewarptech.com


On Sep 12, 2007, at 1:30 AM, Fabio Ferrucci wrote:

Yes, it's the wagon grand, but when I press the MIDI button and then reach the Midi Out parameter, L and R buttons have no effect and the only avaliable option is Midi Out = Delay out. In all other parameters setting L and R buttons work properly, so I can set, for istance, Remote out On or Off, Delay from 0 to 700 ms, and so on with L and R buttons.

So I thought I had to set something else BEFORE trying to change the Midi Out parameter, but I don't know what.

Thank you!
Fabio Ferrucci

Il giorno 12/set/07, alle ore 00:05, George F. Litterst ha scritto:

Good afternoon, everyone.

It sounds as though you have a so-called "wagon grand" but one that was not made for North America.

I don't know if this procedure will work.

Try pressing the MIDI button and see if you can use the R and L buttons to toggle between MIDI Out = Delay Out and MIDI Out = KBD Out.

Additionally, once you get to the MIDI Out screen, I think that you can advance through other MIDI screens with the + and - buttons.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:34 PM, fabioferrucciferas wrote:

Hi! I recently bought a Yamaha G5 grand piano with a separate disklavier control wagon
ppg10, a machine about 16 years old. I cannot set up the disklavier to transmit what I play on
the piano keyboard from the MIDI OUT port. The files on the floppy are currently transmitted
via MIDI OUT. I have no manuals of this machine, so I tried to change the Midi parameters in
the control wagon, but there is no way to set the MIDI OUT parameter other than DELAYOUT.
I looked at the cable that connects the piano with the wagon (a multipolar cable with a Mil
connector at each side) and with a digital tester I noticed that pin 1 at one side of the cable is
connected to pin 2 at the other side and viceversa; all the other pins instead are connected
each one to the corresponding number. Can someone help me? Thank you!


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Re: [disklavier] setting up old disklavier w/ separate control wagon ppg10

2007-09-12 by Fabio Ferrucci

My disklavier wagon does not have a record feature, but since there is the sensors bar above the piano hammers, I think the wagon should transmit what I play via the MIDI out port... or not?
Thank you very very much
Fabio Ferrucci


Il giorno 12/set/07, alle ore 14:33, George F. Litterst ha scritto:


Good morning, everyone.

Fabio, does your Disklavier have a record feature? If not, then MIDI Out = Keyboard Out is probably not an option.

If it does have a record feature and is a typical wagon grand, then all that should be necessary is to :

--press the MIDI button to show the MIDI Out setting
--press the R button to set MIDI Out = Keyboard Out
--or press the L button to set MIDI Out = Delay Out
--press the MIDI button to exit

You might cycle through all of the MIDI settings until you get to "MIDI Parameter All Initialize?" and then press the R button twice to reinitialize all of the MIDI settings. That will set MIDI OUt to Delay (which is the default), and then you can try again to change it.

If your instrument does have a record feature and everything so far fails, try accessing this MIDI Out setting screen again and see if any other buttons will change the display. On the upright MX100A& B, the Record button is used to toggle between the MIDI Out settings.

Regards,
PianoBench


www.georgelitterst.com
www.timewarptech.com

On Sep 12, 2007, at 8:32 AM, George Litterst wrote:

Good morning, everyone.

Fabio, does your Disklavier have a record feature? If not, then MIDI Out = Keyboard Out is probably not an option.

If it does have a record feature and is a typical wagon grand, then all that should be necessary is to :

--press the MIDI button to show the MIDI Out setting
--press the R button to set MIDI Out = Keyboard Out
--or press the L button to set MIDI Out = Delay Out
--press the MIDI button to exit

You might cycle through all of the MIDI settings until you get to "MIDI Parameter All Initialize?" and then press the R button twice to reinitialize all of the MIDI settings. That will set MIDI OUt to Delay (which is the default), and then you can try again to change it.

If your instrument does have a record feature and everything so far fails, try accessing this MIDI Out setting screen again and see if any other buttons will change the display. On the upright MX100A& B, the Record button is used to toggle between the MIDI Out settings.

Regards,
PianoBench


www.georgelitterst.com
www.timewarptech.com


On Sep 12, 2007, at 1:30 AM, Fabio Ferrucci wrote:

Yes, it's the wagon grand, but when I press the MIDI button and then reach the Midi Out parameter, L and R buttons have no effect and the only avaliable option is Midi Out = Delay out. In all other parameters setting L and R buttons work properly, so I can set, for istance, Remote out On or Off, Delay from 0 to 700 ms, and so on with L and R buttons.

So I thought I had to set something else BEFORE trying to change the Midi Out parameter, but I don't know what.

Thank you!
Fabio Ferrucci

Il giorno 12/set/07, alle ore 00:05, George F. Litterst ha scritto:

Good afternoon, everyone.

It sounds as though you have a so-called "wagon grand" but one that was not made for North America.

I don't know if this procedure will work.

Try pressing the MIDI button and see if you can use the R and L buttons to toggle between MIDI Out = Delay Out and MIDI Out = KBD Out.

Additionally, once you get to the MIDI Out screen, I think that you can advance through other MIDI screens with the + and - buttons.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:34 PM, fabioferrucciferas wrote:

Hi! I recently bought a Yamaha G5 grand piano with a separate disklavier control wagon
ppg10, a machine about 16 years old. I cannot set up the disklavier to transmit what I play on
the piano keyboard from the MIDI OUT port. The files on the floppy are currently transmitted
via MIDI OUT. I have no manuals of this machine, so I tried to change the Midi parameters in
the control wagon, but there is no way to set the MIDI OUT parameter other than DELAYOUT.
I looked at the cable that connects the piano with the wagon (a multipolar cable with a Mil
connector at each side) and with a digital tester I noticed that pin 1 at one side of the cable is
connected to pin 2 at the other side and viceversa; all the other pins instead are connected
each one to the corresponding number. Can someone help me? Thank you!


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Re: [disklavier] setting up old disklavier w/ separate control wagon ppg10

2007-09-12 by George F. Litterst

Good morning, everyone.

Fabio, wagon grands made for the US always had a recording feature. I am not familiar with wagon grands that do not.

The recording feature relies on a number of components, including metal shutters on the hammer shanks, a sensor bar about the piano hammers, key sensors beneath the keys, and programmed instructions that reside in circuit boards.

It seems to me that if your Disklavier cannot record, then it does not have the capability of sending MIDI data played from the keys. This is typical of playback-only Disklaviers.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Sep 12, 2007, at 9:05 AM, Fabio Ferrucci wrote:

My disklavier wagon does not have a record feature, but since there is the sensors bar above the piano hammers, I think the wagon should transmit what I play via the MIDI out port... or not?

Thank you very very much
Fabio Ferrucci


Il giorno 12/set/07, alle ore 14:33, George F. Litterst ha scritto:


Good morning, everyone.

Fabio, does your Disklavier have a record feature? If not, then MIDI Out = Keyboard Out is probably not an option.

If it does have a record feature and is a typical wagon grand, then all that should be necessary is to :

--press the MIDI button to show the MIDI Out setting
--press the R button to set MIDI Out = Keyboard Out
--or press the L button to set MIDI Out = Delay Out
--press the MIDI button to exit

You might cycle through all of the MIDI settings until you get to "MIDI Parameter All Initialize?" and then press the R button twice to reinitialize all of the MIDI settings. That will set MIDI OUt to Delay (which is the default), and then you can try again to change it.

If your instrument does have a record feature and everything so far fails, try accessing this MIDI Out setting screen again and see if any other buttons will change the display. On the upright MX100A& B, the Record button is used to toggle between the MIDI Out settings.

Regards,
PianoBench


www.georgelitterst.com
www.timewarptech.com

On Sep 12, 2007, at 8:32 AM, George Litterst wrote:

Good morning, everyone.

Fabio, does your Disklavier have a record feature? If not, then MIDI Out = Keyboard Out is probably not an option.

If it does have a record feature and is a typical wagon grand, then all that should be necessary is to :

--press the MIDI button to show the MIDI Out setting
--press the R button to set MIDI Out = Keyboard Out
--or press the L button to set MIDI Out = Delay Out
--press the MIDI button to exit

You might cycle through all of the MIDI settings until you get to "MIDI Parameter All Initialize?" and then press the R button twice to reinitialize all of the MIDI settings. That will set MIDI OUt to Delay (which is the default), and then you can try again to change it.

If your instrument does have a record feature and everything so far fails, try accessing this MIDI Out setting screen again and see if any other buttons will change the display. On the upright MX100A& B, the Record button is used to toggle between the MIDI Out settings.

Regards,
PianoBench


www.georgelitterst.com
www.timewarptech.com


On Sep 12, 2007, at 1:30 AM, Fabio Ferrucci wrote:

Yes, it's the wagon grand, but when I press the MIDI button and then reach the Midi Out parameter, L and R buttons have no effect and the only avaliable option is Midi Out = Delay out. In all other parameters setting L and R buttons work properly, so I can set, for istance, Remote out On or Off, Delay from 0 to 700 ms, and so on with L and R buttons.

So I thought I had to set something else BEFORE trying to change the Midi Out parameter, but I don't know what.

Thank you!
Fabio Ferrucci

Il giorno 12/set/07, alle ore 00:05, George F. Litterst ha scritto:

Good afternoon, everyone.

It sounds as though you have a so-called "wagon grand" but one that was not made for North America.

I don't know if this procedure will work.

Try pressing the MIDI button and see if you can use the R and L buttons to toggle between MIDI Out = Delay Out and MIDI Out = KBD Out.

Additionally, once you get to the MIDI Out screen, I think that you can advance through other MIDI screens with the + and - buttons.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:34 PM, fabioferrucciferas wrote:

Hi! I recently bought a Yamaha G5 grand piano with a separate disklavier control wagon
ppg10, a machine about 16 years old. I cannot set up the disklavier to transmit what I play on
the piano keyboard from the MIDI OUT port. The files on the floppy are currently transmitted
via MIDI OUT. I have no manuals of this machine, so I tried to change the Midi parameters in
the control wagon, but there is no way to set the MIDI OUT parameter other than DELAYOUT.
I looked at the cable that connects the piano with the wagon (a multipolar cable with a Mil
connector at each side) and with a digital tester I noticed that pin 1 at one side of the cable is
connected to pin 2 at the other side and viceversa; all the other pins instead are connected
each one to the corresponding number. Can someone help me? Thank you!


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Re: [disklavier] setting up old disklavier w/ separate control wagon ppg10

2007-09-12 by Fabio Ferrucci

Is there a way to know if my model, the PPG10, is able to send the data played on the keyboard?
Thanks
Fabio Ferrucci

Il giorno 12/set/07, alle ore 15:58, George F. Litterst ha scritto:

Good morning, everyone.


Fabio, wagon grands made for the US always had a recording feature. I am not familiar with wagon grands that do not.

The recording feature relies on a number of components, including metal shutters on the hammer shanks, a sensor bar about the piano hammers, key sensors beneath the keys, and programmed instructions that reside in circuit boards.

It seems to me that if your Disklavier cannot record, then it does not have the capability of sending MIDI data played from the keys. This is typical of playback-only Disklaviers.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Sep 12, 2007, at 9:05 AM, Fabio Ferrucci wrote:

My disklavier wagon does not have a record feature, but since there is the sensors bar above the piano hammers, I think the wagon should transmit what I play via the MIDI out port... or not?

Thank you very very much
Fabio Ferrucci


Il giorno 12/set/07, alle ore 14:33, George F. Litterst ha scritto:


Good morning, everyone.

Fabio, does your Disklavier have a record feature? If not, then MIDI Out = Keyboard Out is probably not an option.

If it does have a record feature and is a typical wagon grand, then all that should be necessary is to :

--press the MIDI button to show the MIDI Out setting
--press the R button to set MIDI Out = Keyboard Out
--or press the L button to set MIDI Out = Delay Out
--press the MIDI button to exit

You might cycle through all of the MIDI settings until you get to "MIDI Parameter All Initialize?" and then press the R button twice to reinitialize all of the MIDI settings. That will set MIDI OUt to Delay (which is the default), and then you can try again to change it.

If your instrument does have a record feature and everything so far fails, try accessing this MIDI Out setting screen again and see if any other buttons will change the display. On the upright MX100A& B, the Record button is used to toggle between the MIDI Out settings.

Regards,
PianoBench


www.georgelitterst.com
www.timewarptech.com

On Sep 12, 2007, at 8:32 AM, George Litterst wrote:

Good morning, everyone.

Fabio, does your Disklavier have a record feature? If not, then MIDI Out = Keyboard Out is probably not an option.

If it does have a record feature and is a typical wagon grand, then all that should be necessary is to :

--press the MIDI button to show the MIDI Out setting
--press the R button to set MIDI Out = Keyboard Out
--or press the L button to set MIDI Out = Delay Out
--press the MIDI button to exit

You might cycle through all of the MIDI settings until you get to "MIDI Parameter All Initialize?" and then press the R button twice to reinitialize all of the MIDI settings. That will set MIDI OUt to Delay (which is the default), and then you can try again to change it.

If your instrument does have a record feature and everything so far fails, try accessing this MIDI Out setting screen again and see if any other buttons will change the display. On the upright MX100A& B, the Record button is used to toggle between the MIDI Out settings.

Regards,
PianoBench


www.georgelitterst.com
www.timewarptech.com


On Sep 12, 2007, at 1:30 AM, Fabio Ferrucci wrote:

Yes, it's the wagon grand, but when I press the MIDI button and then reach the Midi Out parameter, L and R buttons have no effect and the only avaliable option is Midi Out = Delay out. In all other parameters setting L and R buttons work properly, so I can set, for istance, Remote out On or Off, Delay from 0 to 700 ms, and so on with L and R buttons.

So I thought I had to set something else BEFORE trying to change the Midi Out parameter, but I don't know what.

Thank you!
Fabio Ferrucci

Il giorno 12/set/07, alle ore 00:05, George F. Litterst ha scritto:

Good afternoon, everyone.

It sounds as though you have a so-called "wagon grand" but one that was not made for North America.

I don't know if this procedure will work.

Try pressing the MIDI button and see if you can use the R and L buttons to toggle between MIDI Out = Delay Out and MIDI Out = KBD Out.

Additionally, once you get to the MIDI Out screen, I think that you can advance through other MIDI screens with the + and - buttons.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:34 PM, fabioferrucciferas wrote:

Hi! I recently bought a Yamaha G5 grand piano with a separate disklavier control wagon
ppg10, a machine about 16 years old. I cannot set up the disklavier to transmit what I play on
the piano keyboard from the MIDI OUT port. The files on the floppy are currently transmitted
via MIDI OUT. I have no manuals of this machine, so I tried to change the Midi parameters in
the control wagon, but there is no way to set the MIDI OUT parameter other than DELAYOUT.
I looked at the cable that connects the piano with the wagon (a multipolar cable with a Mil
connector at each side) and with a digital tester I noticed that pin 1 at one side of the cable is
connected to pin 2 at the other side and viceversa; all the other pins instead are connected
each one to the corresponding number. Can someone help me? Thank you!


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Re: [disklavier] setting up old disklavier w/ separate control wagon ppg10

2007-09-12 by George F. Litterst

Good morning, everyone.

Fabio, I am going to leave this conversation. I am out of answers. I would like to emphasize, however, that I have never seen a playback-only Disklavier that sends MIDI data when you play the keys. Perhaps someone else can provide additional information about this specific model.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Fabio Ferrucci wrote:
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Is there a way to know if my model, the PPG10, is able to send the data played on the keyboard?

Thanks
Fabio Ferrucci

Il giorno 12/set/07, alle ore 15:58, George F. Litterst ha scritto:

Good morning, everyone.


Fabio, wagon grands made for the US always had a recording feature. I am not familiar with wagon grands that do not.

The recording feature relies on a number of components, including metal shutters on the hammer shanks, a sensor bar about the piano hammers, key sensors beneath the keys, and programmed instructions that reside in circuit boards.

It seems to me that if your Disklavier cannot record, then it does not have the capability of sending MIDI data played from the keys. This is typical of playback-only Disklaviers.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Sep 12, 2007, at 9:05 AM, Fabio Ferrucci wrote:

My disklavier wagon does not have a record feature, but since there is the sensors bar above the piano hammers, I think the wagon should transmit what I play via the MIDI out port... or not?

Thank you very very much
Fabio Ferrucci


Il giorno 12/set/07, alle ore 14:33, George F. Litterst ha scritto:


Good morning, everyone.

Fabio, does your Disklavier have a record feature? If not, then MIDI Out = Keyboard Out is probably not an option.

If it does have a record feature and is a typical wagon grand, then all that should be necessary is to :

--press the MIDI button to show the MIDI Out setting
--press the R button to set MIDI Out = Keyboard Out
--or press the L button to set MIDI Out = Delay Out
--press the MIDI button to exit

You might cycle through all of the MIDI settings until you get to "MIDI Parameter All Initialize?" and then press the R button twice to reinitialize all of the MIDI settings. That will set MIDI OUt to Delay (which is the default), and then you can try again to change it.

If your instrument does have a record feature and everything so far fails, try accessing this MIDI Out setting screen again and see if any other buttons will change the display. On the upright MX100A& B, the Record button is used to toggle between the MIDI Out settings.

Regards,
PianoBench


www.georgelitterst.com
www.timewarptech.com

On Sep 12, 2007, at 8:32 AM, George Litterst wrote:

Good morning, everyone.

Fabio, does your Disklavier have a record feature? If not, then MIDI Out = Keyboard Out is probably not an option.

If it does have a record feature and is a typical wagon grand, then all that should be necessary is to :

--press the MIDI button to show the MIDI Out setting
--press the R button to set MIDI Out = Keyboard Out
--or press the L button to set MIDI Out = Delay Out
--press the MIDI button to exit

You might cycle through all of the MIDI settings until you get to "MIDI Parameter All Initialize?" and then press the R button twice to reinitialize all of the MIDI settings. That will set MIDI OUt to Delay (which is the default), and then you can try again to change it.

If your instrument does have a record feature and everything so far fails, try accessing this MIDI Out setting screen again and see if any other buttons will change the display. On the upright MX100A& B, the Record button is used to toggle between the MIDI Out settings.

Regards,
PianoBench


www.georgelitterst.com
www.timewarptech.com


On Sep 12, 2007, at 1:30 AM, Fabio Ferrucci wrote:

Yes, it's the wagon grand, but when I press the MIDI button and then reach the Midi Out parameter, L and R buttons have no effect and the only avaliable option is Midi Out = Delay out. In all other parameters setting L and R buttons work properly, so I can set, for istance, Remote out On or Off, Delay from 0 to 700 ms, and so on with L and R buttons.

So I thought I had to set something else BEFORE trying to change the Midi Out parameter, but I don't know what.

Thank you!
Fabio Ferrucci

Il giorno 12/set/07, alle ore 00:05, George F. Litterst ha scritto:

Good afternoon, everyone.

It sounds as though you have a so-called "wagon grand" but one that was not made for North America.

I don't know if this procedure will work.

Try pressing the MIDI button and see if you can use the R and L buttons to toggle between MIDI Out = Delay Out and MIDI Out = KBD Out.

Additionally, once you get to the MIDI Out screen, I think that you can advance through other MIDI screens with the + and - buttons.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:34 PM, fabioferrucciferas wrote:

Hi! I recently bought a Yamaha G5 grand piano with a separate disklavier control wagon
ppg10, a machine about 16 years old. I cannot set up the disklavier to transmit what I play on
the piano keyboard from the MIDI OUT port. The files on the floppy are currently transmitted
via MIDI OUT. I have no manuals of this machine, so I tried to change the Midi parameters in
the control wagon, but there is no way to set the MIDI OUT parameter other than DELAYOUT.
I looked at the cable that connects the piano with the wagon (a multipolar cable with a Mil
connector at each side) and with a digital tester I noticed that pin 1 at one side of the cable is
connected to pin 2 at the other side and viceversa; all the other pins instead are connected <(Message over 64 KB, truncated)

Re: [disklavier] setting up old disklavier w/ separate control wagon ppg10

2007-09-12 by Fabio Ferrucci

Thank you anyway for your precise suggestions.
Best regards
Fabio Ferrucci

Il giorno 12/set/07, alle ore 16:44, George F. Litterst ha scritto:
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Good morning, everyone.


Fabio, I am going to leave this conversation. I am out of answers. I would like to emphasize, however, that I have never seen a playback-only Disklavier that sends MIDI data when you play the keys. Perhaps someone else can provide additional information about this specific model.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:28 AM, Fabio Ferrucci wrote:

Is there a way to know if my model, the PPG10, is able to send the data played on the keyboard?

Thanks
Fabio Ferrucci

Il giorno 12/set/07, alle ore 15:58, George F. Litterst ha scritto:

Good morning, everyone.


Fabio, wagon grands made for the US always had a recording feature. I am not familiar with wagon grands that do not.

The recording feature relies on a number of components, including metal shutters on the hammer shanks, a sensor bar about the piano hammers, key sensors beneath the keys, and programmed instructions that reside in circuit boards.

It seems to me that if your Disklavier cannot record, then it does not have the capability of sending MIDI data played from the keys. This is typical of playback-only Disklaviers.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Sep 12, 2007, at 9:05 AM, Fabio Ferrucci wrote:

My disklavier wagon does not have a record feature, but since there is the sensors bar above the piano hammers, I think the wagon should transmit what I play via the MIDI out port... or not?

Thank you very very much
Fabio Ferrucci


Il giorno 12/set/07, alle ore 14:33, George F. Litterst ha scritto:


Good morning, everyone.

Fabio, does your Disklavier have a record feature? If not, then MIDI Out = Keyboard Out is probably not an option.

If it does have a record feature and is a typical wagon grand, then all that should be necessary is to :

--press the MIDI button to show the MIDI Out setting
--press the R button to set MIDI Out = Keyboard Out
--or press the L button to set MIDI Out = Delay Out
--press the MIDI button to exit

You might cycle through all of the MIDI settings until you get to "MIDI Parameter All Initialize?" and then press the R button twice to reinitialize all of the MIDI settings. That will set MIDI OUt to Delay (which is the default), and then you can try again to change it.

If your instrument does have a record feature and everything so far fails, try accessing this MIDI Out setting screen again and see if any other buttons will change the display. On the upright MX100A& B, the Record button is used to toggle between the MIDI Out settings.

Regards,
PianoBench


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On Sep 12, 2007, at 8:32 AM, George Litterst wrote:

Good morning, everyone.

Fabio, does your Disklavier have a record feature? If not, then MIDI Out = Keyboard Out is probably not an option.

If it does have a record feature and is a typical wagon grand, then all that should be necessary is to :

--press the MIDI button to show the MIDI Out setting
--press the R button to set MIDI Out = Keyboard Out
--or press the L button to set MIDI Out = Delay Out
--press the MIDI button to exit

You might cycle through all of the MIDI settings until you get to "MIDI Parameter All Initialize?" and then press the R button twice to reinitialize all of the MIDI settings. That will set MIDI OUt to Delay (which is the default), and then you can try again to change it.

If your instrument does have a record feature and everything so far fails, try accessing this MIDI Out setting screen again and see if any other buttons will change the display. On the upright MX100A& B, the Record button is used to toggle between the MIDI Out settings.

Regards,
PianoBench


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On Sep 12, 2007, at 1:30 AM, Fabio Ferrucci wrote:

Yes, it's the wagon grand, but when I press the MIDI button and then reach the Midi Out parameter, L and R buttons have no effect and the only avaliable option is Midi Out = Delay out. In all other parameters setting L and R buttons work properly, so I can set, for istance, Remote out On or Off, Delay from 0 to 700 ms, and so on with L and R buttons.

So I thought I had to set something else BEFORE trying to change the Midi Out parameter, but I don't know what.

Thank you!
Fabio Ferrucci

Il giorno 12/set/07, alle ore 00:05, George F. Litterst ha scritto:

Good afternoon, everyone.

It sounds as though you have a so-called "wagon grand" but one that was not made for North America.

I don't know if this procedure will work.

Try pressing the MIDI button and see if you can use the R and L buttons to toggle between MIDI Out = Delay Out and MIDI Out = KBD Out.

Additionally, once you get to the MIDI Out screen, I think that you can advance through other MIDI screens with the + and - buttons.

Regards,
PianoBench


On Sep 11, 2007, at 4:34 PM, fabioferrucciferas wrote:

Re: [disklavier] setting up old disklavier w/ separate control wagon ppg10

2007-09-13 by athomik

I've done a bit of research and come up with this:

http://yamahadisklavier.googlepages.com/hgseriesmidispec

If your piano is what I think it is, try asking Yamaha in Italy if they still have an owners manual for the Disklavier Mark I Grand Piano (Wagon Grand / DKC10)

http://www.yamaha.it/sac/index.htm

athomik

On Sep 12 2007, Fabio Ferrucci wrote:

>Thank you anyway for your precise suggestions.
>Best regards
>Fabio Ferrucci
>

Re: [disklavier] setting up old disklavier w/ separate control wagon ppg10

2007-09-13 by Fabio Ferrucci

Thank you, I'll try to contact Yamaha Italia.
Regards
Fabio Ferrucci


Il giorno 13/set/07, alle ore 12:43, athomik ha scritto:


I've done a bit of research and come up with this:

http://yamahadisklavier.googlepages.com/hgseriesmidispec

If your piano is what I think it is, try asking Yamaha in Italy if they still have an owners manual for the Disklavier Mark I Grand Piano (Wagon Grand / DKC10)

http://www.yamaha.it/sac/index.htm

athomik

On Sep 12 2007, Fabio Ferrucci wrote:

>Thank you anyway for your precise suggestions.
>Best regards
>Fabio Ferrucci
>



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