Elektron Musical Instruments

TM-1 now included when buying a MD-UW. New t-shirts. Go find out the rest 
yourself! :-)

/Janne

gee, anyone want to buy my U/W so I can buy a new one with a TM-1!!!

-JC

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Janne G:son Berg 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2006 8:53 AM
  Subject: [elektron] Elektron website redesigned


  TM-1 now included when buying a MD-UW. New t-shirts. Go find out the rest 
  yourself! :-)

  /Janne



   

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Janne G:son Berg wrote:
> TM-1 now included when buying a MD-UW. New t-shirts. Go find out the rest 
> yourself! :-)
> 
> /Janne
> 


$49 for a friggin T-shirt???  I understand boutique instrument premiums, 
but that's a bit much for printed logo t-shirt.

Yeah, kinda funny.  The last few days I was like "Man, I wish Elektron
still had some of their MD shirts".  Then I see these and get happy.

Then I see the price and get sad.  Maybe they come with a free TM-1?  :)

On 9/30/06, Robert Krueger <rkr1@...> wrote:

>
> $49 for a friggin T-shirt???  I understand boutique instrument premiums,
> but that's a bit much for printed logo t-shirt.
>

-- 
Tarekith
http://www.tarekith.com

Available..

Ordered and confirmed.  $70 including shipping is a decent price me think.

On 10/1/06, marc davidson <psi@...> wrote:
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Tarekith
http://www.tarekith.com

Same here, if only to maintain the resale value of the UW kit.  10x  
sample transfer might mean I actually transfer some samples again :)

chrism
On Oct 1, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Tarekith wrote:

> Ordered and confirmed. $70 including shipping is a decent price me  
> think.
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On Sun, Oct 01, 2006 at 01:59:47PM +0100, marc davidson wrote:
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> Available..

Ordered.

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Yours,
Niall.
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Honestl;y, the sample transfer time doesn't bother me at all.  but if
this in anyway improves the way the MD syncs with ableton live, I'll
be happy.  It's not bad now, but I do hear a bit of drift now and
then,

On 10/1/06, Chris Mitchell <chrism@...> wrote:
> Same here, if only to maintain the resale value of the UW kit.  10x
> sample transfer might mean I actually transfer some samples again :)
>
> chrism


-- 
Tarekith
http://www.tarekith.com

Tarekith wrote:
> Honestl;y, the sample transfer time doesn't bother me at all.  but if
> this in anyway improves the way the MD syncs with ableton live, I'll
> be happy.  It's not bad now, but I do hear a bit of drift now and
> then,
> 
>

Let us know about the tighter timing.  I don't own a UW, but if it 
improves the accuracy of the midi timing like it claims,  I'll buy.

Will do.

On 10/1/06, Robert Krueger <rkr1@...> wrote:
> Tarekith wrote:
> > Honestl;y, the sample transfer time doesn't bother me at all.  but if
> > this in anyway improves the way the MD syncs with ableton live, I'll
> > be happy.  It's not bad now, but I do hear a bit of drift now and
> > then,
> >
> >
>
> Let us know about the tighter timing.  I don't own a UW, but if it
> improves the accuracy of the midi timing like it claims,  I'll buy.
>
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Tarekith
http://www.tarekith.com

> 
> Let us know about the tighter timing. I don't own a UW, but if it
> improves the accuracy of the midi timing like it claims, I'll buy.
> 

Is the timing really so bad now?  I hadn't noticed on my MD.

Tony

Tony Scharf wrote:
>> Let us know about the tighter timing. I don't own a UW, but if it
>> improves the accuracy of the midi timing like it claims, I'll buy.
>>
> 
> Is the timing really so bad now?  I hadn't noticed on my MD.
> 
> Tony


No, it's internal timing is fine,  but I was referencing Tarekith's 
statement about use of Live driving timing for all devices.

Even using Live (or SX) to drive it, it's not that bad at all.  But
sometimes I can hear it slipping just a little bit.

On 10/1/06, Robert Krueger <rkr1@...> wrote:
> Tony Scharf wrote:
> >> Let us know about the tighter timing. I don't own a UW, but if it
> >> improves the accuracy of the midi timing like it claims, I'll buy.
> >>
> >
> > Is the timing really so bad now?  I hadn't noticed on my MD.
> >
> > Tony
>
>
> No, it's internal timing is fine,  but I was referencing Tarekith's
> statement about use of Live driving timing for all devices.
>
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Tarekith
http://www.tarekith.com

ordered TM-1 today.  I am also interested in the SPS-1's timing when  
driven by live / logic.

Any news yet tarekith?

On 1 Oct 2006, at 21:58, Tarekith wrote:

> Even using Live (or SX) to drive it, it's not that bad at all. But
> sometimes I can hear it slipping just a little bit.
>
> On 10/1/06, Robert Krueger <rkr1@...> wrote:
> > Tony Scharf wrote:
> > >> Let us know about the tighter timing. I don't own a UW, but if it
> > >> improves the accuracy of the midi timing like it claims, I'll  
> buy.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Is the timing really so bad now? I hadn't noticed on my MD.
> > >
> > > Tony
> >
> >
> > No, it's internal timing is fine, but I was referencing Tarekith's
> > statement about use of Live driving timing for all devices.
> >
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> -- 
> Tarekith
> http://www.tarekith.com
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I just ordered it yesterday, I don't think it can get here that fast  :)

On 10/2/06, Martin McCready <martin_mccready@...> wrote:
> ordered TM-1 today.  I am also interested in the SPS-1's timing when
> driven by live / logic.
>
> Any news yet tarekith?
>
> On 1 Oct 2006, at 21:58, Tarekith wrote:
>
> > Even using Live (or SX) to drive it, it's not that bad at all. But
> > sometimes I can hear it slipping just a little bit.
> >
> > On 10/1/06, Robert Krueger <rkr1@...> wrote:
> > > Tony Scharf wrote:
> > > >> Let us know about the tighter timing. I don't own a UW, but if it
> > > >> improves the accuracy of the midi timing like it claims, I'll
> > buy.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > Is the timing really so bad now? I hadn't noticed on my MD.
> > > >
> > > > Tony
> > >
> > >
> > > No, it's internal timing is fine, but I was referencing Tarekith's
> > > statement about use of Live driving timing for all devices.
> > >
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I wish there was a bit more info on the Turbo thingy.  At least if it was
available in the "Friends" page only.  Even pictures of it would be great.
 I ordered one already, but still.

For example I wuold like to know more about how to connect it, if a
Mchinedrum and a Monomachine can share the same unit, or if you need one
for each, etc..


> ordered TM-1 today.  I am also interested in the SPS-1's timing when
> driven by live / logic.
>
> Any news yet tarekith?
>
> On 1 Oct 2006, at 21:58, Tarekith wrote:
>
>> Even using Live (or SX) to drive it, it's not that bad at all. But
>> sometimes I can hear it slipping just a little bit.
>>
>> On 10/1/06, Robert Krueger <rkr1@...> wrote:
>> > Tony Scharf wrote:
>> > >> Let us know about the tighter timing. I don't own a UW, but if it
>> > >> improves the accuracy of the midi timing like it claims, I'll
>> buy.
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > Is the timing really so bad now? I hadn't noticed on my MD.
>> > >
>> > > Tony
>> >
>> >
>> > No, it's internal timing is fine, but I was referencing Tarekith's
>> > statement about use of Live driving timing for all devices.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Yahoo! Groups Links
>> >
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>> --
>> Tarekith
>> http://www.tarekith.com
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/roby
//www.sweet-trip.net

roby@... wrote:
> I wish there was a bit more info on the Turbo thingy.  At least if it was
> available in the "Friends" page only.  Even pictures of it would be great.
>  I ordered one already, but still.
> 
> For example I wuold like to know more about how to connect it, if a
> Mchinedrum and a Monomachine can share the same unit, or if you need one
> for each, etc..
> 


 From what I've gathered from the announcement, you can use the TM-1 for 
both monomachine and machinedrum.... as in it will work for both 
machines with no special kind of configuration.  You just plug your MD 
or Mono into it.

I do not believe it implies you could use it simultaneously.

On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 roby@... wrote:

> Even pictures of it would be great. I ordered one already, but still.

http://c64.org/~jgb/bilder/tm-1/tm-1_1.jpg
http://c64.org/~jgb/bilder/tm-1/tm-1_2.jpg

> For example I wuold like to know more about how to connect it, if a
> Mchinedrum and a Monomachine can share the same unit, or if you need one
> for each, etc..

Out from TM-1 to your MD midi in. Midi out from your MD to TM-1 in.

Since it uses both the midi in/out on the MD/MM when connected it is not 
possible to connect it to two devices at the same time. Haven't tried it 
with midi thru and a midi merger though, but I doubt that it will work.

/Janne

ooh fascinating. how well do you all think this would work for live
applications? what i mean is would it be possible to use your computer
as a sample dump where you can drag and drop new samples into the TM/
MD quick enough for live use?

On 10/2/06, Janne G:son Berg <jgb@...> wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 roby@... wrote:
>
> > Even pictures of it would be great. I ordered one already, but still.
>
> http://c64.org/~jgb/bilder/tm-1/tm-1_1.jpg
> http://c64.org/~jgb/bilder/tm-1/tm-1_2.jpg
>
> > For example I wuold like to know more about how to connect it, if a
> > Mchinedrum and a Monomachine can share the same unit, or if you need one
> > for each, etc..
>
> Out from TM-1 to your MD midi in. Midi out from your MD to TM-1 in.
>
> Since it uses both the midi in/out on the MD/MM when connected it is not
> possible to connect it to two devices at the same time. Haven't tried it
> with midi thru and a midi merger though, but I doubt that it will work.
>
> /Janne
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>

yeah, both at once is what i meant.  i just read it has one MIDI in and
one MIDI out, only, so i guess it's one at a time.  chaining
turbo->MD->MnM probably wont work very fast at the MnM end... I wonder



> roby@... wrote:
>> I wish there was a bit more info on the Turbo thingy.  At least if it
>> was
>> available in the "Friends" page only.  Even pictures of it would be
>> great.
>>  I ordered one already, but still.
>>
>> For example I wuold like to know more about how to connect it, if a
>> Mchinedrum and a Monomachine can share the same unit, or if you need one
>> for each, etc..
>>
>
>
>  From what I've gathered from the announcement, you can use the TM-1 for
> both monomachine and machinedrum.... as in it will work for both
> machines with no special kind of configuration.  You just plug your MD
> or Mono into it.
>
> I do not believe it implies you could use it simultaneously.
>


/roby
//www.sweet-trip.net

Cool, thanks for the pix!



> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 roby@... wrote:
>
>> Even pictures of it would be great. I ordered one already, but still.
>
> http://c64.org/~jgb/bilder/tm-1/tm-1_1.jpg
> http://c64.org/~jgb/bilder/tm-1/tm-1_2.jpg
>
>> For example I wuold like to know more about how to connect it, if a
>> Mchinedrum and a Monomachine can share the same unit, or if you need one
>> for each, etc..
>
> Out from TM-1 to your MD midi in. Midi out from your MD to TM-1 in.
>
> Since it uses both the midi in/out on the MD/MM when connected it is not
> possible to connect it to two devices at the same time. Haven't tried it
> with midi thru and a midi merger though, but I doubt that it will work.
>
> /Janne
>
>


/roby
//www.sweet-trip.net

I'm hoping it will.  my idea is to load songs and patterns into both MD
and MnM quickly, etc...
> ooh fascinating. how well do you all think this would work for live
> applications? what i mean is would it be possible to use your computer
> as a sample dump where you can drag and drop new samples into the TM/
> MD quick enough for live use?
>
> On 10/2/06, Janne G:son Berg <jgb@...> wrote:
>> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 roby@... wrote:
>>
>> > Even pictures of it would be great. I ordered one already, but still.
>>
>> http://c64.org/~jgb/bilder/tm-1/tm-1_1.jpg
>> http://c64.org/~jgb/bilder/tm-1/tm-1_2.jpg
>>
>> > For example I wuold like to know more about how to connect it, if a
>> > Mchinedrum and a Monomachine can share the same unit, or if you need
>> one
>> > for each, etc..
>>
>> Out from TM-1 to your MD midi in. Midi out from your MD to TM-1 in.
>>
>> Since it uses both the midi in/out on the MD/MM when connected it is not
>> possible to connect it to two devices at the same time. Haven't tried it
>> with midi thru and a midi merger though, but I doubt that it will work.
>>
>> /Janne
>>
>>
>>
>


/roby
//www.sweet-trip.net

How do you feel about Daisy Chaining midi gear?
I have always been a little weary of it...

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: roby@... 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 4:50 PM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] turbo midi


  I'm hoping it will. my idea is to load songs and patterns into both MD
  and MnM quickly, etc...
  > ooh fascinating. how well do you all think this would work for live
  > applications? what i mean is would it be possible to use your computer
  > as a sample dump where you can drag and drop new samples into the TM/
  > MD quick enough for live use?
  >
  > On 10/2/06, Janne G:son Berg <jgb@...> wrote:
  >> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006 roby@... wrote:
  >>
  >> > Even pictures of it would be great. I ordered one already, but still.
  >>
  >> http://c64.org/~jgb/bilder/tm-1/tm-1_1.jpg
  >> http://c64.org/~jgb/bilder/tm-1/tm-1_2.jpg
  >>
  >> > For example I wuold like to know more about how to connect it, if a
  >> > Mchinedrum and a Monomachine can share the same unit, or if you need
  >> one
  >> > for each, etc..
  >>
  >> Out from TM-1 to your MD midi in. Midi out from your MD to TM-1 in.
  >>
  >> Since it uses both the midi in/out on the MD/MM when connected it is not
  >> possible to connect it to two devices at the same time. Haven't tried it
  >> with midi thru and a midi merger though, but I doubt that it will work.
  >>
  >> /Janne
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >

  /roby
  //www.sweet-trip.net



   

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This is what daniel from elektron wrote ont he Elektron forums:

"About sync improvements - with TurboMIDI x8 or x10 you do not have
any hardware limits on getting dead tight sync at least!

About syncing several machines -
If you want to sync two machines from your computer, and it is kind
enough to output reliable sync. And, if both your machines defaults to
the same speed, you could already try a trick using the through-port
to sync to the second (and third and so on). They would respond and
think they were part of the speed negotiation. Worth trying!

For the future: The protocol supports hard set speeds though, so with
upgrades of C6 and/or the MD+Mono you could hard set the MIDI speed
for all the units included in the link.

Non-turbo-devices should not be let into the MIDI link when in turbo
mode though. It would be impossible to say what they would decode from
the stream. :)

Daniel"

On 10/2/06, roby@... <roby@...> wrote:

> I'm hoping it will.  my idea is to load songs and patterns into both MD
> and MnM quickly, etc...

-- 
Tarekith
http://www.tarekith.com

Neat!  sounds like one TM is enough for both as long as both units are,
essentially, Elektron machines.



> This is what daniel from elektron wrote ont he Elektron forums:
>
> "About sync improvements - with TurboMIDI x8 or x10 you do not have
> any hardware limits on getting dead tight sync at least!
>
> About syncing several machines -
> If you want to sync two machines from your computer, and it is kind
> enough to output reliable sync. And, if both your machines defaults to
> the same speed, you could already try a trick using the through-port
> to sync to the second (and third and so on). They would respond and
> think they were part of the speed negotiation. Worth trying!
>
> For the future: The protocol supports hard set speeds though, so with
> upgrades of C6 and/or the MD+Mono you could hard set the MIDI speed
> for all the units included in the link.
>
> Non-turbo-devices should not be let into the MIDI link when in turbo
> mode though. It would be impossible to say what they would decode from
> the stream. :)
>
> Daniel"
>
> On 10/2/06, roby@... <roby@...> wrote:
>
>> I'm hoping it will.  my idea is to load songs and patterns into both MD
>> and MnM quickly, etc...
>
> --
> Tarekith
> http://www.tarekith.com
>


/roby
//www.sweet-trip.net

where can i buy that Turbo-Midi thingy ?

elektron.se

On 10/3/06, verstaerker <verstaerker@...> wrote:
> where can i buy that Turbo-Midi thingy ?
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>


-- 
Tarekith
http://www.tarekith.com

for now you need to be an elektron friend to buy it.  when you log in to
your friend account, it gives you the chance to buy one.  i'm assuming it
will be made available to the public after Oct. 8th.

> where can i buy that Turbo-Midi thingy ?
>
>


/roby
//www.sweet-trip.net

am I blind? can't see anything like that

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>   
> elektron.se
>  
>  On 10/3/06, verstaerker <verstaerker@verstaerker-music.net> wrote:
 >> where can i buy that Turbo-Midi thingy ?
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> Yahoo! Groups Links
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
>  
>  -- 
>  Tarekith
>  http://www.tarekith.com
>  
>   
>       
>       


-- 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
verstaerker
mailto:verstaerker@verstaerker-music.net

http://www.elektron.se/friend/

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: verstaerker 
  To: Tarekith 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 10:31 AM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] turbo midi


  am I blind? can't see anything like that

  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > elektron.se
  > 
  > On 10/3/06, verstaerker <verstaerker@...> wrote:
  >> where can i buy that Turbo-Midi thingy ?
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> Yahoo! Groups Links
  >>
  >>
  >>
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  > 
  > -- 
  > Tarekith
  > http://www.tarekith.com
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 

  -- 
  Mit freundlichen Grüßen
  verstaerker
  mailto:verstaerker@...



   

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verstaerker skrev:

>am I blind? can't see anything like that

you need to have a account registered before the offer appeared.

may be a time-based offer.  i've been a friend of elektron and don't see the
offer or the product either in the friend section.

On 10/3/06, michael e <offset@...> wrote:
>
>   verstaerker skrev:
>
> >am I blind? can't see anything like that
>
> you need to have a account registered before the offer appeared.
>  
>



-- 
Jeffrey Kim
Laboratory of Chemistry and Chemical Biology
Rockefeller University
1230 York Avenue
New York, NY 10021


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>you need to have a account registered before the offer appeared.

 with the friends-thing,  I mean. to clarify.

now i'm a elektron-friend and still don't see anything
>        
>    
>   
>    
>   
> may be a time-based offer.  i've been a friend of elektron and don't see the
>  offer or the product either in the friend section.
>  
>  On 10/3/06, michael e <offset@...> wrote:

 >>   verstaerker skrev:

 >> >am I blind? can't see anything like that

 >> you need to have a account registered before the offer appeared.
 >> 

>  
>  -- 
>  Jeffrey Kim
>  Laboratory of Chemistry and Chemical Biology
>  Rockefeller University
>  1230 York Avenue
>  New York, NY 10021
>  
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>  
>  
>   
>       
>       


-- 
Mit freundlichen Grüßen
verstaerker
mailto:verstaerker@...

>may be a time-based offer.  

you need to login. but you did that? I still see it when I login at the friends-section. the deal is for 100 units maxium, or to 8th October. some 20% off, or something.

They said it was only good for the first 100 units in their email.

On 10/3/06, Jeff Kim <jeffhkim@...> wrote:
> may be a time-based offer.  i've been a friend of elektron and don't see the
> offer or the product either in the friend section.
>

-- 
Tarekith
http://www.tarekith.com

i can still see the offer in my friend account...



> They said it was only good for the first 100 units in their email.
>
> On 10/3/06, Jeff Kim <jeffhkim@...> wrote:
>> may be a time-based offer.  i've been a friend of elektron and don't see
>> the
>> offer or the product either in the friend section.
>>
>
> --
> Tarekith
> http://www.tarekith.com
>


/roby
//www.sweet-trip.net

yup, i have an accout as an elektron friend.  just isn' t showing up, no
biggie. i'll wait until it's publicly released.

On 10/3/06, roby@... <roby@...> wrote:
>
>   i can still see the offer in my friend account...
>
> > They said it was only good for the first 100 units in their email.
> >
> > On 10/3/06, Jeff Kim <jeffhkim@... <jeffhkim%40gmail.com>> wrote:
> >> may be a time-based offer. i've been a friend of elektron and don't see
> >> the
> >> offer or the product either in the friend section.
> >>
> >
> > --
> > Tarekith
> > http://www.tarekith.com
> >
>
> /roby
> //www.sweet-trip.net
>
>  
>



-- 
Jeffrey Kim
Laboratory of Chemistry and Chemical Biology
Rockefeller University
1230 York Avenue
New York, NY 10021


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yes i'm logged and don't see anything - doesn't matter
>        
>    
>   
>    
>   
>>may be a time-based offer. 
>  
>  you need to login. but you did that? I still see it when I login
> at the friends-section. the deal is for 100 units maxium, or to 8th
> October. some 20% off, or something. 
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Mit freundlichen Grüßen
verstaerker
mailto:verstaerker@...

I'm sorry but i don't understand why Turbo Midi is a good thing...

It's only a USB like speed midi transfert isn't it ? Do we need to pay 60 euros
for that ? Just to speed up sample transfert ? Or worst, to fix the sync
problem we all have with MD ?

I don't understand why my MD can't sync with Live, my other gear can do that
well so the problem came from the heart of MD, not from anywhere else.

For me, Turbo Midi is just an hardware fix (we have to pay)

But maybe i'm wrong ?

Ono

Hey, Try This....works for me even if I am not logged itno my friends account...

http://www.elektron.se/order/step1.php?prod=EA_TM&pvar=TM-1

mwahahahahaa

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeff Kim 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] turbo midi


  yup, i have an accout as an elektron friend. just isn' t showing up, no
  biggie. i'll wait until it's publicly released.

  On 10/3/06, roby@... <roby@...> wrote:
  >
  > i can still see the offer in my friend account...
  >
  > > They said it was only good for the first 100 units in their email.
  > >
  > > On 10/3/06, Jeff Kim <jeffhkim@... <jeffhkim%40gmail.com>> wrote:
  > >> may be a time-based offer. i've been a friend of elektron and don't see
  > >> the
  > >> offer or the product either in the friend section.
  > >>
  > >
  > > --
  > > Tarekith
  > > http://www.tarekith.com
  > >
  >
  > /roby
  > //www.sweet-trip.net
  >
  > 
  >

  -- 
  Jeffrey Kim
  Laboratory of Chemistry and Chemical Biology
  Rockefeller University
  1230 York Avenue
  New York, NY 10021

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>Hey, Try This....works for me even if I am not logged itno my friends account...

So nice of you. (yeah, being sarcastic.)

did you try this? 
http://www.elektron.se/order/step1.php?prod=EA_TM&pvar=TM-1

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "verstaerker" <verstaerker@...>
To: "Jeff Kim" <elektron-users@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [elektron] turbo midi


now i'm a elektron-friend and still don't see anything
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>
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>
> may be a time-based offer.  i've been a friend of elektron and don't see 
> the
>  offer or the product either in the friend section.
>
>  On 10/3/06, michael e <offset@...> wrote:

 >>   verstaerker skrev:

 >> >am I blind? can't see anything like that

 >> you need to have a account registered before the offer appeared.
 >>

>
>  -- 
>  Jeffrey Kim
>  Laboratory of Chemistry and Chemical Biology
>  Rockefeller University
>  1230 York Avenue
>  New York, NY 10021
>
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onosendai@... wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm sorry but i don't understand why Turbo Midi is a good thing...
> 
> It's only a USB like speed midi transfert isn't it ? Do we need to pay 
> 60 euros
> for that ? Just to speed up sample transfert ? Or worst, to fix the sync
> problem we all have with MD ?
> 
> I don't understand why my MD can't sync with Live, my other gear can do that
> well so the problem came from the heart of MD, not from anywhere else.
> 
> For me, Turbo Midi is just an hardware fix (we have to pay)
> 
> But maybe i'm wrong ?
> 

This was exactly my question.  seems like a way to skirt the issue of a 
larger problem...

Tony

hey at least it works...

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  From: michael e 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 11:32 AM
  Subject: Re: [elektron] turbo midi


  >Hey, Try This....works for me even if I am not logged itno my friends account...

  So nice of you. (yeah, being sarcastic.)



   

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That worked fine for me.

On 10/3/06, Jesse <jesse@...> wrote:
> did you try this?
> http://www.elektron.se/order/step1.php?prod=EA_TM&pvar=TM-1
>

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Tarekith
http://www.tarekith.com

No, no, no, no, no.

Turbo MIDI enhances the ancient and slow MIDI specification so samples
may be transferred much more quickly from a computer to the UW.  As a
side effect, it also increases the resolution of the MIDI timing.  The
UW can sync to a computer just as well as any other MIDI device
without Turbo MIDI.

/Scott

On 10/3/06, Tony Scharf <tony@...> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
> onosendai@... wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > I'm sorry but i don't understand why Turbo Midi is a good thing...
>  >
>  > It's only a USB like speed midi transfert isn't it ? Do we need to pay
>  > 60 euros
>  > for that ? Just to speed up sample transfert ? Or worst, to fix the sync
>  > problem we all have with MD ?
>  >
>  > I don't understand why my MD can't sync with Live, my other gear can do
> that
>  > well so the problem came from the heart of MD, not from anywhere else.
>  >
>  > For me, Turbo Midi is just an hardware fix (we have to pay)
>  >
>  > But maybe i'm wrong ?
>  >
>
>  This was exactly my question. seems like a way to skirt the issue of a
>  larger problem...
>
>  Tony
>
>  


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Scott Kellogg

Scott Kellogg wrote:
> 
> 
> No, no, no, no, no.
> 
> Turbo MIDI enhances the ancient and slow MIDI specification so samples
> may be transferred much more quickly from a computer to the UW. As a
> side effect, it also increases the resolution of the MIDI timing. The
> UW can sync to a computer just as well as any other MIDI device
> without Turbo MIDI.
> 
> /Scott

Ok, I get it now.

I dont need it.

I havnt had any sync problems, and I dont have the UW (and no intention 
of getting it either).

Tony

Well, we use midi since more than ten years and i never heard someone complain
about slow midi specification... Think about Jarre, Tangerine Dreams and
Vangelis, how many synth they use with "simple" midi ?

By the way, the future of midi already exist : it's OSC (for OpenSoundControl).
Native Instruments use OSC (and midi) with all of their product. So i don't
understand why Elektron have to think about a new kind of format.

It's a bit weird to me :/

Ono


> No, no, no, no, no.
>
> Turbo MIDI enhances the ancient and slow MIDI specification so samples
> may be transferred much more quickly from a computer to the UW.  As a
> side effect, it also increases the resolution of the MIDI timing.  The
> UW can sync to a computer just as well as any other MIDI device
> without Turbo MIDI.
>
> /Scott
>
> On 10/3/06, Tony Scharf <tony@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > onosendai@... wrote:
> >  >
> >  >
> >  > I'm sorry but i don't understand why Turbo Midi is a good thing...
> >  >
> >  > It's only a USB like speed midi transfert isn't it ? Do we need to pay
> >  > 60 euros
> >  > for that ? Just to speed up sample transfert ? Or worst, to fix the sync
> >  > problem we all have with MD ?
> >  >
> >  > I don't understand why my MD can't sync with Live, my other gear can do
> > that
> >  > well so the problem came from the heart of MD, not from anywhere else.
> >  >
> >  > For me, Turbo Midi is just an hardware fix (we have to pay)
> >  >
> >  > But maybe i'm wrong ?
> >  >
> >
> >  This was exactly my question. seems like a way to skirt the issue of a
> >  larger problem...
> >
> >  Tony
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Scott Kellogg
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Exactly!  It's just an added feature for the UW if you want superfast sample
transfers.  I can live with the slow MIDI sample transfer times -- it gives
me time to think ;0

/Scott

On 10/3/06, Tony Scharf <tony@...> wrote:
>
>   Scott Kellogg wrote:
> >
> >
> > No, no, no, no, no.
> >
> > Turbo MIDI enhances the ancient and slow MIDI specification so samples
> > may be transferred much more quickly from a computer to the UW. As a
> > side effect, it also increases the resolution of the MIDI timing. The
> > UW can sync to a computer just as well as any other MIDI device
> > without Turbo MIDI.
> >
> > /Scott
>
> Ok, I get it now.
>
> I dont need it.
>
> I havnt had any sync problems, and I dont have the UW (and no intention
> of getting it either).
>
> Tony
>
>  
>



-- 
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It's not a new format.  It's an evolution of the MIDI specification, which
dates from 1982.

On 10/3/06, onosendai@... <onosendai@...> wrote:
>
>   Well, we use midi since more than ten years and i never heard someone
> complain
> about slow midi specification... Think about Jarre, Tangerine Dreams and
> Vangelis, how many synth they use with "simple" midi ?
>
> By the way, the future of midi already exist : it's OSC (for
> OpenSoundControl).
> Native Instruments use OSC (and midi) with all of their product. So i
> don't
> understand why Elektron have to think about a new kind of format.
>
> It's a bit weird to me :/
>
> Ono
>
> > No, no, no, no, no.
> >
> > Turbo MIDI enhances the ancient and slow MIDI specification so samples
> > may be transferred much more quickly from a computer to the UW. As a
> > side effect, it also increases the resolution of the MIDI timing. The
> > UW can sync to a computer just as well as any other MIDI device
> > without Turbo MIDI.
> >
> > /Scott
> >
> > On 10/3/06, Tony Scharf <tony@... <tony%40mtx-media.com>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > onosendai@... <onosendai%40free.fr> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry but i don't understand why Turbo Midi is a good thing...
> > > >
> > > > It's only a USB like speed midi transfert isn't it ? Do we need to
> pay
> > > > 60 euros
> > > > for that ? Just to speed up sample transfert ? Or worst, to fix the
> sync
> > > > problem we all have with MD ?
> > > >
> > > > I don't understand why my MD can't sync with Live, my other gear can
> do
> > > that
> > > > well so the problem came from the heart of MD, not from anywhere
> else.
> > > >
> > > > For me, Turbo Midi is just an hardware fix (we have to pay)
> > > >
> > > > But maybe i'm wrong ?
> > > >
> > >
> > > This was exactly my question. seems like a way to skirt the issue of a
> > > larger problem...
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Scott Kellogg
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>  
>



-- 
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well the midi specification bit may be a bit misleading? though there will
be a completely different protocol (no status bit maybe) surely any changes
to the data layer aren't going to need a new piece of hardware, it must be a
change at the physical level. Somebody mentioned something once about using
all the pins, maybe they're running their own parallel data stream over a
connection that is normally just serial or something? i dunno! I'll
definately be having a peek at the stream when mine arrives :)

On 10/3/06, onosendai@... <onosendai@...> wrote:
>
>   Well, we use midi since more than ten years and i never heard someone
> complain
> about slow midi specification... Think about Jarre, Tangerine Dreams and
> Vangelis, how many synth they use with "simple" midi ?
>
> By the way, the future of midi already exist : it's OSC (for
> OpenSoundControl).
> Native Instruments use OSC (and midi) with all of their product. So i
> don't
> understand why Elektron have to think about a new kind of format.
>
> It's a bit weird to me :/
>
> Ono
>
> > No, no, no, no, no.
> >
> > Turbo MIDI enhances the ancient and slow MIDI specification so samples
> > may be transferred much more quickly from a computer to the UW. As a
> > side effect, it also increases the resolution of the MIDI timing. The
> > UW can sync to a computer just as well as any other MIDI device
> > without Turbo MIDI.
> >
> > /Scott
> >
> > On 10/3/06, Tony Scharf <tony@... <tony%40mtx-media.com>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > onosendai@... <onosendai%40free.fr> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'm sorry but i don't understand why Turbo Midi is a good thing...
> > > >
> > > > It's only a USB like speed midi transfert isn't it ? Do we need to
> pay
> > > > 60 euros
> > > > for that ? Just to speed up sample transfert ? Or worst, to fix the
> sync
> > > > problem we all have with MD ?
> > > >
> > > > I don't understand why my MD can't sync with Live, my other gear can
> do
> > > that
> > > > well so the problem came from the heart of MD, not from anywhere
> else.
> > > >
> > > > For me, Turbo Midi is just an hardware fix (we have to pay)
> > > >
> > > > But maybe i'm wrong ?
> > > >
> > >
> > > This was exactly my question. seems like a way to skirt the issue of a
> > > larger problem...
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Scott Kellogg
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>  
>



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Good point.  I'm no technical guru when it comes to MIDI.  What you say does
correlate with my dim recollection of what has been said about Turbo MIDI.

On 10/3/06, Edward George <edwardgeorge@...> wrote:
>
>   well the midi specification bit may be a bit misleading? though there
> will
> be a completely different protocol (no status bit maybe) surely any
> changes
> to the data layer aren't going to need a new piece of hardware, it must be
> a
> change at the physical level. Somebody mentioned something once about
> using
> all the pins, maybe they're running their own parallel data stream over a
> connection that is normally just serial or something? i dunno! I'll
> definately be having a peek at the stream when mine arrives :)
>
> On 10/3/06, onosendai@... <onosendai%40free.fr> <onosendai@...<onosendai%40free.fr>>
> wrote:
> >
> > Well, we use midi since more than ten years and i never heard someone
> > complain
> > about slow midi specification... Think about Jarre, Tangerine Dreams and
> > Vangelis, how many synth they use with "simple" midi ?
> >
> > By the way, the future of midi already exist : it's OSC (for
> > OpenSoundControl).
> > Native Instruments use OSC (and midi) with all of their product. So i
> > don't
> > understand why Elektron have to think about a new kind of format.
> >
> > It's a bit weird to me :/
> >
> > Ono
> >
> > > No, no, no, no, no.
> > >
> > > Turbo MIDI enhances the ancient and slow MIDI specification so samples
> > > may be transferred much more quickly from a computer to the UW. As a
> > > side effect, it also increases the resolution of the MIDI timing. The
> > > UW can sync to a computer just as well as any other MIDI device
> > > without Turbo MIDI.
> > >
> > > /Scott
> > >
> > > On 10/3/06, Tony Scharf <tony@... <tony%40mtx-media.com><tony%40mtx-
> media.com>>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > onosendai@... <onosendai%40free.fr> <onosendai%40free.fr> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm sorry but i don't understand why Turbo Midi is a good thing...
> > > > >
> > > > > It's only a USB like speed midi transfert isn't it ? Do we need to
> > pay
> > > > > 60 euros
> > > > > for that ? Just to speed up sample transfert ? Or worst, to fix
> the
> > sync
> > > > > problem we all have with MD ?
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't understand why my MD can't sync with Live, my other gear
> can
> > do
> > > > that
> > > > > well so the problem came from the heart of MD, not from anywhere
> > else.
> > > > >
> > > > > For me, Turbo Midi is just an hardware fix (we have to pay)
> > > > >
> > > > > But maybe i'm wrong ?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > This was exactly my question. seems like a way to skirt the issue of
> a
> > > > larger problem...
> > > >
> > > > Tony
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Scott Kellogg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
>
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Which begs another question.  How will it effect timing issues?  I mean, 
if Cubase is still putting out MIDI clock at the same rate, using 
standard midi format, how is the driver for the turbo-midi device going 
to somehow improve that?

something about this just doesnt add up in my head.

Tony

Edward George wrote:

> 
> 
> well the midi specification bit may be a bit misleading? though there will
> be a completely different protocol (no status bit maybe) surely any changes
> to the data layer aren't going to need a new piece of hardware, it must be a
> change at the physical level. Somebody mentioned something once about using
> all the pins, maybe they're running their own parallel data stream over a
> connection that is normally just serial or something? i dunno! I'll
> definately be having a peek at the stream when mine arrives :)
>

My UW syncs fine with Live as well. Just need to offset the midi clock to 
-20ms to have it spot on.
Sometimes, when doing crazy stuff with midi in live, it offsets a bit and 
doesn't recover but the tempo is still ok. All it takes is to restart the 
engine. And I'm almost sure this is a problem with Live and not with the MD.

What kind of sync problems do you have? and what interface/system are you 
using?

And do you have any problems syncing the MD to other hardware gear?

Rui

This is kinda what I was wondering the more I think about it too.

On 10/3/06, Tony Scharf <tony@...> wrote:
> Which begs another question.  How will it effect timing issues?  I mean,
> if Cubase is still putting out MIDI clock at the same rate, using
> standard midi format, how is the driver for the turbo-midi device going
> to somehow improve that?
>
> something about this just doesnt add up in my head.
>

-- 
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http://www.tarekith.com

It means that you'll have a higher resolution of crap ;)

On 10/3/06, Tarekith <Tarekith@...> wrote:
>
>   This is kinda what I was wondering the more I think about it too.
>
> On 10/3/06, Tony Scharf <tony@... <tony%40mtx-media.com>> wrote:
> > Which begs another question. How will it effect timing issues? I mean,
> > if Cubase is still putting out MIDI clock at the same rate, using
> > standard midi format, how is the driver for the turbo-midi device going
> > to somehow improve that?
> >
> > something about this just doesnt add up in my head.
> >
>
> --
> Tarekith
> http://www.tarekith.com
>  
>



-- 
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well the greater the bandwidth the less likely it is that the computer will
need to send a timing byte down the wire whilst it is also sending note
data, so the less likely it is that any messages will be sent late because
they had to wait for previous messages.

i am just making this up as i go along, but the midi standard runs at 31,250
bps according to Wikipedia which means that if a note on message is being
transmitted which iirc is 3 bytes then we'll have to wait 30 bits (the midi
spec adds two extra bits per byte i think) of data before we can send the
midi clock message which is 30/31250 = 0.00096s which is almost a
millisecond.

i think that's right :S

On 10/3/06, Tony Scharf <tony@...> wrote:
>
>   Which begs another question. How will it effect timing issues? I mean,
> if Cubase is still putting out MIDI clock at the same rate, using
> standard midi format, how is the driver for the turbo-midi device going
> to somehow improve that?
>
> something about this just doesnt add up in my head.
>
> Tony
>
> Edward George wrote:
> >
> >
> > well the midi specification bit may be a bit misleading? though there
> will
> > be a completely different protocol (no status bit maybe) surely any
> changes
> > to the data layer aren't going to need a new piece of hardware, it must
> be a
> > change at the physical level. Somebody mentioned something once about
> using
> > all the pins, maybe they're running their own parallel data stream over
> a
> > connection that is normally just serial or something? i dunno! I'll
> > definately be having a peek at the stream when mine arrives :)
> >
>
>  
>



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Scott Kellogg wrote:
> 
> 
> It means that you'll have a higher resolution of crap ;)
> 

exactly..but higher resolution will NOT improve timing unless there is 
some kind of algorithm that tries to fix the incoming clock (which in my 
mind would probably just skew the clock more.

Think of it this way - if you use a sampler, and sample at 4khz, then 
you resample it at 44.1khz, your not suddenly going to have a higher 
quality sample..

Tony

I think we're wagging the dog a bit here.  Turbo MIDI's primary function is
to increase sample transfer time to the UW.  Anything beyond that is gravy.

On 10/3/06, Tony Scharf <tony@...> wrote:
>
>   Scott Kellogg wrote:
> >
> >
> > It means that you'll have a higher resolution of crap ;)
> >
>
> exactly..but higher resolution will NOT improve timing unless there is
> some kind of algorithm that tries to fix the incoming clock (which in my
> mind would probably just skew the clock more.
>
> Think of it this way - if you use a sampler, and sample at 4khz, then
> you resample it at 44.1khz, your not suddenly going to have a higher
> quality sample..
>
> Tony
>
>  
>



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ahhhhhhh! OVERLOAD OVERLOAD! ....help i got 350 messages today on  
this subject!!!!!!

351 when i send this one....

lol

rui

On 3 Oct 2006, at 18:26, Edward George wrote:

> well the greater the bandwidth the less likely it is that the  
> computer will
> need to send a timing byte down the wire whilst it is also sending  
> note
> data, so the less likely it is that any messages will be sent late  
> because
> they had to wait for previous messages.
>
> i am just making this up as i go along, but the midi standard runs  
> at 31,250
> bps according to Wikipedia which means that if a note on message is  
> being
> transmitted which iirc is 3 bytes then we'll have to wait 30 bits  
> (the midi
> spec adds two extra bits per byte i think) of data before we can  
> send the
> midi clock message which is 30/31250 = 0.00096s which is almost a
> millisecond.
>
> i think that's right :S
>
> On 10/3/06, Tony Scharf <tony@...> wrote:
>>
>>   Which begs another question. How will it effect timing issues? I  
>> mean,
>> if Cubase is still putting out MIDI clock at the same rate, using
>> standard midi format, how is the driver for the turbo-midi device  
>> going
>> to somehow improve that?
>>
>> something about this just doesnt add up in my head.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> Edward George wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> well the midi specification bit may be a bit misleading? though  
>>> there
>> will
>>> be a completely different protocol (no status bit maybe) surely any
>> changes
>>> to the data layer aren't going to need a new piece of hardware,  
>>> it must
>> be a
>>> change at the physical level. Somebody mentioned something once  
>>> about
>> using
>>> all the pins, maybe they're running their own parallel data  
>>> stream over
>> a
>>> connection that is normally just serial or something? i dunno! I'll
>>> definately be having a peek at the stream when mine arrives :)
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 08:22:22PM +0100, Martin McCready wrote:
> ordered TM-1 today.  I am also interested in the SPS-1's timing when  
> driven by live / logic.

These timing benefits sound awfully sketchy.  If you can't
get dependable sync with standard MIDI clock {and you can}, then I
don't know what expanded bandwidth will necessarily buy you.

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Niall Munnelly wrote:
> 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 02, 2006 at 08:22:22PM +0100, Martin McCready wrote:
>  > ordered TM-1 today. I am also interested in the SPS-1's timing when
>  > driven by live / logic.
> 
> These timing benefits sound awfully sketchy. If you can't
> get dependable sync with standard MIDI clock {and you can}, then I
> don't know what expanded bandwidth will necessarily buy you.
> 

Its like this...without some kind of changes in the software generating 
the code, the midi clock will be the same as it was.  Stienberg and 
(then) emagic both came out with their own proprietary interfaces to 
tackle MIDI timing problems in the late 90's, but both only worked with 
their own software specificaly because it required a low level 
interaction with the source clock..

I dont see how this timing benefit will matericalize.  It sounds like 
marketing crap to me..

for myself, I get pretty much perfect sync with cubase on my pc with a 
UM880, with the exception of how the MD handles (or rather doesnt) 
handle Song Position Pointer.   My other gear handles it...just not the MD.

Tony

eggcentric  activities


step 1 - buy two kinder eggs

step 2 - eat the chocolate - yum :-)

step 3 - discard the toy or whatever

step 4 - select the larger half eggs

step 5 - place them ( open side up ) under the back feet of the md or mm

step 6 - voila !  the machine is angled towards you at a nice level..



marc

p,s . do this at your own risk etc :-)

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

"The Consumer Product Safety Commission has informed us that even though
we were shipping from Canada
Kinder Eggs cannot be sent to the USA

Rather than face any legal problems we have decided
not to sell whole Kinder Eggs anymore.

We will sell the toys without the chocolate
but due to the small size of some of the toy parts
they are not suitable for children under the age of 3 "




> eggcentric  activities
>
>
> step 1 - buy two kinder eggs
>
> step 2 - eat the chocolate - yum :-)
>
> step 3 - discard the toy or whatever
>
> step 4 - select the larger half eggs
>
> step 5 - place them ( open side up ) under the back feet of the md or mm
>
> step 6 - voila !  the machine is angled towards you at a nice level..
>
>
>
> marc
>
> p,s . do this at your own risk etc :-)
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


/roby
//www.sweet-trip.net

On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:53:06PM +0100, marc davidson wrote:
> eggcentric  activities

Mine's a little goofier, but the principle is the same:

http://syncretism.net/img/studio-rebuilding.jpg

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If it is only used to speed up sample transfers for the UW, why does
Elektron mention using it with the monomachine?

 

Just a thought. 



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for getting tighter sync, apparently.

also if you like to use your MnM for sequencing software,
theoretically the turboMIDI provides greater bandwith....so less drop
outs etc.

I guess

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "jeff parker" <jeff@...> wrote:

>
> If it is only used to speed up sample transfers for the UW, why does
> Elektron mention using it with the monomachine?
> 
>  
> 
> Just a thought. 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

You know what's so funny about gear/studio pics?  WE ALL HAVE THE  
SAME THINGS.  :)_~

We're all the same folks, generally, lurking on the same lists.  We  
just need a unified forum with different boards per piece of gear.   
not sure what we would be called though.
On Oct 3, 2006, at 11:23 PM, Niall Munnelly wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:53:06PM +0100, marc davidson wrote:
> > eggcentric activities
>
> Mine's a little goofier, but the principle is the same:
>
> http://syncretism.net/img/studio-rebuilding.jpg
>
> -- 
> Yours,
> Niall.
> .. . . . . . . . . .
> Aleph-Null. A Simple Insinuation Around Silence.
> http://aleph-null.net
> .. .. gpg public key - http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. ..
>
> 



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

gear slutz ?

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Chris Mitchell <chrism@...> wrote:

>
> You know what's so funny about gear/studio pics?  WE ALL HAVE THE  
> SAME THINGS.  :)_~
> 
> We're all the same folks, generally, lurking on the same lists.  We  
> just need a unified forum with different boards per piece of gear.   
> not sure what we would be called though.
> On Oct 3, 2006, at 11:23 PM, Niall Munnelly wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Oct 03, 2006 at 10:53:06PM +0100, marc davidson wrote:
> > > eggcentric activities
> >
> > Mine's a little goofier, but the principle is the same:
> >
> > http://syncretism.net/img/studio-rebuilding.jpg
> >
> > -- 
> > Yours,
> > Niall.
> > .. . . . . . . . . .
> > Aleph-Null. A Simple Insinuation Around Silence.
> > http://aleph-null.net
> > .. .. gpg public key - http://www.aleph-null.net/niall.gpg .. ..
> >
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

Le 3 oct. 06 à 23:53, marc davidson a écrit :

> step 2 - eat the chocolate - yum :-)

That's the tricky part, I've never been able to eat this things with  
something close to a yum sensation. Maybe the Swiss are unsensible to  
Kinder yumminess…

Denis =G)

On Fri, Oct 06, 2006 at 12:52:49AM +0200, Don't t(h)read on my tentacles, Earthling! wrote:
> 
> Le 3 oct. 06 \ufffd 23:53, marc davidson a \ufffdcrit :
> 
> > step 2 - eat the chocolate - yum :-)
> 
> That's the tricky part, I've never been able to eat this things with  
> something close to a yum sensation. Maybe the Swiss are unsensible to  
> Kinder yumminess?

Nah, man, you're better off eating the toys, or speading the
chocolate on toast.

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On 3-Oct-06, at 7:18 PM, roby@... wrote:

> "The Consumer Product Safety Commission has informed us that even  
> though
> we were shipping from Canada
> Kinder Eggs cannot be sent to the USA
>
> Rather than face any legal problems we have decided
> not to sell whole Kinder Eggs anymore.
>
> We will sell the toys without the chocolate
> but due to the small size of some of the toy parts
> they are not suitable for children under the age of 3 "
>
>
>
>
>> eggcentric  activities
>>
>>
>> step 1 - buy two kinder eggs
>>
>> step 2 - eat the chocolate - yum :-)
>>
>> step 3 - discard the toy or whatever
>>
>> step 4 - select the larger half eggs
>>
>> step 5 - place them ( open side up ) under the back feet of the md  
>> or mm
>>
>> step 6 - voila !  the machine is angled towards you at a nice level..
>>
>>
>>
>> marc
>>
>> p,s . do this at your own risk etc :-)
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>
>
> /roby
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>
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>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
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>
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>
>

>> That's the tricky part, I've never been able to eat this things with
>> something close to a yum sensation. Maybe the Swiss are unsensible to
>> Kinder yumminess?

I suppose , to the swiss or the belgians , its like a scotsman ( like  
me )  tasting a haggis from south korea ! :-)

> Nah, man, you're better off eating the toys, or speading the
> chocolate on toast.

you've got to be choking :-)

m




>

Le 6 oct. 06 à 01:05, Niall Munnelly a écrit :

> Nah, man, you're better off eating the toys, or speading the
> chocolate on toast.

Poor toast! lol

Denis =G)

South Korean Haggis is very good...and im a glaswegian!!!

On 06/10/06, marc davidson <psi@...> wrote:
>
>   >> That's the tricky part, I've never been able to eat this things with
> >> something close to a yum sensation. Maybe the Swiss are unsensible to
> >> Kinder yumminess?
>
> I suppose , to the swiss or the belgians , its like a scotsman ( like
> me ) tasting a haggis from south korea ! :-)
>
> > Nah, man, you're better off eating the toys, or speading the
> > chocolate on toast.
>
> you've got to be choking :-)
>
> m
>
> >
>
> 
>



-- 
M


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Beware the Egg is not taking over your show, like in this case:
http://www.kinderueberraschung.de/img/bilder/big/25.jpg


Flo


Mark schrieb:

> South Korean Haggis is very good...and im a glaswegian!!!
> 
> On 06/10/06, marc davidson <psi@...> wrote:
>>   >> That's the tricky part, I've never been able to eat this things with
>>>> something close to a yum sensation. Maybe the Swiss are unsensible to
>>>> Kinder yumminess?
>> I suppose , to the swiss or the belgians , its like a scotsman ( like
>> me ) tasting a haggis from south korea ! :-)
>>
>>> Nah, man, you're better off eating the toys, or speading the
>>> chocolate on toast.
>> you've got to be choking :-)
>>
>> m
>>
>>
>>
> 
> 
>

I thought you were eggzagerating - until I saw the photo  :-)

On 6 Oct 2006, at 14:44, Flo Zombie wrote:

>
>
> Beware the Egg is not taking over your show, like in this case:
> http://www.kinderueberraschung.de/img/bilder/big/25.jpg
>
>
> Flo
>
>
> Mark schrieb:
>> South Korean Haggis is very good...and im a glaswegian!!!
>>
>> On 06/10/06, marc davidson <psi@...> wrote:
>>>>> That's the tricky part, I've never been able to eat this things  
>>>>> with
>>>>> something close to a yum sensation. Maybe the Swiss are  
>>>>> unsensible to
>>>>> Kinder yumminess?
>>> I suppose , to the swiss or the belgians , its like a scotsman  
>>> ( like
>>> me ) tasting a haggis from south korea ! :-)
>>>
>>>> Nah, man, you're better off eating the toys, or speading the
>>>> chocolate on toast.
>>> you've got to be choking :-)
>>>
>>> m
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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Le 6 oct. 06 à 15:44, Flo Zombie a écrit :

> Beware the Egg is not taking over your show, like in this case:
> http://www.kinderueberraschung.de/img/bilder/big/25.jpg

Is it the adult state of the egg after eating all these kinder?

Denis =G)

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Robert Krueger <rkr1@...> wrote:
 
> $49 for a friggin T-shirt???  I understand boutique instrument
premiums, 
> but that's a bit much for printed logo t-shirt.

We never force anyone to buy anything we do. We refuse however to do
quick cheap stuff and intend to do exclusive things, whatever it may be.

Maybe I can comfort you with the knowledge of that we have never made
any money of any of the accessories (the bag, the stickers, posters
etc) in the end. 

USD 49 for a limited designer t-shirt - _including_ world shipping
would not get in my way to get it if I liked it. Appearently neither
other people. Also consider te dollars all time (or at least 10 years)
low to the European currencies.

We love however to do unique stuff that makes a difference and put our
nose into different areas, as long as it's fun and creative. Lucky
enough we've received much praise as well for our non-standard
approach. :)

---

The Good Night Story about the little Model A t-shirt follows here:

The goal we had with Elektron Style Model A was to do a tee that
didn't smell "promotion", rather something you can wear with pride.
Still we wanted to go big with the Elektron logo.

We did much investigation before going for this one. We really like
more open necks (not the oh so hated strangler-neck), and finally
found one that could fit into a low-number-print. We wanted discrete
colors with print, but real big ones. The Model A had to be the plain
Elektron-print. But the idea of putting the same logo on the same
positions for both back and front came from my all-time favourite
adidas t-shirt.

The colors for the fabric were sampled from different of our favourite
clothing, then analysed at the coloring company. 

Also the printing were done on unbleached cotton, so we couldn't tell
exactly what the resulting color would be after the dying process
beforehand. The company we worked with though were very competent, and
we got the kind of not-so-easy-to-tell-colors that we wanted.

The print was printed before the dying was performed, making the print
a part of the t-shirt - you can't really feel it by hand. This also
got the "worn" feeling of the print that we wanted, and provided a dye
that really do not come of. Wash together with other stuff, even the
first time.

Also we chose to print in the neck rather than any more tag than the
one most necessary little one that is telling the size.

You should never look the Elektron way if you want "value for money".
We're too small and we're not located neither produce the numbers to
be able to utilise the low "world economy" prices. We want hoevever do
something special with all we do, and put our soul into it. So far
we're still here!

Another part on if our stuff being high priced or not... Always
remember that shipping is included in all our prices. The price you
see is exactly what you pay. Then we see to that you get it delivered
to your door. If we wanted we could print 39, then during the checkout
add 10 for shipping, but we've chosen the other way. WYSIWYG, old
Amiga term. :)

Now go to the mall or where you prefer to buy clothes and see if you
can't find a tee that you like that cost more than the USD 49 we ask
for ours. Then consider if it is a unique low-volume tee, designed,
printed and dyed in a western country. Check it's origin. I can bet
there are around 10k of the same made in a third world country. That
is if you do not go really expensive.

Don't really know why I'm defending our dear Model A here, but I guess
that constantly being meassured price-wise against companies using the
mass market and underpayed third-world employees tickle my defence
button, and sometimes I get the urge to tell the whole story from my
view. :)

You can see the actual number of t-shirts we have left in stock. I
have no idea if there will be any reprint. As usual - If you want it,
get it while it's here. There are still all colors and all sizes left!

Daniel


PS. If you want a standard Beefy Hanes (or similar) that screams
promotional, you could probably find a motive at elektron.se/press and
print it. You would violate our copyright but chances are good you
would get away with it.

speaking of accessories,
any news on Elektron bags?

cheers,
gav

--- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_elektron" <daniel@...>
wrote:

>
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Robert Krueger <rkr1@> wrote:
>  
> > $49 for a friggin T-shirt???  I understand boutique instrument
> premiums, 
> > but that's a bit much for printed logo t-shirt.
> 
> We never force anyone to buy anything we do. We refuse however to do
> quick cheap stuff and intend to do exclusive things, whatever it may be.
> 
> Maybe I can comfort you with the knowledge of that we have never made
> any money of any of the accessories (the bag, the stickers, posters
> etc) in the end. 
> 
> USD 49 for a limited designer t-shirt - _including_ world shipping
> would not get in my way to get it if I liked it. Appearently neither
> other people. Also consider te dollars all time (or at least 10 years)
> low to the European currencies.
> 
> We love however to do unique stuff that makes a difference and put our
> nose into different areas, as long as it's fun and creative. Lucky
> enough we've received much praise as well for our non-standard
> approach. :)
> 
> ---
> 
> The Good Night Story about the little Model A t-shirt follows here:
> 
> The goal we had with Elektron Style Model A was to do a tee that
> didn't smell "promotion", rather something you can wear with pride.
> Still we wanted to go big with the Elektron logo.
> 
> We did much investigation before going for this one. We really like
> more open necks (not the oh so hated strangler-neck), and finally
> found one that could fit into a low-number-print. We wanted discrete
> colors with print, but real big ones. The Model A had to be the plain
> Elektron-print. But the idea of putting the same logo on the same
> positions for both back and front came from my all-time favourite
> adidas t-shirt.
> 
> The colors for the fabric were sampled from different of our favourite
> clothing, then analysed at the coloring company. 
> 
> Also the printing were done on unbleached cotton, so we couldn't tell
> exactly what the resulting color would be after the dying process
> beforehand. The company we worked with though were very competent, and
> we got the kind of not-so-easy-to-tell-colors that we wanted.
> 
> The print was printed before the dying was performed, making the print
> a part of the t-shirt - you can't really feel it by hand. This also
> got the "worn" feeling of the print that we wanted, and provided a dye
> that really do not come of. Wash together with other stuff, even the
> first time.
> 
> Also we chose to print in the neck rather than any more tag than the
> one most necessary little one that is telling the size.
> 
> You should never look the Elektron way if you want "value for money".
> We're too small and we're not located neither produce the numbers to
> be able to utilise the low "world economy" prices. We want hoevever do
> something special with all we do, and put our soul into it. So far
> we're still here!
> 
> Another part on if our stuff being high priced or not... Always
> remember that shipping is included in all our prices. The price you
> see is exactly what you pay. Then we see to that you get it delivered
> to your door. If we wanted we could print 39, then during the checkout
> add 10 for shipping, but we've chosen the other way. WYSIWYG, old
> Amiga term. :)
> 
> Now go to the mall or where you prefer to buy clothes and see if you
> can't find a tee that you like that cost more than the USD 49 we ask
> for ours. Then consider if it is a unique low-volume tee, designed,
> printed and dyed in a western country. Check it's origin. I can bet
> there are around 10k of the same made in a third world country. That
> is if you do not go really expensive.
> 
> Don't really know why I'm defending our dear Model A here, but I guess
> that constantly being meassured price-wise against companies using the
> mass market and underpayed third-world employees tickle my defence
> button, and sometimes I get the urge to tell the whole story from my
> view. :)
> 
> You can see the actual number of t-shirts we have left in stock. I
> have no idea if there will be any reprint. As usual - If you want it,
> get it while it's here. There are still all colors and all sizes left!
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
> PS. If you want a standard Beefy Hanes (or similar) that screams
> promotional, you could probably find a motive at elektron.se/press and
> print it. You would violate our copyright but chances are good you
> would get away with it.
>

I seem to recall that the bags are in stock again.

/Scott


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Can I get an elektron hat, some elektron shoes and socks and some elektron boxer shorts...

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: gavb77 
  To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:09 AM
  Subject: [elektron] Re: Elektron Style! Model A


  speaking of accessories,
  any news on Elektron bags?

  cheers,
  gav

  --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, "daniel_elektron" <daniel@...>
  wrote:
  >
  > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com, Robert Krueger <rkr1@> wrote:
  > 
  > > $49 for a friggin T-shirt??? I understand boutique instrument
  > premiums, 
  > > but that's a bit much for printed logo t-shirt.
  > 
  > We never force anyone to buy anything we do. We refuse however to do
  > quick cheap stuff and intend to do exclusive things, whatever it may be.
  > 
  > Maybe I can comfort you with the knowledge of that we have never made
  > any money of any of the accessories (the bag, the stickers, posters
  > etc) in the end. 
  > 
  > USD 49 for a limited designer t-shirt - _including_ world shipping
  > would not get in my way to get it if I liked it. Appearently neither
  > other people. Also consider te dollars all time (or at least 10 years)
  > low to the European currencies.
  > 
  > We love however to do unique stuff that makes a difference and put our
  > nose into different areas, as long as it's fun and creative. Lucky
  > enough we've received much praise as well for our non-standard
  > approach. :)
  > 
  > ---
  > 
  > The Good Night Story about the little Model A t-shirt follows here:
  > 
  > The goal we had with Elektron Style Model A was to do a tee that
  > didn't smell "promotion", rather something you can wear with pride.
  > Still we wanted to go big with the Elektron logo.
  > 
  > We did much investigation before going for this one. We really like
  > more open necks (not the oh so hated strangler-neck), and finally
  > found one that could fit into a low-number-print. We wanted discrete
  > colors with print, but real big ones. The Model A had to be the plain
  > Elektron-print. But the idea of putting the same logo on the same
  > positions for both back and front came from my all-time favourite
  > adidas t-shirt.
  > 
  > The colors for the fabric were sampled from different of our favourite
  > clothing, then analysed at the coloring company. 
  > 
  > Also the printing were done on unbleached cotton, so we couldn't tell
  > exactly what the resulting color would be after the dying process
  > beforehand. The company we worked with though were very competent, and
  > we got the kind of not-so-easy-to-tell-colors that we wanted.
  > 
  > The print was printed before the dying was performed, making the print
  > a part of the t-shirt - you can't really feel it by hand. This also
  > got the "worn" feeling of the print that we wanted, and provided a dye
  > that really do not come of. Wash together with other stuff, even the
  > first time.
  > 
  > Also we chose to print in the neck rather than any more tag than the
  > one most necessary little one that is telling the size.
  > 
  > You should never look the Elektron way if you want "value for money".
  > We're too small and we're not located neither produce the numbers to
  > be able to utilise the low "world economy" prices. We want hoevever do
  > something special with all we do, and put our soul into it. So far
  > we're still here!
  > 
  > Another part on if our stuff being high priced or not... Always
  > remember that shipping is included in all our prices. The price you
  > see is exactly what you pay. Then we see to that you get it delivered
  > to your door. If we wanted we could print 39, then during the checkout
  > add 10 for shipping, but we've chosen the other way. WYSIWYG, old
  > Amiga term. :)
  > 
  > Now go to the mall or where you prefer to buy clothes and see if you
  > can't find a tee that you like that cost more than the USD 49 we ask
  > for ours. Then consider if it is a unique low-volume tee, designed,
  > printed and dyed in a western country. Check it's origin. I can bet
  > there are around 10k of the same made in a third world country. That
  > is if you do not go really expensive.
  > 
  > Don't really know why I'm defending our dear Model A here, but I guess
  > that constantly being meassured price-wise against companies using the
  > mass market and underpayed third-world employees tickle my defence
  > button, and sometimes I get the urge to tell the whole story from my
  > view. :)
  > 
  > You can see the actual number of t-shirts we have left in stock. I
  > have no idea if there will be any reprint. As usual - If you want it,
  > get it while it's here. There are still all colors and all sizes left!
  > 
  > Daniel
  > 
  > 
  > PS. If you want a standard Beefy Hanes (or similar) that screams
  > promotional, you could probably find a motive at elektron.se/press and
  > print it. You would violate our copyright but chances are good you
  > would get away with it.
  >



   

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I think the underwear would more likely be briefs, based on the Elektron
design aesthetics.

/Scott

On 10/13/06, Jesse <jesse@...> wrote:
>
>   Can I get an elektron hat, some elektron shoes and socks and some
> elektron boxer shorts...
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gavb77
> To: elektron-users@yahoogroups.com <elektron-users%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 9:09 AM
> Subject: [elektron] Re: Elektron Style! Model A
>
> speaking of accessories,
> any news on Elektron bags?
>
> cheers,
> gav
>
> --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com <elektron-users%40yahoogroups.com>,
> "daniel_elektron" <daniel@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In elektron-users@yahoogroups.com <elektron-users%40yahoogroups.com>,
> Robert Krueger <rkr1@> wrote:
> >
> > > $49 for a friggin T-shirt??? I understand boutique instrument
> > premiums,
> > > but that's a bit much for printed logo t-shirt.
> >
> > We never force anyone to buy anything we do. We refuse however to do
> > quick cheap stuff and intend to do exclusive things, whatever it may be.
> >
> > Maybe I can comfort you with the knowledge of that we have never made
> > any money of any of the accessories (the bag, the stickers, posters
> > etc) in the end.
> >
> > USD 49 for a limited designer t-shirt - _including_ world shipping
> > would not get in my way to get it if I liked it. Appearently neither
> > other people. Also consider te dollars all time (or at least 10 years)
> > low to the European currencies.
> >
> > We love however to do unique stuff that makes a difference and put our
> > nose into different areas, as long as it's fun and creative. Lucky
> > enough we've received much praise as well for our non-standard
> > approach. :)
> >
> > ---
> >
> > The Good Night Story about the little Model A t-shirt follows here:
> >
> > The goal we had with Elektron Style Model A was to do a tee that
> > didn't smell "promotion", rather something you can wear with pride.
> > Still we wanted to go big with the Elektron logo.
> >
> > We did much investigation before going for this one. We really like
> > more open necks (not the oh so hated strangler-neck), and finally
> > found one that could fit into a low-number-print. We wanted discrete
> > colors with print, but real big ones. The Model A had to be the plain
> > Elektron-print. But the idea of putting the same logo on the same
> > positions for both back and front came from my all-time favourite
> > adidas t-shirt.
> >
> > The colors for the fabric were sampled from different of our favourite
> > clothing, then analysed at the coloring company.
> >
> > Also the printing were done on unbleached cotton, so we couldn't tell
> > exactly what the resulting color would be after the dying process
> > beforehand. The company we worked with though were very competent, and
> > we got the kind of not-so-easy-to-tell-colors that we wanted.
> >
> > The print was printed before the dying was performed, making the print
> > a part of the t-shirt - you can't really feel it by hand. This also
> > got the "worn" feeling of the print that we wanted, and provided a dye
> > that really do not come of. Wash together with other stuff, even the
> > first time.
> >
> > Also we chose to print in the neck rather than any more tag than the
> > one most necessary little one that is telling the size.
> >
> > You should never look the Elektron way if you want "value for money".
> > We're too small and we're not located neither produce the numbers to
> > be able to utilise the low "world economy" prices. We want hoevever do
> > something special with all we do, and put our soul into it. So far
> > we're still here!
> >
> > Another part on if our stuff being high priced or not... Always
> > remember that shipping is included in all our prices. The price you
> > see is exactly what you pay. Then we see to that you get it delivered
> > to your door. If we wanted we could print 39, then during the checkout
> > add 10 for shipping, but we've chosen the other way. WYSIWYG, old
> > Amiga term. :)
> >
> > Now go to the mall or where you prefer to buy clothes and see if you
> > can't find a tee that you like that cost more than the USD 49 we ask
> > for ours. Then consider if it is a unique low-volume tee, designed,
> > printed and dyed in a western country. Check it's origin. I can bet
> > there are around 10k of the same made in a third world country. That
> > is if you do not go really expensive.
> >
> > Don't really know why I'm defending our dear Model A here, but I guess
> > that constantly being meassured price-wise against companies using the
> > mass market and underpayed third-world employees tickle my defence
> > button, and sometimes I get the urge to tell the whole story from my
> > view. :)
> >
> > You can see the actual number of t-shirts we have left in stock. I
> > have no idea if there will be any reprint. As usual - If you want it,
> > get it while it's here. There are still all colors and all sizes left!
> >
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> > PS. If you want a standard Beefy Hanes (or similar) that screams
> > promotional, you could probably find a motive at elektron.se/press and
> > print it. You would violate our copyright but chances are good you
> > would get away with it.
> >
>
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>
>  
>



-- 
Scott Kellogg


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They have some new bags on the site for the MD and MnM, they are $115
now instead of $90.

http://elektron.se/products/?cat=STYLE

Bottom of the page...

On 10/13/06, gavb77 <gavb77@...> wrote:
> speaking of accessories,
> any news on Elektron bags?
>
> cheers,
> gav
>


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