Elektron Musical Instruments

Hello, 
I am currently having some problems recording patterns that I have 
made on the machindrum with MIDI controller automation. Typically, 
when recording in the studio I will use my computer sequencer and 
live controller recording for automation of the machinedrum. 

However, recently, machinedrum has become a welcome bedtime companion 
and I have composed numerous loops, etc. on the drum machine itself 
with numerous MIDI controller automations during the pattern (ex. 
delays and sample bit reductions modulating on a snare over the 
course of the pattern). My problem is that when I now attempt to 
bring this information into my sequencer the pattern will record but 
without the midi controller automation leaving it rather bland and 
lifeless. So basically the sequencer receives all the events (like 
bass drum, snare drum, etc.) but does not get the controller 
information going with these events (pan changes, etc.). 

However, if i press record and modulate these controllers manually, 
as I traditionally have done, the controller data will be recorded.

Why can I record controller data manually, or with the sequencer but 
am unable to use automated pattern programs?

How can I bring these patterns complete with controller information 
into sonar as MIDI data (not only events but the controller 
information that goes with these events). 

Any knowledge on how to accomplish this would be greatly appreciated.

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "ryan" <holdenscomplex@y...> wrote:
> How can I bring these patterns complete with controller information 
> into sonar as MIDI data (not only events but the controller 
> information that goes with these events). 
> 
> Any knowledge on how to accomplish this would be greatly appreciated.

You can't. Parameter locks are only used internal and not send out
thru midi. The only way you can use these self made patterns are in
audio format. This will probably sound very restricted but give it a
try. I always record my patterns as audio tweaking some knobs, muting,
switching patterns, adding fx on the fly. After that I edit the audio,
cut out the bad pieces and add some other stuff if needed in a PC
sequencer (logic). It's a different approach to making music, but I'm
glad I did try it since it's a so much more creative way for me now.

Ronald.

Ronald,

"You can't. Parameter locks are only used internal and not send out
thru midi. The only way you can use these self made patterns are in
audio format. This will probably sound very restricted but give it a
try. I always record my patterns as audio tweaking some knobs, 
muting,
switching patterns, adding fx on the fly. After that I edit the 
audio,
cut out the bad pieces and add some other stuff if needed in a PC
sequencer (logic). It's a different approach to making music, but I'm
glad I did try it since it's a so much more creative way for me now."

Hey Ronald thanks or the info - i greatly appreciate it. I am 
somewhat disappointed as I really wish I could just send this 
controller data over for further edits, etc within songs making 
slight variations and transitions much more simple. I will certainly 
give the straight audio recording a go with my patterns created 
soley on the machine but will likely attempt to record future 
automations live via midi in the studio as that has always been my 
favorite :).

Thanks again for the assistance.

Ryan




--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Roonan" <Roonan@p...> wrote:
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "ryan" 
<holdenscomplex@y...> wrote:
> > How can I bring these patterns complete with controller 
information 
> > into sonar as MIDI data (not only events but the controller 
> > information that goes with these events). 
> > 
> > Any knowledge on how to accomplish this would be greatly 
appreciated.
> 
> You can't. Parameter locks are only used internal and not send out
> thru midi. The only way you can use these self made patterns are in
> audio format. This will probably sound very restricted but give it 
a
> try. I always record my patterns as audio tweaking some knobs, 
muting,
> switching patterns, adding fx on the fly. After that I edit the 
audio,
> cut out the bad pieces and add some other stuff if needed in a PC
> sequencer (logic). It's a different approach to making music, but 
I'm
> glad I did try it since it's a so much more creative way for me 
now.
> 
> Ronald.

> > Any knowledge on how to accomplish this would be greatly 
> > appreciated.

> You can't. Parameter locks are only used internal and not send out
> thru midi. The only way you can use these self made patterns are in
> audio format. This will probably sound very restricted but give it a
> try. I always record my patterns as audio tweaking some knobs, 
> muting, switching patterns, adding fx on the fly. After that I edit 
> the audio, cut out the bad pieces and add some other stuff if needed 
> in a PC sequencer (logic). It's a different approach to making 
> music, but I'm glad I did try it since it's a so much more creative 
> way for me now.
> 
> Ronald.

[Anthony Justman] I do the same thing as Ronald suggests.  I will multitrack
the MD outputs into the computer and usually do a 2-track to a CDR or
something.  Even from a 2-track, I can do some wild chopping in SoundForge
or (a similar program) and then create a new track with the PlayList
function.  I'll go from a 15-20 minute free form session to a 5-7 minute
finished track.

//tony
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