Elektron Musical Instruments

--- daniel_elektron <daniel@...> schrieb:

 The goal of
> the Machinedrum is to make the "worlds best drum
> machine" not to make
> the "worlds most versatile drum machine".
> 


great..than do it...
I can claim that i ve worked intesiv with most of the
availible drum machines... 
The worlds best drummachine is yet to be born...
really...

There are good things and bad things in all of them..
An 808 that could be brought to recordmode while
running would be close to perfection...

the 32 step sequencer of the vermona DRM1 is a great
interface...

the pads of an mpc allowe realtime input that
matters...

The MD has a synthesis engine that opens the world of
dsp sounds for people that cant patch... it grooves..

The handling is really fucking strange... Its much
better now with os 1.32 and above...but its not so
long ago that you couldnt copy a pattern without
loosing your sound tweaks when you just did the copy
without safing the kit before... autsch...

sorry..that was not even close to the behavior i
expect from the worlds best drum machine...
Also that it cant be master clock while reciving
external sync is not really top of the pops...
However..as long its your goal to have the worlds best
drummachine you will get there..
I would like that  ;-)...



> ..and I know that people will hate me for that. :)
> But I'm very much
> of the belief that too many options and choices
> easily stand in the
> way of creativity. 

To much menu stepping isnt good for creativity
either..sometimes user options are great... expert
functions like track offsets are essential on a
machine as the mpc ...to much functions in something
as simple as a drumcomputer? in relation to a daw it
never can get the pain level..
But i agree that features should make sense and it
should be a streamlined package... nord modular versus
reaktor is a good example...
But a certain level of complexity is possible..
Anyway..good features have higher impact with simple
usage..
I once asked for a perforamce song mode where you can
select songs as you select patterns... just press a
button and use songs as macro patterns...
New feature but in the endresult more simple to use
than selecting songs in a display menu...
Just an example...
The MD is not my drummachine with the highest
performance factor..
it has a good performance factor..but its not the best
of the world..

electribes sound crap..but better performance
factor...808 ..cant do much..but much higher
performance factor..the fill button..wow..

Mpc.. also not bad..similar to MD..

Vermona... linndrum... 707...909...
just the exsitence of a dedicated volume knob for each
instrumnet creates a high performance factor...

Pattern copy on the md while running... you allways
get a nasty gap..
there are machines that handel a pattern copy without
loosing output...

Worlds best drummachine? one of the best..but still
can be improoved..

> Another note on the guy that got that 120bpm on the
> Machinedrum
> doesn't agree with Protools 120bpm. This is actually
> the exact result
> we have got. 120bpm ran alongside Protools for hours
>

That was me..and i wish the MD would have a timebase
like a pc..theese days the timebase of
cubase..logic...live--protools is the same..
on pc and apple..
this is pretty new... 7 years ago we had problems
there..but now  its possible to work in free
sync..exept when you have hardware drummachines as
clockmaster..there is none that matches the PC
timebase... none... like usual an mpc 3000 gives you a
better 120 bpm as an electribe... but...  free sync is
when you can go at least 3-5 minutes with no restart
need... 

I really cant see how you managed to run in parralel
with a modern protools system for hours... but i ve
another MD here now..maybe the are different? i check
again.. 
But the MD i had before was clearly not running at the
same speed as protools , Live ,Logic




> 
> What would be very interesting would be if people
> would do test tracks
> with different drum machines, and see if they enjoy
> the timing better

Sure...we do that every day...  i ve 5 drum sources
theese days..i had less in the past..and more in the
past i had much more...actually all of them in one
studio... the all behave different...run a 909 at 260
bpm and you get it shuffling like hell..

The MD has a good groove..but an 808 that is 100%
tight has a good groove aswell..its the sound engine
that makes it swing..rather a decay and phase thing
..but the envelope starts sample accurat in refference
to a 44,1k sample clock...
So groove has many factors... precission is not
necessarily a bad thing as you can see with the 808...
but its not everything as you can see with the MD... 



> from one or the other. I read about one guy that
> rest and sampled each
> microsetting of the an and got so pissed it didn't
> sound like an 808

The art of sampling analog drummachines is not known
by many people...  you cant just sample the sound and
expect it to sound...
Its the tweakability that makes this machines groovy..

Make a track and give it a propper mixdown..sample
afterwards your 808 or 909 1:1 with all eq and level
settings...

You will have a good 808/909 sample set because the
sounds are in relation to each other...

It never works when you have theese 3 bd 4 snares kind
of sets..

One good tuned set of drums...with synth drum machines
your chance is much higher to get a good tuned set..
That is the strength of the MD that makes it better
than a MPC...#



> at all in his sampler - a typical example where the
> sequencer plays a
> part of the sound. He bought one later (808 that
> is). :)


Sequencer...yes..important..but its the tweakability
of the sounds that makes a 808 sing...Marvin Gays
Sexual Healing...
Best 808  track ever...

> 
> Daniel, Elektron - Pro mysticism and undocumented
> secrets that users
> dig up sooner or later :)
> 
> PS. About the kit edit implementation - I agree it's
> not optimally
> designed. It's so tight with buttons & functions
> though. The up/down
> is probably the only ones left!

yep...they need a good use :-) i think the idea to
make tham jump buttons to most used suppages is not
bad..
just the question which...

down..is kit edit..up is master fx..?
function up is kit load..function down is kit safe?

maybe user definable is not bad... a bit again the
generic machine concept..but aslong its just 2
buttons?
wouldnt turn the MD into some kind of logic alike
monster...

Logic is really a mess regarding the user
interface..everything is possible... but be in another
studio without your setup is like being a total
beginner again...




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