Elektron Musical Instruments

Hey Silvia,

Later this year we may have another possible claim to the world's best drummachine - the BoomChick from Dave Smith.  It will be quite an interesting marriage between Mr. Machinedrum and Ms. BoomChick.  Or maybe you should arrange a threesome with your MPC.  ;-)

One note on your email - the reason the EMX and ESX Electribes "sound like crap" is a sneaky Korg fact (hey, Elektron's not the only ones...).  Many of the factory default drum samples are sampled at 32kHz, as are many of the other factory samples.  If you put 44.1kHz sound files in the ESX, you may be somewhat surprised at the good quality.  Furthermore, if you use the EMX's "synth parts" as simple drum parts, you can coax some extremely harsh digital noise out of that box that even makes the MD want to cover his inputs...


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Silvia Tubig 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 9:15 PM
  Subject: RE: [elektron] Elektron's timing "signature" (was Re: advice Monomachine and Machine Drum or Sp



  --- daniel_elektron <daniel@...> schrieb:

  The goal of
  > the Machinedrum is to make the "worlds best drum
  > machine" not to make
  > the "worlds most versatile drum machine".
  > 

  great..than do it...
  I can claim that i ve worked intesiv with most of the
  availible drum machines... 
  The worlds best drummachine is yet to be born...
  really...

  There are good things and bad things in all of them..
  An 808 that could be brought to recordmode while
  running would be close to perfection...

  the 32 step sequencer of the vermona DRM1 is a great
  interface...

  the pads of an mpc allowe realtime input that
  matters...

  The MD has a synthesis engine that opens the world of
  dsp sounds for people that cant patch... it grooves..

  The handling is really fucking strange... Its much
  better now with os 1.32 and above...but its not so
  long ago that you couldnt copy a pattern without
  loosing your sound tweaks when you just did the copy
  without safing the kit before... autsch...

  sorry..that was not even close to the behavior i
  expect from the worlds best drum machine...
  Also that it cant be master clock while reciving
  external sync is not really top of the pops...
  However..as long its your goal to have the worlds best
  drummachine you will get there..
  I would like that ;-)...

  > ..and I know that people will hate me for that. :)
  > But I'm very much
  > of the belief that too many options and choices
  > easily stand in the
  > way of creativity. 

  To much menu stepping isnt good for creativity
  either..sometimes user options are great... expert
  functions like track offsets are essential on a
  machine as the mpc ...to much functions in something
  as simple as a drumcomputer? in relation to a daw it
  never can get the pain level..
  But i agree that features should make sense and it
  should be a streamlined package... nord modular versus
  reaktor is a good example...
  But a certain level of complexity is possible..
  Anyway..good features have higher impact with simple
  usage..
  I once asked for a perforamce song mode where you can
  select songs as you select patterns... just press a
  button and use songs as macro patterns...
  New feature but in the endresult more simple to use
  than selecting songs in a display menu...
  Just an example...
  The MD is not my drummachine with the highest
  performance factor..
  it has a good performance factor..but its not the best
  of the world..

  electribes sound crap..but better performance
  factor...808 ..cant do much..but much higher
  performance factor..the fill button..wow..

  Mpc.. also not bad..similar to MD..

  Vermona... linndrum... 707...909...
  just the exsitence of a dedicated volume knob for each
  instrumnet creates a high performance factor...

  Pattern copy on the md while running... you allways
  get a nasty gap..
  there are machines that handel a pattern copy without
  loosing output...

  Worlds best drummachine? one of the best..but still
  can be improoved..

  > Another note on the guy that got that 120bpm on the
  > Machinedrum
  > doesn't agree with Protools 120bpm. This is actually
  > the exact result
  > we have got. 120bpm ran alongside Protools for hours
  >

  That was me..and i wish the MD would have a timebase
  like a pc..theese days the timebase of
  cubase..logic...live--protools is the same..
  on pc and apple..
  this is pretty new... 7 years ago we had problems
  there..but now its possible to work in free
  sync..exept when you have hardware drummachines as
  clockmaster..there is none that matches the PC
  timebase... none... like usual an mpc 3000 gives you a
  better 120 bpm as an electribe... but... free sync is
  when you can go at least 3-5 minutes with no restart
  need... 

  I really cant see how you managed to run in parralel
  with a modern protools system for hours... but i ve
  another MD here now..maybe the are different? i check
  again.. 
  But the MD i had before was clearly not running at the
  same speed as protools , Live ,Logic

  > 
  > What would be very interesting would be if people
  > would do test tracks
  > with different drum machines, and see if they enjoy
  > the timing better

  Sure...we do that every day... i ve 5 drum sources
  theese days..i had less in the past..and more in the
  past i had much more...actually all of them in one
  studio... the all behave different...run a 909 at 260
  bpm and you get it shuffling like hell..

  The MD has a good groove..but an 808 that is 100%
  tight has a good groove aswell..its the sound engine
  that makes it swing..rather a decay and phase thing
  ..but the envelope starts sample accurat in refference
  to a 44,1k sample clock...
  So groove has many factors... precission is not
  necessarily a bad thing as you can see with the 808...
  but its not everything as you can see with the MD... 

  > from one or the other. I read about one guy that
  > rest and sampled each
  > microsetting of the an and got so pissed it didn't
  > sound like an 808

  The art of sampling analog drummachines is not known
  by many people... you cant just sample the sound and
  expect it to sound...
  Its the tweakability that makes this machines groovy..

  Make a track and give it a propper mixdown..sample
  afterwards your 808 or 909 1:1 with all eq and level
  settings...

  You will have a good 808/909 sample set because the
  sounds are in relation to each other...

  It never works when you have theese 3 bd 4 snares kind
  of sets..

  One good tuned set of drums...with synth drum machines
  your chance is much higher to get a good tuned set..
  That is the strength of the MD that makes it better
  than a MPC...#

  > at all in his sampler - a typical example where the
  > sequencer plays a
  > part of the sound. He bought one later (808 that
  > is). :)

  Sequencer...yes..important..but its the tweakability
  of the sounds that makes a 808 sing...Marvin Gays
  Sexual Healing...
  Best 808 track ever...

  > 
  > Daniel, Elektron - Pro mysticism and undocumented
  > secrets that users
  > dig up sooner or later :)
  > 
  > PS. About the kit edit implementation - I agree it's
  > not optimally
  > designed. It's so tight with buttons & functions
  > though. The up/down
  > is probably the only ones left!

  yep...they need a good use :-) i think the idea to
  make tham jump buttons to most used suppages is not
  bad..
  just the question which...

  down..is kit edit..up is master fx..?
  function up is kit load..function down is kit safe?

  maybe user definable is not bad... a bit again the
  generic machine concept..but aslong its just 2
  buttons?
  wouldnt turn the MD into some kind of logic alike
  monster...

  Logic is really a mess regarding the user
  interface..everything is possible... but be in another
  studio without your setup is like being a total
  beginner again...

  __________________________________ Yahoo! Clever: Sie haben Fragen? Yahoo! Nutzer antworten Ihnen. www.yahoo.de/clever



   

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]