Elektron Musical Instruments

hello, is there a way to change kits with MIDI program changes in the 
MD?  so far it seems to change only patterns.

thanx in advance

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Yeah, but the only way to get it to do that is downgrade your os to 1.12.

Elektron changed program change to affect pattern after that OS revision  
without much discussion, and I've been hating the feature ever since.

I recently wrote them an email asking if program change = kit change could  
be an option, or if there were some way to change it without downgrading.  
Maybe you could write too, if you would want it to be this way. Tell em  
why you want to do that. Perhaps it could be a global option, if some  
people are using it effectively in pattern change mode.
-Andr00

On Fri, 10 Jun 2005 22:59:16 -0700, roby <roby@...> wrote:

> hello, is there a way to change kits with MIDI program changes in the
> MD? so far it seems to change only patterns.
>
> thanx in advance
>

Awright.  Yeah, it makes more sense to have it change kits instead of 
patterns since patterns can be changed with MIDI notes already in a much 
more creative way.

Andrew Denyes wrote:

>Yeah, but the only way to get it to do that is downgrade your os to 1.12.
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>Elektron changed program change to affect pattern after that OS revision  
>without much discussion, and I've been hating the feature ever since.
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>I recently wrote them an email asking if program change = kit change could  
>be an option, or if there were some way to change it without downgrading.  
>Maybe you could write too, if you would want it to be this way. Tell em  
>why you want to do that. Perhaps it could be a global option, if some  
>people are using it effectively in pattern change mode.
>-Andr00
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On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 10:59:16PM -0700, roby wrote:
> hello, is there a way to change kits with MIDI program changes in the 
> MD?  so far it seems to change only patterns.

you've stumbled on gripe numero uno.

email elektron support and ask them to accommodate this.  i
do so every couple of months.

{it used to work this way in os 1.12}

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The program change behaviour was changed to make the Machinedrum work
seamlessly together with the Monomachine. Both sends and accepts
program change to change pattern. If you sync up A01 on the MD to A01
on the Mono you can have them syncronised by just changing on one unit.

Program change changing kit I can understand is quite handy in many
cases, but we don't like it as it is "destructive", in a way program
change normally is not. Changing the kit of a pattern makes the
pattern sound totally different, and changes to a pattern is stored
immediately.

So we will not change back to how it was before because of the reasons
above. Hopefully we can find a way to allow people to do the easy kit
change in another way though. We like to stay out of global switches
as well we can because we want all MD's to have a general MIDI interface. 

We have thought of several different methods of getting the job done:

1) Program change in a specific bank changes the kit. (using the "bank
select" MIDI command)

2) A SYSEX or CTRL-change change the kit.

3) A quick method of changing kit on the Machinedrum which doesnot
involve going to the Kit>Load menu.

Could you who feel limited by the current implementation let me know
if one or several of these proposed implementations would be usable
for you?

Thanks,

Daniel Hansson, Elektron


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, niall munnelly <aleph@a...> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 10:59:16PM -0700, roby wrote:
> > hello, is there a way to change kits with MIDI program changes in the 
> > MD?  so far it seems to change only patterns.
> 
> you've stumbled on gripe numero uno.
> 
> email elektron support and ask them to accommodate this.  i
> do so every couple of months.
> 
> {it used to work this way in os 1.12}
> 
> -- 
> yours,
> niall.

On Sat, 11 Jun 2005 09:42:17 -0700, daniel_elektron <daniel@...>  
wrote:

> The program change behaviour was changed to make the Machinedrum work
> seamlessly together with the Monomachine.

OK, makes sense.


> We have thought of several different methods of getting the job done:
>
> 1) Program change in a specific bank changes the kit. (using the "bank
> select" MIDI command)

This would be great. I can easily set up to accomodate specifying a bank  
for program change, and it keeps the association between the idea of  
presets (in software) and preset kits (in MD), allowing me to save the kit  
names in my sequencers. That way I don't have to remember that kit 61 is  
"light noise" and kit 23 is "dist inputs" when I want to call them up  
midway through a sequence. The names would just be in the program list.

> 2) A SYSEX or CTRL-change change the kit.

This would be less useful in sequencer-world, because my software does not  
let me associate specific controller values with kit names, but it's still  
faster than loading via front panel.

> 3) A quick method of changing kit on the Machinedrum which doesnot
> involve going to the Kit>Load menu.

It's not such a big problem to go into the menu, for me. But because the  
MD exits the kit load menu when you load a kit, you have to hit 4 widely  
spaced keys if you want to load the next one. Sometimes I just want to  
step through the kits and heard what is in the BD instrument slot of each  
one. Changing kits up or down quickly would be handy.
-Andr00

>
> Could you who feel limited by the current implementation let me know
> if one or several of these proposed implementations would be usable
> for you?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Daniel Hansson, Elektron

Hello Daniel,

I think either solution (#1 Bank Select or #2 CTRL-change) would be 
nice.  I would love the ability to change out kits while patterns and 
parameter locks are going.

Thanks,

-Tim Becker

> We have thought of several different methods of getting the job 
done:
> 
> 1) Program change in a specific bank changes the kit. (using 
the "bank

> select" MIDI command)
> 
> 2) A SYSEX or CTRL-change change the kit.
> 
> 3) A quick method of changing kit on the Machinedrum which doesnot
> involve going to the Kit>Load menu.
> 
> Could you who feel limited by the current implementation let me know
> if one or several of these proposed implementations would be usable
> for you?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Daniel Hansson, Elektron

I've been trying to set this up all day and came across this thread.
Either implementation is fine. For now, I call a pattern with the kit
I want and a muted single kick in it in bank H. I then send MIDI to it
from Live only. Kinda sucks to give up a bunch of banks, but I think
it 'll work until something better is added.

Love the MD - it makes my live sets sound so good!


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_elektron" <daniel@...>
wrote:
>
> 
> The program change behaviour was changed to make the Machinedrum work
> seamlessly together with the Monomachine. Both sends and accepts
> program change to change pattern. If you sync up A01 on the MD to A01
> on the Mono you can have them syncronised by just changing on one unit.
> 
> Program change changing kit I can understand is quite handy in many
> cases, but we don't like it as it is "destructive", in a way program
> change normally is not. Changing the kit of a pattern makes the
> pattern sound totally different, and changes to a pattern is stored
> immediately.
> 
> So we will not change back to how it was before because of the reasons
> above. Hopefully we can find a way to allow people to do the easy kit
> change in another way though. We like to stay out of global switches
> as well we can because we want all MD's to have a general MIDI
interface. 
> 
> We have thought of several different methods of getting the job done:
> 
> 1) Program change in a specific bank changes the kit. (using the "bank
> select" MIDI command)
> 
> 2) A SYSEX or CTRL-change change the kit.
> 
> 3) A quick method of changing kit on the Machinedrum which doesnot
> involve going to the Kit>Load menu.
> 
> Could you who feel limited by the current implementation let me know
> if one or several of these proposed implementations would be usable
> for you?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Daniel Hansson, Elektron
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, niall munnelly <aleph@a...>
wrote:
> > On Fri, Jun 10, 2005 at 10:59:16PM -0700, roby wrote:
> > > hello, is there a way to change kits with MIDI program changes
in the 

> > > MD?  so far it seems to change only patterns.
> > 
> > you've stumbled on gripe numero uno.
> > 
> > email elektron support and ask them to accommodate this.  i
> > do so every couple of months.
> > 
> > {it used to work this way in os 1.12}
> > 
> > -- 
> > yours,
> > niall.
>