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Machinedrum bottom end lacking...

Machinedrum bottom end lacking...

2006-05-09 by rydan

Hello there!

I have been experimenting quite a bit with my UW, and I really love it, 
especially for creating weird percussive loops and strange sampling effects 
using the ram machines. However, I feel the kick drums are a bit lacking. I 
can't really put my finger on it, but they sound a bit thin I think. They 
may be loud and cutting through, but it seems hard to get that extra, deep, 
round oomph out of them.

So, well, my other favourite for drum sounds is Attack, s\ufffd I created a 
really mean-sounding trance style kick, added some unmild compression (UAD-1 
rocks!), and exported to a wav file. Transfered it to the machinedrum and 
Tada!, eeeh oh, no, wait, the ooomph was gone again...

Is it just me, or is anybody else experiencing this?

/Patrik

Re: [elektron] Machinedrum bottom end lacking...

2006-05-09 by Tarekith

It's 100% entirely you.  The MD thumps somethign fierce IMO, try
playing with the EQ and hi pass filter with heavy amounts of res.

On 5/9/06, rydan <rydan@...> wrote:
> Hello there!
>
> I have been experimenting quite a bit with my UW, and I really love it,
> especially for creating weird percussive loops and strange sampling effects
> using the ram machines. However, I feel the kick drums are a bit lacking. I
> can't really put my finger on it, but they sound a bit thin I think. They
> may be loud and cutting through, but it seems hard to get that extra, deep,
> round oomph out of them.
>
> So, well, my other favourite for drum sounds is Attack, så I created a
> really mean-sounding trance style kick, added some unmild compression (UAD-1
> rocks!), and exported to a wav file. Transfered it to the machinedrum and
> Tada!, eeeh oh, no, wait, the ooomph was gone again...
>
> Is it just me, or is anybody else experiencing this?
>
> /Patrik
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Re: [elektron] Machinedrum bottom end lacking...

2006-05-09 by Jesse

Different strokes for different folks i suppose,
or in this case dif thumps for different bumps? 

It all depends on what type of kick i am trying to create.....
I find creating an 808 sounding kick on the MD too be very deep and thumpy, where as other times I have a problem creating just the right oomph, either way, I cant make a blanket statement either way whether the MD has a fierce enuff kick or not. It is obviously a very flexible drum machine/sampler and I believe it is the composer which must tailor it to his or her needs as they see fit...

man i dodged that question... hopefully...
I am curious what others think as well...

-JC
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Tarekith 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] Machinedrum bottom end lacking...


  It's 100% entirely you.  The MD thumps somethign fierce IMO, try
  playing with the EQ and hi pass filter with heavy amounts of res.

  On 5/9/06, rydan <rydan@...> wrote:
  > Hello there!
  >
  > I have been experimenting quite a bit with my UW, and I really love it,
  > especially for creating weird percussive loops and strange sampling effects
  > using the ram machines. However, I feel the kick drums are a bit lacking. I
  > can't really put my finger on it, but they sound a bit thin I think. They
  > may be loud and cutting through, but it seems hard to get that extra, deep,
  > round oomph out of them.
  >
  > So, well, my other favourite for drum sounds is Attack, så I created a
  > really mean-sounding trance style kick, added some unmild compression (UAD-1
  > rocks!), and exported to a wav file. Transfered it to the machinedrum and
  > Tada!, eeeh oh, no, wait, the ooomph was gone again...
  >
  > Is it just me, or is anybody else experiencing this?
  >
  > /Patrik
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Yahoo! Groups Links
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >


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Re: [elektron] Machinedrum bottom end lacking...

2006-05-09 by Chris Stammen

Also,
it might not be your MD at all:
adding pads with 'thin' kicks, using a decent compressor, in the right 
mix, might pump the beat a bit :)
If that aint working, try to combine different kicks..with compressor..
-- uumpf you go!
-Chris


Jesse wrote:
Show quoted textHide quoted text
> Different strokes for different folks i suppose,
> or in this case dif thumps for different bumps?
>
> It all depends on what type of kick i am trying to create.....
> I find creating an 808 sounding kick on the MD too be very deep and 
> thumpy, where as other times I have a problem creating just the right 
> oomph, either way, I cant make a blanket statement either way whether 
> the MD has a fierce enuff kick or not. It is obviously a very flexible 
> drum machine/sampler and I believe it is the composer which must 
> tailor it to his or her needs as they see fit...
>
> man i dodged that question... hopefully...
> I am curious what others think as well...
>
> -JC
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Tarekith
>   To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:43 PM
>   Subject: Re: [elektron] Machinedrum bottom end lacking...
>
>
>   It's 100% entirely you.  The MD thumps somethign fierce IMO, try
>   playing with the EQ and hi pass filter with heavy amounts of res.
>
>   On 5/9/06, rydan <rydan@...> wrote:
>   > Hello there!
>   >
>   > I have been experimenting quite a bit with my UW, and I really 
> love it,
>   > especially for creating weird percussive loops and strange 
> sampling effects
>   > using the ram machines. However, I feel the kick drums are a bit 
> lacking. I
>   > can't really put my finger on it, but they sound a bit thin I 
> think. They
>   > may be loud and cutting through, but it seems hard to get that 
> extra, deep,
>   > round oomph out of them.
>   >
>   > So, well, my other favourite for drum sounds is Attack, s\ufffd I created a
>   > really mean-sounding trance style kick, added some unmild 
> compression (UAD-1
>   > rocks!), and exported to a wav file. Transfered it to the 
> machinedrum and
>   > Tada!, eeeh oh, no, wait, the ooomph was gone again...
>   >
>   > Is it just me, or is anybody else experiencing this?
>   >
>   > /Patrik
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > Yahoo! Groups Links
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>
>
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Re: [elektron] Machinedrum bottom end lacking...

2006-05-09 by synthyscott

Dynamix is the key.
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Chris Stammen 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:57 PM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] Machinedrum bottom end lacking...


  Also,
  it might not be your MD at all:
  adding pads with 'thin' kicks, using a decent compressor, in the right 
  mix, might pump the beat a bit :)
  If that aint working, try to combine different kicks..with compressor..
  -- uumpf you go!
  -Chris


  Jesse wrote:
  > Different strokes for different folks i suppose,
  > or in this case dif thumps for different bumps?
  >
  > It all depends on what type of kick i am trying to create.....
  > I find creating an 808 sounding kick on the MD too be very deep and 
  > thumpy, where as other times I have a problem creating just the right 
  > oomph, either way, I cant make a blanket statement either way whether 
  > the MD has a fierce enuff kick or not. It is obviously a very flexible 
  > drum machine/sampler and I believe it is the composer which must 
  > tailor it to his or her needs as they see fit...
  >
  > man i dodged that question... hopefully...
  > I am curious what others think as well...
  >
  > -JC
  >
  >   ----- Original Message -----
  >   From: Tarekith
  >   To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
  >   Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:43 PM
  >   Subject: Re: [elektron] Machinedrum bottom end lacking...
  >
  >
  >   It's 100% entirely you.  The MD thumps somethign fierce IMO, try
  >   playing with the EQ and hi pass filter with heavy amounts of res.
  >
  >   On 5/9/06, rydan <rydan@...> wrote:
  >   > Hello there!
  >   >
  >   > I have been experimenting quite a bit with my UW, and I really 
  > love it,
  >   > especially for creating weird percussive loops and strange 
  > sampling effects
  >   > using the ram machines. However, I feel the kick drums are a bit 
  > lacking. I
  >   > can't really put my finger on it, but they sound a bit thin I 
  > think. They
  >   > may be loud and cutting through, but it seems hard to get that 
  > extra, deep,
  >   > round oomph out of them.
  >   >
  >   > So, well, my other favourite for drum sounds is Attack, så I created a
  >   > really mean-sounding trance style kick, added some unmild 
  > compression (UAD-1
  >   > rocks!), and exported to a wav file. Transfered it to the 
  > machinedrum and
  >   > Tada!, eeeh oh, no, wait, the ooomph was gone again...
  >   >
  >   > Is it just me, or is anybody else experiencing this?
  >   >
  >   > /Patrik
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   > Yahoo! Groups Links
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >   >
  >
  >
  >   --
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  >   http://www.tarekith.com
  >
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Re: [elektron] Machinedrum bottom end lacking...

2006-05-09 by Jesse

FORTE'!
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: synthyscott 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:25 PM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] Machinedrum bottom end lacking...


  Dynamix is the key.
    ----- Original Message ----- 
    From: Chris Stammen 
    To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
    Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:57 PM
    Subject: Re: [elektron] Machinedrum bottom end lacking...


    Also,
    it might not be your MD at all:
    adding pads with 'thin' kicks, using a decent compressor, in the right 
    mix, might pump the beat a bit :)
    If that aint working, try to combine different kicks..with compressor..
    -- uumpf you go!
    -Chris


    Jesse wrote:
    > Different strokes for different folks i suppose,
    > or in this case dif thumps for different bumps?
    >
    > It all depends on what type of kick i am trying to create.....
    > I find creating an 808 sounding kick on the MD too be very deep and 
    > thumpy, where as other times I have a problem creating just the right 
    > oomph, either way, I cant make a blanket statement either way whether 
    > the MD has a fierce enuff kick or not. It is obviously a very flexible 
    > drum machine/sampler and I believe it is the composer which must 
    > tailor it to his or her needs as they see fit...
    >
    > man i dodged that question... hopefully...
    > I am curious what others think as well...
    >
    > -JC
    >
    >   ----- Original Message -----
    >   From: Tarekith
    >   To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
    >   Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:43 PM
    >   Subject: Re: [elektron] Machinedrum bottom end lacking...
    >
    >
    >   It's 100% entirely you.  The MD thumps somethign fierce IMO, try
    >   playing with the EQ and hi pass filter with heavy amounts of res.
    >
    >   On 5/9/06, rydan <rydan@...g> wrote:
    >   > Hello there!
    >   >
    >   > I have been experimenting quite a bit with my UW, and I really 
    > love it,
    >   > especially for creating weird percussive loops and strange 
    > sampling effects
    >   > using the ram machines. However, I feel the kick drums are a bit 
    > lacking. I
    >   > can't really put my finger on it, but they sound a bit thin I 
    > think. They
    >   > may be loud and cutting through, but it seems hard to get that 
    > extra, deep,
    >   > round oomph out of them.
    >   >
    >   > So, well, my other favourite for drum sounds is Attack, så I created a
    >   > really mean-sounding trance style kick, added some unmild 
    > compression (UAD-1
    >   > rocks!), and exported to a wav file. Transfered it to the 
    > machinedrum and
    >   > Tada!, eeeh oh, no, wait, the ooomph was gone again...
    >   >
    >   > Is it just me, or is anybody else experiencing this?
    >   >
    >   > /Patrik
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
    >   > Yahoo! Groups Links
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
    >   >
    >
    >
    >   --
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Re: [elektron] Machinedrum bottom end lacking...

2006-05-10 by damon

FANTISSIMO!!!!
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On May 9, 2006, at 3:54 PM, Jesse wrote:

> FORTE'!
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: synthyscott
>   To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>   Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 6:25 PM
>   Subject: Re: [elektron] Machinedrum bottom end lacking...
>
>
>   Dynamix is the key.
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: Chris Stammen
>     To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>     Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 5:57 PM
>     Subject: Re: [elektron] Machinedrum bottom end lacking...
>
>
>     Also,
>     it might not be your MD at all:
>     adding pads with 'thin' kicks, using a decent compressor, in  
> the right
>     mix, might pump the beat a bit :)
>     If that aint working, try to combine different kicks..with  
> compressor..
>     -- uumpf you go!
>     -Chris
>
>
>     Jesse wrote:
>> Different strokes for different folks i suppose,
>> or in this case dif thumps for different bumps?
>>
>> It all depends on what type of kick i am trying to create.....
>> I find creating an 808 sounding kick on the MD too be very deep and
>> thumpy, where as other times I have a problem creating just the right
>> oomph, either way, I cant make a blanket statement either way whether
>> the MD has a fierce enuff kick or not. It is obviously a very  
>> flexible
>> drum machine/sampler and I believe it is the composer which must
>> tailor it to his or her needs as they see fit...
>>
>> man i dodged that question... hopefully...
>> I am curious what others think as well...
>>
>> -JC
>>
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: Tarekith
>>   To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com
>>   Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 3:43 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [elektron] Machinedrum bottom end lacking...
>>
>>
>>   It's 100% entirely you.  The MD thumps somethign fierce IMO, try
>>   playing with the EQ and hi pass filter with heavy amounts of res.
>>
>>   On 5/9/06, rydan <rydan@...> wrote:
>>> Hello there!
>>>
>>> I have been experimenting quite a bit with my UW, and I really
>> love it,
>>> especially for creating weird percussive loops and strange
>> sampling effects
>>> using the ram machines. However, I feel the kick drums are a bit
>> lacking. I
>>> can't really put my finger on it, but they sound a bit thin I
>> think. They
>>> may be loud and cutting through, but it seems hard to get that
>> extra, deep,
>>> round oomph out of them.
>>>
>>> So, well, my other favourite for drum sounds is Attack, så I  
>>> created a
>>> really mean-sounding trance style kick, added some unmild
>> compression (UAD-1
>>> rocks!), and exported to a wav file. Transfered it to the
>> machinedrum and
>>> Tada!, eeeh oh, no, wait, the ooomph was gone again...
>>>
>>> Is it just me, or is anybody else experiencing this?
>>>
>>> /Patrik
>>>
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Re: Machinedrum bottom end lacking...

2006-05-10 by tahvenaine2002

From my experience, getting deeph oomphs is a matter of mixing sounds
together. It's easy to alone, but when you start to add different
sounds to it, overall impression loses it. The trick is to make stuff
dynamic, it got me year to understand this. So try to start with huge
headroom and then work your way through. If you want huge oommphh, you
cannot have huge everything else. It is the little sounds that make
another sounds big. 

Toni.


--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "rydan" <rydan@...> wrote:
>
> Hello there!
> 
> I have been experimenting quite a bit with my UW, and I really love it, 
> especially for creating weird percussive loops and strange sampling
effects 
> using the ram machines. However, I feel the kick drums are a bit
lacking. I 
> can't really put my finger on it, but they sound a bit thin I think.
They 
> may be loud and cutting through, but it seems hard to get that
extra, deep, 
> round oomph out of them.
> 
> So, well, my other favourite for drum sounds is Attack, så I created a 
> really mean-sounding trance style kick, added some unmild
compression (UAD-1 
> rocks!), and exported to a wav file. Transfered it to the
machinedrum and
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> Tada!, eeeh oh, no, wait, the ooomph was gone again...
> 
> Is it just me, or is anybody else experiencing this?
> 
> /Patrik
>

Re: [elektron] Re: Machinedrum bottom end lacking...

2006-05-10 by Patrik Rydberg

Yes, well, what's annoying me isn't that my bass drum sounds bad in a 
mix. What's annoying me is that the same sample of a kick, played 
straight from cubase (with no effects of course) sounds different than 
if i send it to the machinedrum using the C6 utility, and then play it 
from there.

Feel free to compare the two:

www.cutpaste.org/temp/mdtest/Sample.wav
www.cutpaste.org/temp/mdtest/MD.wav

(also, if opened in a wave editor, you can clearly see the difference)

This is a bit strange, I think...

/Patrik


tahvenaine2002 skrev:
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>  >From my experience, getting deeph oomphs is a matter of mixing sounds
> together. It's easy to alone, but when you start to add different
> sounds to it, overall impression loses it. The trick is to make stuff
> dynamic, it got me year to understand this. So try to start with huge
> headroom and then work your way through. If you want huge oommphh, you
> cannot have huge everything else. It is the little sounds that make
> another sounds big.
> 
> Toni.
> 
> 
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "rydan" <rydan@...> wrote:
>  >
>  > Hello there!
>  >
>  > I have been experimenting quite a bit with my UW, and I really love it,
>  > especially for creating weird percussive loops and strange sampling
> effects
>  > using the ram machines. However, I feel the kick drums are a bit
> lacking. I
>  > can't really put my finger on it, but they sound a bit thin I think.
> They
>  > may be loud and cutting through, but it seems hard to get that
> extra, deep,
>  > round oomph out of them.
>  >
>  > So, well, my other favourite for drum sounds is Attack, s\ufffd I created a
>  > really mean-sounding trance style kick, added some unmild
> compression (UAD-1
>  > rocks!), and exported to a wav file. Transfered it to the
> machinedrum and
>  > Tada!, eeeh oh, no, wait, the ooomph was gone again...
>  >
>  > Is it just me, or is anybody else experiencing this?
>  >
>  > /Patrik
>  >
> 
> 
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Re: [elektron] Re: Machinedrum bottom end lacking...

2006-05-10 by Ville Gustafsson

That's not strange at all, the machinedrum samples are converted to
12-bits and gritty-sounding on purpose. That's the whole point. If you
want them hi-fi, keep them in Cubase.

Ville
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On 5/10/06, Patrik Rydberg <rydan@cutpaste.org> wrote:
> Yes, well, what's annoying me isn't that my bass drum sounds bad in a
> mix. What's annoying me is that the same sample of a kick, played
> straight from cubase (with no effects of course) sounds different than
> if i send it to the machinedrum using the C6 utility, and then play it
> from there.
>
> Feel free to compare the two:
>
> www.cutpaste.org/temp/mdtest/Sample.wav
> www.cutpaste.org/temp/mdtest/MD.wav
>
> (also, if opened in a wave editor, you can clearly see the difference)
>
> This is a bit strange, I think...
>
> /Patrik
>
>
> tahvenaine2002 skrev:
> >  >From my experience, getting deeph oomphs is a matter of mixing sounds
> > together. It's easy to alone, but when you start to add different
> > sounds to it, overall impression loses it. The trick is to make stuff
> > dynamic, it got me year to understand this. So try to start with huge
> > headroom and then work your way through. If you want huge oommphh, you
> > cannot have huge everything else. It is the little sounds that make
> > another sounds big.
> >
> > Toni.
> >
> >
> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "rydan" <rydan@...> wrote:
> >  >
> >  > Hello there!
> >  >
> >  > I have been experimenting quite a bit with my UW, and I really love it,
> >  > especially for creating weird percussive loops and strange sampling
> > effects
> >  > using the ram machines. However, I feel the kick drums are a bit
> > lacking. I
> >  > can't really put my finger on it, but they sound a bit thin I think.
> > They
> >  > may be loud and cutting through, but it seems hard to get that
> > extra, deep,
> >  > round oomph out of them.
> >  >
> >  > So, well, my other favourite for drum sounds is Attack, så I created a
> >  > really mean-sounding trance style kick, added some unmild
> > compression (UAD-1
> >  > rocks!), and exported to a wav file. Transfered it to the
> > machinedrum and
> >  > Tada!, eeeh oh, no, wait, the ooomph was gone again...
> >  >
> >  > Is it just me, or is anybody else experiencing this?
> >  >
> >  > /Patrik
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Re: [elektron] Re: Machinedrum bottom end lacking...

2006-05-10 by Tarekith

They are also mono, where as the sample in Cubase might be stereo.

On 5/10/06, Ville Gustafsson <villeg@...> wrote:
> That's not strange at all, the machinedrum samples are converted to
> 12-bits and gritty-sounding on purpose. That's the whole point. If you
> want them hi-fi, keep them in Cubase.
>
> Ville
>
> On 5/10/06, Patrik Rydberg <rydan@...> wrote:
> > Yes, well, what's annoying me isn't that my bass drum sounds bad in a
> > mix. What's annoying me is that the same sample of a kick, played
> > straight from cubase (with no effects of course) sounds different than
> > if i send it to the machinedrum using the C6 utility, and then play it
> > from there.
> >
> > Feel free to compare the two:
> >
> > www.cutpaste.org/temp/mdtest/Sample.wav
> > www.cutpaste.org/temp/mdtest/MD.wav
> >
> > (also, if opened in a wave editor, you can clearly see the difference)
> >
> > This is a bit strange, I think...
> >
> > /Patrik
> >
> >
> > tahvenaine2002 skrev:
> > >  >From my experience, getting deeph oomphs is a matter of mixing sounds
> > > together. It's easy to alone, but when you start to add different
> > > sounds to it, overall impression loses it. The trick is to make stuff
> > > dynamic, it got me year to understand this. So try to start with huge
> > > headroom and then work your way through. If you want huge oommphh, you
> > > cannot have huge everything else. It is the little sounds that make
> > > another sounds big.
> > >
> > > Toni.
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "rydan" <rydan@...> wrote:
> > >  >
> > >  > Hello there!
> > >  >
> > >  > I have been experimenting quite a bit with my UW, and I really love it,
> > >  > especially for creating weird percussive loops and strange sampling
> > > effects
> > >  > using the ram machines. However, I feel the kick drums are a bit
> > > lacking. I
> > >  > can't really put my finger on it, but they sound a bit thin I think.
> > > They
> > >  > may be loud and cutting through, but it seems hard to get that
> > > extra, deep,
> > >  > round oomph out of them.
> > >  >
> > >  > So, well, my other favourite for drum sounds is Attack, så I created a
> > >  > really mean-sounding trance style kick, added some unmild
> > > compression (UAD-1
> > >  > rocks!), and exported to a wav file. Transfered it to the
> > > machinedrum and
> > >  > Tada!, eeeh oh, no, wait, the ooomph was gone again...
> > >  >
> > >  > Is it just me, or is anybody else experiencing this?
> > >  >
> > >  > /Patrik
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Re: [elektron] Re: Machinedrum bottom end lacking...

2006-05-10 by Patrik Rydberg

Well, yes, I konw they are 12bit, but that should just alter the 
amplitude of the samples, not the symmetry of the rise/fall of the 
waveform. A sine wave should still be a sine wave, although with a bit 
worse amplitude resolution I think...

I might as well mention that the reason not to keep them in cubase is 
live use...

It's not really a big problem, I just find it a bit strange...

/Patrik

Ville Gustafsson skrev:
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> That's not strange at all, the machinedrum samples are converted to
> 12-bits and gritty-sounding on purpose. That's the whole point. If you
> want them hi-fi, keep them in Cubase.
> 
> Ville
> 
> On 5/10/06, Patrik Rydberg <rydan@...> wrote:
>  > Yes, well, what's annoying me isn't that my bass drum sounds bad in a
>  > mix. What's annoying me is that the same sample of a kick, played
>  > straight from cubase (with no effects of course) sounds different than
>  > if i send it to the machinedrum using the C6 utility, and then play it
>  > from there.
>  >
>  > Feel free to compare the two:
>  >
>  > www.cutpaste.org/temp/mdtest/Sample.wav
>  > www.cutpaste.org/temp/mdtest/MD.wav
>  >
>  > (also, if opened in a wave editor, you can clearly see the difference)
>  >
>  > This is a bit strange, I think...
>  >
>  > /Patrik
>  >
>  >
>  > tahvenaine2002 skrev:
>  > >  >From my experience, getting deeph oomphs is a matter of mixing sounds
>  > > together. It's easy to alone, but when you start to add different
>  > > sounds to it, overall impression loses it. The trick is to make stuff
>  > > dynamic, it got me year to understand this. So try to start with huge
>  > > headroom and then work your way through. If you want huge oommphh, you
>  > > cannot have huge everything else. It is the little sounds that make
>  > > another sounds big.
>  > >
>  > > Toni.
>  > >
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>  > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "rydan" <rydan@...> wrote:
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Hello there!
>  > >  >
>  > >  > I have been experimenting quite a bit with my UW, and I really 
> love it,
>  > >  > especially for creating weird percussive loops and strange sampling
>  > > effects
>  > >  > using the ram machines. However, I feel the kick drums are a bit
>  > > lacking. I
>  > >  > can't really put my finger on it, but they sound a bit thin I think.
>  > > They
>  > >  > may be loud and cutting through, but it seems hard to get that
>  > > extra, deep,
>  > >  > round oomph out of them.
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> created a
>  > >  > really mean-sounding trance style kick, added some unmild
>  > > compression (UAD-1
>  > >  > rocks!), and exported to a wav file. Transfered it to the
>  > > machinedrum and
>  > >  > Tada!, eeeh oh, no, wait, the ooomph was gone again...
>  > >  >
>  > >  > Is it just me, or is anybody else experiencing this?
>  > >  >
>  > >  > /Patrik
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Re: [elektron] Re: Machinedrum bottom end lacking...

2006-05-10 by Patrik Rydberg

Well, the original sample is mono as well.

/Patrik

Tarekith skrev:
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> They are also mono, where as the sample in Cubase might be stereo.
> 
> On 5/10/06, Ville Gustafsson <villeg@...> wrote:
>  > That's not strange at all, the machinedrum samples are converted to
>  > 12-bits and gritty-sounding on purpose. That's the whole point. If you
>  > want them hi-fi, keep them in Cubase.
>  >
>  > Ville
>  >
>  > On 5/10/06, Patrik Rydberg <rydan@...> wrote:
>  > > Yes, well, what's annoying me isn't that my bass drum sounds bad in a
>  > > mix. What's annoying me is that the same sample of a kick, played
>  > > straight from cubase (with no effects of course) sounds different than
>  > > if i send it to the machinedrum using the C6 utility, and then play it
>  > > from there.
>  > >
>  > > Feel free to compare the two:
>  > >
>  > > www.cutpaste.org/temp/mdtest/Sample.wav
>  > > www.cutpaste.org/temp/mdtest/MD.wav
>  > >
>  > > (also, if opened in a wave editor, you can clearly see the difference)
>  > >
>  > > This is a bit strange, I think...
>  > >
>  > > /Patrik
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > tahvenaine2002 skrev:
>  > > >  >From my experience, getting deeph oomphs is a matter of mixing 
> sounds
>  > > > together. It's easy to alone, but when you start to add different
>  > > > sounds to it, overall impression loses it. The trick is to make stuff
>  > > > dynamic, it got me year to understand this. So try to start with huge
>  > > > headroom and then work your way through. If you want huge 
> oommphh, you
>  > > > cannot have huge everything else. It is the little sounds that make
>  > > > another sounds big.
>  > > >
>  > > > Toni.
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "rydan" <rydan@...> wrote:
>  > > >  >
>  > > >  > Hello there!
>  > > >  >
>  > > >  > I have been experimenting quite a bit with my UW, and I really 
> love it,
>  > > >  > especially for creating weird percussive loops and strange 
> sampling
>  > > > effects
>  > > >  > using the ram machines. However, I feel the kick drums are a bit
>  > > > lacking. I
>  > > >  > can't really put my finger on it, but they sound a bit thin I 
> think.
>  > > > They
>  > > >  > may be loud and cutting through, but it seems hard to get that
>  > > > extra, deep,
>  > > >  > round oomph out of them.
>  > > >  >
>  > > >  > So, well, my other favourite for drum sounds is Attack, s\ufffd I 
> created a
>  > > >  > really mean-sounding trance style kick, added some unmild
>  > > > compression (UAD-1
>  > > >  > rocks!), and exported to a wav file. Transfered it to the
>  > > > machinedrum and
>  > > >  > Tada!, eeeh oh, no, wait, the ooomph was gone again...
>  > > >  >
>  > > >  > Is it just me, or is anybody else experiencing this?
>  > > >  >
>  > > >  > /Patrik
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Re: [elektron] Re: Machinedrum bottom end lacking...

2006-05-10 by Tarekith

Different D/A's in the MD and your computer soundcard too, that can
make a big difference.

On 5/10/06, Patrik Rydberg <rydan@...> wrote:
> Well, yes, I konw they are 12bit, but that should just alter the
> amplitude of the samples, not the symmetry of the rise/fall of the
> waveform. A sine wave should still be a sine wave, although with a bit
> worse amplitude resolution I think...


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