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2007-12-29 by legravin
Has anyone on the list ordered and/or received a Sawtooth Animator from Cyndustries? I'm thinking about getting one but wanted to see if anyone else has experience with it. I also must admit I'm a little reluctant to order one considering the delays that happened with the Zeroscillator. So, if someone has already received one that will confirm that they are available now. Thanks.
2007-12-30 by Bernie
I've been looking at these too. But can't the same effect be gotten with multiple Q106's? FWIW, my ZO arrived fairly quickly. Bernie --- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, "legravin" <legravin@...> wrote: > > Has anyone on the list ordered and/or received a Sawtooth Animator from > Cyndustries? > > I'm thinking about getting one but wanted to see if anyone else has > experience with it. > > I also must admit I'm a little reluctant to order one considering the
> delays that happened with the Zeroscillator. So, if someone has > already received one that will confirm that they are available now. > > Thanks. >
2007-12-30 by Cynthia
--- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, "legravin" <legravin@...> wrote: > > Has anyone on the list ordered and/or received a Sawtooth Animator from > Cyndustries? Hello Legravin! After waiting months for our Dotcom format Zeroscillator front panels to arrive two years ago, we have chosen a different vendor to supply the Sawtooth Animator front panels to us this time. As of Sunday December 30th 2007 we have not shipped any Dotcom format Sawtooth Animators because the very nice fellow now doing the front panels has broken his ankle and is still getting about, albeit a bit more slowly than usual, in a wheelchair. We wish him well. The front panels are expected to arrive any day now as we've paid extra shipping and expediting charges on all parts, panels, knobs, you name it, (in all formats) in order to bring our Sawtooth Animators to market as quickly as possible. I am far more sensitive to delivery times to the Moog/Synthesizerdot com Community than you can imagine and have been doing everything I can to give you the very best service possible. In fact I spelled it out saying that, "we must get these Dotccom format panels quickly this time, especially after the Doctcom Zeroscillator panels took so long last time, and I do not want the Doctcom Community to feel in any way slighted". I find it particularly odd however that for a Yahoo Group with probably the largest number of members in the total Yahoo Synthesizer Group of all synth Communities it would seem from our sales records that Synthesizer Dot Com users are the most timid of the lot, and less likely to try new things. (I would of course love to be proven wrong in my impression) For example, we have pre-sold (25) Motm format Sawtooth Animators and as of today.... only (4) in the Dotcom format. Why is that? We are working ourselves silly, working long long hours behind the scenes to get these to you. Nevermind the difficulties of releasing a great new product in all of the popular modular formats, and designing and delivering the most advanced sonic engine ever offered - and served to you on a platter in your native modular format, nooooo you're worried about ordering one because the box might arrive a little late? I'll just hang up my soldering iron for a little while now and go out and smell the roses after reading your post. Honestly, show a little more spine will ya'! Cynthia
> > I'm thinking about getting one but wanted to see if anyone else has > experience with it. > > I also must admit I'm a little reluctant to order one considering the > delays that happened with the Zeroscillator. So, if someone has > already received one that will confirm that they are available now. > > Thanks. >
2007-12-30 by John Mahoney
>... >For example, we have pre-sold (25) Motm format Sawtooth Animators >and as of today.... only (4) in the Dotcom format. Why is that? >... >Cynthia IMHO, it's because the dotcom community is more price-sensitive than the MOTM community. -- john -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.12/1203 - Release Date: 12/30/2007 11:27 AM
2007-12-30 by Suit & Tie Guy
On Dec 30, 2007, at 12:42 PM, Cynthia wrote: > As of Sunday December 30th 2007 we have not shipped any Dotcom > format Sawtooth Animators because the very nice fellow now doing > the front panels has broken his ankle and is still getting about, > albeit > a bit more slowly than usual, in a wheelchair. We wish him well. there are other people in this thread even waiting on things from me, so i should probably say something. i didn't write about this on this list because i wasn't sure if it was appropriate, but it is now. so yes the bad news is that i broke my ankle a couple weeks ago, and that kind of put emergency brakes on everything i was working on (wavefolder debugging, sawtooth animator panels, and order fulfillment.) the good news is that i actually spent last night in my workshop, so it's looking better. i'd been in there a couple times since the accident but only to grab random things and get a box ready to ship. i can say for those considering the Sawtooth Animator that it will have a fine quality hand-fabricated front panel when you get it, and look very nice in your rig. --- Suit & Tie Guy suitandtieguy.com stgsoundlabs.com
2007-12-30 by ~Morbius~
2007-12-30 by Scott Deyo
I had a friend who started a DotCom system. I tried to talk him into MOTM so I could make him WaveBanks, CV blah-blah processors, etc. He wasn't interested. He wanted DotCom because he wanted something as close to Moog as possible. He didn't want _new_ sounds, he wanted _old_ sounds. Maybe he's an exception, but I think DotCom is very similar to Moog in both look and mindset, and that attracts certain customers. Think of it this way: People wouldn't normally buy into DotCom if they were bothered by the lack of "non-traditional" modules. Also, no one approaches an expensive modular system without research as to what is readily available. Q.e.d, those who start off in DotCom are mostly interested in traditional sounds. (And maybe assembled modules that are inexpensive too : ) It has nothing to do w/ spine. It's just a different mindset. The exceptions are probably most people in this group, and everyone who bought a ZO. Cheers! Scott Deyo The Bridechamber contact@bridechamber.com www.bridechamber.com
On Dec 30, 2007, at 2:57 PM, ~Morbius~ wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Cynthia > To: dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:42 PM > Subject: [dotcomformat] Re: Cyndustries Sawtooth Animator > > > --- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, "legravin" <legravin@...> wrote: > > > > Has anyone on the list ordered and/or received a Sawtooth Animator > from > > Cyndustries? > > Hello Legravin! > > I find it particularly odd however that for a Yahoo Group with probably > the largest number of members in the total Yahoo Synthesizer Group > of all synth Communities it would seem from our sales records that > Synthesizer Dot Com users are the most timid of the lot, and less > likely > to try new things. (I would of course love to be proven wrong in my > impression) > > For example, we have pre-sold (25) Motm format Sawtooth Animators > and as of today.... only (4) in the Dotcom format. Why is that? > > We are working ourselves silly, working long long hours behind the > scenes to get these to you. Nevermind the difficulties of releasing a > great new product in all of the popular modular formats, and designing > and delivering the most advanced sonic engine ever offered - and served > to you on a platter in your native modular format, nooooo you're > worried > about ordering one because the box might arrive a little late? I'll > just hang > up my soldering iron for a little while now and go out and smell the > roses > after reading your post. > > Honestly, show a little more spine will ya'! > > Cynthia > --------------------------------------------------- > > > I agree somewhat with John. But for me... I like to hear lots and lots > of demos of what modules can do... not just two, three, or four > audio-clips... but where and how the module(s) is/are involved in some > complex patches... where you can hear the patch 'with', and 'without' > the featured module, and/or set-up differently. Text descriptions are > fine, and expected. But demos... and especially video demos really > help.Ya know... some folks are timid with their use of modules and the > patches they are doing... some are 'wOwied' buy sounds that some of us > (well, speaking only for myself, here).... "that I" am not all that > impressed with, or that I can achieve the same "sounding" effect > without buying, and deciding what module(s) I have to remove, in order > to use the new module. I could buy the Sawtooth Animator, and find all > sorts of uses for it... and perhaps, use it quite a bit. But also, for > all I know, it might turn out that I would only find need of it 2-3 > times in a year. I'm not picking on that particular module... not at > all. That's how I look at any module. (of course, I don't drink, > either.) : ( > > Again... speaking only for myself... I am particularly interested in > modules which have multiple applications and functions (or can be used > as such). And, I want to hear (and hear about), as many of these > things as possible. I want to read about how the demo's author used > the module for that sound, and how he/she uses it for other > applications. All too often, the sample-sounds posted on synth module > sites are dull, one-dimensional, and really, not all that informative > (at least for the long-time modular synth people). And, I think it's > true to one degree or another with all companies (dotcom, MOTM, > Cyndustires, COTK, Billy-Bob's House of Modules, etc). Yes, there are > exceptions... but sometimes, or often, those exceptions aren't demos > of modules that I am interested in. I hear, or have heard, modules > which sounded kinda 'neat'... but- in thinking of how I would use this > module, without overusing it's distictive sound or effect... that's > something I consider very much. Think of the 'gated spring reverb' > effect. It's a great sound/effect... but you're not gonna use it all > that often. > > In the last few years, I've bought/built several modules that > ultimately, I was disappointed in, and ended-up selling. Others... I > just didn't find enough uses for them to warrant keeping them, living > in a limited real estate environment (158-space cabinets). I've got > only a few modules which I've found I don't need X copies of, and > would sell/trade to replace them with something else. But- that > 'something-else module' will have to be something I'm real sure is > going to be worth it to me... being 'a keeper'... and, so that I don't > end-up reselling at a loss of time and money. I know we all wish > modules were sold commonly at ever 'Guitar Center/Musician's Friend', > so we could easily 'try before we buy'. But that ain't gonna happen. > > There's a log of guys who just like trying new modules, and don't mind > trading them off down the road, if those modules aren't what they had > hoped, or just aren't being used. Some people are just starting their > experimenting with analog modular systems... and may not know what to > expect, or even care. They're just experiencing what we 'old-timers' > have all gone through... way back whenever. But after 35 years, I > pretty-much know what types of things I can make use of... and if I > can hear different ways modules can be put to work, and read about > it... and perhaps even see it demonstrated on video... I think I'd be > more likely to check-out modules which I think will offer what I want. > And there are a couple of Cyndustries modules I might buy... if they > were available in dotcom format... but those aren't... (yet) ; ) > > > > > >
2007-12-30 by David Vandenberg
--- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, "Cynthia" <cynthia.webster@...>
wrote:
>We are working ourselves silly, working long long hours behind the
>scenes to get these to you. Never mind the difficulties of releasing
>a great new product in all of the popular modular formats, and
>designing and delivering the most advanced sonic engine ever offered
>- and served to you on a platter in your native modular format,
>nooooo you're worried about ordering one because the box might
>arrive a little late? I'll just hang up my soldering iron for a
>little while now and go out and smell the roses after reading your
>post.
>Honestly, show a little more spine will ya'!
> Cynthia
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You should thank your luck stars that anyone would want to deal with
you, when you have that kind of attitude! Your not God's gift to
synthesizers, so have a little respect for your customer base!
Dave2007-12-31 by mcb, inc.
On Sun, 30 Dec 2007, David Vandenberg wrote: > You should thank your luck stars that anyone would want to deal with > you, when you have that kind of attitude! Your not God's gift to > synthesizers, so have a little respect for your customer base! Suit & Tie Guy: As soon as your ankle heals, could you build a dotcom-format humor detector with irony sensitivity control? Clearly the community is in desperate need of one.... -- Monty Brandenberg
2007-12-31 by Scott Deyo
Oh, and it should be said about all that "on a platter in your native format" stuff -- if it's not making you money, don't do it. It's business. It's never the customer's fault that 'e puts up a large amount of ching (some of us are not what you'd call well-off), and gets antsy when it takes a while. Have them in stock or put up w/ the complaints. I've heard other manufacturers compain about that, too, and it bugs me. It's the manufacturers' faults if we're doing business on the fly. Yes, this biz is hard. Yes, the money to get these things off the ground is immense, especially something like the ZO. I could never pull that off in a million years, and I applaud that you've done it. But getting mad at customers for expecting good customer service is a bit out of line. And I should also say that I've had a customer waiting a LONG time for a DotCom module, and he's still waiting, and I appreciate it. But if he emails me and says "You sumbitch, gimme my scratch back!", I will apologize and send it back. It is _my_ fault. I am not a good businessperson! : ) Cheers, Scott Deyo The Bridechamber contact@bridechamber.com www.bridechamber.com On Dec 30, 2007, at 4:21 PM, Scott Deyo wrote: > I had a friend who started a DotCom system. I tried to talk him into > MOTM so I could make him WaveBanks, CV blah-blah processors, etc. > He wasn't interested. He wanted DotCom because he wanted something as > close to Moog as possible. He didn't want _new_ sounds, he wanted > _old_ sounds. > Maybe he's an exception, but I think DotCom is very similar to Moog in > both look and mindset, and that attracts certain customers. > > Think of it this way: People wouldn't normally buy into DotCom if they > were bothered by the lack of "non-traditional" modules. Also, no one > approaches an expensive modular system without research as to what is > readily available. Q.e.d, those who start off in DotCom are mostly > interested in traditional sounds. > (And maybe assembled modules that are inexpensive too : ) > > It has nothing to do w/ spine. It's just a different mindset. > The exceptions are probably most people in this group, and everyone > who bought a ZO. > > Cheers! Scott Deyo The Bridechamber contact@bridechamber.com www.bridechamber.com
> > On Dec 30, 2007, at 2:57 PM, ~Morbius~ wrote: > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Cynthia >> To: dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:42 PM >> Subject: [dotcomformat] Re: Cyndustries Sawtooth Animator >> >> >> --- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, "legravin" <legravin@...> wrote: >> > >> > Has anyone on the list ordered and/or received a Sawtooth Animator >> from >> > Cyndustries? >> >> Hello Legravin! >> >> I find it particularly odd however that for a Yahoo Group with >> probably >> the largest number of members in the total Yahoo Synthesizer Group >> of all synth Communities it would seem from our sales records that >> Synthesizer Dot Com users are the most timid of the lot, and less >> likely >> to try new things. (I would of course love to be proven wrong in my >> impression) >> >> For example, we have pre-sold (25) Motm format Sawtooth Animators >> and as of today.... only (4) in the Dotcom format. Why is that? >> >> We are working ourselves silly, working long long hours behind the >> scenes to get these to you. Nevermind the difficulties of releasing a >> great new product in all of the popular modular formats, and designing >> and delivering the most advanced sonic engine ever offered - and >> served >> to you on a platter in your native modular format, nooooo you're >> worried >> about ordering one because the box might arrive a little late? I'll >> just hang >> up my soldering iron for a little while now and go out and smell the >> roses >> after reading your post. >> >> Honestly, show a little more spine will ya'! >> >> Cynthia >> --------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> I agree somewhat with John. But for me... I like to hear lots and >> lots of demos of what modules can do... not just two, three, or four >> audio-clips... but where and how the module(s) is/are involved in >> some complex patches... where you can hear the patch 'with', and >> 'without' the featured module, and/or set-up differently. Text >> descriptions are fine, and expected. But demos... and especially >> video demos really help.Ya know... some folks are timid with their >> use of modules and the patches they are doing... some are 'wOwied' >> buy sounds that some of us (well, speaking only for myself, here).... >> "that I" am not all that impressed with, or that I can achieve the >> same "sounding" effect without buying, and deciding what module(s) I >> have to remove, in order to use the new module. I could buy the >> Sawtooth Animator, and find all sorts of uses for it... and perhaps, >> use it quite a bit. But also, for all I know, it might turn out that >> I would only find need of it 2-3 times in a year. I'm not picking on >> that particular module... not at all. That's how I look at any >> module. (of course, I don't drink, either.) : ( >> >> Again... speaking only for myself... I am particularly interested in >> modules which have multiple applications and functions (or can be >> used as such). And, I want to hear (and hear about), as many of these >> things as possible. I want to read about how the demo's author used >> the module for that sound, and how he/she uses it for other >> applications. All too often, the sample-sounds posted on synth module >> sites are dull, one-dimensional, and really, not all that informative >> (at least for the long-time modular synth people). And, I think it's >> true to one degree or another with all companies (dotcom, MOTM, >> Cyndustires, COTK, Billy-Bob's House of Modules, etc). Yes, there are >> exceptions... but sometimes, or often, those exceptions aren't demos >> of modules that I am interested in. I hear, or have heard, modules >> which sounded kinda 'neat'... but- in thinking of how I would use >> this module, without overusing it's distictive sound or effect... >> that's something I consider very much. Think of the 'gated spring >> reverb' effect. It's a great sound/effect... but you're not gonna use >> it all that often. >> >> In the last few years, I've bought/built several modules that >> ultimately, I was disappointed in, and ended-up selling. Others... I >> just didn't find enough uses for them to warrant keeping them, living >> in a limited real estate environment (158-space cabinets). I've got >> only a few modules which I've found I don't need X copies of, and >> would sell/trade to replace them with something else. But- that >> 'something-else module' will have to be something I'm real sure is >> going to be worth it to me... being 'a keeper'... and, so that I >> don't end-up reselling at a loss of time and money. I know we all >> wish modules were sold commonly at ever 'Guitar Center/Musician's >> Friend', so we could easily 'try before we buy'. But that ain't gonna >> happen. >> >> There's a log of guys who just like trying new modules, and don't >> mind trading them off down the road, if those modules aren't what >> they had hoped, or just aren't being used. Some people are just >> starting their experimenting with analog modular systems... and may >> not know what to expect, or even care. They're just experiencing what >> we 'old-timers' have all gone through... way back whenever. But after >> 35 years, I pretty-much know what types of things I can make use >> of... and if I can hear different ways modules can be put to work, >> and read about it... and perhaps even see it demonstrated on video... >> I think I'd be more likely to check-out modules which I think will >> offer what I want. And there are a couple of Cyndustries modules I >> might buy... if they were available in dotcom format... but those >> aren't... (yet) ; ) >> >> >> >> >> >>
2008-01-04 by Larry T.
Cynthia In some cases, it's ALL about the money. I've wanted to have a modular synthesizer since the mid '70s. Over the years, I've bought a kit her or there (I actually have one or two PAIA 2700 modules somewhere, still waiting to be assembled). Some MOTM, CGS, EFM, Blacet, and miscellaneous others. But I never got started as I did not have enough to make anything functional. Then I got a few extra $ and discovered the DotCom systems. I actually had enough to buy something that I could make music (noise?) with! I bought a slightly modified version of the Rack-24 system and was on my way. I have since completed several of the MOTM and Blacet kits I have, I've ordered more, and I'm still building. But the single biggest issue is still $ (hence so many kits I have to build). Would I like a ZO, HECK YES! Can I afford a ZO, nope :( Am I a DotCom 'snob', no! I am definitely building a Frankensynth! But most of what I have that is not DotCom is bare PCBs or kits. I do prefer the 1/4" format as I'm 6'3" and have big, clumsy hands. I've broken a couple of 1/8" jack over the years, so my Blacet panels are mounted in adapters and have 1/4" jacks to access the patch points. I've 'shopped' just about every format there is, and DotCom provides all the basics at the best prices I've been able to find. Maybe one of these days a rich relative will pass on and leave me a bundle in their will, in which case Cyndustries and Modcan will both be getting a couple of decently sized orders. In the mean time, keep on making neat modules I can't afford (yet) and please, do take some time to smell the roses, before the solder fumes wreck your nose and you can't :-) Larry T. (not at all timid, Cyundustries wanabe customer) --- In dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com, Scott Deyo <contact@...> wrote: > > I had a friend who started a DotCom system. I tried to talk him into > MOTM so I could make him WaveBanks, CV blah-blah processors, etc. > He wasn't interested. He wanted DotCom because he wanted something as > close to Moog as possible. He didn't want _new_ sounds, he wanted _old_ > sounds. > Maybe he's an exception, but I think DotCom is very similar to Moog in > both look and mindset, and that attracts certain customers. > > Think of it this way: People wouldn't normally buy into DotCom if they > were bothered by the lack of "non-traditional" modules. Also, no one > approaches an expensive modular system without research as to what is > readily available. Q.e.d, those who start off in DotCom are mostly > interested in traditional sounds. > (And maybe assembled modules that are inexpensive too : ) > > It has nothing to do w/ spine. It's just a different mindset. > The exceptions are probably most people in this group, and everyone who > bought a ZO. > > Cheers! > Scott Deyo > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Cynthia > > To: dotcomformat@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 1:42 PM > > Subject: [dotcomformat] Re: Cyndustries Sawtooth Animator > > Hello Legravin! > > > > I find it particularly odd however that for a Yahoo Group with probably > > the largest number of members in the total Yahoo Synthesizer Group > > of all synth Communities it would seem from our sales records that > > Synthesizer Dot Com users are the most timid of the lot, and less > > likely > > to try new things. (I would of course love to be proven wrong in my > > impression) > > <- snip -> > > Cynthia