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Oh, and it should be said about all that "on a platter in your native 
format" stuff -- if it's not making you money, don't do it. It's 
business. It's never the customer's fault that 'e puts up a large 
amount of ching (some of us are not what you'd call well-off), and gets 
antsy when it takes a while. Have them in stock or put up w/ the 
complaints.

I've heard other manufacturers compain about that, too, and it bugs me. 
It's the manufacturers' faults if we're doing business on the fly. Yes, 
this biz is hard. Yes, the money to get these things off the ground is 
immense, especially something like the ZO. I could never pull that off 
in a million years, and I applaud that you've done it. But getting mad 
at customers for expecting good customer service is a bit out of line.

And I should also say that I've had a customer waiting a LONG time for 
a DotCom module, and he's still waiting, and I appreciate it. But if he 
emails me and says "You sumbitch, gimme my scratch back!", I will 
apologize and send it back. It is _my_ fault. I am not a good 
businessperson!
: )

Cheers,
Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@bridechamber.com
www.bridechamber.com


On Dec 30, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Scott Deyo wrote:

> I had a friend who started a DotCom system. I tried to talk him into 
> MOTM so I could make him WaveBanks, CV blah-blah processors, etc.
> He wasn't interested. He wanted DotCom because he wanted something as 
> close to Moog as possible. He didn't want _new_ sounds, he wanted 
> _old_ sounds.
> Maybe he's an exception, but I think DotCom is very similar to Moog in 
> both look and mindset, and that attracts certain customers.
>
> Think of it this way: People wouldn't normally buy into DotCom if they 
> were bothered by the lack of "non-traditional" modules. Also, no one 
> approaches an expensive modular system without research as to what is 
> readily available. Q.e.d, those who start off in DotCom are mostly 
> interested in traditional sounds.
> (And maybe assembled modules that are inexpensive too : )
>
> It has nothing to do w/ spine. It's just a different mindset.
> The exceptions are probably most people in this group, and everyone 
> who bought a ZO.
>
> Cheers!
Scott Deyo
The Bridechamber
contact@bridechamber.com
www.bridechamber.com

>
> On Dec 30, 2007, at 2:57 PM, ~Morbius~ wrote:
>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cynthia
>> To: dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:42 PM
>> Subject: [dotcomformat] Re: Cyndustries Sawtooth Animator
>>
>>
>> --- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, "legravin" <legravin@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > Has anyone on the list ordered and/or received a Sawtooth Animator 
>> from
>> > Cyndustries?
>>
>> Hello Legravin!
>>  
>> I find it particularly odd however that for a Yahoo Group with 
>> probably
>> the largest number of members in the total Yahoo Synthesizer Group
>> of all synth Communities it would seem from our sales records that
>> Synthesizer Dot Com users are the most timid of the lot, and less 
>> likely
>> to try new things. (I would of course love to be proven wrong in my
>> impression)
>>
>> For example, we have pre-sold (25) Motm format Sawtooth Animators
>> and as of today.... only (4) in the Dotcom format. Why is that?
>>
>> We are working ourselves silly, working long long hours behind the
>> scenes to get these to you. Nevermind the difficulties of releasing a
>> great new product in all of the popular modular formats, and designing
>> and delivering the most advanced sonic engine ever offered - and 
>> served
>> to you on a platter in your native modular format, nooooo you're 
>> worried
>> about ordering one because the box might arrive a little late? I'll 
>> just hang
>> up my soldering iron for a little while now and go out and smell the 
>> roses
>> after reading your post.
>>
>> Honestly, show a little more spine will ya'!
>>
>> Cynthia
>> ---------------------------------------------------
>>  
>>  
>> I agree somewhat with John. But for me... I like to hear lots and 
>> lots of demos of what modules can do... not just two, three, or four 
>> audio-clips... but where and how the module(s) is/are involved in 
>> some complex patches... where you can hear the patch 'with', and 
>> 'without' the featured module, and/or set-up differently. Text 
>> descriptions are fine, and expected. But demos... and especially 
>> video demos really help.Ya know... some folks are timid with their 
>> use of modules and the patches they are doing... some are 'wOwied' 
>> buy sounds that some of us (well, speaking only for myself, here).... 
>> "that I" am not all that impressed with, or that I can achieve the 
>> same "sounding" effect without buying, and deciding what module(s) I 
>> have to remove, in order to use the new module. I could buy the 
>> Sawtooth Animator, and find all sorts of uses for it... and perhaps, 
>> use it quite a bit. But also, for all I know, it might turn out that 
>> I would only find need of it 2-3 times in a year. I'm not picking on 
>> that particular module... not at all. That's how I look at any 
>> module. (of course, I don't drink, either.)    : (
>>
>> Again... speaking only for myself... I am particularly interested in 
>> modules which have multiple applications and functions (or can be 
>> used as such). And, I want to hear (and hear about), as many of these 
>> things as possible. I want to read about how the demo's author used 
>> the module for that sound, and how he/she uses it for other 
>> applications. All too often, the sample-sounds posted on synth module 
>> sites are dull, one-dimensional, and really, not all that informative 
>> (at least for the long-time modular synth people). And, I think it's 
>> true to one degree or another with all companies (dotcom, MOTM, 
>> Cyndustires, COTK, Billy-Bob's House of Modules, etc). Yes, there are 
>> exceptions... but sometimes, or often, those exceptions aren't demos 
>> of modules that I am interested in. I hear, or have heard, modules 
>> which sounded kinda 'neat'... but- in thinking of how I would use 
>> this module, without overusing it's distictive sound or effect... 
>> that's something I consider very much. Think of the 'gated spring 
>> reverb' effect. It's a great sound/effect... but you're not gonna use 
>> it all that often.
>>
>> In the last few years, I've bought/built several modules that 
>> ultimately, I was disappointed in, and ended-up selling. Others... I 
>> just didn't find enough uses for them to warrant keeping them, living 
>> in a limited real estate environment (158-space cabinets). I've got 
>> only a few modules which I've found I don't need X copies of, and 
>> would sell/trade to replace them with something else. But- that 
>> 'something-else module' will have to be something I'm real sure is 
>> going to be worth it to me... being 'a keeper'... and, so that I 
>> don't end-up reselling at a loss of time and money. I know we all 
>> wish modules were sold commonly at ever 'Guitar Center/Musician's 
>> Friend', so we could easily 'try before we buy'. But that ain't gonna 
>> happen.
>>
>> There's a log of guys who just like trying new modules, and don't 
>> mind trading them off down the road, if those modules aren't what 
>> they had hoped, or just aren't being used. Some people are just 
>> starting their experimenting with analog modular systems... and may 
>> not know what to expect, or even care. They're just experiencing what 
>> we 'old-timers' have all gone through... way back whenever. But after 
>> 35 years, I pretty-much know what types of things I can make use 
>> of... and if I can hear different ways modules can be put to work, 
>> and read about it... and perhaps even see it demonstrated on video... 
>> I think I'd be more likely to check-out modules which I think will 
>> offer what I want. And there are a couple of Cyndustries modules I 
>> might buy... if they were available in dotcom format... but those 
>> aren't... (yet)  ; )
>>
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