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More Miniwave Chat

2005-08-12 by Dana Countryman

Howdy ---

So, I've decided to get a Blacet/MOTM Miniwave.

Is there anyone on this list who would gather the parts and assemble 
one for me, for a fee of course? It has to be the MOTM version with the 
panel from Larry Hendry.

Too busy to do it myself, right now...

 - Dana

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RE: [dotcomformat] More Miniwave Chat

2005-08-12 by SCOT SOLIDA

I'd be gald to do that for you, Dana...Let me know via e-mail.



Scot Solida
The Electronic Garden
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>So, I've decided to get a Blacet/MOTM Miniwave.
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>Is there anyone on this list who would gather the parts and assemble
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>panel from Larry Hendry.
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Re: [dotcomformat] More Miniwave Chat

2005-08-12 by steven o'connor

Hi Scott

I'd love one too (after I've paid for the 960 series!)...but don't  
have the experience to build a kit.

Maybe we can all get together and get a .com panel made?

I'd have some spare $$ in september.

Steven
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>> So, I've decided to get a Blacet/MOTM Miniwave.
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>> Is there anyone on this list who would gather the parts and assemble
>> one for me, for a fee of course? It has to be the MOTM version  
>> with the
>> panel from Larry Hendry.
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>> Too busy to do it myself, right now...
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Re: [dotcomformat] More Miniwave Chat

2005-08-12 by SCOT SOLIDA

Steve, I have a simple Dotcom panel for my MiniWave...it'd be no problem to 
print another.



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>Hi Scott
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>I'd love one too (after I've paid for the 960 series!)...but don't
>have the experience to build a kit.
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>Maybe we can all get together and get a .com panel made?
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> >> So, I've decided to get a Blacet/MOTM Miniwave.
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> >> Is there anyone on this list who would gather the parts and assemble
> >> one for me, for a fee of course? It has to be the MOTM version
> >> with the
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Re: [dotcomformat] More Miniwave Chat

2005-08-12 by Steven OConnor

Great - it look like we've got a decent number together!

So Scott - how much would it cost us (if you're willing) to build the kits and print the .com panels?
I assume it'll be just as easy to screen 4/5 as a single one?
Maybe build a few spares - I'm sure they'd be takers...

I'm totally modular-fundless thanks to Roger's 960 series - so late sept is the earliest for me...

Thanks VERY much for the offer of doing this - later on I'd love the motm filters and a doepfer quantiser (if Roger's doesn't materialize soon) in .com format.

Is the panel graphic u/l somewhere?

Steven




On 12 Aug 2005, at 21:00, SCOT SOLIDA wrote:

Steve, I have a simple Dotcom panel for my MiniWave...it'd be no problem to
print another.



Scot Solida
The Electronic Garden





From: steven o'connor <stevenoconnor@freeuk.com>
Subject: Re: [dotcomformat] More Miniwave Chat
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 20:28:22 +0100

Hi Scott

I'd love one too (after I've paid for the 960 series!)...but don't
have the experience to build a kit.

Maybe we can all get together and get a .com panel made?

I'd have some spare $$ in september.

Steven



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I'd be gald to do that for you, Dana...Let me know via e-mail.



Scot Solida
The Electronic Garden






From: "Dana Countryman" <dana@danacountryman.com>
Subject: [dotcomformat] More Miniwave Chat
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2005 15:53:50 -0000

Howdy ---

So, I've decided to get a Blacet/MOTM Miniwave.

Is there anyone on this list who would gather the parts and assemble
one for me, for a fee of course? It has to be the MOTM version
with the
panel from Larry Hendry.

Too busy to do it myself, right now...

- Dana

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Re: [dotcomformat] More Miniwave Chat

2005-08-12 by SCOT SOLIDA

Hi guys...

Wow!  I didn't expect such a response...but it isn't more than I am willing 
to do.  Here's what i can do...if you guys send me the kits and the blank 
panels, I can take it from there.  It seems like enough people want these 
that I may just order a few blanks from Roger and keep them around.  There 
will be a bit more supplies needed, such as 1/4" jacks and the 50k pots, 
plus the mounting materials (I have made my own large "L" brackets for 
these.  I may do that for yours too, or an "L" shaped plate.

The kits take around a day to solder up, and the panels take a day or less 
to print and drill.  Yeah, it is as easy to print a few at a time as it is 
to print one.  My own MiniWave graphic has a different letter style, and is 
very "plain".  I will whip one up that matches the Dotcom format and 
spacing.  They probably won't be perfect, but they will look good, 
nevertheless.

I will need to do these from the kits...it is a pain to convert a pre-made 
Blacet module to Dotcom format, because I have to remove the PCB-mounted 
pots and LEDs.

Give me an e-mail to let me know.  As for the costs...well, figure that 
Blacet charges 59 bucks difference between kits and assembled modules.  
Plus, I'd need to get the jacks and pots (figure $1.99 to $2.50 each...total 
of around $20 for a MiniWave) and the Dotcom knobs ($4 each, total of $16).  
Let's call it, oh, a hundred bucks for the whole deal.  If that sounds good, 
drop me a line when you need one, and I'll get you my address.

For anyone simply wanting a MiniWave MOTM, just send me the kit (with panel 
and such) and it'll be $60+shipping to assemble (same as if you bought an 
assembled Blacet).  Sound fair?

Scot Solida
The Electronic Garden

Re: More Miniwave Chat

2005-09-25 by dragonflymodular

Hi all

Continuing this from a while back...
My friend has bought an engraving machine so I've decided to build the
motm miniwave kit myself and make a dotcom engraved panel (maybe even
black lettering on white...)

My questions:
1. Is the miniwave a good first kit to build ie not too dificult?
2. Does it come as a complete kit similar to the motm's that I've seen
- as well labeled etc?
3. If I make a complete mess, or stop half way through (something I
seem to do in life) can I just send it off to you Scott for the $100
special?
4. Does anyone else want a dotcom engraved panel? Once we make the
graphic it'll be very easy to make more...

Thanks

Steven



> Hi guys...
> 
> Wow!  I didn't expect such a response...but it isn't more than I am
willing 
> to do.  Here's what i can do...if you guys send me the kits and the
blank 
> panels, I can take it from there.  It seems like enough people want
these 
> that I may just order a few blanks from Roger and keep them around.
 There 
> will be a bit more supplies needed, such as 1/4" jacks and the 50k
pots, 
> plus the mounting materials (I have made my own large "L" brackets for 
> these.  I may do that for yours too, or an "L" shaped plate.
> 
> The kits take around a day to solder up, and the panels take a day
or less 
> to print and drill.  Yeah, it is as easy to print a few at a time as
it is 
> to print one.  My own MiniWave graphic has a different letter style,
and is 
> very "plain".  I will whip one up that matches the Dotcom format and 
> spacing.  They probably won't be perfect, but they will look good, 
> nevertheless.
> 
> I will need to do these from the kits...it is a pain to convert a
pre-made 
> Blacet module to Dotcom format, because I have to remove the
PCB-mounted 
> pots and LEDs.
> 
> Give me an e-mail to let me know.  As for the costs...well, figure that 
> Blacet charges 59 bucks difference between kits and assembled modules.  
> Plus, I'd need to get the jacks and pots (figure $1.99 to $2.50
each...total 
> of around $20 for a MiniWave) and the Dotcom knobs ($4 each, total
of $16).  
> Let's call it, oh, a hundred bucks for the whole deal.  If that
sounds good, 
> drop me a line when you need one, and I'll get you my address.
> 
> For anyone simply wanting a MiniWave MOTM, just send me the kit
(with panel 
> and such) and it'll be $60+shipping to assemble (same as if you
bought an 
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> 
> Scot Solida
> The Electronic Garden

Re: More Miniwave Chat

2005-09-25 by ~Morbius~

What material were you thinking of engraving on? And- what type of engraver did your friend buy? I've done engraving (including laser-engraving) for many years, on all sorts of materials... and rigidity is going to be a factor... esp. it being used to patch in & out of. Usually, engraving onto material that is an unknown... like a painted aluminum blank, it is wise to try it out on a 'sacrifice' piece to determine if it's gonna work, and if so, how well.
At one time, I thought of reverse-engraving on some thick plexi... flaming the edges, and painting the backside of the plex one color (black or white) (or even leaving it clear) and painting the engrave graphics & lettering another color. I also had thought about using a 3-D laser-engraver, so you could have raised letters and graphics. I decided against that because basically, unless you do the entire system that way, it'll look very odd.... and no matter what, to do an entire system is going to be a whole lotta work. I just don't think that no matter what engraving method used, that one engraved module is going to match all of the other modules that have been silkscreened... well, I'll be surprised if it does.
~Morbius~
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Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 4:38 PM
Subject: [dotcomformat] Re: More Miniwave Chat

Hi all

Continuing this from a while back...
My friend has bought an engraving machine so I've decided to build the
motm miniwave kit myself and make a dotcom engraved panel (maybe even
black lettering on white...)

My questions:
1. Is the miniwave a good first kit to build ie not too dificult?
2. Does it come as a complete kit similar to the motm's that I've seen
- as well labeled etc?
3. If I make a complete mess, or stop half way through (something I
seem to do in life) can I just send it off to you Scott for the $100
special?
4. Does anyone else want a dotcom engraved panel? Once we make the
graphic it'll be very easy to make more...

Thanks

Steven



> Hi guys...
>
> Wow! I didn't expect such a response...but it isn't more than I am
willing
> to do. Here's what i can do...if you guys send me the kits and the
blank
> panels, I can take it from there. It seems like enough people want
these
> that I may just order a few blanks from Roger and keep them around.
There
> will be a bit more supplies needed, such as 1/4" jacks and the 50k
pots,
> plus the mounting materials (I have made my own large "L" brackets for
> these. I may do that for yours too, or an "L" shaped plate.
>
> The kits take around a day to solder up, and the panels take a day
or less
> to print and drill. Yeah, it is as easy to print a few at a time as
it is
> to print one. My own MiniWave graphic has a different letter style,
and is
> very "plain". I will whip one up that matches the Dotcom format and
> spacing. They probably won't be perfect, but they will look good,
> nevertheless.
>
> I will need to do these from the kits...it is a pain to convert a
pre-made
> Blacet module to Dotcom format, because I have to remove the
PCB-mounted
> pots and LEDs.
>
> Give me an e-mail to let me know. As for the costs...well, figure that
> Blacet charges 59 bucks difference between kits and assembled modules.
> Plus, I'd need to get the jacks and pots (figure $1.99 to $2.50
each...total
> of around $20 for a MiniWave) and the Dotcom knobs ($4 each, total
of $16).
> Let's call it, oh, a hundred bucks for the whole deal. If that
sounds good,
> drop me a line when you need one, and I'll get you my address.
>
> For anyone simply wanting a MiniWave MOTM, just send me the kit
(with panel
> and such) and it'll be $60+shipping to assemble (same as if you
bought an
> assembled Blacet). Sound fair?
>
> Scot Solida
> The Electronic Garden



RE: [dotcomformat] Re: More Miniwave Chat

2005-09-26 by SCOT SOLIDA

Steve, no problem if you get stuck, I can finish it for you.  However, I 
doubt if you will get stuck.  It really sin't hard to build.  The boards 
that Blacet use are very forgiving.  They are coated and easy to solder.  
The instructions are very concise and easy to follow.  I have built a lot of 
kits and DIY projects, and Blacet stuff is among the best of the lot, in my 
opinion.

If engraving doesn't work, or you change your mind, let me know.  I'm just 
now setting up a new art positive for a fellow Dotcommer's Miniwave panel.  
Once I have done that, I will keep the screen around so that I can easily 
run off Miniwave panels as needed.

Seems a waste to keep ONLY a MiniWave on the big screen.  I can put another 
panel on there with room to spare.  I wonder what are other popular Blacet 
kits to Dotcom'ize?  maybe Stonz?  Filthy Filter?  Ooooh, maybe Frequency 
Divider!

Scot Solida
The Electronic Garden
www.computermusic.co.uk

Re: [dotcomformat] Re: More Miniwave Chat

2005-09-26 by steven o'connor

It's just a cheap old cnc engraver. Have you tried this on a standard dotcom panel?
My first attempt would be to engrave out the black to leave the natural metal colour for the text.
This way it wouldn't need to be a deep cut and shouldn't affect rigidity too much?

He's also bought a dye sublimation system that I can try. It gives an amazing, tight finish and is very cheap and quick. Perfect for adding little mods later...
I'm not sure of the limitations yet - maybe the dotcom panels are too 'bumpy' for this process and it won't print onto black? Maybe black on custom white panels for the whole system.
(I've probably come to the same conclusion as you - do the whole system one way or don't bother...)


Along with building a few kits I'd also like a good way of dotcoming a few doepfer things - mostly utility stuff.
I've built a little 15v - 12v converter that works and could be cheap enough to have one per doepfer unit (I don't like the idea of having a 12v bus somewhere - too limiting for module placement). You just plug in the std dotcom harness one end, and the std doepfer connector the other.
But then add the hardware costs, the new pot and socket wiring - and suddenly you have a very expensive doepfer quality module!
Then I look to Ken Stone et al with their crazy little kits/pcbs that do interesting stuff - maybe that's the way to go??
Or just spend more time actually making music with my system!

I already miss the Oakley concept - prepopulated boards are perfect for someone like me...

Steven



On 25 Sep 2005, at 23:30, ~Morbius~ wrote:

What material were you thinking of engraving on? And- what type of engraver did your friend buy? I've done engraving (including laser-engraving) for many years, on all sorts of materials... and rigidity is going to be a factor... esp. it being used to patch in & out of. Usually, engraving onto material that is an unknown... like a painted aluminum blank, it is wise to try it out on a 'sacrifice' piece to determine if it's gonna work, and if so, how well.
At one time, I thought of reverse-engraving on some thick plexi... flaming the edges, and painting the backside of the plex one color (black or white) (or even leaving it clear) and painting the engrave graphics & lettering another color. I also had thought about using a 3-D laser-engraver, so you could have raised letters and graphics. I decided against that because basically, unless you do the entire system that way, it'll look very odd.... and no matter what, to do an entire system is going to be a whole lotta work. I just don't think that no matter what engraving method used, that one engraved module is going to match all of the other modules that have been silkscreened... well, I'll be surprised if it does.
~Morbius~
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2005 4:38 PM
Subject: [dotcomformat] Re: More Miniwave Chat

Hi all

Continuing this from a while back...
My friend has bought an engraving machine so I've decided to build the
motm miniwave kit myself and make a dotcom engraved panel (maybe even
black lettering on white...)

My questions:
1. Is the miniwave a good first kit to build ie not too dificult?
2. Does it come as a complete kit similar to the motm's that I've seen
- as well labeled etc?
3. If I make a complete mess, or stop half way through (something I
seem to do in life) can I just send it off to you Scott for the $100
special?
4. Does anyone else want a dotcom engraved panel? Once we make the
graphic it'll be very easy to make more...

Thanks

Steven



> Hi guys...
>
> Wow! I didn't expect such a response...but it isn't more than I am
willing
> to do. Here's what i can do...if you guys send me the kits and the
blank
> panels, I can take it from there. It seems like enough people want
these
> that I may just order a few blanks from Roger and keep them around.
There
> will be a bit more supplies needed, such as 1/4" jacks and the 50k
pots,
> plus the mounting materials (I have made my own large "L" brackets for
> these. I may do that for yours too, or an "L" shaped plate.
>
> The kits take around a day to solder up, and the panels take a day
or less
> to print and drill. Yeah, it is as easy to print a few at a time as
it is
> to print one. My own MiniWave graphic has a different letter style,
and is
> very "plain". I will whip one up that matches the Dotcom format and
> spacing. They probably won't be perfect, but they will look good,
> nevertheless.
>
> I will need to do these from the kits...it is a pain to convert a
pre-made
> Blacet module to Dotcom format, because I have to remove the
PCB-mounted
> pots and LEDs.
>
> Give me an e-mail to let me know. As for the costs...well, figure that
> Blacet charges 59 bucks difference between kits and assembled modules.
> Plus, I'd need to get the jacks and pots (figure $1.99 to $2.50
each...total
> of around $20 for a MiniWave) and the Dotcom knobs ($4 each, total
of $16).
> Let's call it, oh, a hundred bucks for the whole deal. If that
sounds good,
> drop me a line when you need one, and I'll get you my address.
>
> For anyone simply wanting a MiniWave MOTM, just send me the kit
(with panel
> and such) and it'll be $60+shipping to assemble (same as if you
bought an
> assembled Blacet). Sound fair?
>
> Scot Solida
> The Electronic Garden




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Re: [dotcomformat] Re: More Miniwave Chat

2005-09-26 by steven o'connor

Steve, no problem if you get stuck, I can finish it for you. However, I
doubt if you will get stuck. It really sin't hard to build. The boards
that Blacet use are very forgiving. They are coated and easy to solder.
The instructions are very concise and easy to follow. I have built a lot of
kits and DIY projects, and Blacet stuff is among the best of the lot, in my
opinion.

Great to hear - I'll give my girlfriend my birthday requests - which at the moment just consists of modules, and more modules...

If engraving doesn't work, or you change your mind, let me know. I'm just
now setting up a new art positive for a fellow Dotcommer's Miniwave panel.
Once I have done that, I will keep the screen around so that I can easily
run off Miniwave panels as needed.

Could you post the artwork for this? Is it a convincing dotcom style?

Seems a waste to keep ONLY a MiniWave on the big screen. I can put another
panel on there with room to spare. I wonder what are other popular Blacet
kits to Dotcom'ize? maybe Stonz? Filthy Filter? Ooooh, maybe Frequency
Divider!

Given this quote from the blacet Freq Div:
"For DIYers there are provisions to add extra outputs as desired. For instance, the rotary switch can be duplicated and wired in parallel as all the second divider outputs are simultaneously available."
Does that mean you could have up to all 12 outputs on the panel - rather than a rotary switch? ie One VCO input and 12 divided outputs? Sounds great to me!

Steven

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