Elektron Musical Instruments

i have a monomachine and an md. at the moment i'm only using the 
stereo outs. i want to record some stuff into my friend's protools. 
will is sound any different if i record all the synths on seperate 
tracks. is it better to record as a single stereo track?

thanks from damien

On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 01:33:50AM -0000, sargeant_damien wrote:
> i have a monomachine and an md. at the moment i'm only using the 
> stereo outs. i want to record some stuff into my friend's protools. 
> will is sound any different if i record all the synths on seperate 
> tracks. is it better to record as a single stereo track?

on the MD, the fx only reside on the master outs, so
anything you route through an individual out will be dry.
the monomachine has fx that can be assigned to different
stereo pairs and mono outs, but you'll need to configure
your kit to make the most of them.

i prefer to use as many outs as i can record at once - it's
a more flexible arrangement, it's more editable, and
you can use external effects on individual sounds, rather
than the entire track.  i also found early on that the
machinedrum seemed to lose some clarity when a whole pile of
sounds were stuffed through the master outs, but that may
have been my imagination.  i definitely prefer the sound of
all six outs at once.

in short: if you can, unless you insist upon using only
the synth's effects on its sounds, record multitrack.

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--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, niall munnelly <aleph@a...> 
wrote:
> On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 01:33:50AM -0000, sargeant_damien wrote:
> > i have a monomachine and an md. at the moment i'm only using the 
> > stereo outs. i want to record some stuff into my friend's 
protools. 
> > will is sound any different if i record all the synths on 
seperate 
> > tracks. is it better to record as a single stereo track?
> 
> on the MD, the fx only reside on the master outs, so
> anything you route through an individual out will be dry.
> the monomachine has fx that can be assigned to different
> stereo pairs and mono outs, but you'll need to configure
> your kit to make the most of them.
> 
> i prefer to use as many outs as i can record at once - it's
> a more flexible arrangement, it's more editable, and
> you can use external effects on individual sounds, rather
> than the entire track.  i also found early on that the
> machinedrum seemed to lose some clarity when a whole pile of
> sounds were stuffed through the master outs, but that may
> have been my imagination.  i definitely prefer the sound of
> all six outs at once.

i have noticed (with headphones) that a bass sound may swamp out 
some higher freq sounds. hard to describe, perhaps it was the 
uncontrolled use of the compressor?

> 
> in short: if you can, unless you insist upon using only
> the synth's effects on its sounds, record multitrack.
> 
> -- 
> yours,
> niall.
> .. .  .   .    .     .       .           .             .           
      .
> aleph null.                             a simple insinuation 
around silence.
> http://syncretism.net
> .. .. gpg public key - http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. ..

On 5/30/05 11:30 PM, "analogback" wrote:


>> i prefer to use as many outs as i can record at once - it's
>> a more flexible arrangement, it's more editable, and
>> you can use external effects on individual sounds, rather
>> than the entire track.  i also found early on that the
>> machinedrum seemed to lose some clarity when a whole pile of
>> sounds were stuffed through the master outs, but that may
>> have been my imagination.  i definitely prefer the sound of
>> all six outs at once.
> 
> i have noticed (with headphones) that a bass sound may swamp out
> some higher freq sounds. hard to describe, perhaps it was the
> uncontrolled use of the compressor?
> 

I have something I'm working on now with the MnM that sounds like it is
over-loading on the the main outs. When the tracks play alone they are fine.
Seems like a normal thing to happen if you have a lot going on.

>> 
>> in short: if you can, unless you insist upon using only
>> the synth's effects on its sounds, record multitrack.
>> 

Don't forget you can also just record each track individually one at a time
out of the master, if you don't want to bother with all the out's for now...

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Andy Tarpinian 
<evildead@n...> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 5/30/05 11:30 PM, "analogback" wrote:
> 
> 
> >> i prefer to use as many outs as i can record at once - it's
> >> a more flexible arrangement, it's more editable, and
> >> you can use external effects on individual sounds, rather
> >> than the entire track.  i also found early on that the
> >> machinedrum seemed to lose some clarity when a whole pile of
> >> sounds were stuffed through the master outs, but that may
> >> have been my imagination.  i definitely prefer the sound of
> >> all six outs at once.
> > 
> > i have noticed (with headphones) that a bass sound may swamp out
> > some higher freq sounds. hard to describe, perhaps it was the
> > uncontrolled use of the compressor?
> > 
> 
> I have something I'm working on now with the MnM that sounds like 
it is
> over-loading on the the main outs. When the tracks play alone they 
are fine.
> Seems like a normal thing to happen if you have a lot going on.
> 
> >> 
> >> in short: if you can, unless you insist upon using only
> >> the synth's effects on its sounds, record multitrack.
> >> 
> 
> Don't forget you can also just record each track individually one 
at a time
> out of the master, if you don't want to bother with all the out's 
for now...

glad you posted this, i thought i was hearing things! maybe routing 
the bass heavy sounds to the individual outs is the best option.. i 
wonder if elektron is aware of this problem..

This isn't an elektron specific "problem"... it is often suggested to
route your bass through separate outs, as well as run it in mono.  The
more things you try to cram out a single DAC the more likely it will have
some kind of artifact.

>> On 5/30/05 11:30 PM, "analogback" wrote:

> glad you posted this, i thought i was hearing things! maybe routing
> the bass heavy sounds to the individual outs is the best option.. i
> wonder if elektron is aware of this problem..