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Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-21 by John Gellings

Oh ok, so I am not overlooking anything...this info is
just not known?  

--- analogback <gehayman@...> wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, John Gellings
> <taco6@y...> 
> wrote:
> > In regards to the UserWave, I have a few
> questions. I
> > was wondering how many seconds of sampling time is
> > there per ROM Machine (like the E-mu SP-1200 has 4
> 2.5
> > second banks).  Also, is the sampling time
> allocated
> > evenly amongst the ROM Machines or can you blow
> the
> > whole time on one machine?  
> > 
> > Also, Can you record...just like any other
> sampler...
> > through the Audio Ins of the machine?  Can this be
> > done into ROM or only into RAM?  If only into RAM,
> can
> > you transfer into ROM?  or are you forced to use
> the
> > MIDI sample nonsense.  
> > 
> > (As you can tell, I am quite confused.)  Please
> only
> > post if you have concrete info, not speculation.  
> > 
> 
> is it strange that the UW is released before the
> detailed specs are? 
> just seems funny to make big $ decisions based on
> rumours and funny 
> realvideos :]
> 
> 
> 

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Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-23 by John Gellings

Thank you for the info...and you have cleared up a lot
that was not clear to me with the UserWave info from
the site.  Sounds like the regular machinedrum is more
my style then...since I wanted regular sampling. 
It'll save me the extra loot.  For us less intelligent
folks, you might want to spell it out that it isn't a
sampler in the traditional sense of the word.  

By the way...If I took the attitude of I'll just use
my computer for sampling when I was looking for a
synth, then I would have never discovered how
wonderful the Monomachine is.  


--- daniel_elektron <daniel@...> wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "analogback"
> <gehayman@h...> wrote:
> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, John
> Gellings <taco6@y...> 
> > wrote:
> > > In regards to the UserWave, I have a few
> questions. I
> > > was wondering how many seconds of sampling time
> is
> > > there per ROM Machine (like the E-mu SP-1200 has
> 4 2.5
> > > second banks).  Also, is the sampling time
> allocated
> > > evenly amongst the ROM Machines or can you blow
> the
> > > whole time on one machine?  
> > > 
> > > Also, Can you record...just like any other
> sampler...
> > > through the Audio Ins of the machine?  Can this
> be
> > > done into ROM or only into RAM?  If only into
> RAM, can
> > > you transfer into ROM?  or are you forced to use
> the
> > > MIDI sample nonsense.
> > > 
> > > (As you can tell, I am quite confused.)  Please
> only
> > > post if you have concrete info, not speculation.
>  
> > 
> > is it strange that the UW is released before the
> detailed specs are? 
> > just seems funny to make big $ decisions based on
> rumours and funny 
> > realvideos :]
> 
> Well, most info should actually be in the UW first
> look page!
> 
> http://www.elektron.se/stories.php?y=2005&p=2
> 
> How many seconds of sampling? Well, you know the
> size of the memory
> (2Mb). Now decide your sampling rate and do your
> calculation!
> 
> Hint: it's around 20 seconds with full 44.1kHz
> quality.
> 
> And "Transfer samples into the internal UW flash
> with MIDI sample
> dump" means - no realtime recording. The SPS-1UW is
> not a sampler.
> It's a versatile drum machine!
> 
> However, there are the RAM machines which do accept
> realtime
> recording. But it's for live use, so you can't store
> them anywhere,
> should be quite clear.
> 
> What migght be confusing is that some people take
> the SPS-1UW as a
> sampler, where we want to market it as a very
> versatile beat box /
> drum machine!
> 
> We don't want to make the SPS-1 a sampler, because
> we don't think we
> could do a good sampling interface in a short time
> within the UI of
> this machine. Better - use your computer to sample,
> where there are
> tons of good sample editing programs, transfer your
> favourite samples,
> and there you have your own special customised
> Machinedrum!
> 
> And about releasing info: we've tried to tell as
> much as we can
> through the UW first look page, and the friend mail.
> Redesigning the
> Machinedrum web page is a big task, which is on its
> way. But I think
> most people would like us to rather release the unit
> as it is finished
> than wait for the website to be ready and redesigned
> with all the info
> anyone could ask for!
> 
> If you have doubts, better wait a while until the
> first people receive
> their units and decide depending on their reports!
> 
> Daniel Hansson, CEO
> Elektron Music Machines
> 
> 
> 
> 

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[elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-23 by daniel_elektron

Well, I don't know if you've signed up as an Elektron Friend, but
inthe info we sent out the first FAQ entry was this:

> 1) Wow, this is an expensive sampler!
> 
> No, this is a very extra user configurable SPS-1 drum machine.

That's "this is no sampler" spelled out at least! :)

But I think many people will find that the RAM machines will open up
new ways for interacting with other gear, a microphone or a turntable.
So maybe wait for a few reports from people exploring this possibility
before deciding on your model. However, I think the SPS-1 without the
UW will fit many people very well, that's why we will keep both flavours!

I think that if we were to create something that we'd like to name a
sampler we'd like to dig into the concept to turn things around, a bit
like I think we did with the MD for drum machines. Still, I want to
stress that the RAM machines could be very interesting in the hands of
the right person! We've used it alot in our demos so far to integrate
a turntable to mix up stuff in realtime. Time will tell how and if
people will use it!

Daniel

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, John Gellings <taco6@y...> wrote:
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> Thank you for the info...and you have cleared up a lot
> that was not clear to me with the UserWave info from
> the site.  Sounds like the regular machinedrum is more
> my style then...since I wanted regular sampling. 
> It'll save me the extra loot.  For us less intelligent
> folks, you might want to spell it out that it isn't a
> sampler in the traditional sense of the word.  
> 
> By the way...If I took the attitude of I'll just use
> my computer for sampling when I was looking for a
> synth, then I would have never discovered how
> wonderful the Monomachine is.

Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-23 by John Gellings

I guess I just took that as an excuse for the small
amount of sampling time in a machine from
2005....meaning it was a MachineDrum that you could
add a few samples to... which it is, but not in the
traditional sense.  

--- daniel_elektron <daniel@...> wrote:
> 
> Well, I don't know if you've signed up as an
> Elektron Friend, but
> inthe info we sent out the first FAQ entry was this:
> 
> > 1) Wow, this is an expensive sampler!
> > 
> > No, this is a very extra user configurable SPS-1
> drum machine.
> 
> That's "this is no sampler" spelled out at least! :)
> 



		
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Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-24 by Tom McIvor

Can anybody recommend a good (cheap sampler) that will be able to send 
the samples to the UW over midi. My UW will be arriving tomorrow so i'd 
like to get some software today. I don't want anything to fancy. I 
don't use much software, just Ableton and sometimes Cubase.

In fact will Elektron be offering any kind of sampling software with 
the UW.

Cheers,
Tommy.


On 23 May 2005, at 22:52, John Gellings wrote:

> Thank you for the info...and you have cleared up a lot
>  that was not clear to me with the UserWave info from
>  the site.� Sounds like the regular machinedrum is more
>  my style then...since I wanted regular sampling.
>  It'll save me the extra loot.� For us less intelligent
>  folks, you might want to spell it out that it isn't a
>  sampler in the traditional sense of the word.�
>
>  By the way...If I took the attitude of I'll just use
>  my computer for sampling when I was looking for a
>  synth, then I would have never discovered how
>  wonderful the Monomachine is.�
>
>
>  --- daniel_elektron <daniel@elektron.se> wrote:
>  > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "analogback"
>  > <gehayman@h...> wrote:
>  > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, John
>  > Gellings <taco6@y...>
>  > > wrote:
>  > > > In regards to the UserWave, I have a few
>  > questions. I
>  > > > was wondering how many seconds of sampling time
>  > is
>  > > > there per ROM Machine (like the E-mu SP-1200 has
>  > 4 2.5
>  > > > second banks).� Also, is the sampling time
>  > allocated
>  > > > evenly amongst the ROM Machines or can you blow
>  > the
>  > > > whole time on one machine?�
>  > > >
>  > > > Also, Can you record...just like any other
>  > sampler...
>  > > > through the Audio Ins of the machine?� Can this
>  > be
>  > > > done into ROM or only into RAM?� If only into
>  > RAM, can
>  > > > you transfer into ROM?� or are you forced to use
>  > the
>  > > > MIDI sample nonsense.
>  > > >
>  > > > (As you can tell, I am quite confused.)� Please
>  > only
>  > > > post if you have concrete info, not speculation.
>  >�
>  > >
>  > > is it strange that the UW is released before the
>  > detailed specs are?
>  > > just seems funny to make big $ decisions based on
>  > rumours and funny
>  > > realvideos :]
>  >
>  > Well, most info should actually be in the UW first
>  > look page!
>  >
>  > http://www.elektron.se/stories.php?y=2005&p=2
>  >
>  > How many seconds of sampling? Well, you know the
>  > size of the memory
>  > (2Mb). Now decide your sampling rate and do your
>  > calculation!
>  >
>  > Hint: it's around 20 seconds with full 44.1kHz
>  > quality.
>  >
>  > And "Transfer samples into the internal UW flash
>  > with MIDI sample
>  > dump" means - no realtime recording. The SPS-1UW is
>  > not a sampler.
>  > It's a versatile drum machine!
>  >
>  > However, there are the RAM machines which do accept
>  > realtime
>  > recording. But it's for live use, so you can't store
>  > them anywhere,
>  > should be quite clear.
>  >
>  > What migght be confusing is that some people take
>  > the SPS-1UW as a
>  > sampler, where we want to market it as a very
>  > versatile beat box /
>  > drum machine!
>  >
>  > We don't want to make the SPS-1 a sampler, because
>  > we don't think we
>  > could do a good sampling interface in a short time
>  > within the UI of
>  > this machine. Better - use your computer to sample,
>  > where there are
>  > tons of good sample editing programs, transfer your
>  > favourite samples,
>  > and there you have your own special customised
>  > Machinedrum!
>  >
>  > And about releasing info: we've tried to tell as
>  > much as we can
>  > through the UW first look page, and the friend mail.
>  > Redesigning the
>  > Machinedrum web page is a big task, which is on its
>  > way. But I think
>  > most people would like us to rather release the unit
>  > as it is finished
>  > than wait for the website to be ready and redesigned
>  > with all the info
>  > anyone could ask for!
>  >
>  > If you have doubts, better wait a while until the
>  > first people receive
>  > their units and decide depending on their reports!
>  >
>  > Daniel Hansson, CEO
>  > Elektron Music Machines
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>
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[elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-24 by daniel_elektron

We will. We will get our OSX/Win C6 SYSEX utility up on some support
page asap. It supports SYSEX dumps, WAV/AIFF as MIDI SDS (Sample Dump
Standard) which is what the SPS-1UW understands.

For Windows, you can also try Soundforge or AWave, both work fine. For
OSX we haven't found anything really.

Daniel

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Tom McIvor <tm29@s...> wrote:
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> Can anybody recommend a good (cheap sampler) that will be able to send 
> the samples to the UW over midi. My UW will be arriving tomorrow so i'd 
> like to get some software today. I don't want anything to fancy. I 
> don't use much software, just Ableton and sometimes Cubase.
> 
> In fact will Elektron be offering any kind of sampling software with 
> the UW.
> 
> Cheers,
> Tommy.

Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-24 by jmelnyk@cs.kent.edu

>  For Windows, you can also try Soundforge or AWave, both work fine. For
>  OSX we haven't found anything really.

uh, oh!  how am I gonna dump wave forms to mine when it arrives?  hmm...

what are the requirements for this?  what features should I look for in a
piece of OSX software?

Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-24 by Olaf

You might wanna try audacity for mac OS X

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/

Just an idea (don't have a mac ;-))

Greetz

Olaf
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  >  For Windows, you can also try Soundforge or AWave, both work fine. For
  >  OSX we haven't found anything really.

  uh, oh!  how am I gonna dump wave forms to mine when it arrives?  hmm...

  what are the requirements for this?  what features should I look for in a
  piece of OSX software?



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Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-24 by uridium@runbox.com

TCWorks' now defunct Spark XL can use MIDI SDS to send samples to/from MIDI samplers, as can the excellent DSP Quattro from i3 Software. 

LINK: http://www.i3net.it/Products/dspQuattro/Asp/Features_EN.asp#features

Spark as I said is now discontinued but you should be able to find it somewhere on the net if you use Limewire or something similar (don't shout at me I own a legit copy of all the software I use - I am just trying to help him out!)

DSP Quattro used to be shareware (called D-Sound Pro - Going back around 8 years now!) and is a great program but as its now at $149 it may be more than you were hoping to spend...

I will take a look for a 'cheap' SDS-capable Mac sample editor and report back to the list soon...
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> 
> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
> 
> Just an idea (don't have a mac ;-))
> 
> Greetz
> 
> Olaf
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>   >  OSX we haven't found anything really.
> 
>   uh, oh!  how am I gonna dump wave forms to mine when it arrives?  hmm...
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>   piece of OSX software?
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Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-24 by Scott Kellogg

>
> For Windows, you can also try Soundforge or AWave, both work fine. For
> OSX we haven't found anything really.

How about DSP-Quattro?  It's got a section in preferences for MIDI  
Sample Dump.  I don't have a way to test it, though.

Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-24 by Tom McIvor

Any chance of sending me a copy of this OSX utility, it's gonna be 
torture not being able to use the new features when UW arrives. I am 
away to download a demo of Quattro for the Mac and see what it offers.

Cheers,
Tom


On 24 May 2005, at 13:42, daniel_elektron wrote:

>
>  We will. We will get our OSX/Win C6 SYSEX utility up on some support
>  page asap. It supports SYSEX dumps, WAV/AIFF as MIDI SDS (Sample Dump
>  Standard) which is what the SPS-1UW understands.
>
>  For Windows, you can also try Soundforge or AWave, both work fine. For
>  OSX we haven't found anything really.
>
>  Daniel
>
>  --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Tom McIvor <tm29@s...> wrote:
>  > Can anybody recommend a good (cheap sampler) that will be able to 
> send
>  > the samples to the UW over midi. My UW will be arriving tomorrow so 
> i'd
>  > like to get some software today. I don't want anything to fancy. I
>  > don't use much software, just Ableton and sometimes Cubase.
>  >
>  > In fact will Elektron be offering any kind of sampling software with
>  > the UW.
>  >
>  > Cheers,
>  > Tommy.
>
>
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Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-24 by jmelnyk@cs.kent.edu

>     You might wanna try audacity for mac OS X
>
>  http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
>
>  Just an idea (don't have a mac ;-))

to my knowledge, Audacity doesn't offer MIDI sample dump.  it can be used
for waveform editing, though.  oh, and you don't need a Mac to run it; it
runs on Windows and Linux as well!

[elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-24 by izfunky

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, jmelnyk@c... wrote:
> >  For Windows, you can also try Soundforge or AWave, both work 
fine. For
> >  OSX we haven't found anything really.
> 
> uh, oh!  how am I gonna dump wave forms to mine when it arrives?  
hmm...
> 
> what are the requirements for this?  what features should I look for 
in a
> piece of OSX software?

I have a Mac as well, hopefully one of the experts here will figure 
something out, this will be my first brush with sampling/transferring 
with my computer.  I have sent my MD in for the upgrade and hope I 
will be able to use it! Also maybe as people start to use the MD/UW we 
could get some tutorials posted as the elektron users forum for 
novices like myself. (for sample transfers, loading etc.)

Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-24 by Scott Kellogg

> could get some tutorials posted as the elektron users forum for
> novices like myself. (for sample transfers, loading etc.)

This is a great idea.  I would also like to collectively develop a  
sample bank for use with the UW available at elektron-users.com.  I  
think tutorials about different approaches to using the RAM engines  
would be useful.

/Scott

Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-24 by Olaf

Sorry about that i guess i didn't read the email well :-(

This might do the trick:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/bulkdumpr

A Java Sound based application to do bulk transfers of audio files (WAV, AIFF, AU) via the MIDI SDS Sample Dump Standard. 



  a.. Development Status: 3 - Alpha

  b.. Intended Audience: End Users/Desktop

  c.. License: GNU General Public License (GPL)

  d.. Operating System: 32-bit MS Windows (95/98), 32-bit MS Windows (NT/2000/XP), All 32-bit MS Windows (95/98/NT/2000/XP), All POSIX (Linux/BSD/UNIX-like OSes), Linux, OS X, Solaris, Win2K, WinXP

  e.. Programming Language: Java

  f.. Topic: Conversion, MIDI

  g.. Translations: English
Greetzz

Olaf
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  >     You might wanna try audacity for mac OS X
  >
  >  http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
  >
  >  Just an idea (don't have a mac ;-))

  to my knowledge, Audacity doesn't offer MIDI sample dump.  it can be used
  for waveform editing, though.  oh, and you don't need a Mac to run it; it
  runs on Windows and Linux as well!



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Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-24 by John Gellings

Was I alone in thinking this was a sampling drum
machine ala the E-Mu SP-1200 (with a machinedrum
included)?

--- Scott Kellogg <glaive@...> wrote:
> 
> > could get some tutorials posted as the elektron
> users forum for
> > novices like myself. (for sample transfers,
> loading etc.)
> 
> This is a great idea.  I would also like to
> collectively develop a  
> sample bank for use with the UW available at
> elektron-users.com.  I  
> think tutorials about different approaches to using
> the RAM engines  
> would be useful.
> 
> /Scott
> 
> 
> 


		
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Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-24 by Scott Kellogg

It's more like a Machinedrum with sampling included, but whatever ;)

On May 24, 2005, at 1:05 PM, John Gellings wrote:

> Was I alone in thinking this was a sampling drum
> machine ala the E-Mu SP-1200 (with a machinedrum
> included)?
>
> --- Scott Kellogg <glaive@...> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>> could get some tutorials posted as the elektron
>>>
>> users forum for
>>
>>> novices like myself. (for sample transfers,
>>>
>> loading etc.)
>>
>> This is a great idea.  I would also like to
>> collectively develop a
>> sample bank for use with the UW available at
>> elektron-users.com.  I
>> think tutorials about different approaches to using
>> the RAM engines
>> would be useful.
>>
>> /Scott
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-24 by John Gellings

But not traditional sampling.

--- Scott Kellogg <glaive@...> wrote:
> It's more like a Machinedrum with sampling included,
> but whatever ;)
> 
> On May 24, 2005, at 1:05 PM, John Gellings wrote:
> 
> > Was I alone in thinking this was a sampling drum
> > machine ala the E-Mu SP-1200 (with a machinedrum
> > included)?
> >
> > --- Scott Kellogg <glaive@...> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>> could get some tutorials posted as the elektron
> >>>
> >> users forum for
> >>
> >>> novices like myself. (for sample transfers,
> >>>
> >> loading etc.)
> >>
> >> This is a great idea.  I would also like to
> >> collectively develop a
> >> sample bank for use with the UW available at
> >> elektron-users.com.  I
> >> think tutorials about different approaches to
> using
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Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-24 by Joseph Melnyk

On May 24, 2005, at 5:14 PM, John Gellings wrote:

> But not traditional sampling.

yes, that seems to be crystal clear to everyone but you.

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Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-24 by John Gellings

Guess I'm an idiot then.  


--- Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@...> wrote:
> On May 24, 2005, at 5:14 PM, John Gellings wrote:
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> 
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Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-24 by uridium@runbox.com

> Guess I'm an idiot then.  

I think obstinate would be a better word to choose.

The MD is an unconventional machine which offers much above similar drum machines and sequencers. 

Daniel has been quite clear what IS and ISNT included in the UW, as well as the philosophy behind its design. 

If you wanna buy, go ahead. If not, stop making this increasingly boring stand against "unconventional" sampling options and go buy an Electribe or someting that makes you fit right into the other 99.9% of boring fuckers who want their music made for them at power-up.

Its not a sampler, its a drum machine.

Now please write something insightful to the list or sign up to the Roland Users forum and get excited about some half-hearted "groovebox" or other that has the right paintwork.

Sorry list but this guy is getting my goat now.
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> --- Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@...> wrote:
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RE: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-25 by DAVID LACKEY

Hi Daniel,
 
Any date for a new MD OS release to fix the Midi Machine Parameter Lock
issues yet.....?
 
It's killing me....!
 
Kind regards, 

David Lackey 
Technical Support & Internal Product Specialist 
Roland Corporation Australia Pty Ltd 
Tel:61-2-9982-8266 
Fax:61-2-9981-1875 
Email:  dlackey@... <mailto:dlackey@...>  
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	-----Original Message-----
	From: daniel_elektron [mailto:daniel@...] 
	Sent: Tuesday, 24 May 2005 10:42 PM
	To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
	Subject: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions
	
	
	
	We will. We will get our OSX/Win C6 SYSEX utility up on some
support
	page asap. It supports SYSEX dumps, WAV/AIFF as MIDI SDS (Sample
Dump
	Standard) which is what the SPS-1UW understands.
	
	For Windows, you can also try Soundforge or AWave, both work
fine. For
	OSX we haven't found anything really.
	
	Daniel
	
	--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Tom McIvor <tm29@s...>
wrote:
	> Can anybody recommend a good (cheap sampler) that will be able
to send 
	> the samples to the UW over midi. My UW will be arriving
tomorrow so i'd 
	> like to get some software today. I don't want anything to
fancy. I 
	> don't use much software, just Ableton and sometimes Cubase.
	> 
	> In fact will Elektron be offering any kind of sampling
software with 
	> the UW.
	> 
	> Cheers,
	> Tommy.
	
	
	
	
	
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Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-25 by John Gellings

I wasn't making a stand... I was just confused... and
I was not intelligent to know what the userwave was by
the spec sheet that was released.  Not everyone knows
what midi sample dump is.  I'm sure me asking the
questions about the UserWave helped some people out
that were confused as well...but are afraid to say so.
 

See, the problem with these machines and their users
is that they think they are above anyone that makes
music using anything else.  I love my Monomachine and
will be buying a Machinedrum in the future, but I will
not make fun of people who use cheaper
equipment...because there are plenty of people using
cheap equipment that make great music.  

I guess this forum is not friendly to people who are
not in the know.   I guess I will leave for good and
not annoy you with my horrible questions no longer.  
Thank you for all of your wonderful support.


--- uridium@... wrote:
> > Guess I'm an idiot then.  
> 
> I think obstinate would be a better word to choose.
> 
> The MD is an unconventional machine which offers
> much above similar drum machines and sequencers. 
> 
> Daniel has been quite clear what IS and ISNT
> included in the UW, as well as the philosophy behind
> its design. 
> 
> If you wanna buy, go ahead. If not, stop making this
> increasingly boring stand against "unconventional"
> sampling options and go buy an Electribe or someting
> that makes you fit right into the other 99.9% of
> boring fuckers who want their music made for them at
> power-up.
> 
> Its not a sampler, its a drum machine.
> 
> Now please write something insightful to the list or
> sign up to the Roland Users forum and get excited
> about some half-hearted "groovebox" or other that
> has the right paintwork.
> 
> Sorry list but this guy is getting my goat now.
> 
> 
> > 
> > 
> > --- Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@...> wrote:
> > > On May 24, 2005, at 5:14 PM, John Gellings
> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > But not traditional sampling.
> > > 
> > > yes, that seems to be crystal clear to everyone
> but
> > > you.
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Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-25 by Olaf

The only stupid question is the one that isn't asked, IMHO!
You can't be all that stupid, you bought a Monomachine ;-)
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  From: John Gellings 
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  Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 2:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions


  I wasn't making a stand... I was just confused... and
  I was not intelligent to know what the userwave was by
  the spec sheet that was released.  Not everyone knows
  what midi sample dump is.  I'm sure me asking the
  questions about the UserWave helped some people out
  that were confused as well...but are afraid to say so.


  See, the problem with these machines and their users
  is that they think they are above anyone that makes
  music using anything else.  I love my Monomachine and
  will be buying a Machinedrum in the future, but I will
  not make fun of people who use cheaper
  equipment...because there are plenty of people using
  cheap equipment that make great music.  

  I guess this forum is not friendly to people who are
  not in the know.   I guess I will leave for good and
  not annoy you with my horrible questions no longer.  
  Thank you for all of your wonderful support.


  --- uridium@... wrote:
  > > Guess I'm an idiot then.  
  > 
  > I think obstinate would be a better word to choose.
  > 
  > The MD is an unconventional machine which offers
  > much above similar drum machines and sequencers. 
  > 
  > Daniel has been quite clear what IS and ISNT
  > included in the UW, as well as the philosophy behind
  > its design. 
  > 
  > If you wanna buy, go ahead. If not, stop making this
  > increasingly boring stand against "unconventional"
  > sampling options and go buy an Electribe or someting
  > that makes you fit right into the other 99.9% of
  > boring fuckers who want their music made for them at
  > power-up.
  > 
  > Its not a sampler, its a drum machine.
  > 
  > Now please write something insightful to the list or
  > sign up to the Roland Users forum and get excited
  > about some half-hearted "groovebox" or other that
  > has the right paintwork.
  > 
  > Sorry list but this guy is getting my goat now.
  > 
  > 
  > > 
  > > 
  > > --- Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@...> wrote:
  > > > On May 24, 2005, at 5:14 PM, John Gellings
  > wrote:
  > > > 
  > > > > But not traditional sampling.
  > > > 
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[elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-25 by analogback

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "DAVID LACKEY" <dlackey@r...> 
wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
>  
> Any date for a new MD OS release to fix the Midi Machine Parameter 
Lock
> issues yet.....?
>  
> It's killing me....!

im feeling the pain also, mainly because my whole synth/sample rig is 
sequenced with the MD.. almost enough reason to revert to the  earlier 
OS which dont have this problem (or buy a dedicated sequencer). i 
guess when i get the MD back from ELEKTRON there may be other issues, 
but i hope they fix midi machines in OS 2.90..

[elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-25 by analogback

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, John Gellings <taco6@y...> 
wrote:
> I wasn't making a stand... I was just confused... and
> I was not intelligent to know what the userwave was by
> the spec sheet that was released.  Not everyone knows
> what midi sample dump is.  I'm sure me asking the
> questions about the UserWave helped some people out
> that were confused as well...but are afraid to say so.
>  
> 
> See, the problem with these machines and their users
> is that they think they are above anyone that makes
> music using anything else.  I love my Monomachine and
> will be buying a Machinedrum in the future, but I will
> not make fun of people who use cheaper
> equipment...because there are plenty of people using
> cheap equipment that make great music.  
> 
> I guess this forum is not friendly to people who are
> not in the know.   I guess I will leave for good and
> not annoy you with my horrible questions no longer.  
> Thank you for all of your wonderful support.
> 
> 
> --- uridium@r... wrote:
> > > Guess I'm an idiot then.  
> > 
> > I think obstinate would be a better word to choose.

obstinate
(adj.) 
1.Stubbornly adhering to an attitude, opinion, or course of action; 
obdurate. 
2.Difficult to manage, control, or subdue; refractory. 
3.Difficult to alleviate or cure: an obstinate headache

> > 
> > The MD is an unconventional machine which offers
> > much above similar drum machines and sequencers. 
> > 
> > Daniel has been quite clear what IS and ISNT
> > included in the UW, as well as the philosophy behind
> > its design. 

some confusing matters remain.. though the release details enough 
info to make a decision. and ive made mine ;)  

> > 
> > If you wanna buy, go ahead. If not, stop making this
> > increasingly boring stand against "unconventional"
> > sampling options and go buy an Electribe or someting
> > that makes you fit right into the other 99.9% of
> > boring fuckers who want their music made for them at
> > power-up.

a legitimate alternative would be the electribe sampler, at half the 
price, i have considered it.. 99

> > 
> > Its not a sampler, its a drum machine.

hear hear

> > 
> > Now please write something insightful to the list or
> > sign up to the Roland Users forum and get excited
> > about some half-hearted "groovebox" or other that
> > has the right paintwork.

i want a red one
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> > 
> > Sorry list but this guy is getting my goat now.
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --- Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
> > > > On May 24, 2005, at 5:14 PM, John Gellings
> > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > But not traditional sampling.
> > > > 
> > > > yes, that seems to be crystal clear to everyone
> > but
> > > > you.
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[elektron] Re: MachineDrum UserWave Questions

2005-05-25 by tahvenaine2002

Oh come on.. No need to flame anyone here. Guy was just asking
questions. Breaks my heart to watch something like this. 

One can find some info here: 
http://www.elektron-users.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=9

And some over here:
http://www.elektron.se/stories.php?y=2005&p=2

Toni.

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> > Guess I'm an idiot then.  
> 
> I think obstinate would be a better word to choose.
> 
> The MD is an unconventional machine which offers much above similar
drum machines and sequencers. 
> 
> Daniel has been quite clear what IS and ISNT included in the UW, as
well as the philosophy behind its design. 
> 
> If you wanna buy, go ahead. If not, stop making this increasingly
boring stand against "unconventional" sampling options and go buy an
Electribe or someting that makes you fit right into the other 99.9% of
boring fuckers who want their music made for them at power-up.
> 
> Its not a sampler, its a drum machine.
> 
> Now please write something insightful to the list or sign up to the
Roland Users forum and get excited about some half-hearted "groovebox"
or other that has the right paintwork.
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> 
> Sorry list but this guy is getting my goat now.
> 
> 
> > 
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> > > 
> > > > But not traditional sampling.
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