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A few Effects I would love to see in MnM

A few Effects I would love to see in MnM

2004-11-20 by tahvenaine2002

Hi,

I don't know what is the current situation of MnM OS, wether it's 
under deveploment still or not. There was a plan of adding flanger, 
phaser, distortion and filter fx's, when beta MnMs were released. I 
like the effects which MnM allready has, but I also feel in this 
price range (a top notch synth price range), it should have some 
these fx's which seem to be standard in many other synths. It would 
be nice. 

As these plans are nice (wether they are real or not), I feel this 
kind of effects don't occupy the possiablities of integrated 
sequencer so much. They are more of feed-signal-thru-and-thats-it 
effects, while MnM has a possiability to have effects that have never 
seen in any other synths. Here are some examples that I've been 
thinking:

1. Reverse
A simple fx-machine that take audio signal in it's buffer and while 
note-on would be pressed it would play be buffer backwards. In a 
common language: when you press any key, it would reverse the current 
audio signal! Now put all your tracks thru this and sequence some 
notes with and do parameter locks with hold parameter. a mind bogling 
synth, that can play its synthesis backwards in time!!! 

2. Freeze
Freeze works also with audiobuffer. In this fx-machine you would have 
two knobs: buffer lenght and multiplier. Buffer lenght sets the 
buffer size which will be repeated to infinity while note-on is 
received (when note-off, the normal audio signal is led thru). With 
buffer lenght, you could set some musical lenghts like 1/32th, 
1/128th or even 1/256th of one measure. With multiplier you could 
easily control this lenght; by multiplying it with 32X or 64X.  Now 
feed your tracks throught this and sequence some notes, with 
parameter locks on buffer lenght and multiplier, instant elecro 
mayhem, that cannot be made with any other synth! You could also have 
the reverse fx machine after this, now MnM would become a synth, that 
have never existed before. This would also be a deluxe version of 
very popular MD e12-retrigger function, that people have liked so 
much.

While I'm not right person to judge, wether these would be hard to 
program, I still believe, that they would be easier to do than for 
example rich-chorus or quality flanger (since they don't need any 
high quality filtering or such).

These kind of machines would also be a benefit for MnM and Elektron:

1. They are the kind of fx-machines that don't make sense to develop 
for synth that hasn't have a sequencer and since the sequencer is 
what sets the MnM apart from the rest of the synths, this would be an 
excellent way to show how MnM is capable of something more than other 
synths.

2. Developing them, would (again) show the interaction how Elektron 
listens their customers. They did it with MD OS 1.19 and it's pretty 
unique in synth developers who actually listens, what people want 
(rather than doing vintage emulation after vintage emultion 
(discalimer: nothing wrong with vintage, so dont start..)).

Well, these were just some of thoughts. What do you people think?

Toni.

Re: A few Effects I would love to see in MnM

2004-11-20 by Mensch

Hi Tony,

I'm also eager to see update's like a flangar, phaser, distortion 
and filter fx's. For me it's ideal for my live set-up. For in the studio 
I use mostly external fx's.

For your idea of Reverse and Freeze, it's going to need sample 
memory, so I don't see the posibility about this!

As far for the MD E12 and the MM Beatbox I wish that you could 
reverse the samples just like on the Jomox XBase 09.

Best regards,

-Armand


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "tahvenaine2002" 
<toni.ahvenainen@p...> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I don't know what is the current situation of MnM OS, wether it's 
> under deveploment still or not. There was a plan of adding 
flanger, 
> phaser, distortion and filter fx's, when beta MnMs were 
released. I 
> like the effects which MnM allready has, but I also feel in this 
> price range (a top notch synth price range), it should have 
some 
> these fx's which seem to be standard in many other synths. It 
would 
> be nice. 
> 
> As these plans are nice (wether they are real or not), I feel this 
> kind of effects don't occupy the possiablities of integrated 
> sequencer so much. They are more of 
feed-signal-thru-and-thats-it 
> effects, while MnM has a possiability to have effects that have 
never 
> seen in any other synths. Here are some examples that I've 
been 
> thinking:
> 
> 1. Reverse
> A simple fx-machine that take audio signal in it's buffer and 
while 
> note-on would be pressed it would play be buffer backwards. 
In a 
> common language: when you press any key, it would reverse 
the current 
> audio signal! Now put all your tracks thru this and sequence 
some 
> notes with and do parameter locks with hold parameter. a 
mind bogling 
> synth, that can play its synthesis backwards in time!!! 
> 
> 2. Freeze
> Freeze works also with audiobuffer. In this fx-machine you 
would have 
> two knobs: buffer lenght and multiplier. Buffer lenght sets the 
> buffer size which will be repeated to infinity while note-on is 
> received (when note-off, the normal audio signal is led thru). 
With 
> buffer lenght, you could set some musical lenghts like 1/32th, 
> 1/128th or even 1/256th of one measure. With multiplier you 
could 
> easily control this lenght; by multiplying it with 32X or 64X.  Now 
> feed your tracks throught this and sequence some notes, with 
> parameter locks on buffer lenght and multiplier, instant elecro 
> mayhem, that cannot be made with any other synth! You could 
also have 
> the reverse fx machine after this, now MnM would become a 
synth, that 
> have never existed before. This would also be a deluxe version 
of 
> very popular MD e12-retrigger function, that people have liked 
so 
> much.
> 
> While I'm not right person to judge, wether these would be 
hard to 
> program, I still believe, that they would be easier to do than for 
> example rich-chorus or quality flanger (since they don't need 
any 
> high quality filtering or such).
> 
> These kind of machines would also be a benefit for MnM and 
Elektron:
> 
> 1. They are the kind of fx-machines that don't make sense to 
develop 
> for synth that hasn't have a sequencer and since the 
sequencer is 
> what sets the MnM apart from the rest of the synths, this would 
be an 
> excellent way to show how MnM is capable of something more 
than other 
> synths.
> 
> 2. Developing them, would (again) show the interaction how 
Elektron 
> listens their customers. They did it with MD OS 1.19 and it's 
pretty 
> unique in synth developers who actually listens, what people 
want 
> (rather than doing vintage emulation after vintage emultion 
> (discalimer: nothing wrong with vintage, so dont start..)).
> 
> Well, these were just some of thoughts. What do you people 
think?
> 
> Toni.

Re: A few Effects I would love to see in MnM

2004-11-22 by tahvenaine2002

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Mensch" <noiselab@x> wrote:
> For your idea of Reverse and Freeze, it's going to need sample 
> memory, so I don't see the posibility about this!
> 
Don't know much about the technical stuff, but I would guess the 
reverb and chorus also require some samplememory as well, so they 
might be possible... I really don't know.


> As far for the MD E12 and the MM Beatbox I wish that you could 
> reverse the samples just like on the Jomox XBase 09.
> 
Yeah, this would be cool. There would be space in MnM beatbox machine 
for knob like reverse sample.

Toni.

MnM midi controllers

2004-11-22 by Flo Zombie

Is it possible that the midi controllers numbers are out of order?


I wanted to play with Filter Base (# 48) and Filter Width (# 49) on my 
midi keyboard.
But it turned out that #48 and #49 are behaving like they are #30 (synth 
parameter 1) and #31 (synth parameter 2).
I am using OS 1.03, maybe that\ufffds why.


Flo

Re: [elektron] MnM midi controllers

2004-11-22 by jgb@c64.org

On Mon Nov 22 2004, Flo Zombie <newsgroups@...> wrote:

> I wanted to play with Filter Base (# 48) and Filter Width (# 49) on my 
> midi keyboard.
> But it turned out that #48 and #49 are behaving like they are #30 (synth 
> parameter 1) and #31 (synth parameter 2).
> I am using OS 1.03, maybe that\ufffds why.

48 in decimal notation becomes 30 in hexadecimal notation. 49 becomes 31. 

72 and 73 should do the trick.

/Janne

Re: [elektron] MnM midi controllers

2004-11-22 by Scott Kellogg

The downloadable PDF manual available at monomachine.com contains 
decimal values for CCs, whereas the printed manual does not.

/Scott

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Re: [elektron] MnM midi controllers

2004-11-22 by Flo Zombie

Ok, thanks !
Hexadcimal is not much of a practical use....


Flo



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>>>I wanted to play with Filter Base (# 48) and Filter Width (# 49) on my 
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>>>But it turned out that #48 and #49 are behaving like they are #30 (synth 
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>>>I am using OS 1.03, maybe that\ufffds why.
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Re: A few Effects I would love to see in MnM

2004-11-22 by kvasimesis

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> > As far for the MD E12 and the MM Beatbox I wish that you could 
> > reverse the samples just like on the Jomox XBase 09.
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> Yeah, this would be cool. There would be space in MnM beatbox machine 
> for knob like reverse sample.
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> Toni.

even more useful would be if you could upload your own samples...

t

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