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Finally an Editor/Librarian - sounddiver Adaptaion for the MM?

2005-10-29 by poperzengott

Hey folks, 

first post on this forum, so hello to everyone. As a fresh owner of a Monomachine ( whos 
impressed of its sonic capabilities but likewise pissed off by probably the most stupid UI 
layout ever seen on a modern machine ), i just wanted to kindly ask if someone finally came 
up with  at least a Sounddiver adaptation for it?  I'm sick and tired of touching it, also 
because i don't use the seq anyway. 

Thanx in advance!

Re: [elektron] Finally an Editor/Librarian - sounddiver Adaptaion for the MM?

2005-10-29 by Josh Watson

im pretty sure your gonna be in the minority here, most of us love the UI
and use the sequencer, so far there are no software UIs available for this,
unless somone has been keeping their secrects to themselves.

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> Hey folks,
>
> first post on this forum, so hello to everyone. As a fresh owner of a
> Monomachine ( whos
> impressed of its sonic capabilities but likewise pissed off by probably
> the most stupid UI
> layout ever seen on a modern machine ), i just wanted to kindly ask if
> someone finally came
> up with at least a Sounddiver adaptation for it? I'm sick and tired of
> touching it, also
> because i don't use the seq anyway.
>
> Thanx in advance!
>
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Re: [elektron] Finally an Editor/Librarian - sounddiver Adaptaion for the MM?

2005-10-29 by Joseph Melnyk

On Oct 29, 2005, at 4:43 PM, poperzengott wrote:

> whos
> impressed of its sonic capabilities but likewise pissed off by  
> probably the most stupid UI
> layout ever seen on a modern machine

wow!  that's a first.  never heard of anyone not enjoying the UI on it.
I find it to be the complete opposite of you - by far the best
UI I've ever seen on a modern machine!

RE: [elektron] Finally an Editor/Librarian - sounddiver Adaptaion for the MM?

2005-10-29 by Andy Tarpinian

>On Behalf Of poperzengott

>Hey folks, 

>first post on this forum, so hello to everyone. As a fresh owner of a
>Monomachine ( whos 
>impressed of its sonic capabilities but likewise pissed off by probably the
>most stupid UI 
>layout ever seen on a modern machine ), i just wanted to kindly ask if
>someone finally came 
>up with  at least a Sounddiver adaptation for it?  I'm sick and tired of
>touching it, also 
>because i don't use the seq anyway. 

"Choke" egads man the UI and the Sequencer are the best bits of the machine!

The only thing I can think of, if you own Logic you can create an interface
in the environment, full of knobs and buttons to control it.

Re: [elektron] Finally an Editor/Librarian - sounddiver Adaptaion for the MM?

2005-10-30 by poperzengott

interesting, how diverse opinions on this matter are. maybe i'm simply too demanding, 
because of my background in high-end graphics software ( k, ain't no hardware, but that's 
where workflow/ interaction is really on top of it ). just to mention a couple of points: no 
mute buttons next to the track selectors - two handed operation necessary! would they 
have made the device much more expensive?! also, the function, global, enter, cancel and 
cursor section is located on the left of the panel...not meant to be an offense, but isn't the 
majority of us right handers? the soft dials are by far too closely arranged, and the 
pressing behaviour for parameter increment change should have been inverse for my 
taste. and the last thing is that the small display is forcing parameter names to be 
abbreviated 
beyond recognition. i personally would have paid up to 300 quid plus in order to enjoy a 
bigger one, this would have cause a flatter learning curve, disburdening the mingy remains 
of my brain. of course this criticism doesn't relate to the sequencers ui, although i don't 
use it, it seems reasonable.
now that i know that i'm probably amongst the few who don't like this facet of the mm, i 
guess there isn't much chance to get a editor for it. bad luck. but thanks for the quick 
reply, appreciate that. :)

regards from berlin, p


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "Andy Tarpinian" <evildead@n...> wrote:
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>
> >On Behalf Of poperzengott
> 
> >Hey folks, 
> 
> >first post on this forum, so hello to everyone. As a fresh owner of a
> >Monomachine ( whos 
> >impressed of its sonic capabilities but likewise pissed off by probably the
> >most stupid UI 
> >layout ever seen on a modern machine ), i just wanted to kindly ask if
> >someone finally came 
> >up with  at least a Sounddiver adaptation for it?  I'm sick and tired of
> >touching it, also 
> >because i don't use the seq anyway. 
> 
> "Choke" egads man the UI and the Sequencer are the best bits of the machine!
> 
> The only thing I can think of, if you own Logic you can create an interface
> in the environment, full of knobs and buttons to control it.
>

Re: [elektron] Finally an Editor/Librarian - sounddiver Adaptaion for the MM?

2005-10-30 by niall munnelly

On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 03:12:44AM -0000, poperzengott wrote:
> interesting, how diverse opinions on this matter are. maybe i'm simply too demanding, 
> because of my background in high-end graphics software ( k, ain't no hardware, but that's 
> where workflow/ interaction is really on top of it ). just to mention a couple of points: no 
> mute buttons next to the track selectors - two handed operation necessary! 

function + bank puts the triggers in mute mode - six
internal synths and the six midi tracks.


> would they 
> have made the device much more expensive?! also, the function, global, enter, cancel and 
> cursor section is located on the left of the panel...not meant to be an offense, but isn't the 
> majority of us right handers?

you could argue about left and righthandedness in relation
to most of the buttons on this synth, and i don't think
anyone would come up with a more satisfactory arrangement.
what do you recommend?

> the soft dials are by far too closely arranged, and the 
> pressing behaviour for parameter increment change should have been inverse for my 
> taste. 

you're not het first person to say this, but i don't think
either implementation has been made a standard.  it's an
easy thing to grok with one or two uses, anyhow - hardly a
paradigm shift.

> and the last thing is that the small display is forcing parameter names to be 
> abbreviated beyond recognition.

this also becomes easier with a little use.  come back after
a month of use, and let us know how your concerns have held
up, please.

-- 
yours,
niall.
.. .  .   .    .     .       .           .             .                 .
aleph null.                             a simple insinuation around silence.
http://syncretism.net
.. .. gpg public key - http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. ..

Re: Finally an Editor/Librarian - sounddiver Adaptaion for the MM?

2005-11-09 by monofever

I think you will get used to the UI, but I am planning on writing an environment for Logic to 
control the MM this weekend, success with the MD version last weekend. If I am successful 
perhaps you are able to import environments. The only problem would be Port/Channel 
references, which are specific to my AMT8 setup.

I would avoid sounddiver generally as I have found it very unreliable. 

BTW it took me months to learn the MM but I found it very worthwhile, when you start to 
design sound with it the workflow is very fast, but you have to learn it......

Re: [elektron] Finally an Editor/Librarian - sounddiver Adaptaion for the MM?

2005-11-18 by poperzengott

hi everybody. now, as some time has passed, i have to say that i didn't change my opinion 
on the monomachine's workflow. it's a horrifying creative brake to me. i mean, i'm a child 
of the computer age, wtf do i need a circuitous step sequencer for composing if i have two 
24" tfts giving me enough space to run a more sophisticated ui? i mean, let everybody 
work the way she/he wants, but the mm simply doesn't address this demand. i wanna 
simply use it as an expander, because of it's great sound. when i have a pattern in my 
head, i edit it, choose a synth, choose a sound by skipping through the banks till i found 
one which fits or modify it till it does. simple as that. but it's a pity this doesn't apply to 
the monomachine. if no one else shares this opinion, it's bad luck for me. but: as i need a 
souddiver adaptation or a standalone to control the bitch, i might be good luck for you. 
tell me how much money you want for creating such a piece of code, and we'll make a 
deal. if nobody is interested, i'll probably have to do it myself. anyway, i think i'm not 
touch the mm until i don't have the editor. so if you're interested, feel free to contact me 
at taubmann@... 
there's another thing to say about the hardware implementation of the monomachine. for 
the terrible dial and knobs/the overall quality/and the thumbnail display, don't tell me it 
would have been so much more expensive get it right. the rackears for  100euros are a 
joke. the proof for only 700 bucks more can be found here: www.cwejman.com. i refer to 
the s1, which i own, and which is of the highest quality of analog components. cheap 
digital circuitry for 1300 quid is simply barefaced. 

hope no one takes this as an offence, regards from berlin, clemens

--- In elektron-users@...m, niall munnelly <aleph@a...> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 03:12:44AM -0000, poperzengott wrote:
> > interesting, how diverse opinions on this matter are. maybe i'm simply too 
demanding, 
> > because of my background in high-end graphics software ( k, ain't no hardware, but 
that's 
> > where workflow/ interaction is really on top of it ). just to mention a couple of points: 
no 
> > mute buttons next to the track selectors - two handed operation necessary! 
> 
> function + bank puts the triggers in mute mode - six
> internal synths and the six midi tracks.
> 
> 
> > would they 
> > have made the device much more expensive?! also, the function, global, enter, cancel 
and 
> > cursor section is located on the left of the panel...not meant to be an offense, but isn't 
the 
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> > majority of us right handers?
> 
> you could argue about left and righthandedness in relation
> to most of the buttons on this synth, and i don't think
> anyone would come up with a more satisfactory arrangement.
> what do you recommend?
> 
> > the soft dials are by far too closely arranged, and the 
> > pressing behaviour for parameter increment change should have been inverse for my 
> > taste. 
> 
> you're not het first person to say this, but i don't think
> either implementation has been made a standard.  it's an
> easy thing to grok with one or two uses, anyhow - hardly a
> paradigm shift.
> 
> > and the last thing is that the small display is forcing parameter names to be 
> > abbreviated beyond recognition.
> 
> this also becomes easier with a little use.  come back after
> a month of use, and let us know how your concerns have held
> up, please.
> 
> -- 
> yours,
> niall.
> .. .  .   .    .     .       .           .             .                 .
> aleph null.                             a simple insinuation around silence.
> http://syncretism.net
> .. .. gpg public key - http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. ..
>

Re: [elektron] Finally an Editor/Librarian - sounddiver Adaptaion for the MM?

2005-11-18 by Joseph Melnyk

On Nov 18, 2005, at 2:13 PM, poperzengott wrote:

> there's another thing to say about the hardware implementation of  
> the monomachine. for
> the terrible dial and knobs/the overall quality/and the thumbnail  
> display, don't tell me it
> would have been so much more expensive get it right. the rackears  
> for  100euros are a
> joke. the proof for only 700 bucks more can be found here:  
> www.cwejman.com. i refer to
> the s1, which i own, and which is of the highest quality of analog  
> components. cheap
> digital circuitry for 1300 quid is simply barefaced.

well if you did a bit of research on the MnM and MD, you'd see that
their digital components are anything but cheap.  neither is that
interface that you hate so much.  sure, analog's more expensive, but  
that
doesn't mean that the MD/MnM components are cheap.

as far as your request - if I remember correctly your post a while  
back said that
you would have liked one knob per parameter - are you aware that  
there are
56 parameters per machine?  to implement this the way that you like,  
they
would have to use endless encoders and LED rings for every parameter.
this is similar to the Nord Lead 3, which has half as many LED rings
and still cost $1700 (for the rack version) when it was released.   
encoders
are different (and more expensive and complicated) than just simple
knobs like those found on the cwejman.  point is...I don't think  
you'd like the price
of the MnM any more than you do now if they built it this way.  it would
definitely be nearing the $2K mark (for the tabletop version).

anyway, if you don't like it you don't like it.  I can see how  
someone who's
used to using a computer can dislike the MnM interface for having to
page around and such.  but for me, that's what makes it great - the
higher level of physical interaction with the sound as I'm writing it.
and I think the paging/encoder interface is a great compromise
between a synth with very few controls and a synth with a million
controls.  but that's me...  you're used to your workflow and hopefully
it's working out well for you, even without the MnM :-)

Re: [elektron] Finally an Editor/Librarian - sounddiver Adaptaion for the MM?

2005-11-19 by Andy Tarpinian

On 11/18/05 2:13 PM, "poperzengott" wrote:

>i mean, 
> i'm a child 
> of the computer age, wtf do i need a circuitous step sequencer for composing
> if i have two 
> 24" tfts giving me enough space to run a more sophisticated ui?

Have you really tried it? The MnM and that s1 of yours midi'ed up with
nothing else. Sounds like pure bliss to me. Big and Sophisticated does not =
better

>i mean, let 
> everybody 
> work the way she/he wants, but the mm simply doesn't address this demand. i
> wanna 
> simply use it as an expander, because of it's great sound.

Sure a sound module for your daw, well you can do that no problem just like
any other synth. Oh no sounddiver interface! By the wrath of Posiden! How
could you make a tune without it! Sorry to jest but really you should not go
blaming the instrument, it's how you want to work and the MnM was built for
the exact opposite type of user. Buy an Access TI

> joke. the proof for only 700 bucks more can be found here: www.cwejman.com. i
> refer to 
> the s1, which i own, and which is of the highest quality of analog components.
> cheap 
> digital circuitry for 1300 quid is simply barefaced.

A S1 MKII is a $2,999.99 analog semi-modular synth, the MnM is a $1300
digital multi synth with sequencer, not comparable.

> hope no one takes this as an offence,

As I hope you do not take my comments offensive.

Re: [elektron] Finally an Editor/Librarian - sounddiver Adaptaion for the MM?

2005-11-19 by poperzengott

well, i paid exactly 2049.- quid for my s1. and ok, i know what a stepsequencer can be 
good for: for programming patterns that are so simple and insistent that you would never 
do them with the extended capabilities of a daw, as well as bringing note events together 
with controller data to obtain probably unexpected results. hey, i'm not complaining about 
the fact that there is a stepsequencer, but about that you can't use the mm comfortably 
without it.for that kinda stuff i have my notron, which does the job a lot better ( though 
not easier). and for the quality, sorry, but wonky, cheap plastic softknobs, and a case size 
nonconform to the 19" standard for 1300.- plus 100.- for rack ears? overpriced beyond 
belief. i was willing to pay the price for the great sound, believing that i was supporting a 
small company producing an innovative creative weapon, cool that. in the end, after going 
through mm docs, realizing that using it just means fiddling around with the hardware 
instead of doing fine tuned and detailed groovy stuff, i'm really disappointed. 
and well, for the virus: it gives you a much better quality and features and overall 
technology for the money, although the interface isn't very sophisticated, too. man, see, i 
don't wanna start any pointless wars here, but i'm fucking disappointed. i want it's sound, 
but preferrably without the need to touch it or look at it. i guess if no one comes up with 
an editor, i'll really have to sell it. i can't afford wasting my time caring about technical 
aspects, rather than the musical ones.

a cry for help :)




--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Andy Tarpinian <evildead@n...> wrote:
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>
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/18/05 2:13 PM, "poperzengott" wrote:
> 
> >i mean, 
> > i'm a child 
> > of the computer age, wtf do i need a circuitous step sequencer for composing
> > if i have two 
> > 24" tfts giving me enough space to run a more sophisticated ui?
> 
> Have you really tried it? The MnM and that s1 of yours midi'ed up with
> nothing else. Sounds like pure bliss to me. Big and Sophisticated does not =
> better
> 
> >i mean, let 
> > everybody 
> > work the way she/he wants, but the mm simply doesn't address this demand. i
> > wanna 
> > simply use it as an expander, because of it's great sound.
> 
> Sure a sound module for your daw, well you can do that no problem just like
> any other synth. Oh no sounddiver interface! By the wrath of Posiden! How
> could you make a tune without it! Sorry to jest but really you should not go
> blaming the instrument, it's how you want to work and the MnM was built for
> the exact opposite type of user. Buy an Access TI
> 
> > joke. the proof for only 700 bucks more can be found here: www.cwejman.com. i
> > refer to 
> > the s1, which i own, and which is of the highest quality of analog components.
> > cheap 
> > digital circuitry for 1300 quid is simply barefaced.
> 
> A S1 MKII is a $2,999.99 analog semi-modular synth, the MnM is a $1300
> digital multi synth with sequencer, not comparable.
> 
> > hope no one takes this as an offence,
> 
> As I hope you do not take my comments offensive.
>

Re: [elektron] Finally an Editor/Librarian - sounddiver Adaptaion for the MM?

2005-11-19 by Joseph Melnyk

On Nov 18, 2005, at 9:14 PM, poperzengott wrote:

> i want it's sound,
> but preferrably without the need to touch it or look at it. i guess  
> if no one comes up with
> an editor, i'll really have to sell it. i can't afford wasting my  
> time caring about technical
> aspects, rather than the musical ones.

I say sell it.  the MnM was not designed for those who never want to
touch or look at it and simply want its sound.  its an instrument,  
nothing
less.

I hate to say it and I mean no personal offense but seriously you just
sound like a lazy musician here.  you're not willing to work outside
your box even just a little bit to gain access to a sound that you
admittedly want in your arsenal.  and that, my friend, is precisely
what the MnM designers had in mind when they made it - results
that you didn't intend when you first started working with it.

I mean, there are times when I do the same as you and just sequence
it from my computer (using Live).  that's fun to do.  but I've spent  
time with
it and gave it a chance and learned the interface.  so now even when
I'm sequencing from a DAW I'd much rather edit it from its encoders
than edit a soft synth with my mouse.  there's simply no comparison.
if you believe that there is than seriously man, it's just not the  
synth for you.

sell it and hope that some day Elektron teams up with TC and
we get a Powercore MnM sound module!  :-D

Re: [elektron] Finally an Editor/Librarian - sounddiver Adaptaion for the MM?

2005-11-19 by Chris Mitchell

it's a good thing none of this information regarding the MnM's awful  
'circuitious step sequencer' was public knowledge before you bought  
the device, or otherwise i'd think you qualify as a complete moron.
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On Nov 18, 2005, at 1:13 PM, poperzengott wrote:

> hi everybody. now, as some time has passed, i have to say that i  
> didn't change my opinion
> on the monomachine's workflow. it's a horrifying creative brake to  
> me. i mean, i'm a child
> of the computer age, wtf do i need a circuitous step sequencer for  
> composing if i have two
> 24" tfts giving me enough space to run a more sophisticated ui? i  
> mean, let everybody
> work the way she/he wants, but the mm simply doesn't address this  
> demand. i wanna
> simply use it as an expander, because of it's great sound. when i  
> have a pattern in my
> head, i edit it, choose a synth, choose a sound by skipping through  
> the banks till i found
> one which fits or modify it till it does. simple as that. but it's  
> a pity this doesn't apply to
> the monomachine. if no one else shares this opinion, it's bad luck  
> for me. but: as i need a
> souddiver adaptation or a standalone to control the bitch, i might  
> be good luck for you.
> tell me how much money you want for creating such a piece of code,  
> and we'll make a
> deal. if nobody is interested, i'll probably have to do it myself.  
> anyway, i think i'm not
> touch the mm until i don't have the editor. so if you're  
> interested, feel free to contact me
> at taubmann@...
> there's another thing to say about the hardware implementation of  
> the monomachine. for
> the terrible dial and knobs/the overall quality/and the thumbnail  
> display, don't tell me it
> would have been so much more expensive get it right. the rackears  
> for  100euros are a
> joke. the proof for only 700 bucks more can be found here:  
> www.cwejman.com. i refer to
> the s1, which i own, and which is of the highest quality of analog  
> components. cheap
> digital circuitry for 1300 quid is simply barefaced.
>
> hope no one takes this as an offence, regards from berlin, clemens
>
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, niall munnelly <aleph@a...>  
> wrote:
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 30, 2005 at 03:12:44AM -0000, poperzengott wrote:
>>> interesting, how diverse opinions on this matter are. maybe i'm  
>>> simply too
> demanding,
>>> because of my background in high-end graphics software ( k, ain't  
>>> no hardware, but
> that's
>>> where workflow/ interaction is really on top of it ). just to  
>>> mention a couple of points:
> no
>>> mute buttons next to the track selectors - two handed operation  
>>> necessary!
>>
>> function + bank puts the triggers in mute mode - six
>> internal synths and the six midi tracks.
>>
>>
>>> would they
>>> have made the device much more expensive?! also, the function,  
>>> global, enter, cancel
> and
>>> cursor section is located on the left of the panel...not meant to  
>>> be an offense, but isn't
> the
>>> majority of us right handers?
>>
>> you could argue about left and righthandedness in relation
>> to most of the buttons on this synth, and i don't think
>> anyone would come up with a more satisfactory arrangement.
>> what do you recommend?
>>
>>> the soft dials are by far too closely arranged, and the
>>> pressing behaviour for parameter increment change should have  
>>> been inverse for my
>>> taste.
>>
>> you're not het first person to say this, but i don't think
>> either implementation has been made a standard.  it's an
>> easy thing to grok with one or two uses, anyhow - hardly a
>> paradigm shift.
>>
>>> and the last thing is that the small display is forcing parameter  
>>> names to be
>>> abbreviated beyond recognition.
>>
>> this also becomes easier with a little use.  come back after
>> a month of use, and let us know how your concerns have held
>> up, please.
>>
>> -- 
>> yours,
>> niall.
>> .. .  .   .    .     .       .           .             .              
>>     .
>> aleph null.                             a simple insinuation  
>> around silence.
>> http://syncretism.net
>> .. .. gpg public key - http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. ..
>>
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Re: [elektron] Finally an Editor/Librarian - sounddiver Adaptaion for the MM?

2005-11-19 by Chris Mitchell

You make many assumptions here about what a person would and would  
not do with a DAW.
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On Nov 18, 2005, at 8:14 PM, poperzengott wrote:

>  i know what a stepsequencer can be
> good for: for programming patterns that are so simple and insistent  
> that you would never
> do them with the extended capabilities of a daw,

Re: [elektron] Finally an Editor/Librarian - sounddiver Adaptaion for the MM?

2005-11-19 by poperzengott

...lazy musician :))). well, i would call it the opposite: a musician who wants to make music, 
and for that reason refueses to use gear which is obstructive in almost every workflow 
related aspect. hey, the s1 again is completely destructive, with no saving possibilities. but 
its a pleasure to work with it. would you still call me lazy, if i tell you this is my favourite 
synth? and i want to clarifiy one thing: editing sounds with the mm it is not the problem; 
although the ui is crap and the hardware is cheap, the strong and characterful sound is a 
good trade in. but imagine you were sequencing from logic, with six monophonic 
machines set up...what a hell of a pain in the ass the preset management is. sorry for 
being unprecise in my previous posts, but this is actually my main point. unbearable! it 
would be so relieving if you could at least from every type of machine skip through the 
whole preset memory based on this machine, instead of always loading content that i 
don't wanna load. i think, i'll give it another chance, and request it for the next software 
release. 

oh, for the powercore version, i'd buy it straight away. :))) 


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Joseph Melnyk <jmelnyk@c...> wrote:
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> On Nov 18, 2005, at 9:14 PM, poperzengott wrote:
> 
> > i want it's sound,
> > but preferrably without the need to touch it or look at it. i guess  
> > if no one comes up with
> > an editor, i'll really have to sell it. i can't afford wasting my  
> > time caring about technical
> > aspects, rather than the musical ones.
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> I say sell it.  the MnM was not designed for those who never want to
> touch or look at it and simply want its sound.  its an instrument,  
> nothing
> less.
> 
> I hate to say it and I mean no personal offense but seriously you just
> sound like a lazy musician here.  you're not willing to work outside
> your box even just a little bit to gain access to a sound that you
> admittedly want in your arsenal.  and that, my friend, is precisely
> what the MnM designers had in mind when they made it - results
> that you didn't intend when you first started working with it.
> 
> I mean, there are times when I do the same as you and just sequence
> it from my computer (using Live).  that's fun to do.  but I've spent  
> time with
> it and gave it a chance and learned the interface.  so now even when
> I'm sequencing from a DAW I'd much rather edit it from its encoders
> than edit a soft synth with my mouse.  there's simply no comparison.
> if you believe that there is than seriously man, it's just not the  
> synth for you.
> 
> sell it and hope that some day Elektron teams up with TC and
> we get a Powercore MnM sound module!  :-D
>

Re: [elektron] Finally an Editor/Librarian - sounddiver Adaptaion for the MM?

2005-11-19 by Joseph Melnyk

On Nov 19, 2005, at 9:19 AM, poperzengott wrote:

> ...lazy musician :))). well, i would call it the opposite: a  
> musician who wants to make music,
> and for that reason refueses to use gear which is obstructive in  
> almost every workflow
> related aspect. hey, the s1 again is completely destructive, with  
> no saving possibilities. but
> its a pleasure to work with it. would you still call me lazy, if i  
> tell you this is my favourite
> synth?

maybe "inflexible" is a better adjective :-)

anyway, I see your point about workflow and I can relate (to other  
gear).

> and i want to clarifiy one thing: editing sounds with the mm it is  
> not the problem;
> although the ui is crap and the hardware is cheap, the strong and  
> characterful sound is a
> good trade in. but imagine you were sequencing from logic, with six  
> monophonic
> machines set up...what a hell of a pain in the ass the preset  
> management is. sorry for
> being unprecise in my previous posts, but this is actually my main  
> point. unbearable! it
> would be so relieving if you could at least from every type of  
> machine skip through the
> whole preset memory based on this machine, instead of always  
> loading content that i
> don't wanna load. i think, i'll give it another chance, and request  
> it for the next software
> release.

yeah I can see how this would be annoying from your point of view.  I
never scroll through presets on the MnM tho.  it's too easy to edit  
it and
create an entirely new sound, tailored to the work at hand.  that's much
easier and more fun than scrolling through presets, in my opinion.  and
really not any more difficult than creating an entirely new sound on  
your
s1, when you think about it.

I wouldn't hold my breathe on Elektron implementing such a scrolling  
preset
feature, though.  that seems out of the realm of the MnM's focus.

> oh, for the powercore version, i'd buy it straight away. :)))

me too!  (but again, I wouldn't hold my breathe on it ever happening)

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